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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: @ueenTwat on March 30, 2020, 06:57:06 AM
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With racing down for the foreseeable future there has been talk in Columbus that the legislature wants to repurpose some of our purse money that is not being used during this Corona Virus shutdown
Over my dead body.
We can not allow this dangerous precedent as it will just lead to further attempts by politicians raiding OUR nestegg for their pet projects. Call Renee and sign our petition demanding they stop this effort dead in its tracks. We are keeping track of the purse monies not being distributed to horsemen just in case track officials try to pull a fast one with what we worked so hard and long to receive
Remember, THIS IS OUR MONEY
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Bullshit. You did NOTHING to earn it.
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I tend to agree that the state gave you the money from Casino taxes. You didn't actually do anything to earn it. If it's not being used and they aren't going to add race dates, it won't be a hit to your budget. That money is better served somewhere else. Make your business self-sustaining and you won't have to worry about handouts. But who in their right mind would bet any decent amount of money on this sport with all the corruption? I love harness racing, but the outcome looks bad.
Unbelievable BS----Agriculture is an ESSENTIAL SERVICE--As a horseman you are classified as Agriculture.
Horsemen did nothing to deserve money from Casino taxes?? Asinine statement sitting on your ass typing from your computer doing fuck all. Who works to look after the horses?? Who trains them? who pays for the trucks, the feed, the hay,straw, bedding,fuel for the trucks, the workers who many have families etc etc--You want to take money that was LEGISLATED to them??
How about the Democrat Politicians who just voted to get 25MILLION as a handout ? They deserve that? Thats 46000$ a piece-why? they already earn plenty and are on a steady wage..
all THE CORRUPTION??=Well those horse killers are about to be looking at a new career-in jail.
There are 1000's of hard working people in the racing industry that work hard for their money-its anything but a handout.
Unlike the illegals,lazy unemployed,overpaid fat cat politicians etc etc-THEY dont deserve our tax money.
Lot of haters on this site-wish they would leave and make a new forum--just for the haters(most on this site) Then we here can at least have a decent place to place our ideas without getting torched by drop out haters who offer 0-just negativity which is counter productive..
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bond is right on here. casino money was law, horsemens share of revenue. that was part of the bills everywhere that allowed the casinos to open. and lets not forget that casinos are closed too. also right on politicians awarding themselfs more money Why? and a bigger WHY do we give illegals anything at all except a plane ticket home. what little racing gets from casinos is and should be theirs.
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With racing down for the foreseeable future there has been talk in Columbus that the legislature wants to repurpose some of our purse money that is not being used during this Corona Virus shutdown
Over my dead body.
We can not allow this dangerous precedent as it will just lead to further attempts by politicians raiding OUR nestegg for their pet projects. Call Renee and sign our petition demanding they stop this effort dead in its tracks. We are keeping track of the purse monies not being distributed to horsemen just in case track officials try to pull a fast one with what we worked so hard and long to receive
Remember, THIS IS OUR MONEY
I THINK THAT DWARF DeWine GOT TO OUR REP AND HE BE GOING ALL REPUBLICON ON US. PROLLY GOT HIM LINED UP FOR A CUSHY NO SHOW, RETIREMENT ON THE GOVT PAYROLL GIG, IN RETURN FOR HIS SUPPORT OF STEALING OUR MONEY HE WILL SELL US EVERYDAY HORSEMEN DOWN SHITTS CREEK FOR HIS STEAKS RACING BROTHERS. YOU WATCH AND SEE, AND READ IT HERE FIRST
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First handout MUST go to breeders.
Without them, there is no future.
If there is no future, why bother at all?
Don't all horses have SOME residual value?
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Unbelievable BS----Agriculture is an ESSENTIAL SERVICE--As a horseman you are classified as Agriculture.
Horsemen did nothing to deserve money from Casino taxes?? Asinine statement sitting on your ass typing from your computer doing fuck all. Who works to look after the horses?? Who trains them? who pays for the trucks, the feed, the hay,straw, bedding,fuel for the trucks, the workers who many have families etc etc--You want to take money that was LEGISLATED to them??
