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Title: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brkn Headpole on February 10, 2020, 03:13:34 PM
How much of a dump Meadows is...just send this race video to Gov. Wolf to show how much horseman want welfare.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on February 10, 2020, 03:22:19 PM
Just watched the replay,Dave was a stone cold stiff,I need a Xanax,TRAVESTY!!
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brkn Headpole on February 10, 2020, 03:24:20 PM
What about Cory Kreiser....he ripped the horses head off so bad tugging on lines the horse almost broke.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Harness Driver on February 10, 2020, 03:30:32 PM
 hey c'mon it is early in the year, cant go running out of class so early in the year    11.wp
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brown jug on February 10, 2020, 03:57:55 PM
ummm,
didn't dave palone win the race???
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Partner on February 10, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
As a horseman myself, I'm actually embarrassed! Kreider deserves to be arrested.  Judges need to outlaw that shit. One of the worst I've seen!
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PIGLAND on February 10, 2020, 04:42:24 PM
they must do something
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: old guy on February 10, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
Wow
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PIGLAND on February 10, 2020, 06:17:47 PM
very bad for racing,those drivers do not deserve slot welfare
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: harnessplop on February 10, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
Game is dead laddies
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brown jug on February 10, 2020, 06:57:20 PM
i will agree, the drive on # 2 was pathetic, waiting and waiting for palone and then once palone passes he makes sure he gets second
never takes his hand out of the holds until at the wire
cant last long , i think their take outs are high
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Three Wide on February 10, 2020, 07:32:32 PM
Cory Kreiser is a crook and is an embarrassment to the sport. He's one of the "top trainers" at The Meadows, yet 5 years ago, couldn't train a dog to bark. He's a chemist and a cheat. Look at his horse in race 9 at The Meadows today... that horse is 5, had 38 starts last year alone in NW1, magically being 2nd or 3rd the majority of those starts. He should not be allowed to have a license.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PIGLAND on February 10, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
very bad
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 10, 2020, 08:21:09 PM
i will agree, the drive on # 2 was pathetic, waiting and waiting for palone and then once palone passes he makes sure he gets second
never takes his hand out of the holds until at the wire
cant last long , i think their take outs are high

Funny thing was the 4, who was 2nd over behind Palone, pulled 3 wide at the top of the stretch because he thought Palone was finished.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: seriously on February 10, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
Just send the replay along with why harness racing should not be funded to a few politicians.  Screw contacting any racing commission.  Put a little pressure on them about the evils of racing and how funds should be directed elsewhere.  Do this enough and you will see some results.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: silent one on February 10, 2020, 09:45:34 PM
 Just watched the replay. Bill Popfinger would be proud.

      Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on February 10, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
They should take Popfingers scene out of Easy Money and use this one instead. It's more blatant
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Jctoronto on February 10, 2020, 10:48:50 PM
This may not agree with many here but..probably rate a few fuckoffs but..


Yes..#2 c kreiser deserves time.

HOWEVER

He won't get it because he DELIVERED. 
He DELIVERED a competitive and tight second on a horse that was win shy from multiple starts and raced to program lines in the form...he DID HIS JOB.  The commission would respect that every day of the week.
And strictly from a gambler point of view,, keying that horse second on all tickets...despite the ridiculous and damned bogus 7/5 morning line, would be very realistic spot to lock in to.
On any exactor ticket 3 (palone on for cshaw, jmiller HAS to be better) & the 7 over the keyed 2 was a very reasonable result.

At any rate..glad everyone had chance to vent....but there are other events more worthy of protest.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Partner on February 10, 2020, 11:20:14 PM
This may not agree with many here but..probably rate a few fuckoffs but..


Yes..#2 c kreiser deserves time.

HOWEVER

He won't get it because he DELIVERED. 
He DELIVERED a competitive and tight second on a horse that was win shy from multiple starts and raced to program lines in the form...he DID HIS JOB.  The commission would respect that every day of the week.
And strictly from a gambler point of view,, keying that horse second on all tickets...despite the ridiculous and damned bogus 7/5 morning line, would be very realistic spot to lock in to.
On any exactor ticket 3 (palone on for cshaw, jmiller HAS to be better) & the 7 over the keyed 2 was a very reasonable result.

At any rate..glad everyone had chance to vent....but there are other events more worthy of protest.
you're a buffoon! And he did not "do his job"... his job is to try to win and could have won by open lengths. Past performances don't mean shit, nor do the odds! This was flat out worthy of a severe punishment and even as a fellow horseman, I hope he gets one. We are scrutinized enough and don't need people like this tarnishing our already bad appearance
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on February 11, 2020, 04:04:39 AM
I agree with Partner. I'm a driver and shit like this is a terrible look. He has to get set down
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Zoooooming By! on February 11, 2020, 07:31:45 AM
He wanted to keep the horse in NW1. Did not look so good doing it.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: upthetrack1234 on February 11, 2020, 08:49:05 AM
This is a daily occurrence at the Meadows. Blatant stiffing to stay in the class. The only good thing is it always the same cast of characters doing this.... so keying them 2nd and 3rd on the ticket is always a good thing 👍🏻
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 11, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
This is a daily occurrence at the Meadows. Blatant stiffing to stay in the class. The only good thing is it always the same cast of characters doing this.... so keying them 2nd and 3rd on the ticket is always a good thing 👍🏻

