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Title: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: LUCPARK on March 23, 2022, 08:02:08 PM
When cash was short. And the paddock boys needed a few dollars

Who was the best. 

Opinions only of course

Best setup guys in the business

And before the crybabies come out

Harness racing ain’t clean
The indictments prove that

Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Kole Hanover on March 23, 2022, 08:27:52 PM



 Stutzman was always good when needing bail money
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Superfecta on March 23, 2022, 08:34:58 PM
Walter Case would stiff a 2/5 and take the $1000 envelope to get his fix. 💉
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: slivercharm on March 23, 2022, 09:09:25 PM
Duncan price RIP
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Mr. Vegas on March 24, 2022, 12:18:11 AM
Ranger, Pavia, Wallis, and Hennesey  when they abused the bettors at Pompano. They literally fixed hundreds of races!
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: hasbeen on March 24, 2022, 05:34:14 AM
huge underrated pair was Tony Mo + Doc Holliday. they got a bunch of cold #s home at Maywood when Kenny was here.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 06:26:57 AM
GERRY SARAMA AND REJEAN DAIGNEAULT
TED WING AND BILLY O
BUDDY GILMOUR AND COCO CORMIER
CARMINE AND THE MIGHTY MITE
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 06:51:32 AM
ROSS WOLFENDEN AND PAUL JESSOP
COLIN JOHNSON AND DENIS ST PIERRE
RALPH ANDERSEN AND GEORGE MERTON
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 07:02:25 AM
JP MOREL GILLES FILION AND BERT BELANGER
WALTER CASE AND JOE GUARINO
MARK BECKWITH AND RICHIE SILVERMAN (FOR OBVIOUS REASONS)
DON BROMLEY AND JIMMY RICHARDS
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 07:09:18 AM
SAUL WEINTRAUB AND CLAUDE BOURGEOIS
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 07:21:32 AM
KIM CRAWFORD AND THE MATTISONS
DAN CAPPELLO AND THE LATE JOHN BRENNAN
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 08:32:41 AM
JACKIE MO AND JOE SCHWIND
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: The Exporter on March 24, 2022, 08:45:05 AM
Walter Case would stiff a 2/5 and take the $1000 envelope to get his fix. 💉

Every night at Northfield.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Third Over on March 24, 2022, 09:17:07 AM
The French Connection of Gilles Gendron, Mario Baillgeron & Rheo Fillion at Freestate Raceway Md.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: remington on March 24, 2022, 09:46:51 AM
Too many to mention. That is how they got to Yonkers, Roosevelt, Freehold, Monticello, purses weren't high 5% after you pay taxes on it isn't a lot of money
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Jazzman on March 24, 2022, 01:15:03 PM
herve was the best
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: MR.DALRAE on March 24, 2022, 02:48:15 PM
herve was the best

And he died broke
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Brkn Headpole on March 24, 2022, 04:01:49 PM
Dube, LaChance, Ouellette
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: LUCPARK on March 24, 2022, 04:25:10 PM
And he died broke

What happened to all the memorabilia  ngc3
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Frank the Zipper on March 24, 2022, 05:01:10 PM
The French-Canadiens invented the word "Ciiques" & they were the best at it.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: remington on March 24, 2022, 06:07:13 PM
Norman and Carmine were the best during their time.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 24, 2022, 08:41:41 PM
Norman and Carmine were the best during their time.

HOW ABOUT NORMAN'S PROTEGE' RENE POULIN "WE GO FOR THE DOUGH"
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: remington on March 25, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
He was good but did he hold on to any money
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Superfecta on March 25, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
Norman and Carmine were the best during their time.

Lucien Fontaine was Carmine's buddy. He was outstanding as well. He looked like he was playing a fiddle with his whip.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Emperor Dapple on March 26, 2022, 08:59:35 AM
Lucien Fontaine was Carmine's buddy. He was outstanding as well. He looked like he was playing a fiddle with his whip.

