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Title: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 13, 2020, 02:12:21 PM
What’s the deal is this guy going to get a fair chance to make a living and drive again at the Weg tracks?

Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 13, 2020, 03:38:40 PM
What’s the deal is this guy going to get a fair chance to make a living and drive again at the Weg tracks?
When has he ever driven there?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on November 13, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
When has he ever driven there?

I think he might have had a couple of drives at Mohawk back around 2007...but certainly never made a living driving there.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 13, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Fact is now they will not let him go to Flam Geo Wdb. It’s complete crap.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on November 13, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
I mean wouldn’t it be fun to add him to weg? 
Put everything aside. He might only bay 200 there. But it would still be fun to see! 

Oh and the money that would follow him.
It’s like everywhere the guy drives the handles are effected.
How do you leave him off the ticket. Even driving for me lol
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on November 13, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
He did his time, should be allowed to drive anywhere, no excuses accepted
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on November 13, 2020, 10:31:47 PM
Since the indictments came out all of a sudden it's the tracks that are trying to put on a good face and their just as guilty, them and the AGCO. I honestly believe that a good number have something to cover up, and the canaries will see to it that many more will be charged.

It hurts to say. But I agree with you.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 14, 2020, 09:57:52 AM
It’s not fair or right that the powers that be can do this shit. The little guy can’t get a fair shake anymore. People need to learn second chances are deserving of people who put in the time and prove them selves again.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Jingle Jingle on November 14, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
Was he not driving at all these other tracks a couple of years back? What changed? It’s clear he is a top Driver and gamblers like to bet him because he try’s on every horse he drives. 
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 15, 2020, 07:36:27 AM
Was he not driving at all these other tracks a couple of years back? What changed? It’s clear he is a top Driver and gamblers like to bet him because he try’s on every horse he drives.
Flamboro he drove all last year , one of the top drivers,he was asked to leave ,yet they still allow a trainer with animal cruelty charges lending and another trainer with pending fines and suspension for abusing a horse in a race paddock
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 15, 2020, 09:10:47 AM
Let’s not for how long ago this shit was and how old he was. I think he’s suffered enough let him drive and show how good he really is.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Ramone on November 15, 2020, 10:25:35 AM
ST. LOUIS’S DISCIPLINARY RECORD

The United States Trotting Association print outs of ST. LOUIS’s record is found at Exhibit 3, pp. 32-36, 61-63 and 67-77.  A compilation of the record prepared by counsel for WEG and agreed to by all parties as accurate, is also found at Exhibit 3, pp.103-106.

The record covers the period April, 2007 to March, 2019.  In that time ST. LOUIS had some 30 violations.  Three offences involved failure to obey the instructions of racing officials.  Five offences involved excessive or indiscriminate use of the whip.  Five offences involved kicking a horse. Three offences involved giving false or misleading statements to racing Officials. One offence involved administering an injectable to a horse on the grounds where horses eligible to race are kept.  One offence involved ST. LOUIS being on the grounds of a racetrack while under suspension.  One offence involved a violation of a period probation by training horses.  One offence involved violating a settlement agreement.

For the last two offences, ST. LOUIS was suspended for a total of approximately 5 years, excluding him from racing from early 2013 to early 2018.

The most serious offences and the ones most relied on by WEG, GREAT CANADIAN, and GRAND RIVER, were the following:

July 18, 2009                        Michigan

Mr. St. Louis, while under oath, made false and misleading statements regarding the death of the horse ALEX E MEL. He did admit to the death, burning and burial of the horse and in doing so he did attempt to conceal, tamper, and destroy evidence in the case by the improperly burying the dead horse in violation of State Law. Mr. St. Louis’ actions constitute a failure to conduct himself in a manner befitting the best interest of racing and reasonably threatens and undermines public confidence in the integrity of racing.”