So true.
When they want to win, they list the big 5 to drive- Palone, Hall, Wilder, Merriman, Pantaleone.
Otherwise, the trainer drives or they list the less successful drivers.  And it's amazing how the top ones are given a hole, but the less successful ones wind up parked the mile.
Hmmm
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 11, 2020, 10:01:15 AM
i will agree, the drive on # 2 was pathetic, waiting and waiting for palone and then once palone passes he makes sure he gets second
never takes his hand out of the holds until at the wire
cant last long , i think their take outs are high

Takeouts are some of the lowest in Harness racing. And its illegal to take your hands out of the handholds.
The drive was terrible but Jesus Christ if you cant come up with anything thats not fucking retarded besides that, don't say it.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 11, 2020, 10:13:07 AM
The only possible excuse that I can see is that he MAY have lost control of his whip when he reached down to pull the ear plugs. I'd rather he have it trapped against his chest then have it fall into the hobbles of the horse behind him. But then he manages to get it back right before the wire, you can actually see him shifting it in his hands. So who knows.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brkn Headpole on February 11, 2020, 11:40:08 AM
The only possible excuse that I can see is that he MAY have lost control of his whip when he reached down to pull the ear plugs. I'd rather he have it trapped against his chest then have it fall into the hobbles of the horse behind him. But then he manages to get it back right before the wire, you can actually see him shifting it in his hands. So who knows.


You are quite the excuse maker.. it was a pure fucking stiff you moron.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PIGLAND on February 11, 2020, 11:50:04 AM
hearing today for the driver,judges are saidto be going to set an exa.ple
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: upthetrack1234 on February 11, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
Kreiser always drives his own who finish underneath on the ticket. Very easy to handicap that angle. When the horses are on go, he lists a real catch driver.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: jupiter on February 11, 2020, 12:35:33 PM
Where did Cory Kreiser get the $ to do what he does. Never had anything till a couple of years ago now wins races and owns most of his stock. Don think he woke up one day and became a trainer with cash to spend. He is a joke
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 11, 2020, 01:36:08 PM

You are quite the excuse maker.. it was a pure fucking stiff you moron.

Did some little bitch lose $2 on it? I clearly outlining the only possible reason besides it being a stiff. Dont be a cunt.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Calhoun on February 11, 2020, 01:41:36 PM
Good thread

We're all learning a lot here.

Thanks everybody.

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Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on February 11, 2020, 01:44:15 PM
As a Pennsylvania resident as someone Who is fighting to keep the money and Argues that stiffing is the problem. Let's make sure if there was something that happened here. That isn't swept under the rug. If we want the money to continue we need to make the races honest, which is the number one problem as I have said for years. For so many opinions to be the same here. Something must have been a r i anyone at The Meadows know if anything is being done on this?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: wiggles44 on February 11, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
https://streamable.com/ipe8i (https://streamable.com/ipe8i)
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: dinkadoo on February 11, 2020, 04:59:53 PM
https://streamable.com/ipe8i (https://streamable.com/ipe8i)
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when I followed Hoosier, I saw rat horses in NW2 have $20k on their card that couldn't get a check in a 4 claimer. good trainers and drivers make an art form out of finishing 2nd and 3rd
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on February 11, 2020, 05:27:00 PM
https://streamable.com/ipe8i (https://streamable.com/ipe8i)

disgusting
judges better have seen that
and DO SOMETHING
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: DeeJennerit on February 11, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
This is all well and good, but how do I get my money that his stiffing cost me?  I'll tell you how: I DON'T! That's why smart folks say goodbye to betting on horse racing.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PIGLAND on February 11, 2020, 05:30:55 PM
This is all well and good, but how do I get my money that his stiffing cost me?  I'll tell you how: I DON'T! That's why smart folks say goodbye to betting on horse racing.
you are so right,very sad.hard to blame oeople for walking away,these scumbag horsemen think slot welefare gonna last for ever
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 11, 2020, 09:20:55 PM
As a Pennsylvania resident as someone Who is fighting to keep the money and Argues that stiffing is the problem. Let's make sure if there was something that happened here. That isn't swept under the rug. If we want the money to continue we need to make the races honest, which is the number one problem as I have said for years. For so many opinions to be the same here. Something must have been a r i anyone at The Meadows know if anything is being done on this?