How about the Democrat Politicians who just voted to get 25MILLION as a handout ? They deserve that? Thats 46000$ a piece-why? they already earn plenty and are on a steady wage..
all THE CORRUPTION??=Well those horse killers are about to be looking at a new career-in jail.
There are 1000's of hard working people in the racing industry that work hard for their money-its anything but a handout.
Unlike the illegals,lazy unemployed,overpaid fat cat politicians etc etc-THEY dont deserve our tax money.
Lot of haters on this site-wish they would leave and make a new forum--just for the haters(most on this site) Then we here can at least have a decent place to place our ideas without getting torched by drop out haters who offer 0-just negativity which is counter productive..
Go swallow a bullet you fucking loser. I root every day for decoupling to take away WELFARE from scumbags like you. Give me a break with this hardworking line. There are tens of thousands of hard working people who lose their jobs because of progress. You're telling me everyone involved in harness racing is a harder worker than say, a coal miner? Why didn't coal miners get slots welfare? What's so special about horse racing? Nothing.
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bond is right on here. casino money was law, horsemens share of revenue. that was part of the bills everywhere that allowed the casinos to open. and lets not forget that casinos are closed too. also right on politicians awarding themselfs more money Why? and a bigger WHY do we give illegals anything at all except a plane ticket home. what little racing gets from casinos is and should be theirs.
Laws evolve to keep up with the times, dummy. You think harness racing deserves slots welfare for eternity for what reason, exactly?
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Go swallow a bullet you fucking loser. I root every day for decoupling to take away WELFARE from scumbags like you. Give me a break with this hardworking line. There are tens of thousands of hard working people who lose their jobs because of progress. You're telling me everyone involved in harness racing is a harder worker than say, a coal miner? Why didn't coal miners get slots welfare? What's so special about horse racing? Nothing.
Normally I would not answer an old fart like yourself-but you are a special kind of loser. Coal Miners?? Jerkoff.
A know all-who thinks he has answers to it all. You know fuck all about hard work-or about decent horsemen.
Why are you even on this site-except to insert your im better than thou chronic BS.
If your cap was made of dynamite it would not be strong enough to blow off your head-ahole.
You can jump back on that horse you rode into town on and go fuck yourself- pencil pusher.
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Laws evolve to keep up with the times, dummy. You think harness racing deserves slots welfare for eternity for what reason, exactly?
welfare?? GSAC ahole---Harness racing is LEGISLATED to get a % of slots REVENUE. Its why they are called RACINOS. The Casino companies would not be there WITH THE RACING-if it wasnt a PARTNERSHIP.
If you were in charge-there would be no racing-and many participants WOULD then BE ON WELFARE.
So now instead of the Casino paying their % to the racing--the participants out of a job-sitting on their ass and now will be on WELFARE paid for by you AHOLE.
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welfare?? GSAC ahole---Harness racing is LEGISLATED to get a % of slots REVENUE. Its why they are called RACINOS. The Casino companies would not be there WITH THE RACING-if it wasnt a PARTNERSHIP.
If you were in charge-there would be no racing-and many participants WOULD then BE ON WELFARE.
So now instead of the Casino paying their % to the racing--the participants out of a job-sitting on their ass and now will be on WELFARE paid for by you AHOLE.
The only reason it was a "partnership" is because of the gambling laws at the time. There's this thing called progress. Laws and funding change because of that. Good luck getting public sentiment on the side of racing when the time comes to raid those slots welfare accounts. Good luck presenting the "hard worker" defense, when some of the biggest trainers in the sport just got indicted for a huge conspiracy of drugging poor animals. The end is coming and you're too blind to see it. Horsemen could have had some foresight, made some changes to the game, and made it sustainable for the long haul. Instead, greed, as always, won and the idiots couldn't get fat enough off of the purses. Threw every drug in the book at the poor animals to get that extra dollar. Good riddance.
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Decoupling - much easier said than done. Especially in the larger horse populated states.