It’s so funny how you remember Lucien using his whip like a fiddle, I always wanted to emulate that when I got my license but never had the balls to try .. 😂
Lucien was the man , although my family claimed our first horse off of him , not because we thought we could improve over Lucien but because his second trainer who was grooming the horse was so bad..we ended up
winning two in a row at Yonkers with him and Lucien claimed him back..But ur right , his fiddling style of the whip was pretty cool..
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Vince Treanor on March 26, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Nick and Danny Wilsey
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 26, 2022, 12:23:21 PM
Nick and Danny Wilsey

CHEDURAKA
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: The Exporter on March 26, 2022, 03:38:16 PM
It’s so funny how you remember Lucien using his whip like a fiddle, I always wanted to emulate that when I got my license but never had the balls to try .. 😂
Lucien was the man , although my family claimed our first horse off of him , not because we thought we could improve over Lucien but because his second trainer who was grooming the horse was so bad..we ended up
winning two in a row at Yonkers with him and Lucien claimed him back..But ur right , his fiddling style of the whip was pretty cool..
tmbz1  11.wp ngc3
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: MR.DALRAE on March 27, 2022, 12:32:10 AM
What happened to all the memorabilia  ngc3

Waiting for the trial,,,,,coved caused delay
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: mbniles on March 29, 2022, 04:38:32 PM
How about Art Bier, Patsy Rapone and Rick Plano at Northfield in the mid70s
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on March 29, 2022, 06:25:21 PM
SARATOGA
LEO BOBBALOU MULTARI SIGNORE
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: comeonman on March 29, 2022, 06:42:49 PM
jk and cat
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: TW on April 13, 2022, 03:52:48 PM
Seldon & Eric Ledford
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on April 14, 2022, 08:21:31 PM
SARATOGA
PUGGIE, BARRY SEGEL
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: weddingcrashir on April 16, 2022, 08:05:09 PM
Just know that in  The 80s and 90s the only tracks that vegas wouldn’t take were Michigan tracks…book it!!!
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Frank the Zipper on April 16, 2022, 08:11:25 PM
Just know that in  The 80s and 90s the only tracks that vegas wouldn’t take were Michigan tracks…book it!!!
Sports Creek in the 90's was like an ATM on steroids. We took a lot of $$$ out of there.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Emperor Dapple on April 16, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
Back in the day Barry Franklin & Sonny Patterson were a great combo
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Frank Deglomine on April 17, 2022, 12:42:34 AM
Dave Magee & Paisley fixed a lot of races.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: battleground on April 21, 2022, 05:59:43 PM
how bout conley and williams?
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on April 21, 2022, 07:38:25 PM
SARATOGA
JOE DANOSKY JOHN SCHWED PATRICIA LEADLEY
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on April 21, 2022, 07:41:09 PM
Back in the day Barry Franklin & Sonny Patterson were a great combo

TRUE AND HOW ABOUT MIKE LACHANCE AND VINCENT AURIGEMMA
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Mr Wing Wong on April 21, 2022, 08:53:34 PM
Dave Magee was a crook and now he is a a judge in Indiana.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Superfecta on April 21, 2022, 10:45:57 PM
Carmine Abbatiello and Buddy Regan
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: dukeman on April 21, 2022, 11:33:52 PM
NEW ENGLAND
BOB TISBERT ALICE SZPILA
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Emperor Dapple on April 22, 2022, 06:59:29 AM
Carmine Abbatiello and Buddy Regan

They were a dominant force for sure.
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: The Exporter on April 22, 2022, 07:24:27 AM
Larry Rolla and...?
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Emperor Dapple on April 22, 2022, 07:49:45 AM
Larry Rolla and...?

Larry had a charming way about him that probably convinced many drivers to go dead on occasion. 😂
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Superfecta on April 22, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
Larry had a charming way about him that probably convinced many drivers to go dead on occasion. 😂

Is that in his book ? I didn't read it.  ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: Emperor Dapple on April 22, 2022, 10:29:07 AM
Is that in his book ? I didn't read it.  ngc3 ngc3

Well I read it.. I don’t believe he said that about himself.. Ronnie Gurfein probably felt that way about him.. In Jewish we would have called Larry a mensche… you couldn’t help but like him he was/is a nice guy.. but he was a gambler .. he just may have been a little more obvious about it than others.. 😂
His brother Peter was a real nice guy.. Is he still around?
Title: Re: Best cliques in harness past and present
Post by: toothman on April 22, 2022, 12:19:04 PM
I spent a summer running bets for a gambler at Monti and had the chance to spend saturday nights at Club Escoffier, I belive it was called..
Leon Greenberg brought Larry upstairs to his table after Larry's horse ran 4th and gapped the top 3 by double digit lengths- in those days there were only 3 trifectas on the card.
"Its bad enough you gap the field in a trifecta race, but on a Saturday night, Larry?"
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