My trainer at the meadows heard it might be 30 days
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: D. PaLoan on February 11, 2020, 10:49:28 PM
nice to see you closet Meadows suckers talking about the race on Mon, but then again you suckers never believe, so which is it, made it clear many times its a business, so the Shaw boys, Kreiser put me across, Team Paloan puts many of them across, Team Paloan just makes it look better, Pants, Mike, Rebel Dan and yours truly have a good thing going with the judges, it is nice to see you Paloan closet lovers talking about the Meadows, Ringo as you suckers call him, took his share also, so keep sending it in, keep bitching, because when your bitching you are sending it in, and Team Paloan takes the money home again, hey Wed post time 1 pm and you suckers know you will be there, so BE THERE, Adios suckers, more surprises coming, Adios
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: DeeJennerit on February 12, 2020, 03:05:29 PM
nice to see you closet Meadows suckers talking about the race on Mon, but then again you suckers never believe, so which is it, made it clear many times its a business, so the Shaw boys, Kreiser put me across, Team Paloan puts many of them across, Team Paloan just makes it look better, Pants, Mike, Rebel Dan and yours truly have a good thing going with the judges, it is nice to see you Paloan closet lovers talking about the Meadows, Ringo as you suckers call him, took his share also, so keep sending it in, keep bitching, because when your bitching you are sending it in, and Team Paloan takes the money home again, hey Wed post time 1 pm and you suckers know you will be there, so BE THERE, Adios suckers, more surprises coming, Adios

Nice to see a closeted illiterate come to life.  Go get hooked on phonics or something you fuck.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
My trainer at the meadows heard it might be 30 days
Heard the same rumor. Will wait in see.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on February 12, 2020, 07:36:45 PM
GOT 120 DAYS AND $5000.00     NO STAY IF APPEALED
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 12, 2020, 07:51:59 PM
GOT 120 DAYS AND $5000.00     NO STAY IF APPEALED

Wow- 4 months.
Is that suspension for driving only or training too?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Partner on February 12, 2020, 07:56:44 PM
GOT 120 DAYS AND $5000.00     NO STAY IF APPEALED
good on him... deserves every bit of it!
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 08:15:36 PM
Dayyyyyuuuummmmmm
I expect some apologies if this is true.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 12, 2020, 08:42:01 PM
120 days 5k??? How true is this well deserved if true
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on February 12, 2020, 08:43:19 PM
I think the judges did an awesome job and the commission backed them up.  Obviously the severity of the penalty indicates it was discussed up top. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 12, 2020, 08:47:55 PM
I think the judges did an awesome job and the commission backed them up.  Obviously the severity of the penalty indicates it was discussed up top.

I agree but I can’t find it on USTA so who knows how true this could be
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
I agree but I can’t find it on USTA so who knows how true this could be
Samstar is in the know.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 12, 2020, 09:19:06 PM
Samstar is in the know.

He has some Good connections only one who can have a over .500 average last 3 years and never get to see the detention barn #samstarhaspower
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
He has some Good connections only one who can have a over .500 average last 3 years and never get to see the detention barn #samstarhaspower
He buys ready made horses for 100-125k and races them against 40-80k horses. Cheapest thing in the barn is probably worth 60k.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 12, 2020, 09:57:21 PM
Samstar is in the know.

My trainer there confirmed the penalty and it’s for driving and training.
Penn National Gaming was serious on this 1.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
My trainer there confirmed the penalty and it’s for driving and training.
Penn National Gaming was serious on this 1.
He claimed one today. Ouch
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 12, 2020, 10:26:59 PM
He claimed one today. Ouch

Ouch is right feel bad for his owner when they don’t let him move horses to someone else
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 11:18:39 PM
sounds like your the cunt for defending an obvious criminal!
You dumb piece of shit. I said the only possible excuse for his actions was for safety. And that by him whipping near the wire made that even more unlikely. Can't you fucking read?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 12, 2020, 11:20:03 PM
SO TRUE -

THEY AINT GETTING MY MONEY

BUT WHY DO THESE FOOLS KEEP BETTING ON SUCH THIEVES?

ITS ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING HOW SOME PEOPLE CANT RESIST
Some how not surprising that you buy into anything that idiot spews out.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: JOHN FRANK on February 13, 2020, 12:29:13 AM
WHO THE FUC CARES. Get a life.
If you all young enough: SIGN UP ARMY.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 13, 2020, 12:41:48 AM
GO SUCK A DICK YOUR HORSE STIFFING FUCK
Not surprising you don't have any actual comeback. That would require brains. What a sad sack of shit you are
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: JOHN FRANK on February 13, 2020, 12:50:06 AM
Here a JOHN FRANK ARMY IDEA.
DON'T bet the SHITHOLE.
No money comin in bettin,THE DUMP racing will shut down. Regardless of SLOTS.
But you ASSHOLES bet the DUMP.
I'M ill listening to you STUPID uneducated MORONIC IDIOTS.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Jctoronto on February 13, 2020, 07:36:22 AM
If stiff suspension true..
You Harness Horseplopsters DESERVE TO TAKE A BOW...you would be the reason any action taken.


Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: seriously on February 13, 2020, 12:59:14 PM
https://www.legis.state.pa.us