Penalty – 1 year suspension, $3,500 fine         

 

July 22, 2009                        Michigan

“Mr. St. Louis was observed by MORC personnel using a hypodermic syringe to inject a drug or foreign substance into the horse RISING ARTIST which was entered to race.  Subsequently, he made false and misleading statements while under oath in a Stewards hearing in regard to his possession and use of a needle syringe and injectable substance on the grounds where horses eligible to race are kept. His actions constitute failure to conduct himself in a manner best befitting the best interest of racing and reasonably threatens or undermines public confidence in the integrity of racing.”

Penalty – 180 day suspension, $1,500 fine

 

July 22, 2009                        Michigan

“Mr. St. Louis was in the grandstand of Sports Creek Raceway on 3 occasion, one being on 7/22/09 while under suspension which was a violation of the MORC  Stewards Ruling #5836. These actions also result in Mr. St. Louis not receiving credit for time served.”

Penalty – 30 day suspension

 

February 4, 2013      Michigan                                                                 

“The Penalty of Revocation of all of Mr. St. Louis Jr’s 2013 occupational licenses and ineligible to be licensed in the State of Michigan for two years beginning 2/18/2013 through and including: Mr. St. Louis Jr. is deemed a disqualified person.  During this time Mr. St. Louis Jr. is denied the privileges of all grounds live and/or simulcast that are under the jurisdiction of the MGCB.  Explanation:  Mr. St. Louis did violate his probation as states in MGCB Stewards Ruling #6282 dated 2/19/2011. Violated his probation by training horses at Shiawassee Farm in Michigan while on probation.”

Penalty – 2 year suspension. Revocation as of 02/18/2013

 

May 28, 2013                        Michigan

“As a result of violating the settlement agreement the Stewards issue the following penalty.  In accordance with MGCB Stewards Ruling #6695, Mr. St. Louis remains ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995 in the State of Michigan for the two year period 2/18/2013 through and including 2/17/2015. Further Mr. St. Louis Jr. will continue to remain ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995 in the State of Michigan for an additional three-year period 2/18/2015 through and including 2/17/2018. Mr. St. Louis Jr. will be deemed a disqualified person and will be denied the privileges of all grounds, live and/or simulcast that are under the jurisdiction of the Horse Racing Law of 1995.”

Penalty – 3-year suspension in eligible as of 05/31/2013
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 15, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
Nothing recent ah again he has had no violations in years and you wanna ban the guy. He’s done his time move on
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: silent one on November 15, 2020, 12:23:43 PM
Nothing recent ah again he has had no violations in years and you wanna ban the guy. He’s done his time move on

  He hasn't done his "time". His "time" should have been served in prison, for the animal abuse. This scumbag should NEVER be allowed near a horse. St. Louis is a poster boy for why harness racing should be shut down.

       Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 15, 2020, 01:37:59 PM
Hide behind the screen bud. What does he due now that’s wrong other then win races?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: London on November 15, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
  He hasn't done his "time". His "time" should have been served in prison, for the animal abuse. This scumbag should NEVER be allowed near a horse. St. Louis is a poster boy for why harness racing should be shut down.

       Sincerely, Silent One
👍
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Harness the King on November 15, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
That sums it up doesn't it?  Destroying evidence, burning a horse, injecting a horse before a race, inability to follow instructions.   Just because he's a good driver doesn't mean he is of good character which he has proven on multiple occasions he is not!
And we wonder why racing has a bad name, disgusting.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 15, 2020, 07:48:52 PM
The disgusting part of all this is the hate people still have for him. It happened long fucking time ago. Shit changes people change
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 15, 2020, 09:30:35 PM
Let's take a look at his age. Young guys often fuck up, mine did and now he's a dentist. Sure Marc cremated a horse years ago, but have you even seen the inside of a horse slaughterhouse - horses hanging by their hooves in chains with their throats slit, their courageous blood dripping down the drain awaiting the butcher's knives? Cremation is a lot more humane.

