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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PurpleSheetPicks on August 28, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
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Offered 11k for one of his horses prior to the sale
i told him over and over the horse would only bring 8500 at the sale and he would be doing the best thing for his owners selling prior to the sale.
Instead the horse sold for 8200
minus 750 shipping minus 800 commision nets the owners about 6500...
just in one day cost his owners 4500 on just this one horse...not to mention him stringing them along for 2 years telling them what a great horse this would be andgetting 5k a month training....
just bought 5 more yearlings to start charging 5k a month on...
i admire that he is trying to help the business but man is he making his pockets fat and absoulutly NOT DOING whats in the best interest of the investors
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from what i understand he was also offered 20k for another one in the sale which he turned down, then the horse sold for 4200.
16k out the window for the owners, in addtion to the 2 years of training bills
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from what i understand he was also offered 20k for another one in the sale which he turned down, then the horse sold for 4200.
16k out the window for the owners, in addtion to the 2 years of training bills
There are a few horses for sale on this site, you might be interested in:
www.mindyourownfu ckingbusiness.com
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Anthony who ??
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Actually i was directly involved in this business transaction. So thats why i speaking my mind on it.
So i am minding my business, well said
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well the horse you said was going for $20k that sold for $4200 now shows as "out" - were you in on that one?
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Actually i was directly involved in this business transaction. So thats why i speaking my mind on it.
So i am minding my business, well said
Were you on the right side of the deal?
Or were you the fuckee?
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Were you on the right side of the deal?
Or were you the fuckee?
MORE SOBBING?
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the stable buys a lot of cheep shit at sales
promises made ,,promises un kept..
met him a few times at red mile hez ok as a person,,
but buys too much cheap shit ,,,
2 of my pals have five or six with him ,,
hes ok I guess but not for me,,
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Anthony drove like a pigeon last few times at Scioto on my pals trotters
why he wood not hand ove r the lines to local guys is beyond me,,
them ohio boys will not let the big money go to strangers,,same thing in indy,,
he bought crap yesterday at deleware sale,,
...impossible to make any real money racing in shares,,,,
jmho...
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Check out the entries for Northfields Big Sunday OHIO Stakes card
2 year old filly trotter....$ 300,000
Virgil drew the 4 hole with his new Uncle Peters Love..Brett Miller to drive
Anthony has 3 in the race.....Jason McGinnis must be a good trainer for A Mac..maybe great..all have $$$$ on their card
A Mac will drive 1..James Mac another and Tyler Smith the 3rd
A must watch race
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globetrotter has a really good shot to win or be in top 3 if DRIVEN with a brain,,
,,my pic VIRG ,,BRETT THE JET tmbz1
WITH PETE W.. FOR SECOND
THATS MY ZACTA PLA Y tmbz1 ICE COLD
VIRG RECOUPS THE 95 K,,AND MAKES ANOTHER 60 IN PROFIT..
VERY GOOD PURCHASE YESTERDAY.. tmbz1
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Great stories
Never let the facts get in the way
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what about the one he way overpaid for off his uncle. Conflict of interest ?
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More details please.....you mean his uncle or his "involved....promo ting Father
Can you name the horse and the transaction
Thank you
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the stable buys a lot of cheep shit at sales
promises made ,,promises un kept..
met him a few times at red mile hez ok as a person,,
but buys too much cheap shit ,,,
2 of my pals have five or six with him ,,
hes ok I guess but not for me,,
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Anthony drove like a pigeon last few times at Scioto on my pals trotters
why he wood not hand ove r the lines to local guys is beyond me,,
them ohio boys will not let the big money go to strangers,,same thing in indy,,
he bought crap yesterday at deleware sale,,
...impossible to make any real money racing in shares,,,,
jmho...
tmbz1 tmbz1
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He has a "free ride"........brings the family with him...she is part owner..."the stable" pays his trip costs.......and if he is lucky..the 5 % is a bonus for "him"...not the stable.
If he drives bad....he always has a great story......"a little off..did not like the half mile track...had him scoped......will make an equipment change next race...this horse will get better.."I like him".......