Pick out a few from the House and Senate and let them know what you think about harness racing in the state of Pennsylvania.  Little is done internally, so put a little more pressure on them from the outside. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: D. PaLoan on February 14, 2020, 08:52:31 AM
it was a sucker at the fence that called the Feds, FBI came in talked to the drivers in question, but won't touch Team Paloan, why, because Team Paloan makes it so believable, judges only got involved because the FBI did, please, you suckers on the Plop had nothing to do with it, and by the way, Team Paloan needs a few more donations from you handicappers, and I use that term loosely, trust me SamStar ain't no saint either, cobalt, blood builders, EPO  all being used at Paloan Downs, testing, what fuxxxxxx testing, ain't none, we got more beards then a barber shop full of the Amish Mafia, and don't forget to be there today suckers, Post Time 1 pm, Team Paloan wants to give you some more special love on Valentines Day, BE THERE
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 14, 2020, 09:23:05 AM
it was a sucker at the fence that called the Feds, FBI came in talked to the drivers in question, but won't touch Team Paloan, why, because Team Paloan makes it so believable, judges only got involved because the FBI did, please, you suckers on the Plop had nothing to do with it, and by the way, Team Paloan needs a few more donations from you handicappers, and I use that term loosely, trust me SamStar ain't no saint either, cobalt, blood builders, EPO  all being used at Paloan Downs, testing, what fuxxxxxx testing, ain't none, we got more beards then a barber shop full of the Amish Mafia, and don't forget to be there today suckers, Post Time 1 pm, Team Paloan wants to give you some more special love on Valentines Day, BE THERE

Bill (Samstar), do you have a response for this guy?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on February 14, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
If you respond to assholes, you come out smelling like shit. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on February 14, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
If you respond to assholes, you come out smelling like shit.

 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 14, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
If you respond to assholes, you come out smelling like shit.

Good answer   ngc3
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Atthetrack7 on February 14, 2020, 03:38:15 PM
 I have always thought of Dave Palone  as the greatest  driver in the history of the sport, you want to think otherwise. Lots of jealous people in this industry
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: wiggles44 on February 14, 2020, 04:07:40 PM
emailed the video link to television stations in pittsburgh and surrounding areas

 11.dt
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 14, 2020, 05:55:52 PM
https://youtu.be/6BJKEeoorSc
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 14, 2020, 06:02:06 PM
If you respond to assholes, you come out smelling like shit.
still nothing on USTA about this kreiser guy samstar might of been wrong...
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 14, 2020, 07:11:46 PM
still nothing on USTA about this kreiser guy samstar might of been wrong...
Heard from multiple others 120 days and 5k from PA.
Think they are letting him race the horses he has entered.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Bernie Madoff on February 14, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
I have always thought of Dave Palone  as the greatest  driver in the history of the sport, you want to think otherwise. Lots of jealous people in this industry




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Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brkn Headpole on February 14, 2020, 08:29:23 PM
still nothing on USTA about this kreiser guy samstar might of been wrong...

just a timing issue with report...will be on next weeks fines & susp
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on February 14, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
Dave has the brain power to beat about anybody.  He is better prepared than any other driver in every race he is entered in and is ready to pounce on mistakes.  Just saying.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: upthetrack1234 on February 15, 2020, 06:57:46 AM
Kreiser spotted at IHOP filling out a job application.... jus sayin
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: davenchop on February 15, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
100% all made up bullshit... anyone who believes anything on this site is not quite undestanding the source.....
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: jupiter on February 15, 2020, 10:35:26 AM
who will be the beard for him
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 15, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
who will be the beard for him
This isn't exactly a big time stable that got popped.
Best guess is the Shaw's  or his Dad.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 15, 2020, 11:09:49 AM
This isn't exactly a big time stable that got popped.
Best guess is the Shaw's  or his Dad.

Weren’t the Shaw’s his family growing up?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on February 15, 2020, 11:50:45 AM
If you respond to assholes, you come out smelling like shit.

Gee samstar makes one think doesn't it............... ...you telling me Arod doesn't own a silent piece of your horses........... .........you are correct.......... ......the shit is starting to smell..........an d the stench is coming directly from Slippery Rock and New Brighton......... ......
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 15, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
Gee samstar makes one think doesn't it............... ...you telling me Arod doesn't own a silent piece of your horses........... .........you are correct.......... ......the shit is starting to smell..........an d the stench is coming directly from Slippery Rock and New Brighton......... ......
Least this is a better conspiracy theory then Inman owning a piece of Bercurys horses.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on February 16, 2020, 06:46:54 PM
That is what the New Brighton comment is about. I do have a partner but I assure you she is not silent. If Arod wanted to partner with us we would certainly consider it but he has never asked and we kind of like being on our own..  If We make a mistake, we can sell without repercussion and move on. We are pretty much an open book but I guess there is always an ass wipe out there who is to lazy to build his own operation so he tears every one elses down. Aaron is like family to us and we think he is as good as they come.
   
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on February 17, 2020, 07:53:56 PM
Another brilliant drive by kreiser race 2 today  4-5 and doesn’t pull
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: ferdinand the bull on February 17, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
Why Did they let him even drive in another race, should have been an immediate suspension
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on February 17, 2020, 11:22:55 PM
100% all made up bullshit... anyone who believes anything on this site is not quite undestanding the source.....

