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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: old guy on January 23, 2021, 10:04:20 AM
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There were only two wins by US born drivers last night. It seems that way most nights.
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That and 30% of the better fields imports from down under. Often 50% at Yonkers. Also, a large % of European owned trotters, trained by European trainers. Not a plan for success for the US harness industry.
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They are also hungrier! US drivers have made alot of coin last 5 years and several getting up there in years. These cold winter nights don't look as appealing as they once did. That being said these guys coming over have exceptional hands and seem to work out a trip. Having their choice doesn't hurt much either.
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Going to sleep last night I found myself wondering if the Australian drivers are just that much better than the north americans? Three are going great - the two McCarthy's and dunn. Maybe, but sometimes this has to do with the fire power there getting. Several Australian barns are firing - cassar, harrison, norman.
I think the Australian drivers are right there if not better all in all. Would help the north americans if tetrick and Sears were there. Though Sears sometimes doesn't seem to attain his old lofty levels when the purses are lower.
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Mark MacDonald 0 / 46 misses gassed up Casey Coleman days
Jason Bartlet 0 / 25 misses Banca
Simon Allard 2 / 49 misses Rene
Marcus Miller 2 / 27 misses daddy’s EPO days
Joe Bongiorno 3 / 49 misses his EPO and Shock machine
Non talented drivers.
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Erik Abatielo and Steve Smith shouldn’t even be allowed to drive.
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Mark MacDonald 0 / 46 misses gassed up Casey Coleman days
Jason Bartlet 0 / 25 misses Banca
Simon Allard 2 / 49 misses Rene
Marcus Miller 2 / 27 misses daddy’s EPO days
Joe Bongiorno 3 / 49 misses his EPO and Shock machine
Non talented drivers.
Why so much hate for others?
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Gingras read this thread and pissed off! ngc3
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Gingras read this thread and pissed off! ngc3
It is widely known he can't read.
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i don't see how statistics and facts are hate
i would think if you are wagering you should pay attention to those numbers
would be a stretch to think those numbers are not related
clearly just firing everything to the front is not working for these guys
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Sincerely, Silent One
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HISA IS COMING! YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET.
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actually there are some very good drivers, somebody is winning the races , just not the ones pacing queen rightfully noted
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Simon has been in a slump for a couple months. Hes a capable driver and will eventually snap out of it. When he does there will be money to be made.
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Probably because Dunn & both McCarthys are MUCH MORE TALENTED than the rest of the driving colony there now!
Agreed and there are 20 or 30 more drivers over there in NZ and Aussie that would whip these guys here as well. They will always be better because of the variety or racing with different distances, bigger fields and they race much closer.
Superior drivers all day long
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Agreed and there are 20 or 30 more drivers over there in NZ and Aussie that would whip these guys here as well. They will always be better because of the variety or racing with different distances, bigger fields and they race much closer.
Superior drivers all day long
It wasn't that long ago you were claiming there were 50 drivers better than the US drivers.
How about you name them!
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It wasn't that long ago you were claiming there were 50 drivers better than the US drivers.
How about you name them!
Idk 50 but
L macrthy, robbie morris, jack trainor, ftpitzpatrick, hewitt, pete mcmullen, grant dixon, shane graham, greg sugars, chris alford, kate gath.
I think luke better then todd whos better then andy and all 3 are as good as new zealands dunn.
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Simon has been in a slump for a couple months. Hes a capable driver and will eventually snap out of it. When he does there will be money to be made.
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Hes a none driving hack, without gas couldnt beat anyone
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Simon has been in a slump for a couple months. Hes a capable driver and will eventually snap out of it. When he does there will be money to be made.
Simon is just plain dull-witted. You don't have to be a wizard to drive a horse but he remarkably stupid.
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Idk 50 but
L macrthy, robbie morris, jack trainor, ftpitzpatrick, hewitt, pete mcmullen, grant dixon, shane graham, greg sugars, chris alford, kate gath.
I think luke better then todd whos better then andy and all 3 are as good as new zealands dunn.
Plus from NZ Blair Orange, Dexter's brother, John. Any of the Williamson Brothers (Their father Phil is the best trainer of trotters over there and the sons all train and are good). Those drivers are all from the South Island. There's a bunch of good ones up there in the North Island.
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All those Goops are better than the US drivers
The French guys too.
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Simon is just plain dull-witted. You don't have to be a wizard to drive a horse but he remarkably stupid.
tmbz1
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Plus from NZ Blair Orange, Dexter's brother, John. Any of the Williamson Brothers (Their father Phil is the best trainer of trotters over there and the sons all train and are good). Those drivers are all from the South Island. There's a bunch of good ones up there in the North Island.
Orange would never pass the breathalyser. You are still well short of your 30!
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cory callanan stinks also
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Who has less of a clue on how to drive on a mile track? Simon Allard, George Nap?
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Only 2 for 14 again tonight, both G Nap
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Simon is just plain dull-witted. You don't have to be a wizard to drive a horse but he remarkably stupid.
He is Albert Einstein compared to Ron Pierce.
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correct
its amazing the ignorance on this site
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its amazing the ignorance on this site
red ,you smart?
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I'm a big Corey fan, but hasn't been all that good lately and really bad at M1. Hasn't been getting the best stock to drive either.
He needs to take his hand holds up and stay at Dover!
73cv.2
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http://www.thebigm.com/uploadedFiles/Handicapping/Past_Performances/mxx0205q.pdf
Who Do You Like?? Who Dont You Like?? Post Your Thoughts/Picks.
