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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness Horseman on October 19, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
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Starting 2023 how are horses sposed to make a profit?
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Starting 2023 how are horses sposed to make a profit?
The game will change without lasix. The horses I've own needed the lasix to stay competitive. We will see which horses and dirty owners can survive without it.
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Is this nation wide or certain states will pick and choose ?
Or another Gural rule until his horses need it ?
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Is this nation wide or certain states will pick and choose ?
Or another Gural rule until his horses need it ?
It will be the effect that HISA has on harness racing completely banning race day medications watch the video on the usta site to learn more. Of course Dr petrelli thinks otherwise 75-80% of over its horses need the drug to keep bleeding under control
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Is this nation wide or certain states will pick and choose ?
Or another Gural rule until his horses need it ?
I'm assuming nationwide since it's a federal law. Video says harness racing not included at this point ,but expected to be opted in.
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Thanks
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Strange how most every horse in some stables are on lasix and why so many “need” lasix” upon becoming 4 years of age. Must be some allergy that causes them to bleed.
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Strange how most every horse in some stables are on lasix and why so many “need” lasix” upon becoming 4 years of age. Must be some allergy that causes them to bleed.
Virgil Morgan starts everyone of his 2 yr olds on Lasix if they need it or not. Most all don't.
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I always thought lasix possibly masked the presence of other drugs in the system of horses
it's getting interesting now
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Sadly though I sure hope that we don’t start to see horses dying in their own blood. Wish the was some kind of way that the state could have their vet only determine the horses that need it versus the ones that don’t. Just don’t want to see horses die in the own blood. Horrible way to die.
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Is Lasix allowed in other countries? Im sure Canada has it. Sweden? New Zealand? Australia?
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Sadly though I sure hope that we don’t start to see horses dying in their own blood. Wish the was some kind of way that the state could have their vet only determine the horses that need it versus the ones that don’t. Just don’t want to see horses die in the on blood. Horrible way to die.
Usually the horse has a hard time breathing and stops. My last horse loss its will to race even after lasix. The humane thing to do is stop racing the horse altogether and retire the horse which I did.
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Usually the horse has a hard time breathing and stops. My last horse loss its will to race even after lasix. The humane thing to do is stop racing the horse altogether and retire the horse which I did.
I agree but then there wouldn’t be enough horses left I don’t think. It’s a slippery slope damned if you do and dated if you don’t. Just wish it could regulated closely so horses that need it will benefit from it.
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Best thing that could ever happen for racing.
I know Lasix helps horses bleed less--HOWEVER--the Sport is on life support-and North American racing is known to the rest of the world--as a place where drug use is rampant. It damages integrity-and bettors-serious bettors-dont like to bet big on a Sport where drugs influence the results.
You only have to look at racing in Hong Kong and Down Under--where they treat drug use as the prime target-to strictly enforce their use.
Its incredible the lengths they go to and the money they spend to keep racing "clean".
North America--all horses basically race on drugs. Most race on Lasix--which cannot be good for the Sports reputation--and even breeding-- as sires who were bad bleeders--continue to sire that line.
Hong Kong bets more on one race than a weeks worth of racing at Monticello,Pocono,Chester and Yonkers combined.
Ive been there, toured the facility---NOTHING-except hay and feed is given to those horses. Those that need treatment are treated by the club vets and they are scrutinized like the Gestapo. Their testing is so unbelievable you have to see it to believe it.
I dont see any problems in every racing O/S Jurisdiction that do NOT race on Lasix. They manage just fine.
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No Lasix Down Under and not many horses bleed probably because they do way more miles of slow work and don't run the guts out of a horse two or three times a week. Of course it is longer distances and they focus more on stamina down there. Copy That who is one of the best bled but it was minimal, so they did not stand the horse down. Hopefully it does not happen again, or he will be banned from racing for a period.
Having said that, it is going to be really fucked if they cannot use Lasix.
I would imagine they are going to have to change the way horses are trained up here but what do I know.
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From what Ive seen o's-they treat horses differently to protect their lungs.
No Lasix--will sort the men from the boys ie drug users from real horsemen.
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No Lasix will cut down on what it mask. Be a lot less gutting and front-end drivers will suffer.
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I always thought lasix possibly masked the presence of other drugs in the system of horses
it's getting interesting now
Name one tough guy. Bet you cant
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Name one tough guy. Bet you cant
i'm curious too.. Can it mask other drugs ?
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No Lasix does NOT mask any drugs--total fabrication.
It does however lower potassium levels explained to me while oseas-and add to dehydration problems especially in hot weather. There is also some evidence it may be a cause of bone issues-because Lasix flushes out calcium-so you get bone demineralization and increased fractures. USA does seem to have more horses breaking down than anywhere else on earth.
The biggest problem by far however-is the appearance of racing horses on drugs. Cant tell you how many times I heard that while in the UK--its frowned upon everywhere except in USA-where the administration of drugs is actually advocated--you hear that from the current administration and people like Joe Faraldo and owners who employ "juice" trainers.
If it was a health issue and was absolutely necessary--i would be onboard as no one wants to see horses abused.
However thousands of horses race everyday--with no Lasix-and do just fine. Its NOT needed-and as an owner--I would have no problems racing horses without Lasix.