He should have stuck with politics....he is good at the BS
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More details please.....you mean his uncle or his "involved....promo ting Father
Five Run Homer
Can you name the horse and the transaction
Thank you
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how is anthony any different than any other colt trainer they all lose 1000 for every owner no one but trainers make money in yearling buisness.
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Check out the entries for Northfields Big Sunday OHIO Stakes card
2 year old filly trotter....$ 300,000
Virgil drew the 4 hole with his new Uncle Peters Love..Brett Miller to drive
Anthony has 3 in the race.....Jason McGinnis must be a good trainer for A Mac..maybe great..all have $$$$ on their card
A Mac will drive 1..James Mac another and Tyler Smith the 3rd
A must watch race
it will be a good race - that entire group of fillies is a pretty good group - no different than PA where the trotting fillies are as good as the boys if not better (except for one superstar). How much were the three that he has in the race bought as - they all have good money are their card.
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Globetrotting $21,000
Compass Rose DC $16,000
Spend that Money $11,500
Not a bad return on those three. Especially if one or more hits the board. Globetrotting is a nice filly, and if she stays flat, she will be hard to beat. She spotted the field about 15 lengths last time out at Northfield breaking before the gate left and still finished 3rd or 4th.
They do charge owners for "Travel Expenses" which I don't really understand. If he wants to travel to drive them, then that's fine, but don't charge the owners for it, because then it just looks bad. I've never received a bill from any other driver to travel to our track to race one of our horses. Frankly, I think he's clearly a good salesman and does seem to be getting new people involved. I just don't understand why he doesn't let just stick with what he does best and let someone else drive. If for no other reason than to stop giving his critics ammunition to come after him with.
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How much did Uncle Peters Love sell for in the Ohio sale?
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How much did Uncle Peters Love sell for in the Ohio sale?
$95,000
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Thank you!
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Jazzman man is correct not any different from the other trainers. All of them are salesman or else they would have needed a real job. The filly race should be a very good one any of 4 can win and all drew inside. Shouldn't be any easy fractions in this one.
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Offered 11k for one of his horses prior to the sale
i told him over and over the horse would only bring 8500 at the sale and he would be doing the best thing for his owners selling prior to the sale.
Instead the horse sold for 8200
minus 750 shipping minus 800 commision nets the owners about 6500...
just in one day cost his owners 4500 on just this one horse...not to mention him stringing them along for 2 years telling them what a great horse this would be andgetting 5k a month training....
just bought 5 more yearlings to start charging 5k a month on...
i admire that he is trying to help the business but man is he making his pockets fat and absoulutly NOT DOING whats in the best interest of the investors
how did letting the horse sell at the sale instead of selling to you privately benefit him personally?
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how did letting the horse sell at the sale instead of selling to you privately benefit him personally?
Anthony is the type that thinks his trailer is worth 50K when it’s worth 5K the loser thought he could get more at sale probably
She’s a loser hope he comes to Chicago I’ll throw an old style on him
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then maybe you should have been at the sale to buy it cheaper
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how did letting the horse sell at the sale instead of selling to you privately benefit him personally?
it didnt benefit him...but it hurt his owners
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then maybe you should have been at the sale to buy it cheaper
buying and shipping a horse to canada is a pain in the ass...
thats why i was willing to overpay for the horse ahead of time
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sounds like you let your $11,000 horse get away for $8,200
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Anthony who ??
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anymore --- when stake horses race, it's a long list of owners... Mostly multiple partnerships with god knows how many owners actually involved....
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Down fall of the industry. Mega owners buy the 1st day of horses. Everyone grabbing 20-25% on a bunch of horses with a chance of owning a potential star and syndicated stud. The middle has fallen away and so many owners have left. Can't race against the top barns A list I'm in GC, can't race against big barn B list in sire stake programs, it is fending for the bottom slices or county fair racing. Product is geared for the top and if your lucky to have a good one. Is it a 1 in 10 shot or 1 in 15 that still makes one way under water?
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Down fall of the industry. Mega owners buy the 1st day of horses. Everyone grabbing 20-25% on a bunch of horses with a chance of owning a potential star and syndicated stud. The middle has fallen away and so many owners have left. Can't race against the top barns A list I'm in GC, can't race against big barn B list in sire stake programs, it is fending for the bottom slices or county fair racing. Product is geared for the top and if your lucky to have a good one. Is it a 1 in 10 shot or 1 in 15 that still makes one way under water?
