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Title: Burke sick ?
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on June 29, 2020, 05:38:08 PM
Oh wait that’s me anyone else sick of seeing his name at every track
What a joke
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: dinkadoo on June 29, 2020, 05:51:50 PM
how many horses he listed as trainer -- that he has never even touched ?

Not that I have a problem with it. But if a horse is stabled in Ohio or Indiana, Is he the trainer or the manager of the horse ? The trainer responsibility rule just seems gray.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on June 29, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
Horses at every track 95% of horse world couldn’t pick him out of line up
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Brown jug on June 29, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
clearly has a number of assistant trainers sprinkled around all these tracks
impossible for him to know details on horses outside of home base
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on June 29, 2020, 06:47:42 PM
Like I said a joke
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Kirby's Ace on June 29, 2020, 08:33:11 PM
Is it a coincidence that his horse's has tailed off a bit since the drug scandal?

Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Fatboy on June 29, 2020, 08:35:31 PM
Is it a coincidence that his horse's has tailed off a bit since the drug scandal?

  Had nothing to do with nowhere to race agreed.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on June 29, 2020, 11:49:12 PM
I honestly don't know what his secret is. Special yogurt or something else. But I will say the guy truly works his ass off and can name every horse in his stable, their training schedule, what conditions they need to be in and more from memory
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: harnessplop on June 30, 2020, 01:47:37 AM
He speaks to lew williams thru a pyschic mediator
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Sweet Louis on June 30, 2020, 03:17:25 AM
First up I watched a show that was about him and like you said he knew at least 40 horses that were racing that day and knew the post and track...also hes from my area and someone showed me a pic of his office and he has 5 TVs and 2 computers so he can watch them race and set up their schedule...dont know what he does with the horses but he does work his ass off.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: mass hole on June 30, 2020, 03:44:00 AM
Anyone pulling off what he has done is remarkable....esp ecialy with so many racing and just everday operations....... how long can he go?
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: silent one on June 30, 2020, 05:32:58 AM
Anyone pulling off what he has done is remarkable....esp ecialy with so many racing and just everday operations....... how long can he go?
  As long as state commissions allow him to get away with using glaucine, oxycontin, and any other illegal substance, on horses.
   
         Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Locked in with pace on June 30, 2020, 05:46:55 AM
Interestingly, I have seen a tail off on the performance of many of his horses. Many were betting favorites too. It could easily be that COVID rules have changed the way he can run his stables
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on June 30, 2020, 08:45:30 AM
Covid from the couch
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 11:18:20 AM
Yeah Burke sucks lately  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

He brought over 6 horses from UK ..  In approx. 25 starts since they started including qualifiers they have lost 4 times.  3 times 2nd and one 3rd.  Yeah they raced against cheap horses for the most part because of the crap purses in GB and Ireland but the results speak for themselves. 

Two weeks ago Backstreet Shadow was one of the biggest overlays ever in the Roll With Joe.  Atlanta just missed by a whisker in her first start against Manchego.   

Some of the others are a bit slow to get into form,  mostly the older ones who are past their prime … So what? 



Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Calhoun on June 30, 2020, 11:31:15 AM

Two weeks ago Backstreet Shadow was one of the biggest overlays ever in the Roll With Joe. 
It always looks obvious 2 weeks after the race. 

Thanks for the hot tip.

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Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
It was obvious to me when it happened.  Best score I've had this year.  Been doing well with all the UK horses with him and the others that have them

Your welcome

I'm not trying to redboard just saying that this thread is mostly made up of jealous haters who have no clue to how Burke runs his operation and the work he and his main partners put into it
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Calhoun on June 30, 2020, 11:47:45 AM
It was obvious to me when it happened.  Best score I've had this year.  Been doing well with all the UK horses with him and the others that have them

I'm not trying to redboard just saying
Of course you're trying to redboard.

You just did it again.

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Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
Ok .. I touted the UK horses in a different thread before they even raced and I've been a Backstreet Shadow promoter in many threads before and after the lockdown

Sue Me  ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on June 30, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
Ok .. I touted the UK horses in a different thread before they even raced and I've been a Backstreet Shadow promoter in many threads before and after the lockdown

Sue Me  ngc3 ngc3

BS wasn't that great in the start prior.

Obvious winner to who, those that knew something others did not?
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
He didn't leave the gate in the start prior.  Wasn't trying to win that race.  He left hard in the Roll With Joe …. he was trying to win.

I didn't say he was an obvious winner either.  I said that he was an obvious overlay.   Bettor's Wish hadn't even won a qualifier and he was odds on first start as a 4 year old against older horses in a FFA.  Shadow should have been no higher than 2 to 1 and was 9/2 at the gate ending up 4 to 1.  That's the definition of an overlay.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on June 30, 2020, 12:49:33 PM
He didn't leave the gate in the start prior.  Wasn't trying to win that race.  He left hard in the Roll With Joe …. he was trying to win.

