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Title: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 19, 2020, 02:33:50 PM
What is your prediction for handle and what number would be consider a success / failure for the final number..... They have a unique advantage getting a head start as other tracks and states get ready to open...

I was thinking they would handle around 750k --  they will be helped with light thouroughbred schedule
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: The Exporter on May 19, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Sounds reasonable.  I would not be shocked if it was $250k higher or lower. Nobody knows what to expect from this Covid19 damage.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Cornholio on May 19, 2020, 03:17:47 PM
Im going to stay with my last month guess of 1.2 mill
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on May 19, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
You would have thought the entries would be posted on US Trotting......... .....by now.............. ........but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O........
will the "MOUTH" be there............ ........will SamStar ship to Scioto........... ........
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: horses first on May 19, 2020, 05:53:14 PM
Those numbers are all failures from a purse structure. OTB are still closed. No on track handle. The ADW is a small take % in the end game of handle especially funding a purse account more so when casinos are closed. I'm not sure how many races they will race nor the day purses given out. They will have to handle several millions to come close to funding the purses going out per a card.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: honest injun on May 19, 2020, 06:16:02 PM
IS TVG HANDLING SCIOTO
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: In front on May 19, 2020, 06:38:33 PM
Anything less than 3 million is abject failure
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: MR.DALRAE on May 19, 2020, 06:55:59 PM
Nowhere near 3m,,,not even in Their wettest dreams
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: horses first on May 19, 2020, 07:19:05 PM
Which means everyone that saying racing will gather all this handle(no other sports to wager) on the racing end but there unaware how much is needed to break par. Yet right nowhere close to 3.0mln which needs probably more then that to break even. I'm sure purses will be 125k or more.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 19, 2020, 07:29:00 PM
3 million ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

The only 3 they will be chasing is 300k






 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: seriously on May 19, 2020, 07:49:54 PM
Anything less than 3 million is abject failure

This is true in a perfect world, however, harness racing's own failures have made the replies to this statement the likely reality.   

Banning any bad actor from this point forward might show the public harness racing is interested in curing decades of bad behavior. 

But that is like wishing for the impossible. 

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 19, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
This is true in a perfect world, however, harness racing's own failures have made the replies to this statement the likely reality.   

Banning any bad actor from this point forward might show the public harness racing is interested in curing decades of bad behavior. 

But that is like wishing for the impossible.
problem is they could ban them -- all of them -- would anyone other than a harness bettor even know ?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: harnessontherise on May 19, 2020, 08:18:27 PM
$1.2 M
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 19, 2020, 08:22:04 PM
watched first two days of Q's

a lot maybe learned -- maybe not -- but saw one who likes to gamble reallllllly stiff one.....
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 19, 2020, 08:26:54 PM
300 k
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 19, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
187K
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 19, 2020, 09:21:05 PM
187K
good answer
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 19, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Thank You  tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: ryansdad on May 19, 2020, 09:28:55 PM
             $1,500,000.00

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on May 19, 2020, 11:23:50 PM
You would have thought the entries would be posted on US Trotting......... .....by now.............. ........but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O........
will the "MOUTH" be there............ ........will SamStar ship to Scioto........... ........

Entries posted after 6 PM............... .......meaning somebody got off their dead ass and read Da Plop............. ....... ;D
Bercury.......... ..not found............ ......... ngc3
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: polish jola on May 20, 2020, 05:01:07 AM
I was told they posted entries late because of 16 Qs at Scioto, then draw! I believe weekend handle close to $3 million!!  Got one in Friday and one Saturday.  TellMeLikeitis and GD!!  Hopefully can get $$$
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Dingus on May 20, 2020, 07:49:21 AM
I was told they posted entries late because of 16 Qs at Scioto, then draw! I believe weekend handle close to $3 million!!  Got one in Friday and one Saturday.  TellMeLikeitis and GD!!  Hopefully can get $$$

Good luck, but why initials for General Dolan?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: John Esposito on May 20, 2020, 07:08:38 PM
PROGRAM

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/drupal-assets/scioto/files/Race%20Program%20-%20Friday%2C%20May%2022%2C%202020.pdf

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: nickusak on May 20, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
thanks for the program. Cal expo handled almost 1.2 million when they were the last harness track running, with mostly 6-7 horse fields and only 10 races. I'd say Scioto gets between 1.8 and 2 million for the night Friday  11.wp
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 20, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
good betting card.
dont see a horse going off less than 8 to 5 all night
if that
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 20, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
thanks for the program. Cal expo handled almost 1.2 million when they were the last harness track running, with mostly 6-7 horse fields and only 10 races. I'd say Scioto gets between 1.8 and 2 million for the night Friday  11.wp
you gotta be jokeing
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: nickusak on May 20, 2020, 08:00:29 PM
you gotta be jokeing

facts guy! look it up. Plus Charlestown is racing, theyll lure some degen money from them in between races
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Jctoronto on May 20, 2020, 08:10:24 PM
Remember this..