That sounds about right.
So, anybody want to tell me why MacDonald's model is so damn awful for fractional owners?
Instead of 20%, they're taking 1/10th of that.
Instead of an EV of -$XXX, they are EV -1/10th of that.
What's the difference, aside from having no shot being top AssHat of the year like Taylor?
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Anthony drove like a pigeon last few times at Scioto on my pals trotters
why he wood not hand ove r the lines to local guys is beyond me,,
The fucking guy should never ever sit behind a horse. It's like they plucked someone from the Jerry Lewis telethon and put him on the horse.
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I think if he used top local drivers it would not only be better for the horses, it would be better optics. He isn't an elite driver so shouldn't be driving against them either.
Small tracks and purses fine.
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Yes, I don't understand what he is thinking. Better for business if he says they will use top catch drivers.
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if i remember correctly anthony took himself off of horse in hambo and results where a disaster
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Bad year so far for the Stable. Sure he had 3 in the final and 1 got money. The other two above water for the year. The test of the Stable not so well some ON breds have a shot winning some money in the grassroots. Take away the 3 in OH disaster city but he says stable best year. Yikes he best look at the earnings number. Would say last year much better and another year like this clients start to evaluate losses.
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Bad year so far for the Stable. Sure he had 3 in the final and 1 got money. The other two above water for the year. The test of the Stable not so well some ON breds have a shot winning some money in the grassroots. Take away the 3 in OH disaster city but he says stable best year. Yikes he best look at the earnings number. Would say last year much better and another year like this clients start to evaluate losses.
White tiger totally mismanaged and flopped.
As did knockdown dragout
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Anthony is a fucking clown
If u are dumb enough to give this loser a horse or pay his ridiculous bills you are a sucker and serves your right
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last night he pulled pocket around the final turn against a1/2 shot, actually briefly took the lead before the 1/2 then took control and won.....he should of glued himself to Henry,s helmet and took his hot in the stretch...……..but that's how this guy rolls....
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i actually dont have a problem with him driving..
he tries and knows the horses and actually has decent hands
its the bills and misleading off the track
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i actually dont have a problem with him driving..
he tries and knows the horses and actually has decent hands
best fucking laugh i had all day
thanks
ngc3
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i think purple is fairly accurate
he doesn't get cheated on the drives which is fine
most on this site complain when a driver doesn't pull off the rail or leave the gate etc
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Anthony is a fucking clown
If u are dumb enough to give this loser a horse or pay his ridiculous bills you are a sucker and serves your right
He is a fan of P T Barnum
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i actually dont have a problem with him driving..
he tries and knows the horses and actually has decent hands
its the bills and misleading off the track
No offense but it's your Pop's money you are playing horse owner with, right?
It's really hard to respect or value your opinion of other peoples' money when the cash you are spending was earned by your Father.
Can you give us 3 good reasons we should care what you say?
Thanks.
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Bad year so far for the Stable. Sure he had 3 in the final and 1 got money. The other two above water for the year. The test of the Stable not so well some ON breds have a shot winning some money in the grassroots. Take away the 3 in OH disaster city but he says stable best year. Yikes he best look at the earnings number. Would say last year much better and another year like this clients start to evaluate losses.
4 in the final. 2 breakers the other 2 were 2nd and 3rd for $110.000
didn’t pay over $25,000 for any of those 4
to put it into perspective Brian Brown had 2 super night starters and brought home $9,000
if it’s so easy to get average or below average priced yearlings into a $300,000 super final why aren’t you doing it? 🤔
2 more for the stakes consolation
possibly up to 4 more for Buckeye Finals
yeah just an awful year.
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No offense but it's your Pop's money you are playing horse owner with, right?
It's really hard to respect or value your opinion of other peoples' money when the cash you are spending was earned by your Father.
Can you give us 3 good reasons we should care what you say?
Thanks.
Here are 3 reasons.
The stable has turned a 6 figure profit 2019. 2018. 2017...
Want more reasons?
2016, 2015, 2014, 2013....
All profitable...
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No offense but it's your Pop's money you are playing horse owner with, right?