Not quite, Jack:

The Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission

Ruling Number: 20027M

Ruling Date: 02/12/2020

PA Code Title 7-205, 405, 205.456, 205.501 (14). Mr. Kreiser while driving #2 APP HANOVER in the 2nd Race at The Meadows on February 10, 2020, did not put forth his best effort to win by failing to drive his horse to the finish. This is conduct detrimental to the best interest of racing. Mr. Kreiser is hereby fined $5,000 and issued a full suspension of his license for 120 days beginning February 23, 2020 through and including June 21, 2020. During the term of suspension, Mr. Kreiser is ruled off all grounds under the jurisdiction of the PSHRC and deemed a disqualified person. Any trainer transfers of horses in his care must be approved by the Judges at The Meadows. The fine is due within 10 days of this ruling. Mr. Kreiser has 10 days to appeal this decision to the PSHRC, Bureau of Standardbred Racing.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Npower45 on February 18, 2020, 12:48:54 AM
This is news just because it looked so bad.. It happens 5-10 a week at all tracks that have nw1234 with no cap dollar amount. Most blame should be on the race secretarys because unless they’re blind they know what’s going on. Most of those horses win a race they are 4 claimers at Monti racing for 1500  is why they don’t want to win. The Meadows for example could nail multiple drivers every week for the same thing if they wanted but the judges won’t unless I guess a frenzy starts on plop.  The fools are anyone who bets a dime those races.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on February 18, 2020, 10:25:40 PM
This is news just because it looked so bad.. It happens 5-10 a week at all tracks that have nw1234 with no cap dollar amount. Most blame should be on the race secretarys because unless they’re blind they know what’s going on. Most of those horses win a race they are 4 claimers at Monti racing for 1500  is why they don’t want to win. The Meadows for example could nail multiple drivers every week for the same thing if they wanted but the judges won’t unless I guess a frenzy starts on plop.  The fools are anyone who bets a dime those races.


Ding ding ding
Simple solution is make it money earned instead of wins
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on February 20, 2020, 06:47:15 PM
Least this is a better conspiracy theory then Inman owning a piece of Bercurys horses.

Samstar - That is what the New Brighton comment is about. I do have a partner but I assure you she is not silent. If Arod wanted to partner with us we would certainly consider it but he has never asked and we kind of like being on our own..  If We make a mistake, we can sell without repercussion and move on. We are pretty much an open book but I guess there is always an ass wipe out there who is to lazy to build his own operation so he tears every one elses down. Aaron is like family to us and we think he is as good as they come.

Ah yes, Bob Inman............ .....why don't you tell us about Bob.............. the infamous "swim to win" guy.............. ....glad you recognized the name Samstar.......... ....why don't you tell us about the hot test............. .the Fed Ex box and John Marshall......... ......come on Samstar fess up............... why don't you tell us what happened after Bob got tossed........... ..........and who Bob teamed up with at Moutaineer Park............. ....come on Samstar time to blow your cover............ ......
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 20, 2020, 07:31:39 PM
Samstar - That is what the New Brighton comment is about. I do have a partner but I assure you she is not silent. If Arod wanted to partner with us we would certainly consider it but he has never asked and we kind of like being on our own..  If We make a mistake, we can sell without repercussion and move on. We are pretty much an open book but I guess there is always an ass wipe out there who is to lazy to build his own operation so he tears every one elses down. Aaron is like family to us and we think he is as good as they come.

Ah yes, Bob Inman............ .....why don't you tell us about Bob.............. the infamous "swim to win" guy.............. ....glad you recognized the name Samstar.......... ....why don't you tell us about the hot test............. .the Fed Ex box and John Marshall......... ......come on Samstar fess up............... why don't you tell us what happened after Bob got tossed........... ..........and who Bob teamed up with at Moutaineer Park............. ....come on Samstar time to blow your cover............ ......

Why don't you just say it? 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Fatboy on February 20, 2020, 07:43:28 PM
GOODBYE SAMSTAR
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brown jug on February 20, 2020, 08:31:44 PM
 a pretty hefty suspension and fine , nice to see
the real key now is will there be follow up action on some of the bigger fish when they pull similar garbage

purple, your comment is accurate  and would avoid some of this nonsense
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on February 20, 2020, 09:10:54 PM
As a Pennsylvania resident as someone Who is fighting to keep the money and Argues that stiffing is the problem. Let's make sure if there was something that happened here. That isn't swept under the rug. If we want the money to continue we need to make the races honest, which is the number one problem as I have said for years. For so many opinions to be the same here. Something must have been a r i anyone at The Meadows know if anything is being done on this?

Here comes Howard Taylor........... ....... and Chris McErlean getting involved now.............. ........
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 21, 2020, 10:33:38 AM
Here comes Howard Taylor........... ....... and Chris McErlean getting involved now.............. ........
Cory is selling his horses and has at least a few sold already.
Seems highly unlikely Taylor get involved here.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Jazzman on February 21, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
can we please get these judges to come to weg and clean up the mess there
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Npower45 on February 21, 2020, 03:25:43 PM
Come on now if the judges deserve it they would have done something years ago. If plop didn’t call them out nothing happens. Those judges could give same fine and suspension too 5 drivers a week. That Bud goes to plop!
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Brown jug on February 21, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
please refer to previous thread on the topic started feb 10
and yes if the judges at all tracks took a harder line  the product would be much better and gain new followers/gamblers
the problem is currently the judges are inbred with the trainers and drivers so most times they don't do anything unless it is realty bad
as I said before they put the hammer down on corey, lets see if they follow up on others
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on February 21, 2020, 04:06:18 PM
Zero percent due to Plop.
Trainers/drivers/owners/MSOA/judges/Penn national all were on this before Plop.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Fatboy on February 21, 2020, 04:40:20 PM
Zero percent due to Plop.
Trainers/drivers/owners/MSOA/judges/Penn national all were on this before Plop.

