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Title: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Dingus on July 25, 2020, 03:34:18 PM
147:1- fastest race ever at The Meadows
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Post by: help on July 25, 2020, 03:35:43 PM
Under wraps. Scary!
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Post by: Sweet Louis on July 25, 2020, 03:49:30 PM
Yea that was some mile..47.1 on that track is unreal.
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Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on July 25, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
Sad what drugs have done to the industry
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Post by: myakaprince on July 25, 2020, 04:55:11 PM
Fastest time EVER by a 3 year old pacer.  How did he lose the Pace last week? He IS better than Tall Dark Stranger.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 25, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
First cut is in

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Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Harnessfan902 on July 25, 2020, 06:08:08 PM
Rumors are broke down after race.    I hope it’s incorrect
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Post by: Harveyharnessreporter on July 25, 2020, 06:09:37 PM
maybe he ran toooooooooooooooo oooooooo  fast

hope they all drop
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Post by: hoosierboy on July 25, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
Rumors are broke down after race.    I hope it’s incorrect

Wow terrible if true
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: jupiter on July 25, 2020, 08:12:27 PM
horse was a monster today, Purple Jesus did ok. I guess he has not lost it, maybe its real cool sam
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Dingus on July 25, 2020, 08:46:32 PM
horse was a monster today, Purple Jesus did ok. I guess he has not lost it, maybe its real cool sam

WASHINGTON, PA, July 25, 2020--Papi Rob Hanover blazed his way to the $375,000 final of the Delvin Miller Adios Pace for the Orchids in a world record 1:47.1, a world record for a 3-year-old colt on a five-eighths mile track. Also winning eliminations Saturday at The Meadows were The Greek Freak and Catch The Fire.
 
Joining the three winners in the Aug. 1 final are Later Dudes, Chief Mate, No Lou Zing, Sweet Truth, Capt Midnight and Elver Hanover. Connections of the elimination winners will choose their post positions Tuesday, with their order of selection determined by random draw. All other post positions will be randomly drawn.
 
The Meadowlands Pace runner-up, Papi Rob Hanover was comfortably in front after quarter-poling to the point for David Miller following Captain Barbossa's unrealistic 25.3 opening panel. The son of Somebeachsomewher e-Panera Hanover reached three-quarters in 1:20.3, but he wasn't done yet, clicking off the final panel in 26.3. Sweet Truth was second-placed third,10-1/2 lengths back, while No Lou Zing was elevated to second.

Brett Pelling, who trains Papi Rob Hanover for David McDuffee, said he wasn't concerned that the swift mile might leave him short next week.
 
"He came out of the Meadowlands Pace great, and he proves he needs to race. He just needs more racing," Pelling said. "Every race has been better than the one before, so he's on the right track.
 
"Could he bounce off that? He's a big, strong horse. Nothing's ever knocked him around yet, so he'll be fine."
 
The time knocked a tick from Betting Line's previous world record. In addition, the mile is the fastest ever paced at The Meadows, lowering Bolt The Duer's former standard of 1:47.4.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 25, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
He didn't look sound after the race.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: chester on July 25, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
I hope its not true, but a friend of mine in the business says broken coffin bone, career over
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: NJ The best on July 26, 2020, 12:21:18 AM
We shall see . Brett is miserable in the morning we know
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Post by: dinkadoo on July 26, 2020, 07:38:13 AM
He didn't look sound after the race.
discussed on a facebook page that he pulled up badly and walked back to the paddock very sore by horsemen.
But then you read the Pelling interview regarding how fast he went and he didn't seem concerned... Sure Pelling has something for 'that'
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Post by: Poker King on July 26, 2020, 08:08:37 AM
I hope its not true, but a friend of mine in the business says broken coffin bone, career over
Could just be a foot abscess they look the same. Shadow Play was broken bone lame after the 1st heat of the Jug. The blacksmith cut the foot until he got to it put a bar shoe on and within an hour he won the 2nd and final heat of the Jug. Hopefully that’s all it is. If it’s a coffin bone break that also depends on what part of the bone it is and if it’s operable or not.
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Post by: myakaprince on July 26, 2020, 10:18:55 AM
I hope its not true, but a friend of mine in the business says broken coffin bone, career over
How can you make such a statement without PROOF? Do you think the trainer would say something by now? You MIGHT be correct but wait and see the FACTS first.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Seamus11 on July 26, 2020, 10:27:10 AM
Let’s be real though, either way, there is ZERO reason to push him to a 47.1 esp if not for huge money and/or in the Finals of a series.  Not saying it couldn’t happened at any speed... but definitely pushed him wwaaayyy to hard.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: myakaprince on July 26, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Syndication mile for his future breeding.
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Post by: NJ The best on July 26, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
Yes , remember Glidemaster before the Hambo elimination couldn’t walk they had the blacksmith on him day and night . Blair Burgess was thinking scratch him but they got him put back together. If it’s soft tissue who knows ?
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: dinkadoo on July 26, 2020, 11:35:35 AM
typically I ask -- do times matter anymore ?

but then doing that mile winning by 10 kinda shows me how fast he was.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: slimshady on July 26, 2020, 12:40:22 PM
"but then doing that mile winning by 10 kinda shows me how fast he was."