It's really hard to respect or value your opinion of other peoples' money when the cash you are spending was earned by your Father.
Can you give us 3 good reasons we should care what you say?
Thanks.
So actually, no you are wrong. Its the stables money that weve rolled thr profits of years past into
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Swandre big picture around 75 yearlings bought. About 15 or so sold back at auction or private sale. Here are the other 57. 25 have earned 0-5k. 10 earned 5-10k. 7 10-15k. 9 earned 15k-25k. So perspective 49 of these haven't even broke even on monthly bills and stake payments. Doesn't count purchase price or all the travel and entry fees. Of the rest 1 25k-30k. 1 30-35k. 2 35-40k. 1 at 63k and 1 at 151k. In all honesty there are 4 that are in the black. Another couple maybe close. Out of 75 yearlings if that is a great season holy shit what is bad??? Wait 3 year olds coming back looks like failure and Yes at least grabbed a 3rd place check in final. So Swandre is this what a good season is? You have enough horses u should get something in the sire finals and he had 3 in one divison and I think 0 in IN, IL, PA, NY, and ON.
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Great post horses first. My only question is how does that compare to the industry avg. Is he doing better or worse. Or even a comparison vs brown. Some sort of baseline is needed.
The Baseline is what this thread started out as. Was offered 11for a horse turned it down and his owners got 6 instead.
A perfect example of him losing his owners money in a variety of forms..
As a stable manager there's a million decisions to make not just what horses to buy but where to race them when the race them when the cell when not to sell that's when the money is made or lost
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I think finding better trainers to send them to in the summer might be a good start
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sounds like you guys have this industry figured out
my question is : if you’re such experts on running a 100+ horse stable, why aren’t you?
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Great post horses first. My only question is how does that compare to the industry avg. Is he doing better or worse. Or even a comparison vs brown. Some sort of baseline is needed.
probably right down the middle. if people want to compare ‘return on investment’ use the ‘successful’ trainers too. let’s have a look at those numbers too.
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sounds like you guys have this industry figured out
my question is : if you’re such experts on running a 100+ horse stable, why aren’t you?
Because thats too many horses...
Im at 20 and its working well
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The fact that he bought 5 or 6 yearlings at the blooded horse sale tells you everything.
He isnt being selective enough. No one should find 5 or 6 that they liked their regardless of thier bankroll
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you sound like the type of guy who’d write to Starbucks and tell them they’d be more successful if they used a different kind of coffee beans
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Swandre big picture around 75 yearlings bought. About 15 or so sold back at auction or private sale. Here are the other 57. 25 have earned 0-5k. 10 earned 5-10k. 7 10-15k. 9 earned 15k-25k. So perspective 49 of these haven't even broke even on monthly bills and stake payments. Doesn't count purchase price or all the travel and entry fees. Of the rest 1 25k-30k. 1 30-35k. 2 35-40k. 1 at 63k and 1 at 151k. In all honesty there are 4 that are in the black. Another couple maybe close. Out of 75 yearlings if that is a great season holy shit what is bad??? Wait 3 year olds coming back looks like failure and Yes at least grabbed a 3rd place check in final. So Swandre is this what a good season is? You have enough horses u should get something in the sire finals and he had 3 in one divison and I think 0 in IN, IL, PA, NY, and ON.
It’s VERY clear I was talking about Ohio strictly
There were no Illinois yearlings
There were 3 Indiana breds, one two year old trotting filly took a mark of :58 and change on a half. One is still racing and one is done for the year.
ON and PA are tough markets, not having a super final starter in those markets isn’t necessarily a failure.
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you sound like the type of guy who’d write to Starbucks and tell them they’d be more successful if they used a different kind of coffee beans
actually mark weaver is a good friend of mine and i never say booo to him i just listen and find out how to do better
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you sound like the type of guy who’d write to Starbucks and tell them they’d be more successful if they used a different kind of coffee beans
you can live in lala land and make up scenarios but the scenario thatstarted this thread is real..
chance to get his owners 11...instead gets them 6...
across the board not protecting his investors
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First off in this business no one in their right mind would invest so much in a industry that forever has a bad ROI. Most people Do it for many reasons one being they have capital to do so. But as time goes by even people with money their brain takes over and realizes throwing good money at bad isn't a business plan. Once the entertainment value goes away so does the passion of wasting money.