WE KNEW
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Npower45 on February 21, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
Zero percent due to Plop.
Trainers/drivers/owners/MSOA/judges/Penn national all were on this before Plop.

Funny that 99% of them at that track and most harness tracks have done same thing. The younger guys learned from the old time guys. Put the blame all on one guy so they all don’t look like criminals. Just look at programs for the week and you can find 10 horses that haven’t tried too win in months.  Smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: cornishcommish on February 21, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
A very accurate comment
The worst case scenario is a 12 month meet with the same drivers and horse and the same judges
They all make a very nice living....no hassle...problem

Just play the game and put on a good show

They all go home each night...and live well

Take away ALL the slot money and the picture would change

The Governor is on the right track.....schools ...hospitals...se niors..or greedy horsemen and regulators.....

An easy choice
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on February 22, 2020, 12:39:18 AM


Take away ALL the slot money and the picture would change



Should be done everywhere. Horse racing does not deserve a penny of welfare.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: seriously on February 22, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
A very accurate comment
The worst case scenario is a 12 month meet with the same drivers and horse and the same judges
They all make a very nice living....no hassle...problem

Just play the game and put on a good show

They all go home each night...and live well

Take away ALL the slot money and the picture would change

The Governor is on the right track.....schools ...hospitals...se niors..or greedy horsemen and regulators.....

An easy choice

Most legislators have contact info available online and if they don't all have contact/concern forms that are easy to fill out. 

I figure the tracks themselves are trying to destroy the product, so why not give them some assistance. 

Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on February 28, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
Quote

Ah yes, Bob Inman............ .....why don't you tell us about Bob.............. the infamous "swim to win" guy.............. ....glad you recognized the name Samstar.......... ....why don't you tell us about the hot test............. .the Fed Ex box and John Marshall......... ......come on Samstar fess up............... why don't you tell us what happened after Bob got tossed........... ..........and who Bob teamed up with at Moutaineer Park............. ....come on Samstar time to blow your cover............ ......

Come on Samstar.......... ..........you had an article in Harness Racing Update, but didn't really tell the whole story now did you............
would you like to elaborate........ ............pleas e do............... .......it would make for an interesting post about all those black market synthetic drugs............ .......
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 01, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
Come on Samstar.......... ..........you had an article in Harness Racing Update, but didn't really tell the whole story now did you............
would you like to elaborate........ ............pleas e do............... .......it would make for an interesting post about all those black market synthetic drugs............ .......

Come on Bill............y ou can tell us............... ......tell us the Meadows judge that had your back for all those years............ ....tell us about the day you fell out of the bike waving your whip in the air.............. .....come on Bill............. .harness racing is fun............ri ght.............. .tell us where the money came from............. ..much like Burke............ ......you went from couldn't win, broke............ ..to some large numbers.......... ......tell us Bill............. .......only make it the real story............ not the Harness Racing Update article.......... ...
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 01, 2020, 03:47:11 PM
Come on Bill............y ou can tell us............... ......tell us the Meadows judge that had your back for all those years............ ....tell us about the day you fell out of the bike waving your whip in the air.............. .....come on Bill............. .harness racing is fun............ri ght.............. .tell us where the money came from............. ..much like Burke............ ......you went from couldn't win, broke............ ..to some large numbers.......... ......tell us Bill............. .......only make it the real story............ not the Harness Racing Update article.......... ...

If you know shit and want it to come out just say it. This shits just annoying cause you know he's not going to say anything
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 02, 2020, 06:58:39 PM
The horse that caused all this is back in again for the first time since then on Friday. Jump in class but will be rolling for the new connections.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Zoooooming By! on March 03, 2020, 10:13:16 AM
Why not an Appeal? Everybody that got big Fines always appeals weather they are right or wrong. Try and prolong the days for winter season when things slow down.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 03, 2020, 10:45:54 AM
Why not an Appeal? Everybody that got big Fines always appeals weather they are right or wrong. Try and prolong the days for winter season when things slow down.
Guy doesn't have the money to do that most likely. All cheap horses and horses on deals. Just had a kid, looks like he sold everything and is waiting it out. Will probably try catch on as a second trainer at a training center.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Zoooooming By! on March 03, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
Wow, What a shame, all cause he didn't want to get out of a NW!. Sad, Hope for the best CK.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 03, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
Wow, What a shame, all cause he didn't want to get out of a NW!. Sad, Hope for the best CK.
New trainer is winning at a 35% clip, something tells me that the two horses he bought off of CK will be maidens much longer.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 03, 2020, 04:57:59 PM
If you know shit and want it to come out just say it. This shits just annoying cause you know he's not going to say anything
I am an open book.  I am one of the few people who is willing to identify himself on this site.  My system is simple, and anyone can do it on a small scale or a larger scale.
Step 1   buy good horse
Step 2   do your job.
step 3   If horse turns out not to be up to your standards don't pray for a turn around, it doesn't work. Dump and replace. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 03, 2020, 07:06:04 PM
I am an open book.  I am one of the few people who is willing to identify himself on this site.  My system is simple, and anyone can do it on a small scale or a larger scale.
Step 1   buy good horse
Step 2   do your job.
step 3   If horse turns out not to be up to your standards don't pray for a turn around, it doesn't work. Dump and replace.
Know your system. It works. Disappointed that anyone else that bats .500 has to be under surveillance but you don't.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 04, 2020, 05:41:48 PM
some of the guys batting high are taking horses and moving them a couple of seconds faster than they have ever been.  I don't! I buy horses that are doing well and try to keep on doing well with them.   I also have only one horse on Lasix. My other 4 horses are not on Lasix.   I don't use Lasix unless I absolutely have to.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 04, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
some of the guys batting high are taking horses and moving them a couple of seconds faster than they have ever been.  I don't! I buy horses that are doing well and try to keep on doing well with them.   I also have only one horse on Lasix. My other 4 horses are not on Lasix.   I don't use Lasix unless I absolutely have to.
Lol so your defense as to how you can bat .500 but not have to deal with the stuff that other guys have to deal with is that you're not that smart, but also not a moron.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 04, 2020, 07:41:46 PM
Lol so your defense as to how you can bat .500 but not have to deal with the stuff that other guys have to deal with is that you're not that smart, but also not a moron.