Give Marc a second chance--- if he screws up - then ban him!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 15, 2020, 11:29:53 PM
That sums it up doesn't it?  Destroying evidence, burning a horse, injecting a horse before a race, inability to follow instructions.   Just because he's a good driver doesn't mean he is of good character which he has proven on multiple occasions he is not!
And we wonder why racing has a bad name, disgusting.
If you are talking about character you would be hard pressed to find a handful of drivers that haven't done something questionable , whether it be snort coke, screw the help, beat their old ladies, stiffed a horse, do we have a handful left yet?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on November 15, 2020, 11:39:17 PM
Sorry but if you are gonna go after him you better make a list.
Also if he doesn’t deserve a second chance I guess you feel the same about me?  And a lot of other people that made mistakes as youths.

Thank god someone believed I could change and gave me a second chance or I wouldn’t be able to help those that do. And believe me if I thought Marc was still the same young man I wouldn’t invest the $150,000 I have.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 16, 2020, 10:49:48 AM
Case in point what about Rick Zeron how many times has WEG swept under the rug all his garbage. And on top of that they took him in when he got tossed from Montreal just because of his name. He tried to fuck the Cotroni mob and they gave him a pass but get out of town ticket, WEG knew this too and under the rug. Like I said add him to the WEG driver colony and watch their handle rise.
Zeron is definitely one of them that has had 100s of second chances
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on November 16, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
Sorry but if you are gonna go after him you better make a list.
Also if he doesn’t deserve a second chance I guess you feel the same about me?  And a lot of other people that made mistakes as youths.

Thank god someone believed I could change and gave me a second chance or I wouldn’t be able to help those that do. And believe me if I thought Marc was still the same young man I wouldn’t invest the $150,000 I have.

Training a horse to death and then burning the remains is not my definition of a mistake
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: SoulAssassin on November 16, 2020, 04:00:05 PM
Sorry but if you are gonna go after him you better make a list.
Also if he doesn’t deserve a second chance I guess you feel the same about me?  And a lot of other people that made mistakes as youths.

Thank god someone believed I could change and gave me a second chance or I wouldn’t be able to help those that do. And believe me if I thought Marc was still the same young man I wouldn’t invest the $150,000 I have.

nice 2 see you givin him a 2nd chance bearding for him.  11.bz
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on November 16, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
nice 2 see you givin him a 2nd chance bearding for him.

Any racehorse that Stew is down as trainer on, he owns, trains, feeds it daily etc...
The only time Marc touches the horse is when he shows up to drive it, and even then he doesn't always choose Stew's if he is down on more than one.
They're stabled two hours away from each other.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 16, 2020, 05:45:27 PM
Soul assassin do you have any facts everything you posted is untrue.   
FACT 100%
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Ramone on November 18, 2020, 12:24:25 AM
Anything noteworthy in the St Louis barn Tuesday? Any unexpected visitors?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 18, 2020, 07:29:13 AM
Anything noteworthy in the St Louis barn Tuesday? Any unexpected visitors?
If the commission visited it wouldn't be much of a surprise their numbers don't go unnoticed
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: pylon on November 18, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
Anything noteworthy in the St Louis barn Tuesday? Any unexpected visitors?
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yep... and they should go and visit JR Plante
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on November 18, 2020, 09:08:48 AM
FOUND THE SAME THING THEY FOUND LAST 10 TIMES THEY VISITED......PULL ED ALL MY HORSES BLOODS, MINE IN THE ONES THAT I OWN...... tmbz1

ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!!!

PROBABLY SHOULD START PULLING MARCS BLOOD THE WAY HE WINS SO MUCH!!!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 18, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
wait, what
the agco actually does barn inspections
hahaha since when ??
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 18, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
Everyone is jealous when you win  tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 11.mq
Why does he win with other peoples horses ?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 18, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
Everyone is jealous when you win  tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 11.mq
Why does he win with other peoples horses ?