As long as the qualifying line is 'tight' and 'interested', these guys can knock off 2-3 seconds in the 'real thing for the money' if they want.

All returning tracks can expect that.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 20, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
you gotta be jokeing

I agree with nickusac. First harness card in a long time. At least 1.5 for friday
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 20, 2020, 08:13:39 PM
I agree with nickusac. First harness card in a long time. At least 1.5 for friday
im thinking not many care about harness racing anymore . I hope im wrong . how did they not catch burke?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 20, 2020, 09:00:33 PM
im thinking not many care about harness racing anymore . I hope im wrong . how did they not catch burke?

Hang in there Pigland. Theres still a chance his name is going to show up on an indictment sheet somewhere. But i doubt very much if he was mixed up in any way with the surick gang
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 20, 2020, 09:11:16 PM
Hang in there Pigland. Theres still a chance his name is going to show up on an indictment sheet somewhere. But i doubt very much if he was mixed up in any way with the surick gang
i hope you are right,i keep hearing they got him but hasent been in the news,so sad to let him go free
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 20, 2020, 09:41:58 PM
God Bless you Pigland,you are truly a living legend  tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 20, 2020, 10:14:53 PM
im thinking not many care about harness racing anymore . I hope im wrong . how did they not catch burke?
on Scioto's side is that Churchill are not doing their Friday night cards and Santa Anita will be done around the 4th race. Los Al which will draw 200k in the pick 4 doesn't start till later.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Atthetrack7 on May 21, 2020, 07:53:32 AM
none of it will be mine, sounds like a great night to take in a drive in movie with the family
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Superfecta on May 21, 2020, 08:49:33 AM
i hope you are right,i keep hearing they got him but hasent been in the news,so sad to let him go free

What about Jen Bong Ho ???
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Jctoronto on May 21, 2020, 03:08:47 PM
Up here in Toronto otb champions hubs, avoid scioto downs like the plague most nights..one of few u.s. tracks that didnt cut deal with canada weg-ulators and thus force can. players on scioto to play for dollar minimums on any bet. FORGET IT.

Often scioto tv channel turned to another show every night I can remember.   

Friday night..rare chance for that joint to get some of our hefty harness betting bucks...but that wont last long with others' openings on horizon....a buck minimum for every scioto wager for us up here (like other hellholes pocono, yonkers, rosecroft, running aces) wont get it done.

Hope it all changes but dont see it.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: MR.DALRAE on May 21, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
Drf has them
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: MR.DALRAE on May 21, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Truely sad
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 21, 2020, 06:02:20 PM
buy a program on

DRF

come its only 2.50 cents

wdf

are you that broke

your beggin for a  free program,,

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: John Esposito on May 21, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
i want to bet friday and saturday cards at ScD BUT CANNT GET A PROGRAM
CAN ANYONE OF U KIND SOULS POST IT ON HERE FOR US GAMBLERS    THANK U KINDLY in edvance

SATURDAY NIGHT

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/drupal-assets/scioto/files/Race%20Program%20-%20Saturday%2C%20May%2023%2C%202020.pdf
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 21, 2020, 07:10:14 PM
Should have known why this forum is full of so many degenerate losing bettors.... a shithole in Ohio that usually gets zero play is first up after two plus months off and maybe one qualifier and clowns on here can't wait to lose cash. There are a small handful of real handicappers on here and they won't be touching this dump with a ten foot pole. Who said there was a sucker born everyday...... throwing darts at a tiny board.... GOOD LUCK
Correct.

Plop degenerates are predicting $2 Million handles for garbage welfare tracks.

There will be a thread... Pigland will last 2 races... LucPark will get robbed by a bad drive 5x... Various other Degens will be sobbing as usual.

And handle won't likely reach $300k. 

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 21, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Correct.

Plop degenerates are predicting $2 Million handles for garbage welfare tracks.

There will be a thread... Pigland will last 2 races... LucPark will get robbed by a bad drive 5x... Various other Degens will be sobbing as usual.

And handle won't likely reach $300k.

