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Title: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on September 09, 2019, 08:33:21 PM
Thoughts on the non DQ?
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on September 09, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
Well,I guess nobody watched,I don't blame you,God Bless,good night
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Equus Caballus on September 09, 2019, 09:13:34 PM
What?
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Jazzman on September 09, 2019, 09:16:01 PM
watched replay not sure the issue
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: gulch on September 10, 2019, 12:10:15 AM
I guess going inside 4 pylons and winning by less than a nose can't get you DQ'd. Every drive should take advantage of this and go inside the pylons. There's no way they can take a horse down from now on going inside a pylon this horse went inside 4 of them clearly.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: bigwrench on September 10, 2019, 02:09:58 AM
Well,I guess nobody watched,I don't blame you,God Bless,good night
mikey will you ever learn to not bet the horses son?!?!
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: FAQ on September 10, 2019, 05:21:07 AM
Yannick was never taken down at the jug with filibuster. He went through 9 on the first turn.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: wiggles44 on September 10, 2019, 05:35:02 AM
Quote
Race 4 Inquiry. Reviewed pylons going past the ¼. # 8 Brandon Hanover, the
winner, did go completely inside 1 pylon, no advantage gained. No violation.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on September 10, 2019, 07:37:30 AM
They only take down drivers they dont favor for pylon violations.


Did catch race 3 where EIGHTOCLOCKSTORM reverted back to shit form and wasn't bet.

 3 second form reversal, huge, steady insider money then nothing. Not a cheating outfit at all. One owner on here claims he didn't bet--maybe true, but insiders definitely poured every dollar on the horse knowing it was a good thing.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Papillon on September 10, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
going inside ONE pylon is NOT a violation

why is this difficult to understand?

i don’t get the confusion ... it’s black and white for one pylon
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: mwins on September 10, 2019, 02:27:08 PM
going inside ONE pylon is NOT a violation

why is this difficult to understand?

i don’t get the confusion ... it’s black and white for one pylon

The "confusion" is what exactly constitutes being inside a pylon. 4 pylons disappeared behind the wheel, yet the judges said he only went inside 1. It seems that if you hit the pylon and cause it to move, you are not deemed inside, even if the pylon is clearly inside your wheel.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: MR.DALRAE on September 10, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
That seems correct
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: helpplease on September 10, 2019, 04:33:24 PM
going inside ONE pylon is NOT a violation

why is this difficult to understand?

i don’t get the confusion ... it’s black and white for one pylon

I definitely is a violation if you improve your position while going inside only one pylon.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Papillon on September 10, 2019, 05:07:35 PM
The "confusion" is what exactly constitutes being inside a pylon. 4 pylons disappeared behind the wheel, yet the judges said he only went inside 1. It seems that if you hit the pylon and cause it to move, you are not deemed inside, even if the pylon is clearly inside your wheel.

he was inside one pylon

if you make a pylon move that doesn’t mean you went inside   

you are allowed to go inside more than one pylon... just not consecutive pylons ... the reset button is hit if you go outside the next pylon
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Papillon on September 10, 2019, 05:10:32 PM
I definitely is a violation if you improve your position while going inside only one pylon.
.

that would be INCORRECT

there is no subjectivity about gaining an advantage for one pylon

people like you contribute to the mass confusion of others
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on September 10, 2019, 06:07:24 PM
Thanks for all the replies guy's  tmbz1
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: helpplease on September 10, 2019, 10:50:51 PM
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that would be INCORRECT

there is no subjectivity about gaining an advantage for one pylon

people like you contribute to the mass confusion of others

Scroll to page 114, 18.08.02 (c) & after reading I'll accept your apology.

https://www.agco.ca/sites/default/files/rules_of_standardbred_racing_2018.pdf
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Papillon on September 11, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
Scroll to page 114, 18.08.02 (c) & after reading I'll accept your apology.

https://www.agco.ca/sites/default/files/rules_of_standardbred_racing_2018.pdf

you receive no apology for pulling up outdated rules that nobody enforces.
Your nice near little handbook talks about horses need to pace 2:06 to get into a race.. so these guidelines you posted are about 50 years old and nobody pays any attention to.