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The only reason it was a "partnership" is because of the gambling laws at the time. There's this thing called progress. Laws and funding change because of that. Good luck getting public sentiment on the side of racing when the time comes to raid those slots welfare accounts. Good luck presenting the "hard worker" defense, when some of the biggest trainers in the sport just got indicted for a huge conspiracy of drugging poor animals. The end is coming and you're too blind to see it. Horsemen could have had some foresight, made some changes to the game, and made it sustainable for the long haul. Instead, greed, as always, won and the idiots couldn't get fat enough off of the purses. Threw every drug in the book at the poor animals to get that extra dollar. Good riddance.
Im sorry you lost your $2 show bet-you obviously have no regard for decent hard working horsemen of whom there are many.
You choose the negative-because of your blind hatred betting on horses that lost--typical disgruntled loser-see them all the time tearing up tickets and blaming everyone except themselves-because thats why its called GAMBLING.
We all know slots are rigged--but funnily enough I dont hear you complaining that all Casinos should shut-because the HOUSE has the advantage.
You choose to keep portraying the scumbag horsemen as somehow representing everyone.
Thats why there are Laws--horse killers should be in Jail.
However-the racing Industry-is AGRICULTURE-no matter how you slice it. Harness racing is indeed in trouble--not for what you are spouting-but because of corporate greed.
The Casinos-make more money fleecing retirees like yourself-from their social security checks-than they do from harness racing which admittedly-has been very poorly run-but received no support from the Casinos-which partnerships are supposed to do.They want to get rid of it now-so they can use the facilities and not pay their legislated % thereby increasing their profit margins. So instead of MANY harness racing personnel keeping their jobs and receiving income--it will go to a FEW fat cat Casino Operators.
It will cause farms to close-and instead of seeing horses running in green pastures-you will be seeing shopping malls and retiree villages.
Not something I for one would like to see-but disgruntled Gamblers-dont give a shit.
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There is going to be a lot of sobbing on this thread.
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It is far worse than even I thought.
The sobbing... Is.. Uncontrollable... Inconsolable...
Trump DID say to expect a massive increase in suicides.
Let us pray.
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i don't need to reply because bond is on point and 100% correct
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i don't need to reply because bond is on point and 100% correct
You should review the contract your horsemen's group signed.
You think the money flows forever?
Look at the poor slobs in Florida who signed the first thing put in front of them.
Look at the Vernon contract.
No, you don't need to respond.
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Try to find another way to make a living? Forget it.
Trump 2020!
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contracts with government are not worth the paper their written on ask ontario horsemen
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you obviously have no regard for decent hard working horsemen of whom there are many.
I have regard for all hardworking people, not just the ones who were lucky enough to have a legal loophole for a gambling monopoly. Why do you think horsemen are special people that deserve special rights?
You choose the negative-because of your blind hatred betting on horses that lost--typical disgruntled loser-see them all the time tearing up tickets and blaming everyone except themselves-because thats why its called GAMBLING.
Unlike you, I know the risks involved and don't bank on government handouts to make up for my mistakes in life.
We all know slots are rigged--but funnily enough I dont hear you complaining that all Casinos should shut-because the HOUSE has the advantage.
Slots are "rigged" yet customers choose to play them about 1000000% more than play harness races. Go figure.
You choose to keep portraying the scumbag horsemen as somehow representing everyone.
Suppose they aren't. If they don't have the most power then the people that do are far more negligent in making a clean sport that was sustainable for the future.
Industry-is AGRICULTURE-no matter how you slice it.
Again, you say this as if it has some special significance--it doesn't.
The Casinos-make more money fleecing retirees like yourself-from their social security checks-than they do from harness racing which admittedly-has been very poorly run-but received no support from the Casinos-which partnerships are supposed to do.
If they were supposed to be "partnerships" and not merely forced to hand over bribe money in exchange for a gaming license, then the horsemen that signed the contracts should start litigation for breech of contract. They don't do this because they would be laughed out of court.