Bill must be doing something right, because he hasn’t had a positive since 2009.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 06, 2020, 04:54:39 PM
App Hanover could only manage a 4th today, way up in class. Everything else in the barn was live though. 3 wins on the day including the feature race.

Hey Samstar you giving the Betts kid some pointers?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 06, 2020, 05:19:02 PM
 One of the Betts kids was caught with an empty bottle of Epogin and beat it because the bottle was empty.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 06, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
One of the Betts kids was caught with an empty bottle of Epogin and beat it because the bottle was empty.

Tim is a pharmacist, so probably real hard for him to get product, right?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 06, 2020, 05:46:49 PM
One of the Betts kids was caught with an empty bottle of Epogin and beat it because the bottle was empty.
Lol Norm Parker had an actual epogen positive, how'd he beat that? No help from you right?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: jupiter on March 06, 2020, 06:43:05 PM
meadows is the most 2 faced places on earth. Parker whines all the time about everything, and everybody! He gets a positive, and he is a prized child. Skates free! No press, his sister is the editor of horseman and fair world. Positive would be very bad press. Hopefully new mgt, will keep cleaning the place out, get rid of the scum, be on top of the judges and make it what it used to be .
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 07, 2020, 05:11:29 PM
One of the Betts kids was caught with an empty bottle of Epogin and beat it because the bottle was empty.
I never I intended to post the above.  The judges determined that the bottle was part of medical waste that Tim was responsible to discard and it ended up in his car.  He never had a positive and his horses always look to be in great condition. This happened 4 or 5years ago. Meadows is testing for Epogin and as you know, there has been a positive and an exclusion.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 07, 2020, 05:26:08 PM
I never I intended to post the above.  The judges determined that the bottle was part of medical waste that Tim was responsible to discard and it ended up in his car.  He never had a positive and his horses always look to be in great condition. This happened 4 or 5years ago. Meadows is testing for Epogin and as you know, there has been a positive and an exclusion.

mcNeight?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 07, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
Correct!  I really Liked McKnight. He was always a gentleman . Sad to see it end the way it did.  Horrible drug. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 07, 2020, 09:09:40 PM
meadows is the most 2 faced places on earth. Parker whines all the time about everything, and everybody! He gets a positive, and he is a prized child. Skates free! No press, his sister is the editor of horseman and fair world. Positive would be very bad press. Hopefully new mgt, will keep cleaning the place out, get rid of the scum, be on top of the judges and make it what it used to be .
100%
Sad part is you could probably trust the criminals there more than the "good guys" like Parker and Bercury.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 07, 2020, 09:45:26 PM
Correct!  I really Liked McKnight. He was always a gentleman . Sad to see it end the way it did.  Horrible drug.

He ruined 2 horses that he had:
Naturally Bad and Musclehead Andy

Both went on form sprees during the Spring of 2018 and then they became comatose.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 08, 2020, 11:06:57 AM
Rapid form change and short lived success are red flags to me. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 08, 2020, 04:27:46 PM
Rapid form change and short lived success are red flags to me.

100% EPO, and if it was up to me, I would have tested them and banned him for life.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 08, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
 5 years is a pretty long time from my prospective but of course I am 76 years old so that would be a lifetime ban for me.  There is no excuse for using Epogin. It is not a mistake or an overage of a therapeutic drug, it is cheating.  I feel about the same about soda.  The difference is that Soda doesn't kill horses and Epogin does.


Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Ifyouainfirstyourlast on March 09, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
The horse that caused all this is back in again for the first time since then on Friday. Jump in class but will be rolling for the new connections.