WHY?.......because he's a talented horseman & aggressive driver.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 18, 2020, 02:30:48 PM
Congratulations we have a winner  ngc3
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on November 18, 2020, 05:16:03 PM
Are the drivers still pre-racing the ones they drive?
Axing for a friend...
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on November 19, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
Quote
Race 8 Marc St. Louis driving # 7 Mach Shark. Violation Rule 22.23.03(b) did use more than acceptable wrist action while using his whip past 3⁄4’s. This is a 4th violation of the urging rules within one year of the 1st violation. Mr. St. Louis is fully suspended after this evening and referred to the Director. Ruling 1109571.
Also, we will be dealing with Mr. St. Louis for a 4th violation within 6 months of Rule 22.19 did fail to keep both feet in the stirrups.

Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Ramone on November 19, 2020, 01:26:55 PM
I have to say this. Stewart McQueen is a vocal supporter of St. Louis and I think he is wrong to do so but he is definitely a stand up guy. He's good for the industry and it sure would be a shame if he gets tarnished by association.
His support for the charity driver challenge at Western Fair is generous and I think fairly typical of his nature.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on November 19, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
Marc is a good guy. leave him alone
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Gasman401 on November 19, 2020, 02:36:51 PM
Best best driver on the b  tracks jmo
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on November 19, 2020, 02:37:25 PM
Marc is a good guy. leave him alone

Yup good guy
Just a couple of “mistakes”
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 19, 2020, 02:59:48 PM
Best best driver on the b  tracks jmo
That is what threatens the regular guys the most, cabt catch a ticket with Marc in the race
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 19, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
I would rather have Marc in the bike then a stiff the only thing he’s guilty of is trying to hard.  11.wp
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: silent one on November 19, 2020, 06:05:30 PM
I would rather have Marc in the bike then a stiff the only thing he’s guilty of is trying to hard.  11.wp

  Killing a horse, trying to cover it up, setting remains on fire. Completely innocent. What a great human being.

     Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: pylon on November 19, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
I would rather have Marc in the bike then a stiff the only thing he’s guilty of is trying to hard.  11.wp

you are trying to set up an unreasonable choice..ie St Louis or a stiff.....as if the entire Western Fair driver colony are stiffs........... ...nice try though...
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Racing Troll on November 19, 2020, 09:50:14 PM
  Killing a horse, trying to cover it up, setting remains on fire. Completely innocent. What a great human being.

     Sincerely, Silent One

SO HE SET ONE ON FIRE, WOOP DE FUCKN DO,
 MOST BETTORS HAVE TO SET THEIR TICKETS ON FIRE 52xc.2
AFTER THE RACE BETTING ON YOU OTHER STIFFS
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Harness the King on November 20, 2020, 11:01:19 AM
See on SC St Louis suspended indefinitely for whipping and slashing.  4th or 100th offense, point is he's a piece of shit!  Sure he can make a horse go, bottom line can't follow the rules.  Throw his ass out of the sport
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 20, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
How much does the handle go up if St Louis drives at the jockey club  you might lose some of the drivers dollars but overall increase over r under 20 percent
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 20, 2020, 12:54:26 PM
See on SC St Louis suspended indefinitely for whipping and slashing.  4th or 100th offense, point is he's a piece of shit!  Sure he can make a horse go, bottom line can't follow the rules.  Throw his ass out of the sport
Just looked Wray on it too , same thing
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: London on November 20, 2020, 12:59:37 PM
And BOOM,,there it is..indefinate suspension.. 11.wp 11.wp
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: HomewardBound on November 20, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
And BOOM,,there it is..indefinate suspension.. 11.wp 11.wp

Pretty lame reason to suspend.   
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 20, 2020, 03:01:24 PM
What's next? No more yelling "giddy-up".
Winning races is what this game is all about.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: HomewardBound on November 20, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
What's next? No more yelling "giddy-up".
Winning races is what this game is all about.

Its gotta stop
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 20, 2020, 04:34:31 PM
Years ago I claimed one off of Ross Curran at Greenwood. When I got to the backside to pick up the mare the backside of her was like she ran through barbed wire, she was cut deep and blood all over. Nothing ever happened to Curran and this points out just how slow and backwards the game is when all of a sudden most suspensions now are for aggressive use of the whip. All I wanted to do was get the mare back to the farm give her all the time she needed and treat her wounds. To this day I should have gone looking for Curran and beat the crap out of him but the right thing was to put the mare first.

