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Title: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 23, 2019, 11:09:18 PM
Do drivers owe trainers/owners loyalty?
Do trainers/owners owe drivers loyalty?

The situation has come up over the past 5 years when Hoosier shuts down and the Indiana drivers, and horses for that matter, head to the Ohio tracks.  Suddenly, the Ohio colony of drivers is placed in competition with the Hoosiers, many of whom arrive with legit seasonal resumes.  The bumping for drives is more congested at Dayton and then Miami Valley. 

Is it all business?
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: MR.DALRAE on November 24, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
Who cares,,,, minor league racing
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: Fatboy on November 24, 2019, 03:22:33 PM
It's human nature to be loyal unless money is involved.
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on November 24, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
It's all about the Benjamins baby!!
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: coryd03 on November 24, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
Easy summary: if a driver picks off, trainer shouldn't care or say anything to driver.

When a trainer switches driver, driver is free to be mad and confront trainer about it.

Generally speaking of course, but that's usually how it goes lol
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 25, 2019, 09:59:54 AM
Easy summary: if a driver picks off, trainer shouldn't care or say anything to driver.

When a trainer switches driver, driver is free to be mad and confront trainer about it.

Generally speaking of course, but that's usually how it goes lol

TRUTH

Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on November 25, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Personally I had a few trainers that took chances on me early and I never forgot that. If I was down on 2 in the same race and one of them was these guys then it was a no brainer for me. Maybe i would have made more money if I would have taken the live mounts instead of staying loyal but thats just me.  Everyone is different.
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 25, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
Personally I had a few trainers that took chances on me early and I never forgot that. If I was down on 2 in the same race and one of them was these guys then it was a no brainer for me. Maybe i would have made more money if I would have taken the live mounts instead of staying loyal but thats just me.  Everyone is different.

God Bless you - plenty of folks in the paddock speak much higher of the guys w/ integrity.  Far more than the big shot wannabes -

Some drivers are lined up w/ the big stables - so, I get that they go there first; however, when it's all smaller trainers ^ there's the chance to show some loyalty - and, sadly, majority chase that t/m favorite.     
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: heyref on November 25, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
I have a small stable and am at the mercy of drivers wanting to drive for the big outfits

Tough business when you have a new driver every time your horse moves up in class
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: Carnival People on November 26, 2019, 03:12:42 PM
Do drivers owe trainers/owners loyalty?
Do trainers/owners owe drivers loyalty?

The situation has come up over the past 5 years when Hoosier shuts down and the Indiana drivers, and horses for that matter, head to the Ohio tracks.  Suddenly, the Ohio colony of drivers is placed in competition with the Hoosiers, many of whom arrive with legit seasonal resumes.  The bumping for drives is more congested at Dayton and then Miami Valley. 

Is it all business?

There is no such thing as a LOYAL friend in harness racing. 
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: Parked on November 26, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
Drivers are loyal until the other horse looks better than yours..
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: jupiter on November 26, 2019, 06:25:21 PM
99% of drivers are whiny bitches! Some will give you a heads up if they pick off, most won't even acknowledge you.
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 26, 2019, 06:37:32 PM
99% of drivers are whiny bitches! Some will give you a heads up if they pick off, most won't even acknowledge you.

sense of entitlement when they're flyin' high in april - but, when they're shot down in may ... suddenly, they're friendly as hell and gobblin' up any drive that they can get.  AND  ^  when they lose that hook-up w/ the big boys and their win % falls lower than rookies  *  Oh, My  *  you've never had a better phony friend.
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 26, 2019, 08:24:23 PM
The greatest feeling in the world is when some piece of shit catch driver (and most of them are) picks off your horse and your horse ends up running off the screen.

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Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: bigwrench on November 27, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
Most donr want to drive your
Rats anyways so  43z.stf
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: Bobbo on November 28, 2019, 12:33:39 AM
I am just curious.  Was there a Luc Ouellette Sr. as well as a Luc Ouellette Jr.
I ask because the Luc most of us know is 15 years younger then Mike Lachance.
and Luc Ouellette rarely drove in Montreal
Title: Re: Is there a Loyalty Etiquette between trainers and drivers?
Post by: caddy on November 28, 2019, 02:14:23 AM
I actually had to laugh when I read this post.  But seriously its a good question:

Do I trust my trainer to use the right driver?  Even when the asshole ran my horse into the grandstand the week before?  And then explained to me it was the horse's fault?  And then put the idiot back on the horse the following week because he was either related to him, indebted to him for future business, or otherwise.  Simple answer.  There is no loyalty in this business.  Never has been.  That horse that your jerk drove last week was probably part of a pre planned tri fecta.  And anyone who disagrees with me on this can go suck rocks.  It happens and you can be sure as shit the first thing a driver looks at before sleeping is what they are driving over the next few days.  And then that next few days is an involved discussion with his fellow co horts on how they think the horse can deliver, even though they have absolutely no clue what the trainer is doing with the horse.  is it sick?  they have no clue whatsoever unless its a horse from their own barn.  I personally have had to weave all through this bullshit for years.  I mostly left it with the trainer for driver picks.  I reneged on one occasion for a stakes race up in montreal years ago.  I took off luc ouellete and had the trainer replace him for a relatively unknown who was actually my farrier.  best damn horseman you and I will ever have the pleasure of knowing.  michel lachance.  do owners nowadays have a say?  should they?  does it matter?  not for nothin, if im paying over $50 bucks a day to a trainer, you sure as shit know I want some say on who drives my horse.

Truth !!!!!
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