It will cause farms to close-and instead of seeing horses running in green pastures-you will be seeing shopping malls and retiree villages.
I'm not sure if you're aware but something like 90%+ of farms in the US disappeared by the end of the 20th century and we're doing just fine.
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The word ENTITLED is thrown around a lot. Welfare was designed to give a hand up...not a hand out. It was to give a person a chance to make it on their own...not support them forever. Same principle applies to horse racing.
You sound like you want all the Ohio Horseman to default on our new truck payments
Hey DeWine... don't let those Corono patients from the state up nort, to cross our border Turn the House, into The Hospital
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The good hardworking horsemen did nothing but sit back and watch their sport go in the shitter because they thought they were all set when they got the slot money. They turned a blind eye, supported the drug abusers or joined in the party to rob the gamblers"who were the lifeblood" out of their money without giving a fuck. The horsemen were lucky to get the money they got out of the slots but all things end. The biggest thing the horsemen did was drive out the little guys and the big money barns spent more on pre-racing and making the industry look like shit! Patrick is right.
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The good hardworking horsemen did nothing but sit back and watch their sport go in the shitter because they thought they were all set when they got the slot money. They turned a blind eye, supported the drug abusers or joined in the party to rob the gamblers"who were the lifeblood" out of their money without giving a fuck. The horsemen were lucky to get the money they got out of the slots but all things end. The biggest thing the horsemen did was drive out the little guys and the big money barns spent more on pre-racing and making the industry look like shit! Patrick is right.
Of course you agree with Patrick-you both dislike the Sport--no idea why you come on this site-other than to dispense hatred.I would hate to be in your shoes. Never one good idea or positive vibe from any of your posts. We all know you got it up the ass-Im sorry about that.Let it go- I think you will be better for it.
In any venue in life when you are in a partnership-you BOTH have to do your best to make your business work.
I agree fully with both of you that harness racing did very little to entice anyone to come to the track or make it very attractive to gamble.The Casinos-on the other hand did 0 to work with the horsemen-because it was not in their best interest-and thats where the partnership started to deteriorate.Contr acts put into place were not in horsemens best interest other than the small % from the Casino. One partner wanted the other gone and the other partner did very little to help themselves or to discourage the other from not helping by working together..
The good horsemen are still there--they just changed course.
The cheats-congregated in areas that allowed them to cheat-no barn raids,no out of competition testing,Vets running amok with pre race and injecting PE that went unchecked.This is the area where only the FBI could help-because people like Joe Faraldo-protected these cheats from the commission and made it impossible to catch them . The FBI proved this part to be true-because look who they raided--Allard and Banca-both trainers for Faraldo. Surick was the informant-as his phone was bugged and he had very shady connections-and was running amok at Freehold with every other horsemen there complaining about him-until they finally put the nail in his coffin.Greed will bring you Karma every time. Sadly--removing the cheats-wont do much to revive the Sport. What is needed is new technology and ideas to make people WANT to bet. Sure removing cheats gives people confidence-but if truth be told-gamblers bet on the cheats-because they cheated to WIN-and you dont make money gambling on LOSERS.
So gamblers may have more confidence that the sport is cleaner-but why would they bet more?
There is no advertising, no perks for the gambler, no great facilities to watch and wager at places like Yonkers(all gone), no help from the Casino-which may have happened early on-but hard to do now. Hell-families cant even go to most tracks-as they are barred from the Casino! Harness really needs to follow the example of successful tracks and give the gambler incentives to bet-they are out there-and we better start using them.
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How about the Democrat Politicians who just voted to get 25MILLION as a handout ? They deserve that? Thats 46000$ a piece-why?
False!
https://www.morningsun.net/zz/news/20200330/fact-check-did-house-give-itself-pay-raise-in-coronavirus-relief-package (https://www.morningsun.net/zz/news/20200330/fact-check-did-house-give-itself-pay-raise-in-coronavirus-relief-package)
A whole generation of a certain segment of the population brainwashed by Fox Faux News and conservative radio. Think I'm FOS? If you're brainwashed, you wouldn't even know you are.