And how foolish his connections were to go that fast !!
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: PIGLAND on July 26, 2020, 01:14:30 PM
"but then doing that mile winning by 10 kinda shows me how fast he was."

And how foolish his connections were to go that fast !!
he was under wraps,honestly looked like he couldnt have gone any slower,as crazy as that sounds
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on July 26, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
I've know David Miller for 35 years. No way he asks that horse to go that fast up by 10 unless hes doing it easily
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: jupiter on July 26, 2020, 01:45:27 PM
Ya try and knock Dave Miller, remember they just took him off Real Cool Sam, that didn´t work out to well. He is one of the best big money drivers there is, horse UNDER wraps. Ya also have to wait and see what happens next sat, or until Bret says something which I highly doubt. Only thing I will add, Cams Card Shark was scratched lame at the Jug and never raced again.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Harness Stats on July 26, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
I don't know if the "injury" is true or not but that horse did it pretty much on his own.  Dave asked him to draw off down the back with a gentle reminder and had his whip over his shoulder the entire stretch.  If Captain Barbossa doesn't go 25.3 first quarter there would be no world record.  This horse (if he's OK ) is a true monster. Pelling probably thought it was a good "tightener" considering all the overland trips he's had this year.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: LUCPARK on July 26, 2020, 02:29:59 PM
THIS WAS LESS IMPRESSIVE THAN THE BIGM PACE

PAPI WAS A MONSTER THAT NIGHT

..

SHOULD HAVE WON PACE

JUST KEPT DRAWING CRAPPY POSTS
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 26, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
I don't know if he broke down but he was definitely sore after the race. Regardless, Brett needs to stay away from The Meadows. Got caught tubing Adios Day years ago and got a morphine positive after winning with The Panderosa.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Iceman on July 26, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Whatever the case may be it's similar to a fighter never knowing it's over. These trainers are never happy they just keep pumping the juice trying to get faster even if the horse has hit the wall. Going week after week and faster and faster something is going to go wrong.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 26, 2020, 03:23:31 PM
Whatever the case may be it's similar to a fighter never knowing it's over. These trainers are never happy they just keep pumping the juice trying to get faster even if the horse has hit the wall. Going week after week and faster and faster something is going to go wrong.
You're right Ice. They could have won that race in 150 but Pelling's ego is so huge, he couldn't handle the fact that Tall Dark Stranger is getting all the press as 3yo of the year. Even Yannick said Brett doesn't respect Tall Dark Stranger.
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Post by: AGUA CALIENTE on July 26, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
Of Course, Lucpark. STFU ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: help on July 26, 2020, 06:49:12 PM
Fastest time EVER by a 3 year old pacer.  How did he lose the Pace last week? He IS better than Tall Dark Stranger.

Was outside almost the whole mile.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Laag on July 26, 2020, 07:18:10 PM
can someone link the facebook page, alot of rampant speculation here

and TDS is the better horse til proven otherwise, not sure why so much trash talk on twitter for a horse that lost the Meadowlands Pace
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: help on July 26, 2020, 08:08:30 PM
Link the facebook page of what?
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Post by: firebolt on July 26, 2020, 10:57:06 PM
TDS will whip his lame ass
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Laag on July 27, 2020, 07:59:46 AM
TDS will whip his lame ass

the page where they claim the horse broke down
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MR.DALRAE on July 27, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
No coffin bone break,,,,up in air if he will race Saturday,,,,,,most likely not
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: jupiter on July 27, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
some times it takes a few days for a fractured coffin bone to show up on an x ray, will wait to hear something from  his connections
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: chester on July 27, 2020, 11:44:18 AM
Papi Rob racing career is over.
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Post by: helpplease on July 27, 2020, 11:55:08 AM
the page where they claim the horse broke down

