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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: augustaandy on September 17, 2020, 10:00:31 PM
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we should know how the sale will go during the first 15 entries
there won't be 2 million dollar yearlings
there won't be any
no mixed sale either
https://www.drf.com/news/harness-lexington-selected-mixed-sale-canceled
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Uh, the mixed sale cancellation is fake news--the story you quoted is from 2019...
we should know how the sale will go during the first 15 entries
there won't be 2 million dollar yearlings
there won't be any
no mixed sale either
https://www.drf.com/news/harness-lexington-selected-mixed-sale-canceled
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The guy has been off his game earlier in the week said that the Goshen sale had many poorly sold horses when in fact the average was down 197.00 from 2019 but still higher then 2018. When should there ever be a 1.0mln dollar yearling? You can find plenty that make it or break it for 100k. But you can prearrange a sale for show and the consignors thank you. As far as the mix sale as of earlier in the week still trying to get horses. Will get a first look at the first actual big sale in Ohio. The select sale starts with four new first crop sires. Should have some dollars flying around.
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So far so good though 50 horses a 20,520 average better then a year ago and 57 just went through the ring as sale topper so far at 90k a Hanover Downbytheseaside
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Through 100 average up to 23,890. A pair of Downbytheseaside 102 and 103 go for 100k each.
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Strong sale through 200 minus 8 outs. So far net 4,965,000 that's gross more then the 248 sold last year. 2019 average was 20,383 and so far average 25,861 up 26% from last year with 78 more hips to sell.
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SEASIDE AND DRAGONS KILLIN IT TODAY
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Seaside by far raising the average. What the Hill's doing well while Dragons were average until the sale topper so far 175 and another biggie at 179. Money always like buying something that could be better then what they have been buying. Trot side was lacking this year so will see how WTH, Long Tom, and Creatine can bring to the table. Although Creatine first 40 foals didn't offer much while looking nice at the sale last year.
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New sires helped to a 24,866 average up 22%. How does this transfer to the two big sales where they have couple crops and just two new sires Walner and Huntsville. Still plenty of day 5 regional horses by Seaside and WTH. Lexington and Harrisburg with the amount of horses and the big prices from last year will probably be down but if it's less then 10% breeders will take it.
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How many of these were being protected? What is the cost to have bragging rights? These breeders know they have to make the money within the next 5 years before the slot money leaves. Some nice horses in there though.
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those Seasides looked great
he dominated Fear The Dragon at the end of their 3 year old seasons, expect the same on the racetracks next year
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missed the news date
still no mixed sale entries
will there be a mixed sale?
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missed the news date
still no mixed sale entries
will there be a mixed sale?
THE MIXED SALE HAD SHIT HORSES 2 YRS AGO
NOT ENUFF ENTRIES
I DONT THINK THERE WILL BE A MIXED SALE
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20 days to the proposed mixed sale at Lexington and still no entries
even if there are, doesn't sound like many and those who entered can only go to Timonium supplemental sale if they want a mixed sale soon if the Lexington mixed sale is canceled
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I will call Monday for a update the ladies were in Ohio for the sale.
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I will call Monday for a update the ladies were in Ohio for the sale.
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Actually Cindy called for a different reason and the mix sale is on. Not very big 87 entries with 16 being stallion shares.
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ohio was strong
i expect lexington to be strong but down 10% overall versus last year as the top end will certainly come down compared to last year
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They ever gonna post the last 200 results of the Ohio select sale or am I missing something?
use a different browser
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Actually Cindy called for a different reason and the mix sale is on. Not very big 87 entries with 16 being stallion shares.
thanks much!
we're really getting close to the sale, wonder when they will post the entries?
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Trying to get as many entries as possible and if it hasn't closed they may add supplements to the sale. I expect there won't be many eye catching raceway horses? It's cheaper, one gets there money quicker using ongait, and you still get a ton of eyeballs.