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prior to corvid 19 if you had visited a track like gulf stream or santa anita you would see what live racing/entertainment could be and how to not only survive but thrive
of course t breds have dump tracks as well but they have the high end tracks harness does not to attract the affluent and the younger generation
there is no need to attack harness racing and calling for its demise, the governments did just fine allowing slots onto the race track facilities and suggesting that governments could use current funds better is nonsense ( governments are the worst allocators of your tax dollars), and like it or not harness racing does employ a large number of people who otherwise would be on unemployment
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False!
https://www.morningsun.net/zz/news/20200330/fact-check-did-house-give-itself-pay-raise-in-coronavirus-relief-package (https://www.morningsun.net/zz/news/20200330/fact-check-did-house-give-itself-pay-raise-in-coronavirus-relief-package)
A whole generation of a certain segment of the population brainwashed by Fox Faux News and conservative radio. Think I'm FOS? If you're brainwashed, you wouldn't even know you are.
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Big Trump guy...
First to stick out BOTH hands to take WELFARE.
And now it's gone.
And he's got his hands out still.
And crying like a beaten baby seal all the time.
Fucking dummy.
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Bond,
First off I’ve always respected your opinions, as each one of your posts display a well thought out insight to the topic at large. Doesn't mean I always agree with what's written, and this is one such time.
Digressing from the specific topic at hand relating to Ohio horsemen, I fail to embrace at anytime has there ever existed a genuine “partnership” between the racing and casino industries. Simply put, the casino developers had to subsidize the racing industry in order to build on an existing racing facility, and pay for the right to do so. That’s about where this so called partnership ended. By and large though the casino's were offering a product to the public that was sought after, not the other way around.
Bear in mind I’m a current owner and have owned pieces of about 40 horses since 2005. Long time fan of the game (and gambler) dating back to the late 1970s, so it’s not that I don’t have a tangible and intangible interest in this industry’s survival. I still love the game.
In the end though this is still a retail business, in the gaming/entertainment industry, with a definitive need for an end user (the public). That being said there are simply no end users anymore, much having do to with an aged fan base, technology innovations, and most of all changing desires of what people what to gamble on with their discretionary $. Couple that with an industry that had absolutely no foresight into investing in itself going forward after having had many years of opportunity (with so called partnership $), it's simply now one on life support, no mater who works in it.
There have been many “hard workers” in many industries that are now defunct or significantly scaled back so the hard worker notion has no merit here or anywhere. Travel agents eliminated by Travel websites, newspaper workers eliminated by online media blogs, back office admin workers replaced by automation and outsourcing just to name a few. Similarly casino gambling, onsite or online, as a product way preferred over horse racing, in particular harness racing.
Changing times here, nothing more.
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Of course you agree with Patrick-you both dislike the Sport--no idea why you come on this site-other than to dispense hatred.I would hate to be in your shoes. Never one good idea or positive vibe from any of your posts. We all know you got it up the ass-Im sorry about that.Let it go- I think you will be better for it.
In any venue in life when you are in a partnership-you BOTH have to do your best to make your business work.
I agree fully with both of you that harness racing did very little to entice anyone to come to the track or make it very attractive to gamble.The Casinos-on the other hand did 0 to work with the horsemen-because it was not in their best interest-and thats where the partnership started to deteriorate.Contr acts put into place were not in horsemens best interest other than the small % from the Casino. One partner wanted the other gone and the other partner did very little to help themselves or to discourage the other from not helping by working together..
The good horsemen are still there--they just changed course.
The cheats-congregated in areas that allowed them to cheat-no barn raids,no out of competition testing,Vets running amok with pre race and injecting PE that went unchecked.This is the area where only the FBI could help-because people like Joe Faraldo-protected these cheats from the commission and made it impossible to catch them . The FBI proved this part to be true-because look who they raided--Allard and Banca-both trainers for Faraldo. Surick was the informant-as his phone was bugged and he had very shady connections-and was running amok at Freehold with every other horsemen there complaining about him-until they finally put the nail in his coffin.Greed will bring you Karma every time. Sadly--removing the cheats-wont do much to revive the Sport. What is needed is new technology and ideas to make people WANT to bet. Sure removing cheats gives people confidence-but if truth be told-gamblers bet on the cheats-because they cheated to WIN-and you dont make money gambling on LOSERS.