I hear he has been placed on the Stewards List so that might make it impossible?
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: coryd03 on July 27, 2020, 12:17:21 PM
Broke down or not, I checked his eligibility and he is indeed on the stewards list for being lame. Hopefully nothing serious, but had to be real lame after that mile to get put on the list. I had one crack a coffin bone that only had a slight nod coming around the turn after the finish. Walked near normal. Xrays revealed cracked coffin next day.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 27, 2020, 01:32:35 PM
Broke down or not, I checked his eligibility and he is indeed on the stewards list for being lame. Hopefully nothing serious, but had to be real lame after that mile to get put on the list. I had one crack a coffin bone that only had a slight nod coming around the turn after the finish. Walked near normal. Xrays revealed cracked coffin next day.
After leaving winners circle, by time he got to paddock, he couldn't hit a pace.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: neverwin on July 27, 2020, 01:39:14 PM
Can you post where he is on stewards list?
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Post by: coryd03 on July 27, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
Pull is eligibility on the usta. Says it right at the top. I tried to post a screenshot but can't figure out how. Definetly on it though. Hopefully nothing serious and he can come back and be a top colt the rest of the season whether he's in the adios final or not.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: bond on July 27, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
There is nothing wrong with Papi that a decent trainer can’t fix. Nothing broken walking sound. He will train in front of Judge before the draw and checked out. If all ok he will be removed from Stewards list and race on Saturday. This horse is the best in the Country right now maybe the best since his Daddy. I’m his biggest supporter. Great horse great connections.
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Post by: half round full swedge on July 27, 2020, 02:00:05 PM
Getting an MRI. pulling out all the options for this horse.
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Post by: myakaprince on July 27, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Announcement this week standing stud at Hanover in 2021 for 6000 fee?
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Post by: neverwin on July 27, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
Hanover is good spot for him. Hope he has great babies. I thought he was the best this year. His Pace races were the most impressive.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: neverwin on July 27, 2020, 02:04:58 PM
Bond - do you want to bet if he races this Saturday?
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Post by: bond on July 27, 2020, 02:08:18 PM
My friend. All you can handle after Wednesday and we watch him train.
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Post by: neverwin on July 27, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
I dont want to after wednesday. I mean right now.
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Post by: chester on July 27, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
His racing career is over
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on July 27, 2020, 02:18:47 PM
There is nothing wrong with Papi that a decent trainer can’t fix. Nothing broken walking sound. He will train in front of Judge before the draw and checked out. If all ok he will be removed from Stewards list and race on Saturday. This horse is the best in the Country right now maybe the best since his Daddy. I’m his biggest supporter. Great horse great connections.
Hard to believe he is going to train before 9AM Tuesday which is when they draw.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: MR.DALRAE on July 27, 2020, 02:19:24 PM
His racing career is over

Just heard,,,his racing days are over,,,straight to breeding shed
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Buckjohnson on July 27, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
A Very Nice Horse!!! I hope to see him race again but if not then He will have a Great 2nd Career at stud. We need horses like Papi racing to create some rivalry between the good ones. The next meeting with TDS would be epic!!!Those two are in a class of their own for the 3 year olds. In my opinion this class is as deep a class as we have seen since 2012 and TDS and Papi tower above the rest!!!
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Post by: chester on July 27, 2020, 08:35:24 PM
Draw tomorow be there, don't get shut out.  Any shot of Roger calling the Adios?
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Post by: help on July 27, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
A Very Nice Horse!!! I hope to see him race again but if not then He will have a Great 2nd Career at stud. We need horses like Papi racing to create some rivalry between the good ones. The next meeting with TDS would be epic!!!Those two are in a class of their own for the 3 year olds. In my opinion this class is as deep a class as we have seen since 2012 and TDS and Papi tower above the rest!!!

Give Allywag another shot. He was out the whole mile in the M Pace.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: WTF Hanover on July 27, 2020, 10:36:41 PM
Papi Rob Hanover suffers broken coffin bone; done for at least this year

David McDuffee, the lone owner of world champion Papi Rob Hanover, told HRU Monday night that an MRI has shown that the pacer has suffered a broken coffin bone, will miss the rest of the racing season and is likely headed to stud.

“There’s no question there is a fracture there that will prevent him from racing this year, anyway,” McDuffee said of the career winner of $927,979 trained by Brett Pelling. “It’s, obviously, a very tough thing to even think about for him because I think everybody started to realize what a great horse he is and that his best days were, obviously, ahead of him.”

On Saturday (July 25), Papi Rob Hanover and regular driver David Miller recorded a 1:47.1 world record for a 3-year-old colt on a five-eighths mile track when he won his Adios elimination at The Meadows by 10-and-a-half lengths. On July 18, Papi Rob Hanover started from the 9-hole in the $636,650 Meadowlands Pace and lost an epic stretch duel with Tall Dark Stranger by a neck in a 1:47.2 mile.