I SAY OVER 300K

LOSER BUYS DELROY DINNER FOR A WEEK,

BET?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: John Esposito on May 21, 2020, 07:33:16 PM
PROGRAM FOR FRIDAY

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/drupal-assets/scioto/files/Race%20Program%20-%20Friday%2C%20May%2022%2C%202020.pdf

i want to bet friday and saturday cards at ScD BUT CANNT GET A PROGRAM
CAN ANYONE OF U KIND SOULS POST IT ON HERE FOR US GAMBLERS    THANK U KINDLY in edvance
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 21, 2020, 07:38:20 PM
I SAY OVER 300K

LOSER BUYS DELROY DINNER FOR A WEEK,

BET?
that's a bet
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: old guy on May 21, 2020, 07:58:01 PM
Correct.

Plop degenerates are predicting $2 Million handles for garbage welfare tracks.

There will be a thread... Pigland will last 2 races... LucPark will get robbed by a bad drive 5x... Various other Degens will be sobbing as usual.

And handle won't likely reach $300k.

And Louie will be blowing up batteries.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 21, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
Should have known why this forum is full of so many degenerate losing bettors.... a shithole in Ohio that usually gets zero play is first up after two plus months off and maybe one qualifier and clowns on here can't wait to lose cash. There are a small handful of real handicappers on here and they won't be touching this dump with a ten foot pole. Who said there was a sucker born everyday...... throwing darts at a tiny board.... GOOD LUCK
Totally get it
But watching the Q's, cuz I had the time.... There were several 5th and 6th place finishers in the Q's plodding along while whomever was sitting behind them doubling them up down the lane.

Some stables look like duds --- others had them ready --- some looking to cash a ticket at potentially good prices as I bet a few of them are starting to feel the pinch of not racing...…
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Harness Stats on May 21, 2020, 08:09:03 PM
12 races …  25k a race is 300,000.   Luc's gonna win that bet .. Handle will be way over 300.  I'd lay 1/5 all on that all day long.  Not gonna be 2 mil either.  same odds.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Harness Stats on May 21, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
Friday's was already posted here yesterday by John.  Where did you find a free Saturday program? Only Friday's is posted on Trackmaster's site and my ADW only has Friday's available right now
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 21, 2020, 09:23:00 PM
12 races …  25k a race is 300,000.   Luc's gonna win that bet .. Handle will be way over 300.  I'd lay 1/5 all on that all day long.  Not gonna be 2 mil either.  same odds.

I'll say 900k
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 10:11:21 AM
program ready -- more Q's to watch this morning before heading to work tonight.

I wonder what management would consider success / failure ?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 10:29:03 AM
With no fans ( although not many go to the track ) all wagering is reliant on ADW....

A couple of years ago, there was an article in DRF. For some reason a lot of the big internet companies contracts were coming up. TVG, xpressbet and twinspires….

They discussed that the give back to tracks were usually 3-5%...

So tonight -- With Scioto the only harness game going this weekend. I was thinking about the numbers. Now granted their purses are inflated from the slot check they receive but what could a big weekend mean handle to purse...

say Scioto handles $1 million tonight.  At the top end lets say they get 5% or $50,000... Take 5% for track management, personnel, utilities and insurance.

So they are left with $45,000 from the ADW to pay purses....

Friday Purses equal $124,500... They would run out of money into 6th race.

If they had to race from actual wagers on possibly their greatest night with a 12 race card -- $3,750

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: chester on May 22, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Between 750 & 1 mil,  few tracks & similcast outlets open,  Goodluck Jola
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
MVG was probably averaging 30k handle a race.  I think Scioto will do 50k a race for a 600k handle or better.  Would be nice if they did 100k a race but will have to see it to believe it.  Still alot of folks that won't or can't open a online betting account. 
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 12:37:15 PM
Can't wait to bet against TEATRICK  tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 22, 2020, 01:17:35 PM
Can't wait to bet against TEATRICK  tmbz1
agree and gas and go merrymen . both non-drivers .
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: polish jola on May 22, 2020, 02:21:50 PM
I kind of like our chances tonight and tomorrow, with Sammy driving! I think we can get decent checks in both races!! 12th tonight, 5th tomorrow!
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: caddy on May 22, 2020, 02:57:19 PM
race

1---#7
2---#8
3---#1
4---#2
5---#7  was a monster in canada
6---#6  best bet
7---#4
8---#7  east coast invader
9---#9  tonites longshot special
10--#8  drops in class
11--#1  good luck to the esposito brothers..good guys
12--#8   20-1 morning line

good luck to all

race 1  - * -   #2  and  #3 are both solid
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
7th race #8 Impossible for the horse to get beat,i am serious,i heard,i know
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 22, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
im lowering my handle guess . 236k. I hear nobody wants to bet
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: polish jola on May 22, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Thank you, Sandra Lil, both will give a good account of themselves!!
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 03:41:54 PM
Thank you, Sandra Lil, both will give a good account of themselves!!

good luck john tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: polish jola on May 22, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Sorry, 11th, I stand corrected!!!
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
Sorry, 11th, I stand corrected!!!