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Let's eliminate 75 % of the aged overnight racing and race only 2 3 and some 4 year olds and the lasix problem will be solved might as well get rid of all overnight events to be sure we don't punish any horses. Or just end the sport that will make losers like Mike happy since he can't participate no one else should be either
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Let's eliminate 75 % of the aged overnight racing and race only 2 3 and some 4 year olds and the lasix problem will be solved might as well get rid of all overnight events to be sure we don't punish any horses. Or just end the sport that will make losers like Mike happy since he can't participate no one else should be either
Since I only race steak hosses,I agree do away with the cheap stock and increase steak purses breeders will approve as well,should have done this years ago
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Since I only race steak hosses,I agree do away with the cheap stock and increase steak purses breeders will approve as well,should have done this years ago
Are steak horses akin to stake horses??.
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JOHN FRANK ARMY from the TB side.
Been around bettin for 40 years. The subject be LASIX right. My main tracks to follow were always CHICAGO tracks. I have played others but seldom. Reason for that is a indidual is a fool bettin tryin to beat all diferent tacks. I've WON money in what I call simplistic bets,you people would not bet them. PIC 6'S,place alls. Won them bettin between $12.00 and $16.00 dollars on single bet. NO others. Ya know why? I was there every day and watched every race. When you live on track you can see everythin.
(1) MAIDENS are excellent to play. Both MSW and CLAIMERS. I'll tell you WHY!.
Especially first time starters. Nothin more important than front wraps and blinks. If a chalk comes out front wrapped they stiffin him or her and then wait to second out and they off and price is higher. Blinks on in first start do not have to be announced in program. It important observin. Since most goin 6 and that improves speed. I was the one many years ago caught J.R.SMITH SR in older horses pullin blinks on and off after some races so he could SCORE big. I followed it for 4 months. I could have made a fortune. But JOHN FRANK ARMY protects bettors. So's after the last time J.R. comes upstaires and talkin with DAVE FELDMAN the famouse horse handicapper for the CHICAGO SUN-TIMES. JOHN FRANK ARMY comes up and says to DAVE,J.R. a FUCKIN cheat. Been followin his ponies and his HICH SCORE payouts. FELDMAN goes WHO THE FUC are you and don't be accussin. J'R' goes this crackbrain is full of SHIT. JOHN FRANK ARMY goes YOU NOTHIN BUT A FUCKIN cheat. I leaves. FELDMAN remembers. He head of BDH,BROKEN DOWN HORSEPLYERS defendin bettors. He watches J.R.S horses for a month and writes a long article. That BDH,JOHN FRANK was right. I've petioned the HRB that BLINKS on or OFF in older horses must be put in program. He took credit but it belonged to JFA.
OK. I lost train of thought. The subject LASIX. Lasix is necessary because ponies can bleed. Ever see many pulled up with them and jockey covered in BLOOD. I have. And they can bleed thru it. But when bettin follow the PP'S. You can read comments on a horse that not been on and looks terrible although not announced. Next time out they on and WIN. LASIX is NECESSARY.
JOHN FRANK ARMY done speakin. GOOD NIGHT.
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Again. Talking out if your ass because you have zero legitimate argument. Can't participate? ngc3
And yeah. Sorry. Lasix not only masks abuse. It is abuse. Fucking jackwagon. Learn something. Not a fucking clue. Proves you know NOTHING about a horse. Btw. Won't be long before a shitload of scumbags like you are either in prison or banned for life from the game. I am already laughing.
I would not be surprised that mike raced horses on salix as well so that makes him amongst the abusers as well but now that the game told him to go fuck himself he has become a holier than thou hater of all those who did the exact thing he did,he has seen the light and wants the sport to be disbanded by any means possible .I don't hate him for it but just pointing out the FACTS
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interesting article that came out this morning about Lasix..
https://paulickreport.com/horse-care-category/lasix-mythbusters-drug-masking-tco2-and-impact-on-racehorse-breakdowns/
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"Dap, that was a fine read. Bottom line is, most believe Lasix will give you an edge. If a horse is 20-30 pounds lighter at race time, that may be an edge.
You may not be old enough to have invented Lasix but, I know you remember what state was the last to allow same day use of Lasix. Yes, New York, 1995.
The issue was much more of a Thoroughbred issue than anything else. NYRA was feeling the pressure of West Coast horses not coming for NY Stake races. I don't recall any harness racing effected on a large scale for lack of Lasix. Do you?
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interesting article that came out this morning about Lasix..
https://paulickreport.com/horse-care-category/lasix-mythbusters-drug-masking-tco2-and-impact-on-racehorse-breakdowns/
Great article-thanks for posting!.
As was pointed out in the article-Lasix does its job by eliminating fluid and making the horse lighter. Most horses pee out about 15 -20 pounds of fluid--that helps make them a little faster. Ive read also that it reduces lung pressure-which wasn't mentioned--and this is what helps horses bleed less. However-all horses bleed--Lasix just helps them(some) bleed a little less. This is the benefit of Lasix. HOWEVER-it does mean the horses race on drugs--and while the horse racing fraternity may think this is all normal--the purists and crowds like animal rights activists who are becoming more and more powerful use this as a weapon to argue for the elimination of racing. Casinos and Politicians(most) also can use this as a weapon to cut down or eliminate racing.Ie they weaponize the use of Lasix to get what they want.
Here is some news--recent studies have shown that using Lasix even at 24 hours--helps with bleeding. Europeans use it 3 days out while training and it helps. The Lasix has long been eliminated but it still has an effect-so one could argue that no horses raced on "drugs" and it can be taken off the program.