ROSS CURRAN - That's why they called him "Cowboy"
 (recently passed away after 20+ years in a nursing home)
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: GTW on November 20, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
What's next? No more yelling "giddy-up".
Winning races is what this game is all about.

Watch the replay....was kicking the horse with his left foot at the wire too. LOL
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 20, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
wow, you think if this guy drove at mohawk they would do an extra 20% on the handle
somewhere around $350,000 a night because he gets a few drives
lets stay grounded, he is winning at a b track and very often on heavy favourites especially his own
having said that respect his numbers and style of driving
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 20, 2020, 10:07:50 PM
wow, you think if this guy drove at mohawk they would do an extra 20% on the handle
somewhere around $350,000 a night because he gets a few drives
lets stay grounded, he is winning at a b track and very often on heavy favourites especially his own
having said that respect his numbers and style of driving
The 30 second second and third angle can't be used with St. Louis in the mix
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Jazzman on November 21, 2020, 05:32:24 PM
such an asset to racing suspended indefinatley for whipping hope this is the end of this animal abuser
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 22, 2020, 12:17:33 AM
such an asset to racing suspended indefinatley for whipping hope this is the end of this animal abuser
Trevor Henry just surpassed 7000 wins , had numerous whipping violations  he drives to win to
But here we have Rick Zeron a sex offender and its all good to welcome him with open arms, fuck off already  , the guy had a past get over it
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Stan durbread on November 22, 2020, 08:05:14 AM
Obviously he didn’t learn anything from his “ time away “ from horse racing!
Still abusing horses constantly
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 22, 2020, 08:26:47 AM
i assume trevor henry has learned to play by the new rules or he to would be getting suspended
agree or not the rules are the rules and all must abide by them or pay the penalty
not fair for gamblers if their horses driver abides by the rules but they get beat by a horse whose driver used excessive urging/whipping and beat you and cost you a bet
no defending st louis or anyone else  on this issue
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 22, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
could be
perhaps marc misread the tea leaves
if he was on thin ice( assume he was given flam and mohawk wont let him drive)he probably should have been smarter and stayed squeeky clean so they had no way of getting him suspended
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Horseshoe on November 22, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
Heard a few other participants were complaining about him.
If this is true that may have something to do with suspension.
The race they nailed him on Kelly was on his outside at 3/4s
and was slashing away on his horse and I do not see his name
In fines and suspensions.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on November 22, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
Heard a few other participants were complaining about him.
If this is true that may have something to do with suspension.
The race they nailed him on Kelly was on his outside at 3/4s
and was slashing away on his horse and I do not see his name
In fines and suspensions.

I wonder if the "FUCK YOU" that St.Louis screamed at Kelly crossing the line had anything to do with it?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 23, 2020, 12:51:58 AM
Heard a few other participants were complaining about him.
If this is true that may have something to do with suspension.
The race they nailed him on Kelly was on his outside at 3/4s
and was slashing away on his horse and I do not see his name
In fines and suspensions.
Kelly is a winey bitch
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 23, 2020, 10:49:10 AM
That’s it between Kelly Wray and Even soup Broth it’s crazy. But Marc’s the fall guy all the time. Stop advertising he’s in the Christmas driver challenge when you won’t let him stupid fucks.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on November 23, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
Let's not forget stupid. How many times has Kelly gutted a horse because he's had a long running beef with St.Louis. If I was the owner I would kick the shit out of him for that shit.
COP CALLER FOR SURE............. OR IT MAY HAVE HAPPEN ALREADY.....BUT NOT ST.LOUIS OWNER, THE OWNERS OF HORSES KELLY DRIVES........... EXAMPLE BOSSENCE.......
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 24, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Bourgealt is still racing after beating one with a headpole in the race paddock  St Louis needs to lawyer up
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: pylon on November 24, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
according to a new ruling AGCO. is suspending him for 5 days..the Director to determine when that starts....not sure what that means....is the indefinite suspension still in effect or can he now race until the days are announced?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Ramone on November 24, 2020, 11:36:04 AM
The 5 day suspension is for the kicking.
The indefinite suspension is for his 4th whipping violation in a year.
It's likely that the gullible Horse Racing Appeal Panel will grant a stay and it will be business as normal.
Sad.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 24, 2020, 12:24:59 PM
perhaps
 but as we know weg especially will ban anyone they want from their property if they see fit
and clearly they have for this fella and I would suspect with good reason as he appears to not play by or understand the rules
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 24, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
I think on saftic he did get taken down , correct??
it was that race with a double placing for whipping and interference
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Ramone on November 24, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
Ocr 29/20
2   ALL CHEDDAR               2   4°/3   2°/1   3°/3H   3I/4H   3P2P7/6   1:55.2   28.3   