Good luck John, she will be to short a price for me to use.

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 04:38:54 PM
im lowering my handle guess . 236k. I hear nobody wants to bet

Way to low!!!

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dbharness on May 22, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Can I view the "Q's" from Scioto?  I would like to see a few horses.

Also anyone have anyone they like or know thats trained up and ready tonight.  Always like a "lock" or hunch play.

Good Luck tonight!
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: TW on May 22, 2020, 04:47:18 PM
ScD qualifiers.  From USTA website.

Replays of will be available on the Trot and Pace website, www.trotandpacema rketing.com
(http://www.trotandpacemarketing.com).
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Wcase1 on May 22, 2020, 06:01:53 PM
r1 dd 1357w18
         1357w1
good luxx to ALL
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Jctoronto on May 22, 2020, 06:16:20 PM
Starting tonight...must have heard me a few days ago

In canada were allowed to embrace scioto this eve with 20 cent supers and 60 cent win 4s for the FIRST TIME EVER

Were in up here...handle should be strong
((though races full of qualifiers awfully hard to handi)

Good luck all
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on May 22, 2020, 06:26:04 PM
r1 dd 1357w18
         1357w1
good luxx to ALL

Dd
1247/13
Good luck wcase1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 22, 2020, 06:30:39 PM
Calhoun's Get Filthy Rich Play

r4

#5 My Tweed Heart



Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 06:30:53 PM
Race 1
Burke's horse sprinted off gate and looked good in Q and for a price, so did KK on the 4
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 06:33:34 PM
1st - 7 Duck Duck Dragon
2nd - 1 Wittyville

Pick Four - P4 (PWHL) 2, 3, 7 / 1, 3, 4, 6 / 1, 2 / 4, 5, 6

Good Luck To All.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: EPM on May 22, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
1st pick 4 478/146/237/123 Enjoy the card Men
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 06:37:42 PM
ooopss

just saw this thread ---

Race 1
7 and 4

Race 2
1 -- don't let the qualifier fool you... Page was riding back there.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 06:38:31 PM
race 1

2 horse 100 to win

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 06:39:06 PM
Scioto continuing with the new norm in harness racing tradition..

Post Time - 630p
Leave Paddock -- 632p
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 06:40:42 PM
delay mode,terrible,no excuses accepted
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 22, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
641
still walking around
horrible
coldnt they just got this one off on time then delayed the rest?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: American Sniper on May 22, 2020, 06:42:45 PM
post time 6:30   0 minutes to post for the last 13 minutes  and still going and going and going
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 22, 2020, 06:44:30 PM
another minute has passed

omfg
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 06:44:35 PM
absolutely ridiculous!!! A total joke
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 22, 2020, 06:44:59 PM
644 and stilll walking
what a joke
we finnally have an audicence and this is what we do to them

WE NEED BETTER MANAGEMENT
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 22, 2020, 06:45:50 PM
instead of being exicited for racing im already sour on the sport
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: silent one on May 22, 2020, 06:46:15 PM
  1st race went off at 6:46

    Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 22, 2020, 06:46:45 PM
instead of being exicited for racing im already sour on the sport
You're prolly just a miserable fuck in general.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 06:48:34 PM
Nice drive by Aaron in the first  ngc3
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 06:49:22 PM
Nice drive by Aaron in the first  ngc3

what the fck was that

I bet that horse

,,in out in out in

what the fck
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 06:51:29 PM
Race 1 Wagered

$127,493
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 06:51:30 PM
Nice start 1st Pool Total: $127,493
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 22, 2020, 06:53:20 PM
You're prolly just a miserable fuck in general.

nope just someone who doesnt want to see the sport tdie
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dbharness on May 22, 2020, 06:53:55 PM
You Beat me to it...
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: TW on May 22, 2020, 06:58:02 PM
It's as bad as fucking Northfield.  Bullshit.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 06:58:34 PM
nope just someone who doesnt want to see the sport tdie

omfg

pls

this is a gambling thread thanks
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 06:59:10 PM
Race 1 Wagered

$127,493


160k more

calhound has to treat delroy to food all week
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
75 win on 8

25 zacta ,,8/1

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
instead of being exicited for racing im already sour on the sport
nope just someone who doesnt want to see the sport tdie

Not trying to pick on you, but I don't understand? How does you being sour on the sport and not excited about the sport equal not wanting to see the sport die?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 22, 2020, 07:05:58 PM
iwas responding to calhoun
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
burke horses all ready

,,others not so

burkie daily double
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 22, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
MTP means minutes to post parade.