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we're almost at the Lexington sale and night 1 should be a barnburner!
last year we had the start of a budding rivalry where Damien ($1,000,000), one qualifier, no earnings yet and Maverick ($1,100,000), less than $10,000 in earnings sold huge!
we also had Adirondack ($400,000), the first out of Mission Brief), has already earned back $12,000
Mycrownkingdom ($450,000) won his qualifier in August in 2.00.1 at Woodbine Mohawk and may be ready to earn his first check
On Eight Hundred ($800,000) just missed in his last Kindergarten race and is already up to $16,798 in earnings
Aptly named Really Fast ($700,000) may be too fast to train as he hasn't qualified yet, maybe they can't catch him in the field
Plaid and Pearls ($390,000) may have his picture on a milk carton in your refrigerator as he too is sight unseen
Appalachia ($240,000) has 3 starts and yet to earn a check, great pedigree too, much like Adirondack
some questioned paying $350,000 for a Bar Happing, and My Abigail also may have her picture on a milk carton
the sale is coming up soon and bidding may be fierce, but probably not as fierce as last year
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I spoke with one of the bigger farms in KY yesterday more on a race mare I have and options where to sell and how breeders may play in buying broodmares later this year. Of course it all depends on how the sales go this year with Lex and Black book sale. Fair answer I asked if sales were down 10% would it be a success and answer was a that would be a great sale. He went on if it was down 30% it would be a good sale back to prices 2 years ago. So I think breeders are feeling better after the past couple smaller sales that the money is out there. Also look for money bump on KY sire finals and Keenland looking to build a harness track in Corbin in the near future. I don't see the purpose in 1.0mln dollar sales for a trotter but these days we have seen a shift to more owners on horses and the chances to have ownership on more top horses with a smaller stake.
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I spoke with one of the bigger farms in KY yesterday more on a race mare I have and options where to sell and how breeders may play in buying broodmares later this year. Of course it all depends on how the sales go this year with Lex and Black book sale. Fair answer I asked if sales were down 10% would it be a success and answer was a that would be a great sale. He went on if it was down 30% it would be a good sale back to prices 2 years ago. So I think breeders are feeling better after the past couple smaller sales that the money is out there. Also look for money bump on KY sire finals and Keenland looking to build a harness track in Corbin in the near future. I don't see the purpose in 1.0mln dollar sales for a trotter but these days we have seen a shift to more owners on horses and the chances to have ownership on more top horses with a smaller stake.
I believe the Ohio sale was bolstered by the Downbytheseaside's and otherwise the sale would've been much less
I also think Lexington will be down substantially from last year, but last year it was up a ton
last year had a 750k, an 800k, 2 million dollar horses, etc.
I doubt Lex has that this year
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Lexington Mixed Sale is finally up
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i would suggest lexington down by 10-15% based on the top end coming down
of course lots of nice hoses but i don't see any selling for more than 700k even with farms buying some or all of them back
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Trying to get as many entries as possible and if it hasn't closed they may add supplements to the sale. I expect there won't be many eye catching raceway horses? It's cheaper, one gets there money quicker using ongait, and you still get a ton of eyeballs.
Horses first,
Don’t take this personal but are you ever positive on racing? If it’s so bad just get out of it. You make want to take up pigeon racing.
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What are you taking about the first sentence is from the sales company. The second is most are keeping quality race horses. The third is truth you save 7% and a 400 enter fee on ongait then at Lex or Harrisburg mix sale. If you have a good or average racehorse selling on ongait makes more sense. If you have a allstar then you go there. Seems like commonsense Cigar sorry it went over your head. Plus two breeders told me they are waiting till after the sales to see what they will spend on broodmare.
Yes I'm down on racing till they clean it up and even the playing field. Sorry stance I've had for a long time. But if you like all the cheating more power to you.
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Breeders love averages. They dump their low end stuff online and then tout the average. Good horses always sell well and the bottom end always sell poorly. Auctions are picnics for them. People that go to one auction a year get brutalized, they have no idea of the games played.
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Breeders love averages. They dump their low end stuff online and then tout the average. Good horses always sell well and the bottom end always sell poorly. Auctions are picnics for them. People that go to one auction a year get brutalized, they have no idea of the games played.