SAFTIC,MICHAEL J                   
ON    - RULE 22.23.04(A), FAIL TO KEEP A LINE IN EACH HAND THE ENTIRE RACE
Commission Rule Number : 22.23.04(A)                                                                   
Date Issued : 29-OCT-2020
Total Due :    200.00
Violation Occurred : Race 2 at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK on 29-OCT-2020 horse ALL CHEDDAR
Suspended From 02-NOV-2020 To 04-NOV-2020 (Driving Suspension)
 (Suspensions  Reinstated On 05-NOV-2020)
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 26, 2020, 06:31:06 AM
Allowed to drive again but must wear handcuffs and shackles to even the playing field
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on November 26, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
doesn't he usually

http://www.horseplop.com/Smileys/smileys1/boogie.gif
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Marc St louisjr supporter on November 27, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
LOVE IT HE’S BACK BITCHES ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 27, 2020, 07:59:22 PM
looking forward to Marc's return. THEN THE ACTION WILL HEAT UP!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 27, 2020, 10:24:50 PM
looking forward to Marc's return. THEN THE ACTION WILL HEAT UP!
Colon Kelly is really missing him
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on November 28, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
 73cv.2
Colon Kelly is really missing him

 73cv.2 ngc3 Now that's funny!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Horseshoe on November 29, 2020, 04:26:17 PM
Kelly has good hands but makes too many
bad decisions in a lot of races.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on November 30, 2020, 12:15:49 AM
Kelly has good hands but makes too many
bad decisions in a lot of races.
Talent maybe but definitely lacks brains, fits in well at the bullrings
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on December 01, 2020, 02:38:15 PM
Horses trained to death then set on fire

Marc St. Louis 1
Colin Kelly 0
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on December 02, 2020, 11:49:06 AM
LOVE IT HE’S BACK BITCHES 

ummm, is he?? , because i did not see him on friday or monday and not down to drive on wednesday
perhaps ran into a little red tape

Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on December 02, 2020, 01:09:59 PM
LOVE IT HE’S BACK BITCHES 

ummm, is he?? , because i did not see him on friday or monday and not down to drive on wednesday
perhaps ran into a little red tape

Looks like he will be back driving Dec.13th and on probation for 6 months.
=========================================================

ST LOUIS,MARC E                   
ON    - PROBATION (DEC 13/20 - JUNE 12/21 INCL)         FOOT OUT OF STIRRUPS
ANY FOOT OUT OF THE STIRRUP VIOLATIONS DURING THE PROBATIONARY PERIOD
WILL RESULT IN AN IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION OF DRIVING (PENDING ANY FULFILLMENT
OF OUTSTANDING OBLIGATIONS) AND WILL RESULT IN REFERRAL TO DIRECTOR OF RCB
FOR FURTHER FINE AND/OR SUSPENSION
Commission Rule Number : 22.19                                                                         
Date Issued : 24-NOV-2020