MTR means minutes to race.

Been like this for years.



Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 07:12:12 PM
race 3

out of the Q's

1 and 4
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 07:13:46 PM
hey dinkaddo whats the handle after 2

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Calhoun on May 22, 2020, 07:14:06 PM
r3 

betting the 5 heavy
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 07:14:23 PM
m js reflection

..race 3
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 07:16:03 PM
3rd - 2 Virginnaire
4th - 4 Western Secret A
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: American Sniper on May 22, 2020, 07:24:48 PM
great graphics putting up the double payoffs in the 3rd race
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
Both Rhoades horses bet and both empty.  Although on paper didn't deserve their morning line. 
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: EPM on May 22, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
R4 souper 23/123/12345/all
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
Both Rhoades horses bet and both empty.  Although on paper didn't deserve their morning line.
they mostly qualified poorly

the ones at Northfield were a little better.

his open mare in the 6th was the only one from Scioto that looked good.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 07:41:06 PM
They didn't post the stats on the LIVE feed after the second.....


Race 4

The 7 was kinda of sneaky in Q ---- he just rode at the back....

I have the pick 4 live  with the 2,4,5,7 but can't imagine it's paying much
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Dingus on May 22, 2020, 07:41:21 PM
they mostly qualified poorly

the ones at Northfield were a little better.

his open mare in the 6th was the only one from Scioto that looked good.

Missing the good stuff?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
Rhoades batting 500 at Northfield.   Just thought they would show a little more but give benefit of doubt only 2 starts so far.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 22, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
chris page
hat trick after 4 races
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
chris page
hat trick after 4 races
Speaking of that where is Danny Noble tonight?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: NJ The best on May 22, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
How are the pools ? Are people betting or watching ?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 07:52:33 PM
Over 140k in 1st race, saw there was about 47k in race 4.  Not sure about races 2 and 3.

Edit over 120k in 1st race.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: MR.DALRAE on May 22, 2020, 07:53:51 PM
JD HAS STOCK READY
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 22, 2020, 07:54:06 PM
Over 140k in 1st race, saw there was about 47k in race 4.  Not sure about races 2 and 3.
great job tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
JD HAS STOCK READY
JD a no show in Ohio for years.  Now bringing in all these horses from the East Coast.  Him and Hitchcock and some others.  Doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: MR.DALRAE on May 22, 2020, 07:59:15 PM
JD a no show in Ohio for years.  Now bringing in all these horses from the East Coast.  Him and Hitchcock and some others.  Doesn't seem right.

THEY SEEM FIT,,,,,,ONLY THE TRIP BEAT HIM IN THE SECOND
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
Oh yeah they are fit all right.  Just shouldn't be bringing them to Ohio just because we are the only show in town right now.  Should have put a condition that no horses are allowed that haven't raced in Ohio the past year.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 22, 2020, 08:11:08 PM
Merriman is having a rough night. Can't find a hole, horses seem short
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: NJ The best on May 22, 2020, 08:13:03 PM
I saw race 5 had 77000 total bet but 22000 of that was the pick 5 . I guess the numbers are good ? I don’t the track what’s there usual handle ?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 08:18:53 PM
Incredible how bad the racing is there
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 08:19:25 PM
I saw race 5 had 77000 total bet but 22000 of that was the pick 5 . I guess the numbers are good ? I don’t the track what’s there usual handle ?
I haven't looked up past handle but looks like they are doing at least double their usual handle.  Probably averaged 30-40k per race in the past.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: TW on May 22, 2020, 08:28:39 PM
TVG picked up the signal part way through race 6.  Will be interesting to see if that affects the handle.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 08:29:50 PM
Race 6 --

6 horse field


$83,181
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 08:33:52 PM
Race 7

#8, I know another Burke horse - but watching the Q's on the 16th --- this horse was the most impressive.

The 2 pulled and was chasing, yes against the winner of the Mare Open Rosemary Rose, but she pulled out of the hole and spun her wheels going a third quarter in 29.2  -- Driver change will make a difference.


8 - 23 - 23456
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on May 22, 2020, 08:46:48 PM
I told you clowns that Libbys idea could not get beat earlier in this thread,God Bless,good night
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
Suffice to say not going to get any decent payoff unless you can pick someone to beat Burke.  Always that way but even more so tonight.  Burke/Page combo is almost unbeatable at this stage.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 08:49:59 PM
race 8


$108,808
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: EPM on May 22, 2020, 08:50:19 PM
R7 34/347/1347/All
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 08:55:23 PM
Suffice to say not going to get any decent payoff unless you can pick someone to beat Burke.  Always that way but even more so tonight.  Burke/Page combo is almost unbeatable at this stage.
That was not a bad price --- my best bet of the night --- thought I would have gotten a better price on the one in the second race...