Tell us. Grate one
How the game is played ngc3 ngc3
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I thought we only had to worry about what she was spreading between her legs...now her mouth too. guess horse handler lives don’t matter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjhIkygXcAMC90S?format=jpg&name=large
Way to promote the sport and sure glad I didn’t go this year!
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only gas trainers and their scumbag owners there they wont be missed
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Just have a question about the photo, what is the horses name?
Sincerely, Silent One
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bring your checkbooks tonight!
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sale price averages may be way down
top 2 horses were at $400,000
looks like many more sub $100,000 horses this year than last year
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Sale picked up through 59 sale was off 22% but some of the big guns hadn't hit the tape. Couple over 600 and one over 700 with help that average out. The breeders are expected it to be down but I'm sure they are happy with the results tonight.
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Make that one over 600. Sale down 17% from 2019 but slightly higher then 2018. 129k average nothing to sneeze at and 13% higher then 2017.
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“Very strong opening night, considering”. WHAT ???. Pre sale it was all about the “best quality ever”.... when pacing colts average is nearly $40,000 less than a year ago and Trotting colts nearly $75,000 lower (even considering a couple million $ colts last year) I would say it was far removed from being a “very strong opening night”... 9 horses sold for $35,000 or less !!! On opening night ????
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Why would they use "Average" instead of the more appropriate "Median" for sales price reporting?
Borderline retarded.
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Why would they use "Average" instead of the more appropriate "Median" for sales price reporting?
Borderline retarded.
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sale lighter than last year but the second half last night helped increase the numbers
tonight you may start seeing bigger weakness in the numbers
last year's buyers, especially at the very high end, did not do very well
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Calhoun you have so much to say about everything, You are a brain surgeon, expert on the english language, expert handicapper, scientist, I am amazed how smart you think you are. You are truly a legend in your own mind!!!! I guess anyone can bullshit everyone over 12 thousand posts and still going LOL!
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" The average was down 16.3 percent from 2019 but up 2.1 percent from $126,471 in 2018 and 12.9 percent from $114,344 in 2017."
2019 looking like a outlier
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2019 was a record by a mile and the best sale ever on the first day. Wow 2020 during a pandemic comes in as 2nd highest ever. The dollars were there see how the next five days shape out. Day may be strong as the regional part of the sale has lots of OH breds.
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jim
what day does your 3 sell
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tonite?
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Rene Allard inspecting yearlings.
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Who cares about average or median? It's all about the individual. Surdicks juiced up breeders crown winners first foal went for 140 grand and they bred Always B Miki TO HIS MOTHER and got 200. Talk about inbred. Wonder if the other horses in the paddock talk behind his back. ;D
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Who cares about average or median? It's all about the individual. Surdicks juiced up breeders crown winners first foal went for 140 grand and they bred Always B Miki TO HIS MOTHER and got 200. Talk about inbred. Wonder if the other horses in the paddock talk behind his back. ;D
ngc3
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Actually I misread the catalog and its a brother to Always A Miki ... Didn't think they would inbreed that deep. ngc3
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prices may get much cheaper tonight
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Father Patrick so far
yearling average price per year
2017 $75,250
2018 $93,567
2019 $111,000
2020 $46,359
that's a ton more than 20%
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Father Patrick so far
yearling average price per year
2017 $75,250
2018 $93,567
2019 $111,000
2020 $46,359
that's a ton more than 20%
Cantab Halls going the same way (maybe more)down - (never mind Sebastian K - that was shortlived ?)
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Father Patrick like any well received new stud the best mares in a three yr rotation. Breeders get two cycles in without having any crop numbers to alter prices so those first two years are good for the breeder. The third will depend on how those first two crops fare on the track. By time the rotation ends new sires hit the market and those mares are off to the new ones. Cantab Hall has been a stud for as long as I can remember over 1100 foals bred. I see his last couple crops averaged over 60k and for this one to get more then a 50% cut is a bit odd since he is the best sire getting horses onto the track and averaging over 50k and still possible over 100k at 24%. He has been a pillar of stability as far as a site goes with longevity in a sport that will turn you aside if there is no production.