ST LOUIS,MARC E                   
ON    - FAILURE TO KEEP FEET IN THE STIRRUPS            ORIGINAL RULING #1111640
ALSO PLACED ON PROBATION FOR 6 MONTHS (DEC 13/20 - JUNE 12/21 INCL.)
Commission Rule Number : 22.19                                                                         
Date Issued : 24-NOV-2020
Violation Occurred : Race 8 at WESTERN FAIR RACEWAY on 18-NOV-2020 horse MACH SHARK
Suspended From 08-DEC-2020 To 12-DEC-2020 (Driving Suspension)

ST LOUIS,MARC E                      (under appeal)
ON    - MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE WRIST ACTION               4TH OFFENSE & REFERRAL TO DIRECTOR
RE: ORIG. RULING 1078736 - $2000 FINE ($1000 STAYED), SUSP 40 DAYS (20 STAYED)
ANY FURTHER VIOLATION OF RULES 22.23.01, 22.23.02, 22.23.03, STAY WILL BE
WITHDRAWN & TO BE REFERRED BACK TO DIRECTOR. ATTEND MEETING WITH LON
JUDGES & SUBMIT LETTER OUTLINING HIS PLAN FOR COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO REINSTATEMENT
Commission Rule Number : 22.23.03 (B) AND 22.23.05(A)&(B) AND POLICY DIRECTIVE 3-2019                   
Date Issued : 24-NOV-2020
Total Due :   1000.00
Violation Occurred : Race 8 at WESTERN FAIR RACEWAY on 18-NOV-2020
Suspended From 18-NOV-2020 To 07-DEC-2020 (Driving Suspension)

Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on December 02, 2020, 01:18:48 PM

................. ATTEND MEETING WITH LON
JUDGES & SUBMIT LETTER OUTLINING HIS PLAN FOR COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO REINSTATEMENT


Think the drivers have a standard letter they all use?
What does it say?....

"I promise not to be mean to horses and not to whip or kick them (at least until my probation is up)"

Just have them write lines on a fuckin'  blackboard. That seems just as reasonable a solution.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on December 04, 2020, 07:27:11 PM
He's Back!..winner in first drive.....The Loan Ranger.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on December 04, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Horses trained to death then set on fire

Marc St. Louis 1
Colin Kelly 0

You soo smart.  Trained it to death eh. I’m glad you know.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Justagroom on December 05, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
Enlighten us stew.How did the horse die if not trained to death?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on December 05, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
Enlighten us stew.How did the horse die if not trained to death?

What's the point?

If Stew says it was anything or anyone other than Marc that caused it, you won't believe him.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: harnesstimes on December 05, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
 Marc St, Jewish Loser
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on December 05, 2020, 07:09:09 PM
Marc St, Jewish Loser

Some Loser!

2020DRIVERS         Sts  1st  2nd  3rd    $Won      Win%  UDRS   
Marc E St Louis Jr   423  117  59    47     531,739  27.7  .391
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on December 05, 2020, 07:24:09 PM
I agree.  If Stew is disputing it let's hear the other side.  Was the horse trained to death or not? 
And was it set on fire?  Wasn't he suspended for this for a long time or am I thinking of something else?

No, yes and yes.
It colicked and died. He cremated it.
Who knows who or what caused the colic, maybe Marc did and was trying to cover it up.
Either way, the horse "was not trained to death".
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: firhill on December 05, 2020, 09:12:55 PM
So because it wasn't "trained" to death we just look passed the setting it on fire and trying to hide it?  If he wasn't to blame, why dispose of it that way?
Not sure who you're posing the question to but if you're asking me...I say do whatever you want.
I never suggested anyone look past anything, with regards to what happened to the horse.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: ferdinand the bull on December 05, 2020, 09:17:42 PM
How many years ago was this?
Maybe as a young kid, he couldn't afford the disposal fees, didn't have equipment to properly bury it or maybe he fucked up and never thought it out like a lot of younger versions of ourselves did in some situations. Dont know the guy personally but he gets results and if drivers were pushed aside for their previous indiscretions there wouldn't be any left
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on December 05, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
Marc is a good kid and a very good driver! Leave him alone YOU FUCKING LIBERAL SCUMBAGS!!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on December 05, 2020, 10:18:57 PM
So because it wasn't "trained" to death we just look passed the setting it on fire and trying to hide it?  If he wasn't to blame, why dispose of it that way?