times have changed
rules have changed
your mind culture has not changed
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Fatboy on September 11, 2019, 11:44:51 AM
you receive no apology for pulling up outdated rules that nobody enforces.
Your nice near little handbook talks about horses need to pace 2:06 to get into a race.. so these guidelines you posted are about 50 years old and nobody pays any attention to.

times have changed
rules have changed
your mind culture has not changed

A COLDPUNCH KNOCKOUT
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Calhoun on September 11, 2019, 12:14:49 PM
someone please post link to current rules.

thx
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: helpplease on September 11, 2019, 12:27:29 PM
you receive no apology for pulling up outdated rules that nobody enforces.
Your nice near little handbook talks about horses need to pace 2:06 to get into a race.. so these guidelines you posted are about 50 years old and nobody pays any attention to.

times have changed
rules have changed
your mind culture has not changed

Some people can't be helped. Check out cover page for date issued. I know the feeling of being wrong & it's not nice but when I am I fess up. Try it sometime, it will liberate you.

PS: If you think there is an updated version from last year's edition, just scroll to the bottom page where you'll find the phone number to call to get the newest edition. gl
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: helpplease on September 11, 2019, 01:17:31 PM
someone please post link to current rules.

thx

The link I provided below is the 2018 edition of the racing rules. They are forever tweaking rules so there may be addendums to those rules. For sure the whipping rule has been modified since the 2018 edition was printed. Call the # at the bottom of the document for more up to date info.

https://www.agco.ca/sites/default/files/rules_of_standardbred_racing_2018.pdf
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Brown jug on September 11, 2019, 04:46:56 PM
I know who wished the 8 came down and that is the people who made arsenal Seelster even money off his layoff and lines
Wow, the board was talking
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: davenchop on September 11, 2019, 11:17:55 PM
They only take down drivers they dont favor for pylon violations.

very true indeed... they took the driving legend dean collins down two separate times when he won
at a very nice price.. he went inside one pylon right before the qtr pole...

i saw merriman go completely inside a pylon turning for home recently and won by a head
and no inquiry at all.

many more instances too numerous to mention but you nailed it on the head with that statement
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on September 12, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
It also states in the usta rules book that s driver shall have a line in each hand from the start to the finish. Im pretty sure that one isn't enforced.
When the pylons first came out we were told that if you went inside 2 and got lapped on then you were placed back 2.  Go inside 3 and you get set back to last. That was rarely enforced after the first month. We were all going inside at some point in the race. In the end it comes down to the judges discretion.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Jctoronto on September 12, 2019, 08:52:34 AM
'Pylon violation rules' gave judges further latitude to invent their own official race finish order.  A very dangerous tool for judges to have who might be a bit unscrupulous or have a bet on the result.  Sorry folks...FACTS

Pylons have just muddied the water..just the way those 'controlling the results' needed.

Why be at mercy of judges stand when you should only be at mecy of the drive.
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Fatboy on September 12, 2019, 11:20:06 AM
'Pylon violation rules' gave judges further latitude to invent their own official race finish order.  A very dangerous tool for judges to have who might be a bit unscrupulous or have a bet on the result.  Sorry folks...FACTS

Pylons have just muddied the water..just the way those 'controlling the results' needed.

Why be at mercy of judges stand when you should only be at mecy of the drive.

THEY USUALLY CHECK ALL THEIR TICKETS BEFORE THEY DECIDE
Title: Re: anyone watch the fourth race at Woodbine/Mohawk
Post by: Fatboy on September 12, 2019, 07:18:00 PM
Hitting a pylon is like hitting the hubrail but with no give.  you leave the course, for any reason, you should be eliminated from the contest! Pylons are there for safety and not meant to be hugged so tightly because there is no fear of flipping over them.

GOING AROUND PYLONS AND STAYING UP ADDS A BONUS ROUND TO THE CONTEST
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