I didn't say he was an obvious winner either.  I said that he was an obvious overlay.   Bettor's Wish hadn't even won a qualifier and he was odds on first start as a 4 year old against older horses in a FFA.  Shadow should have been no higher than 2 to 1 and was 9/2 at the gate ending up 4 to 1.  That's the definition of an overlay.

He did leave the gate the start prior, I remember it well since I lost a large amount of cash on the race.

Mccarthy let tetrick courtesy tuck. Tetrick then pulled 1st up and caught cover late. He was absolutely trying in that race and the horse was very flat (and disappointing)

Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 01:10:39 PM
I also lost money on him that race.   We see it differently … Cool …  tmbz1

IMO Leaving and tucking isin't quite the same as blasting to the lead. I read it as a tour of the track in prep for a big money race as the way he raced wasn't his usual style and far beneath his latest qualifier. I blamed it on Tetrick not the horse.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: LUCPARK on June 30, 2020, 01:17:52 PM
It was obvious to me when it happened.  Best score I've had this year.  Been doing well with all the UK horses with him and the others that have them

Your welcome

I'm not trying to redboard just saying that this thread is mostly made up of jealous haters who have no clue to how Burke runs his operation and the work he and his main partners put into it

REBOARDING IS FUN tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on June 30, 2020, 01:27:22 PM
REBOARDING IS FUN tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3

Especially when you admit you're right only ten percent of the time.  That one time you hit it feels sooooo goood  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: slimshady on June 30, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
"I honestly don't know what his secret is. Special yogurt or something else. But I will say the guy truly works his ass off and can name every horse in his stable, their training schedule, what conditions they need to be in and more from memory."

That sounds like a stretch.   I know a much smaller operation, where there is a person needed to keep track of horses, conditions and races available.   And those horses are all at one facility.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Barnman69 on June 30, 2020, 04:46:23 PM
He has it all on line. And there is more then one person that helps
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: private ritual on July 01, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
Burke does it the right way. Treats it as a business. Hires former trainers to jog and train daily . his horses get out everyday no matter the weather. Hires the best vets ,injects hocks,ankles etc . Uses best feed and supplements. Buys quality stock and races them were the belong. Employs top drivers who drive for him and don,t play games. Not lazy , no excuses ,works hard and has a system that works 7 days a week 365 days a year.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: LUCPARK on July 01, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
Burke does it the right way. Treats it as a business. Hires former trainers to jog and train daily . his horses get out everyday no matter the weather. Hires the best vets ,injects hocks,ankles etc . Uses best feed and supplements. Buys quality stock and races them were the belong. Employs top drivers who drive for him and don,t play games. Not lazy , no excuses ,works hard and has a system that works 7 days a week 365 days a year.

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too many haters on this worthless forum
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Locked in with pace on July 02, 2020, 05:13:20 AM
watched a youtube video with Burke from 2 years ago. He talked about his overall stable. He mentioned how he doesn't have claimers any more. Now he has a lot. I know purses are better now but why the change of mind? Does the Burke/Weaver/Bruscemi group really need a 10 claimer? Any Thoughts?
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Locked in with pace on July 02, 2020, 06:10:29 PM
Curious though why Burke doesn't buy many New Zealand horses?
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: slivercharm on July 02, 2020, 10:20:38 PM
Guy is all class went to a block party in canonsburg at his house about 10 years ago was a great host. Told him I was from Crete spent many a night at balmoral he told me to come to meadows and watch him race really hooked me up. Def the best in the business. Lots of haters on here sad very sad
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: shotgunner on July 03, 2020, 11:05:13 AM
Curious though why Burke doesn't buy many New Zealand horses?
The hit percentage on them is too low for what you pay for his business model.
Title: Re: Burke sick ?
Post by: Harness Stats on July 03, 2020, 11:36:17 AM
The hit percentage on them is too low for what you pay for his business model.

Makes sense, he specializes in a lot of nickel breds that cost less than the shipping alone.  ngc3

He is starting to get into it more now.  Went to NZ last year to promote Sweet Lou and did buy a few horses who are still there.  He bought an Aussie last year that was good in Ohio and is now on the East Coast.  I would expect in the next few years to see more and more downunders in his barns.

He kills it with North American horses. He kills it with UK horses …. He'd kill it with whatever he got his hands on.   

Other than his preoccupation with Dragon Again's which will have to end soon since he's gone now, he and Mark Weaver have an eye for spotting horses that his system can improve.
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