Good Luck To All.
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I'm singling the 4 in the second on my pitch5 and betting the 3 in the 10th wp.
Wouldn't shaprise me to see Harris barn have few winners. Been showing signs of life.
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1st - 10 Scirocco Mistysaid 8,1,2
2nd - 1 Grandpa Don 6,2,4
3rd - 5 Mushana 7,8,3
4th - 4 Arnie's Angel 3,6,8
5th - 8 Some Chapter 6,4,2
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138910/24/25/148/34
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6th - 2 Juxta Cowgirl 7,1,4
7th - 7 Graceful Winner 1,2,4
8th - 3 Coach Cal 4,6,10
9th - 3 Magical Winner K 6,1,10
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Atrocious racing tonight
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These races suck tonight. 1 horse goes off by 10 and then the rest. Non competitive racing not interesting to me.
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16-1 5-1. 36.00 !! Tri was over 2k
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wow
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I'm gonna live bet. Odds seem to be alot dif on the longshots I like...Plus trying to stay away from pic 3 4 survivor and pic 6.
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16-1 5-1. 36.00 !! Tri was over 2k
Paid $236.60 for $2.
You got a bad download.
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http://www.thebigm.com/uploadedFiles/Handicapping/Past_Performances/mxx0206q.pdf
Who Do You Like?? Who Don't You Like?? Post Your Thoughts/Picks.
Good Luck To All.
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Too I like:
6th 2 karen shy hanover - wp
9th 5 That's Why I Said - win only
Gl
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http://www.thebigm.com/uploadedFiles/Handicapping/Past_Performances/mxx0206q.pdf
Who Do You Like?? Who Don't You Like?? Post Your Thoughts/Picks.
Good Luck To All.
1st race # 5 incredible shark
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1st - 6 Like Clockwork 5,8,2
2nd - 2 Always and Again 4,3,6
3rd - 1 Ourlittlegeneral A 6,3,8
4th - 1 Water Sports Teen 4,5,3
5th - 2 Heza Real Diamond 5,3,9
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$5,316,575 of new money was wagered into the P6 today @SANTAANITAPARK. As always, thank u for your continued wagering support of the racing product at #TheGreatRacePlace and good luck!
ONE POOL
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Race 6 Pat Matters
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$5,316,575 of new money was wagered into the P6 today @SANTAANITAPARK. As always, thank u for your continued wagering support of the racing product at #TheGreatRacePlace and good luck!
ONE POOL
Thanks, for the info, This is a Harness Category, What a TOOL.........
Yes Santa Anita always does very very well on handle, They are one of the Top tracks in the country..... But as typical with you its only half the story........ There was a mandatory payout with a almost 900K carry over.......
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6th - 4 Pat Matters 6,10,9
7th - 3 Reggiano 4,8,1
8th - 6 Pikachu Hanover 8,4,3
9th - 9 De Los Cielos Deo 5,1,4
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Unusual to see a burke horse race like that one in the last. Wasn't watching close broken equipment?
10/678/23678 her in the 10th. Good betting race.
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10th - 8 Western Joe 3,4,2
11th - 2 Our Max Phactor N 7,8,5
12th - 4 Whittaker N 2,7,5
13th - 2 Jk Will Power 4,8,6
14th - 5 Somebeach Baron 2,3,8
Race 15 has a $21,961 Carryover in the Super Hi-5, with a 60K guarantee. I'll guess the pool will be closer to 100K!
Good Luck To All.
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not sure what to think of the 5. 7/2 morning line dead on the board at 8/1. Throwing him out probably come back to haunt me.
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not sure what to think of the 5. 7/2 morning line dead on the board at 8/1. Throwing him out probably come back to haunt me.
The tote board usually is a good barometer with that type of odds overlay, I used him in a tri to cover my Pick 4 & Pick 6?
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Nice job Saw!
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I had the 2, but there is no way the 8 beat the 1 in the 11th race. Track camera indicated that and the replay showed it.
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Definitely tight. I thought dead heat watching the race and photo about proved it. they took a while.
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4/1236 here in the 13th. McCarthy stays on the 4, burke horse being bet
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7/23510 in the 14th. Somebody must know something on this 5. Throw him out?
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Boy that horse was well meant. Allard?
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7/23510 in the 14th. Somebody must know something on this 5. Throw him out?
My top pick. Actually I thought I might get a price off the 10-1 ML , hoping for 5-1, but 6/5 was disappointing
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Like Dave Brower said everyone got the memo but him lol. Odd mile equaling lifetime best.
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My hi-5 #'s 35/34510/2345710/12345710/all. $56 bet. Good betting board. Exacta box 2/3/5. Good luck!
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346/3456/3456/1345610/
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Good Luck Overcheck!
E5 (PWHL) 2, 8 / 2, 3, 5, 8 / 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 / 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 / 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
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I left the 6 out. Really don't like the 7 in here. Not sure what to think of the 6.
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Damm guess that 1" hopple change made a difference ngc3
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E5
$32.40
2,4/2-5/2-5,7/1-5,7/1-10
Backed it up with this ticket. Wish I saw your numbers before I might have included the 6. Oh well. Good call on the 6 he raced good.
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I got $2.60 left...Anybloody like anything at cal sexpo
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WOW, US born drivers won two races out of 15. All Canada, Aussie and NZ. The two the US won were by a head and a nose.
Now Miller and Tetrick were not there but still.