So gamblers may have more confidence that the sport is cleaner-but why would they bet more?
There is no advertising, no perks for the gambler, no great facilities to watch and wager at places like Yonkers(all gone), no help from the Casino-which may have happened early on-but hard to do now. Hell-families cant even go to most tracks-as they are barred from the Casino! Harness really needs to follow the example of successful tracks and give the gambler incentives to bet-they are out there-and we better start using them.
A list of "successful tracks" would bolster your argument here. After all is said and done with latest cheating scandal, just how much "success" we gonna see?...
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Bond,
First off I’ve always respected your opinions, as each one of your posts display a well thought out insight to the topic at large. Doesn't mean I always agree with what's written, and this is one such time.
Digressing from the specific topic at hand relating to Ohio horsemen, I fail to embrace at anytime has there ever existed a genuine “partnership” between the racing and casino industries. Simply put, the casino developers had to subsidize the racing industry in order to build on an existing racing facility, and pay for the right to do so. That’s about where this so called partnership ended. By and large though the casino's were offering a product to the public that was sought after, not the other way around.
Bear in mind I’m a current owner and have owned pieces of about 40 horses since 2005. Long time fan of the game (and gambler) dating back to the late 1970s, so it’s not that I don’t have a tangible and intangible interest in this industry’s survival. I still love the game.
In the end though this is still a retail business, in the gaming/entertainment industry, with a definitive need for an end user (the public). That being said there are simply no end users anymore, much having do to with an aged fan base, technology innovations, and most of all changing desires of what people what to gamble on with their discretionary $. Couple that with an industry that had absolutely no foresight into investing in itself going forward after having had many years of opportunity (with so called partnership $), it's simply now one on life support, no mater who works in it.
There have been many “hard workers” in many industries that are now defunct or significantly scaled back so the hard worker notion has no merit here or anywhere. Travel agents eliminated by Travel websites, newspaper workers eliminated by online media blogs, back office admin workers replaced by automation and outsourcing just to name a few. Similarly casino gambling, onsite or online, as a product way preferred over horse racing, in particular harness racing.
Changing times here, nothing more.
Respect to you as well pickfourny--at least arguments not filled with hatred-and well thought out opinions-is what I still come to this site for.
I am also an owner-and my income does not come from harness-just that my family going back generations-always had interests in Harness-I love and I mean LOVE the Sport. That said it could end tomorrow and financially would not affect me-but it would be a huge hit emotionally as something Ive always loved since a kid would be gone-that hurts.
Going back to your post--you have to go back to when the union between Casino and Harness came to be. To me it turned out that the Casino was like a Trojan horse. They offered to be partners-and offered enticing % in their profits to help a flagging Sport and help it get on its feet. What then happened-and what the horsemen didnt count on-is that the Casino right from the getgo-went about hamstringing the Racing. They removed facilities for racing slowly but surely, reduced the staff concerned with racing,offered no incentive whatsoever to join in any kind of combined gambling efforts. Racing helped their own demise-by doing nothing constructive to increase handle and allowing certain trainers to dominate by using drug testing that was 25 years behind the times.Then if someone did a violation they gutted the small trainer-while the big trainers went about their business as if nothing happened for similar violations.Same as you pointed out-they failed to keep up with modern times-just presented the same product as they did when racing went into a nosedive 20 years ago.
I believe the Industry needs fresh innovation-and it may never happen-agreed.