App hanover bad 4th wasn’t rolling to well???
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 09, 2020, 05:35:47 PM
App hanover bad 4th wasn’t rolling to well???
Up roughly four classes off a month. And rolling as in they will be trying to win every race not finish second.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 10, 2020, 07:29:27 PM
Hey Billy boy looks like your boy Blackhurst got out just in time............. .....Would you care to elaborate ................. .Tell us you weren't close to Blackhurst who was close to Inman............ .....who was close to Belcher.......... .....and Marashian........ ......Tell us you didn't know about Mountaineer Park............. ...come on SamStar.......... ......harness racing is fun.............. .....
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 14, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
Come on Sam, where you been............. ........."swim to win"................. ...synthetic designer black market drugs............ ..Where did all that money come from............. .....how is Inman anyways.......... ...you been awful quiet lately........... why did Bob Coberley the presiding judge leave years ago..........must be busy training......... .....ya that's it..............f eed tub training at its best............. ..
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 15, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
Okay SamStar.......... .......maybe if we give you an easier question......... ...you might come out from hiding........... ..this Mason Shaw owner seems to own a lot of horses and has for a few years now.............. would you care to share the age of Mr. Mason Shaw............. .
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: jupiter on March 15, 2020, 04:19:44 PM
 a young entrepreneur in the making, what is he 7 or 8, creditors will not come after the kid. lol
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 15, 2020, 04:59:52 PM
a young entrepreneur in the making, what is he 7 or 8, creditors will not come after the kid. lol

You are close Jupiter.......... ......but not quite............ .....maybe SamStar will help us here............. ...
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: jupiter on March 16, 2020, 12:30:07 PM
I think samstar is trying to fact check. This is why no answer yet. Better question is how many trainers at the Meadows are on tape ordering Red Acid etc. Whats the over/under I figure at least a half a dozen will be questioned
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 16, 2020, 04:18:49 PM
Okay SamStar.......... .......maybe if we give you an easier question......... ...you might come out from hiding........... ..this Mason Shaw owner seems to own a lot of horses and has for a few years now.............. would you care to share the age of Mr. Mason Shaw............. .

366M27   Shaw, Mason E   Scenery Hill   PA   US   U   2012   09/30/2020

Makes him 7 or 8
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 17, 2020, 01:16:52 PM
Hey SamStar.......... ........your logged in............... ......give us some insight here about Bob and Randy............ ....
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 17, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
366M27   Shaw, Mason E   Scenery Hill   PA   US   U   2012   09/30/2020

Makes him 7 or 8

Been down as a licensed owner for years............ ......quite a few horses........... ........wonder where he gets the funds from............. .....just like SamStar.......... ........
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 17, 2020, 01:20:49 PM
Hey SamStar.......... ........your logged in............... ......give us some insight here about Bob and Randy............ ....

C'mon SamStar.......... .......that wasn't nice............. ......not responding to your outstanding training methods.......... ..........
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 17, 2020, 01:29:21 PM
You are not asking about my training methods.  You are asking me to discuss non existent relationships.  Ask me to my face some day. Cowards hide behind fake names.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 17, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
You are not asking about my training methods.  You are asking me to discuss non existent relationships.  Ask me to my face some day. Cowards hide behind fake names.

Bill, I thought you knew Gym.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 17, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
Nope. do you?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: shotgunner on March 17, 2020, 05:22:39 PM
Nope. do you?
Not sure Gym actually knows anyone or anything.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Gym Jeffersun on March 17, 2020, 06:04:30 PM
You are not asking about my training methods.  You are asking me to discuss non existent relationships.  Ask me to my face some day. Cowards hide behind fake names.

Chose your words carefully didn't you.............. .....non existent relationships.... ..........guess when I saw you and Randy in the judges office before broadcasts  that was somebody else having fun.............m aybe you have a twin.........you certainly live in the right city.........Slip pery Rock..........lot s of miles back and forth to Ravenna.......... ....
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 17, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
either your eyes are deceiving you or you are deceiving us.  I suggest the latter is true!
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on March 17, 2020, 10:54:25 PM
Nope. do you?

No clue, and I have several horses racing there.
3 of them were in to go before they cancelled everything.
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: samstar on March 18, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
I think it is a great place to race. 
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Hung Every Step on July 21, 2020, 02:49:23 PM
Not quite, Jack:

The Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission

Ruling Number: 20027M

Ruling Date: 02/12/2020

PA Code Title 7-205, 405, 205.456, 205.501 (14). Mr. Kreiser while driving #2 APP HANOVER in the 2nd Race at The Meadows on February 10, 2020, did not put forth his best effort to win by failing to drive his horse to the finish. This is conduct detrimental to the best interest of racing. Mr. Kreiser is hereby fined $5,000 and issued a full suspension of his license for 120 days beginning February 23, 2020 through and including June 21, 2020. During the term of suspension, Mr. Kreiser is ruled off all grounds under the jurisdiction of the PSHRC and deemed a disqualified person. Any trainer transfers of horses in his care must be approved by the Judges at The Meadows. The fine is due within 10 days of this ruling. Mr. Kreiser has 10 days to appeal this decision to the PSHRC, Bureau of Standardbred Racing.


Shouldn’t this kid be back racing now?  11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: seriously on July 21, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
interesting place for your first post.

Exactly.

And if he were alive or dead, would people really notice and difference?
Title: Re: R2 The Meadows
Post by: Dingus on July 21, 2020, 04:35:29 PM
He’s training and driving 1 at Bedford Fair on Friday.
That’s about it.
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