Mr Burke would like to thank Ohio for the pockets of money ……. Purses GOOD ? depends when you go behind the gate and you're racing for second monies....


Race 8

#4 Another Burke horse - and another that Page asked no trot out of just sitting in the bike in the Q

#7 made an easy move to be pass a tired one and was a gapped second to the Burke horse.

#1 Peggy Sue --- SNeaky --- Galliers really did nothing to let her trot in the Q   

Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
That was not a bad price --- my best bet of the night --- thought I would have gotten a better price on the one in the second race...

It was a ok price.  8 hole, now winner of last 4 albeit against better at Northfield.  Would have thought a little more than even money.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:11:22 PM
That was not a bad price --- my best bet of the night --- thought I would have gotten a better price on the one in the second race...

It was a ok price.  8 hole, now winner of last 4 albeit against better at Northfield.  Would have thought a little more than even money.
I get you on the even money price --- but is Burke and after the start he has had and in my opinion, this was the best looking horse that Qualified on the 16th..... Better than the Open Mare that afternoon.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: nickusak on May 22, 2020, 09:12:10 PM
anyone add up what the overall total is now?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:12:56 PM
That was not a bad price --- my best bet of the night --- thought I would have gotten a better price on the one in the second race...

Mr Burke would like to thank Ohio for the pockets of money ……. Purses GOOD ? depends when you go behind the gate and you're racing for second monies....


Race 8

#4 Another Burke horse - and another that Page asked no trot out of just sitting in the bike in the Q

#7 made an easy move to be pass a tired one and was a gapped second to the Burke horse.

#1 Peggy Sue --- SNeaky --- Galliers really did nothing to let her trot in the Q   

Race 8

101,254


I am at work, catching races as I can and missed a couple of pools
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
I like this 7 in the 9th race.  Perrin.  Tough trip in qualy.  The 5 had the easy trip winning the qualy.  If he gets a trip 7 might just be there.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:17:19 PM
Race 9

The #5 should be a short price --- he beat the third place Open trotter in race 8 pretty handily... Merriman was sitting chilly....

Long Shot -- #3 -- raced very easy in Q and KK never asked for trot --- not sure if he can go enough, but like I said on Wittyville from the second --- the Q was better than what it looks like on paper... Just not sure he's good enough.

#2 -- Lorentzon horses all qualified pretty good without too much urging.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 09:27:35 PM
Late Pick Four - P4 (PWHL) 2, 5 / 1, 3, 4 / 1, 4, 8 / 1, 2, 4, 5

9th - 5 Signal Hill
10th - 1 Trumpets
11th - 4 Artini
12th - 1 T C Scandal
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:31:50 PM
5-7-3 tri  73cv.2 tmbz1 ;D ngc3 tmbz1 73cv.2   should pay
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
yeah I had tri and exacta but didn't put your 3 in the for 3rd place.

edit I meant for high five  11.dt
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
5-7-3 tri  73cv.2 tmbz1 ;D ngc3 tmbz1 73cv.2   should pay
happy dance happy dance


Race 9

$147,053
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: seriously on May 22, 2020, 09:42:39 PM
Race 10 Scioto....pre-FBI investigation the #4 would have been even money and probably have jogged.  I'm guessing he'll quit and I'm hoping the #1 can pick up some pieces.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
Nothing stood out in the Q's for the 10th race....


Trumpets looked better than Manny L in the Q.... Aaron was doing a little more chasing, where as Trumpets did it on his own..... But you have the Greeno factor and doubt he gets a perfect two hole trip.

The Chris Beaver horses that Q at Delaware on Wed and Thurs looked good.... not sure how this one will go coming up from the south.

Race 11

#1 -- looked easy going in Q and was beaten by the winner of the 3rd race which was the other division of this NW $3500

#8 Rock The Baby --- shot off the gate and Josh sat chilly to the wire. Not a ton of speed in race.

#4 Artini -- made a rare move to the outside in a Q and was chased my Arod trying to catch the 8
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:46:50 PM
Race 10 Scioto....pre-FBI investigation the #4 would have been even money and probably have jogged.  I'm guessing he'll quit and I'm hoping the #1 can pick up some pieces.
I agree.  This 5 lightly raced last year in the money 6 of 8.  Not sure about that qually at Spring Garden with Artie Dick aboard.  159
2?  Ready??
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:50:33 PM
lil day drinking should make this tri pay good.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 09:53:53 PM
lil day drinking should make this tri pay good.
real good paying tri since the favorites came 1-2


Race 10


$74,717
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 09:56:13 PM
Id say that have to be pleased.  I was a little worried with the handle on the 2nd race, but looks like TVG and the gimmicks have picked them up.  Look to be on pace for 1.2 million.  Good to see!
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: NJ The best on May 22, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
That looks good to me .
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Id say that have to be pleased.  I was a little worried with the handle on the 2nd race, but looks like TVG and the gimmicks have picked them up.  Look to be on pace for 1.2 million.  Good to see!