It wasn’t looked over he served a suspension for it. So the governing body applied a suspension to the action. Marc ain’t 20 no more. He learned from his mistake. Which despite what you think he acknowledges and grieves everyday.

So I’m over it. It’s really nice that he’s donating all his driver earnings to a good cause and that his owner(me) will also be contributing on his behalf.

I really understand the fact that he did something wrong. I also understand the fact that he’s learned from it and enjoys being a horsemen as well as I do. Like I’ve said before if I thought my $150,000 of horses was in some kind of danger I have other options. But I’ve seen the live he has for horses.

Hate me too if you like. I don’t need anymore friends. I love myself enough to be secure in my decision.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on December 05, 2020, 11:39:02 PM
I agree people deserve a 2nd chance, I misunderstood and thought you were saying it didn't happen.   And thanks for reminding how much you spent on horses.  I'd almost forgotten from 4 posts ago.   tmbz1
You’re welcome. It’s actually a lot less now since I had 2 claimed off me and sold one privately. But I’ll get the update from my book keeping and let you know. Now they can say I’m a liar. And I’ll play defence attorney for that. As the backstretch turns.

We should really start a reality show. Millions to be made on that soap.
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on August 23, 2021, 09:10:18 AM

o Race 2. Mr. St. Louis was adjudged guilty of violating AGCO rules 22.23.01(a) (indiscriminate action), 22.23.01(b) (excessive action) and 22.23.03(b) (more than acceptable wrist action) while driving STEELMEATREASURE. As this violation breaches the terms of his probation (HRAP 05002 2021), the stayed portion of the participant’s penalty (20 days driving suspension and $1,000 monetary penalty) is reinstated immediately (23 August to 11 September, inclusive) and the participant is immediately suspended until he meets with the Director of Racing (per AGCO Policy Directive No. 5-2009) (Number 1300742).
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on August 23, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
say what you want I guess he is just not that bright
to be on probation and do that in a race for $6,300 makes little sense
oh well
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: STEW MCQUEEN on August 23, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
That's for sure!
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: wiggles44 on September 09, 2021, 03:25:07 PM
Quote
ST LOUIS,MARC E                   
ON    - HAVING MET WITH DIRECTOR OF RACING, THE         FOLLOWING ORDERS WERE MADE
FINED $3000 ($1000 STAYED) PLUS 60 DAYS SUSPENSION (20 DAYS STAYED) (OCT 22
TO NOV 10).  PROBATION ONE CALENDAR YEAR (OCT 22/21 TO OCT 21/22) AND MUST
ATTEND A MEETING WITH JUDGES AT RIDCF IN RELATION TO PAST 5 DRIVES AND SUBMIT
A LETTER TO DIRECTOR TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE FOR APPROVAL
Commission Rule Number : 22.23.01(A), 22.23.01(B) AND 22.23.03(B)                                       
Date Issued : 07-SEP-2021
Total Due :   2000.00
Violation Occurred : Race 2 at RIDEAU CARLETON RACEWAY on 12-AUG-2021
                     horse STEELMEATREASURE
Suspended From 12-SEP-2021 To 21-OCT-2021 (Driving Suspension)

Just kick him out for fuck sakes
Grow a set for once
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Brown jug on September 09, 2021, 04:15:44 PM
fuckin woke snow flake judges
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: titans1127 on September 09, 2021, 04:16:12 PM
Just kick him out for fuck sakes
Grow a set for once
I watched the race in question and I could not really see anything during the race that seemed out of the ordinary.  What rules did he violate?
Title: Re: Marc St. Louis jr
Post by: Frank the Zipper on September 09, 2021, 05:57:40 PM
Stop picking on Marc. He's the greatest driver since Walter Case Jr.
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