Gamblers these days need action and incentive to bet-the Casinos are popular because you can bet quickly and keep the adrenaline going-the enticement to WIN BIG-IS ALWAYS THERE. No one would be in a Casino if you cant win big. Like a mouse going for cheese-you need something to make it go where you want. Thats the action racing needs--offer bets that if you win-you win really big.I know we have bets that are similar but they need tweaking and promotion enticements. Thats how the Triple Trio in Hong Kong works--you can become a multi multi millionaire for $1-by picking 3 trifectas in a row. Ive seen payouts of over 100 MILLION to one winner. Cant happen in Harness with the pools we have-but with a bit of thought and $$ it should be way better than now.Using racing thats the same as now-lineups-is crazy--offer a few races with a lot of horses in it going over a distance longer than a mile-can increase handle if attractive betting options are included online and at the track. Many other ideas--just no one cares--sad as with some support from the Casinos-they can all make more money.
"Similarly casino gambling, onsite or online, as a product way preferred over horse racing, in particular harness racing".
Agree on the Harness but not so much on the Tbreds. The Tbred handle is very high online and at the track. No way would the Casino get rid of them.Harness can learn from them. Some Tbred tracks oseas even have the Casino right on the track like here-and few bet there-nearly all gambling is done on the racing. Harness boat is sinking-hopefully they can bail the water out. Removing the cheats by the FBI is a start.
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Back in the day professional handicappers in harness racing made their money off of the dead money in the pools. Slots came and the dead money went there, add to that the race fixing and peds and most bettors left harness and handicappers were left out in the cold.
I favor places like the exchange that operates in NJ and many places worldwide. Much easier to make money when there are no pari-mutuel pools where all the money comes in so late there is nothing you can do about it.
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Back in the day professional handicappers in harness racing made their money off of the dead money in the pools. Slots came and the dead money went there, add to that the race fixing and peds and most bettors left harness and handicappers were left out in the cold.
I favor places like the exchange that operates in NJ and many places worldwide. Much easier to make money when there are no pari-mutuel pools where all the money comes in so late there is nothing you can do about it.
Nothing worse than betting a 4-5 shot who winds up at 1-9 after the late $ comes in.
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Back in the day professional handicappers in harness racing made their money off of the dead money in the pools. Slots came and the dead money went there, add to that the race fixing and peds and most bettors left harness and handicappers were left out in the cold.
I favor places like the exchange that operates in NJ and many places worldwide. Much easier to make money when there are no pari-mutuel pools where all the money comes in so late there is nothing you can do about it.
You hit the nail right on the head. Tbreds-offer many many betting options and have larger fields than 1/2 and 5/8 harness tracks-that allows places like exchanges to work. Exchanges wont come near harness with their small fields and lineups--thats why it needs to change. Maybe at the Meadowlands-but thats the only place it would work.Hopefully it will come-but Mr Gural has his finger in the pie-may be a problem. Its unbelievable how much action exchanges make overseas. Exchanges only work however-if the track makes money off it and it does not affect their handle too much on the tote-if it does-then they will not want it--thats why you may need to restructure the gambling if exchanges are to become more popular here.
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Nothing worse than betting a 4-5 shot who winds up at 1-9 after the late $ comes in.
Except if he loses and you never would have bet a penny at 1 - 9
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Removing the cheats by the FBI is a start.
The fact that you think this is a "start" and not the end shows how clueless you truly are.
The fact that it took a multi-million dollar FBI investigation to bring down some of the most blatant and obvious cheaters in harness shows the state of the game.
You talk about casinos wanting a partnership and to help out a 'flagging' game.
Horse people were like drug addicts who promised to get clean if they just got some money. Instead of getting clean they went out and bought a shitton more drugs. Both figuratively and literally.
You think a person can only talk about something they like if they are only positive all of the time. Have you ever been to any forum for a sport team? You can criticizing something you like and/or love. Additionally, I've made eons of recommendations over the years that I liked to see happen in this sport. Why put any effort into caring about something that puts no effort into fixing itself?
Let me ask this: has any person on here received a single email from a track during the shutdown? I've gotten hundreds of emails from places I've done business with letting me know their stance on Coronavirus, thanking me for loyalty, all of that jazz. Basic customer outreach. Where is horse racing in this? They show how much they don't care about your business, why should we care about theirs?