TVG only showed 2&1/2 races so im not sure that helped much?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 10:04:50 PM
I think 1 is probably the winner in race 11.  Will key her with the 2, 4 and 8.  This 4 puzzles me.  Struggled in the quallys at Northville but Merriman had her going in the qually at Scioto.  28.4 final 1/4.  Worth a shot at 10/1.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: EPM on May 22, 2020, 10:12:41 PM
12th 14/145/1345/13456/1345678 Have Goodnight 🛌
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: nickusak on May 22, 2020, 10:14:05 PM
man they ran that race way too fast. shouldnt run this last one til they for sure over a million handle lol
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: SAW on May 22, 2020, 10:19:32 PM
man they ran that race way too fast. shouldnt run this last one til they for sure over a million handle lol

Should be no problem, they only need 51k in the last race.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 22, 2020, 10:35:51 PM
Race 11 with a daily double

$46,000

Race 12 with a pentafecta (16k in pool)

$106,000
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Overcheck on May 22, 2020, 10:41:21 PM
Race 11 with a daily double

$46,000

Race 12 with a pentafecta (16k in pool)

$106,000

Yeah looks like races 2 and 11 were the weak ones from just glancing at it.  8 and 9 horse fields.  Hard to figure.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: NJ The best on May 22, 2020, 10:50:53 PM
They cracked a million
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: horses first on May 22, 2020, 11:11:58 PM
Big deal only harness track and that's all they did. That's a sad number and the purse account was lucky to make up 40% of what they paid out tonight if that. A b track like TB downs 8k claimer will handle 65% of what the whole card of Scoito handled. Horse racing industry let the biggest gorilla in the room ADW evolve outside the sport and the sport gets peanuts in return. How long till fans get back inside the track. July, Sept, Oct, Nov, 2020? Or sometime in 2021?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Dingus on May 22, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
  1st race went off at 6:46

    Sincerely, Silent One

Part of the reason was the paddock meeting went over by a few minutes, but still no excuse for 13 minutes from The horses on track until actually race.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Racing Troll on May 22, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Part of the reason was the paddock meeting went over by a few minutes, but still no excuse for 13 minutes from The horses on track until actually race.

SO THE FUCK WHAT... IT IS NOT LIKE ANY OF YOU DEGENERATES HAVE JOBS TO GO TO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT..  JUST LIVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 22, 2020, 11:41:37 PM
Great job of handicapping dinkadoo   tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: xxmp22xx on May 23, 2020, 12:05:05 AM
J.D. Perrin.
From nobody to horses running out of their skin...
Hes got PEDs
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Locked in with pace on May 23, 2020, 07:16:55 AM
Does anyone know what Scioto handled last year for a Friday in late May?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 23, 2020, 08:00:35 AM
more than I expected . it doesn't support but about 3 races . but its a good start
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 23, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
Part of the reason was the paddock meeting went over by a few minutes, but still no excuse for 13 minutes from The horses on track until actually race.
the dragging out races to me is a big deal. Last night was an exception but I rarely watch races live. I make my bets and watch the replays, making notes on horse to watch their next start.

When I watch live or the rare occasion I am at the track, sitting aroud I'll probably will bet something -- extra money wagered.

I already have my bets set for tonight ---- betting 4 races.... Probably get to watch a couple.... But for the most part will stick to the 4 races, win or lose that's what they get from me.

Could you imagine a 28 year old college graduate playing a slot machine or hand of black jack.... the dealer gives you the first card, and then waits a couple of minutes to give you the next card ?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: LUCPARK on May 23, 2020, 08:50:26 AM
Does anyone know what Scioto handled last year for a Friday in late May?

ALMOST 1.1 MIL
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 23, 2020, 09:00:53 AM
ALMOST 1.1 MIL
about how much of that goes to purses?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 23, 2020, 09:13:20 AM
ALMOST 1.1 MIL

Scioto --- last year -- with every track going handled  1.1 million last year...  Really ??
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: dinkadoo on May 23, 2020, 09:14:55 AM
about how much of that goes to purses?
With no fans ( although not many go to the track ) all wagering is reliant on ADW....

A couple of years ago, there was an article in DRF. For some reason a lot of the big internet companies contracts were coming up. TVG, xpressbet and twinspires….