McDuffee said while it is possible Papi Rob Hanover could race next year and beyond, his preference is to find a good stallion home for the son of Somebeachsomewher e out of Panera Hanover. The owner said he believes Papi Rob Hanover will be a breed-changing sire.

“I think he will probably go on to be one of the best stallions this sport has ever seen,” said McDuffee, a modest man who is not known to speak of his horses with such high praise. “He’s just an incredible animal and I would actually prefer to go that route than bring him back next year. I think he’s destined to become a great stallion and I say it because physically he’s the most impressive thing you ever looked at, he’s got conformation, he’s a smart horse – some horses are gifted, but they’re not too bright – he’s got everything going, including pedigree. My preference is to find a good home for him and more than likely I will.”

A full story about Papi Rob Hanover, with more thoughts from McDuffee will appear in Wednesday’s edition of Harness Racing Update.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Harness Stats on July 27, 2020, 10:47:24 PM
Horrible news.  At least the horse is OK. 

Always B Miki fractured both pasterns, got screws put in  and still came back to set the world record.  Coffin bone is worse but unless he has a low sperm count it's doubtful we will see this one again on the track.

Good luck to Mr McDuffee  and Papi Rob whatever the outcome
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Post by: NJ The best on July 27, 2020, 11:01:41 PM
Bottom line the plop always knows 👍
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Casualfan1 on July 28, 2020, 03:19:10 AM
I’d breed a mare to him in a heartbeat
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: PIGLAND on July 28, 2020, 07:32:21 AM
awful
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: jupiter on July 28, 2020, 08:01:45 AM
Always wait for the announcement from the horses connections, why speculate.
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Post by: Iceman on July 28, 2020, 08:03:30 AM
This is awful, end of story. There is no doubt a 47.1 was in the horse but IMO when these 3yr olds do it it's downhill from there. I always appreciated a big mile by a 4 yr old or older but in today's racing world it's like a college student pulling all nighters cramming for exams because racing is set up to make as much money and set record times and get to the breeding shed.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Mr_Ed on July 28, 2020, 01:03:28 PM
Going from a 1 mile track to a 5/8's can't help at all.

Is this true?
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: TimTimTimbo on July 28, 2020, 03:03:58 PM
“I don’t think his injury happened at The Meadows,” he said. “I believe it occurred in the Meadowlands Pace when he hopped for a moment and David (Miller) had to take hold of him. If he’d shown any signs of injury, we wouldn’t have raced him at The Meadows. You saw how easily he won his elimination.”

Quite possible.


Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Harness Stats on July 28, 2020, 03:55:06 PM
OK so IF it happened at the Meadowlands then that horse set a world record on a track that's at least a second slower than Pocono WITH a fractured bone.   How much of a monster is he?

McDuffee also said he won’t make a hurried decision on the horse’s future.

“It’s not a life-threatening injury; it will heal in time,” he said. “There could be a lot of records he could set at 4. Stallion-wise, he’s also generating a lot of interest. He’s a very special, smart horse. Papi Rob will be heard from again.”


Title: Papi Rob Hanover done
Post by: yonkersjeff on July 28, 2020, 05:54:20 PM


                Has a broken coffin bone.Done for year
                     Probably going to stud
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: help on August 01, 2020, 09:22:26 PM
A Very Nice Horse!!! I hope to see him race again but if not then He will have a Great 2nd Career at stud. We need horses like Papi racing to create some rivalry between the good ones. The next meeting with TDS would be epic!!!Those two are in a class of their own for the 3 year olds. In my opinion this class is as deep a class as we have seen since 2012 and TDS and Papi tower above the rest!!!
Give Allywag another shot. He was out the whole mile in the M Pace.

What a difference a few weeks make. TDS this. TDS that. No More Papi. Allywag hasn't seen the rail in 2 races and keeps on chugging for big pieces.
Title: Re: Papi Rob Hanover- Meadows Adios Elimination
Post by: Buckjohnson on August 03, 2020, 10:08:02 PM
Not taking anything away from Allywag. He is a nice Colt as well. I am just not sure Allywag can get around all the tracks. Might be best on the big ones. Could go huge at the Red Mile. IMO he seems to hit his knees or something going through the turns. Once he is straight he is lightning fast. Don't count out TDS. One race does not make a season. Still would have been fun to see them all compete. To be the best 3 year old you have to show up for 4 or 5 months and dance with the best. Time will tell who can do that.
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