They discussed that the give back to tracks were usually 3-5%...

So tonight -- With Scioto the only harness game going this weekend. I was thinking about the numbers. Now granted their purses are inflated from the slot check they receive but what could a big weekend mean handle to purse...

say Scioto handles $1 million tonight.  At the top end lets say they get 5% or $50,000... Take 5% for track management, personnel, utilities and insurance.

So they are left with $45,000 from the ADW to pay purses....

Friday Purses equal $124,500... They would run out of money into 6th race.

If they had to race from actual wagers on possibly their greatest night with a 12 race card -- $3,750
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 23, 2020, 09:23:47 AM
With no fans ( although not many go to the track ) all wagering is reliant on ADW....

A couple of years ago, there was an article in DRF. For some reason a lot of the big internet companies contracts were coming up. TVG, xpressbet and twinspires….

They discussed that the give back to tracks were usually 3-5%...

So tonight -- With Scioto the only harness game going this weekend. I was thinking about the numbers. Now granted their purses are inflated from the slot check they receive but what could a big weekend mean handle to purse...

say Scioto handles $1 million tonight.  At the top end lets say they get 5% or $50,000... Take 5% for track management, personnel, utilities and insurance.

So they are left with $45,000 from the ADW to pay purses....

Friday Purses equal $124,500... They would run out of money into 6th race.

If they had to race from actual wagers on possibly their greatest night with a 12 race card -- $3,750
I thought tracks keep 50% and the othere 50% goes to purses? that would make it  25k to purses? or about $2000 purses starting next week if they can continue to handle 1 million per night.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on May 23, 2020, 09:26:54 AM
If horsemen didnt cheat more people would bet
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: PIGLAND on May 23, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
If horsemen didnt cheat more people would bet
I agree ,
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Dingus on May 23, 2020, 09:36:41 AM
ALMOST 1.1 MIL

Yeah, right!

Total handle on the 12-race program was $1,054,294.15, the second highest handle in history at Scioto Downs, a number that hasn’t been seen at the five-eighths-mile oval in more than 20 years.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on May 23, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
Scioto --- last year -- with every track going handled  1.1 million last year...  Really ??

No lol, 200,000
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on May 23, 2020, 09:45:01 AM
I thought tracks keep 50% and the othere 50% goes to purses? that would make it  25k to purses? or about $2000 purses starting next week if they can continue to handle 1 million per night.

This was five times their normal handle.   Pent up demand.   But after watching the cheating and intentional lack of effort will they get half that tonight?   Many won’t return for more of this shitty product.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Dingus on May 23, 2020, 10:07:12 AM
This was five times their normal handle.   Pent up demand.   But after watching the cheating and intentional lack of effort will they get half that tonight?   Many won’t return for more of this shitty product.

You would think guys that haven't earned any purse money for over 2 months would try their best with every horse, no?
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: Superfecta on May 23, 2020, 10:50:13 AM
NO. It's much easier to stiff a big favorite and cash a ticket. The trainers and drivers don't own a lot of the horses. The 5% share is shit. Cashing a ticket is much better.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: horses first on May 23, 2020, 10:56:02 AM
It takes a pandemic, 2.5 months of no live racing, the only harness track to be racing and it's a proud moment for the track to have its second highest handle in more then 20 years? With all that's happening and fans shutout from tracks and OTBs the lowest form of purse handle is in place. If this is the new norm look for major purse cuts especially if casinos suffer major revenue losses the next couple years.

ADW all states maybe different or it's all the same. But take CA 79.75 of that handle is returned to the public. The 21.25% is split into minor pieces of 11 or 12 different line items. One being purse return. If your a CA resident wagering on a CA track 5.35% will return to the purse. If your not a CA track it's just 2.79%. Spin a 20yr handle with no other tracks in play as something like "history" I call it a sad night for harness racing wagering. Somebody was kind saying purses would have ran out by race 6. More like after race 3 or 4 especially if a open was involved.
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: nickusak on May 23, 2020, 01:38:24 PM
Monday might be better, Fonner will be the only competition
Title: Re: SCIOTO DOWNS OPENING NIGHT
Post by: The Exporter on May 23, 2020, 03:48:52 PM
I thought tracks keep 50% and the other 50% goes to purses? that would make it  25k to purses? or about $2000 purses starting next week if they can continue to handle 1 million per night.
You are correct , Porky. And 5% would be on the high end.

 Lokk , there are two components that make up the greatest share of the pie when it comes to making a successful racing meet. One is the backing from the state the other is a expertly crafted market plan from management. Currently, neither party has the slightest interest in horse racing. Racing for OTB only is a disaster plan. Unfortunately, it is the only plan. 
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