Here is my point and I see Swandre after seeing numbers in print didn't want to elaborate on those? You can't go on record with videos to clients who have a actually grip on the horses through the season and say I have thick skin and can take all the criticism....then shoot back and say this is the stable best season. Say what? Look at the numbers and yes still some racing and bills to go. But it's a poor blanket statement he throws out there without knowing the numbers. At this point he isn't a SALESMAN but the CEO. If Tim Cook put out false claims before a quarterly report and the numbers don't back up those claims the stock gets crushed. Same thing here. He is the CEO on record with hundreds of clients/shareholders in horses....putting out false info. Just look at the numbers? He also mentioned that 20% of the clients are having a good year and 80% aren't. Based on those numbers how does he get to 20%. Out of the 75 babies he started with I see 2 that are having a GOOD year. I'll let u do the math that 2 in 75...Not so good and nowhere near 20%.
I don't have issue with the stable and think it's a good thing and also lets clients see the horses train down. More big trainers should do the same. With that said you can't come out go on record propping up your numbers when it's easy to see the numbers and get called out. At this point like most of racing under any trainer and will volume. It becomes the ponzi scheme of keeping it going. Do you think the stable will slow it down and buy smart and purchase only 25? No full steam ahead. Just remember those 55 will be turned out and started up 6 months before racing already at a loss before a chance to earn money again. The new babies on track for 9 months before a chance to earn money. This business only takes 2 or 3 years of mediocre to go up in flames.
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you can live in lala land and make up scenarios but the scenario thatstarted this thread is real..
chance to get his owners 11...instead gets them 6...
across the board not protecting his investors
me in lala land?
you started a thread claiming he robs his owners, implying he benefited financially from the horse selling for less at auction than a private sale which is insane, especially if he owned a piece of it.
it’s an open and shut case of sour grapes. he thought it would sell for more at public auction and it didn’t. you could have went and bought it (for cheaper than your original offer) and didn’t
probably did you a favour since you’re still chewing on the last one
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me in lala land?
you started a thread claiming he robs his owners, implying he benefited financially from the horse selling for less at auction than a private sale which is insane, especially if he owned a piece of it.
it’s an open and shut case of sour grapes. he thought it would sell for more at public auction and it didn’t. you could have went and bought it (for cheaper than your original offer) and didn’t
probably did you a favour since you’re still chewing on the last one
actually i sold the last one...
and who is still chewing on it...
the guy who paid 57 and had it for 2 years plus paid staking payments or the guy who paid 13 and sold for 10 3 months later
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First off in this business no one in their right mind would invest so much in a industry that forever has a bad ROI. Most people Do it for many reasons one being they have capital to do so. But as time goes by even people with money their brain takes over and realizes throwing good money at bad isn't a business plan. Once the entertainment value goes away so does the passion of wasting money.
Here is my point and I see Swandre after seeing numbers in print didn't want to elaborate on those? You can't go on record with videos to clients who have a actually grip on the horses through the season and say I have thick skin and can take all the criticism....then shoot back and say this is the stable best season. Say what? Look at the numbers and yes still some racing and bills to go. But it's a poor blanket statement he throws out there without knowing the numbers. At this point he isn't a SALESMAN but the CEO. If Tim Cook put out false claims before a quarterly report and the numbers don't back up those claims the stock gets crushed. Same thing here. He is the CEO on record with hundreds of clients/shareholders in horses....putting out false info. Just look at the numbers? He also mentioned that 20% of the clients are having a good year and 80% aren't. Based on those numbers how does he get to 20%. Out of the 75 babies he started with I see 2 that are having a GOOD year. I'll let u do the math that 2 in 75...Not so good and nowhere near 20%.
I don't have issue with the stable and think it's a good thing and also lets clients see the horses train down. More big trainers should do the same. With that said you can't come out go on record propping up your numbers when it's easy to see the numbers and get called out. At this point like most of racing under any trainer and will volume. It becomes the ponzi scheme of keeping it going. Do you think the stable will slow it down and buy smart and purchase only 25? No full steam ahead. Just remember those 55 will be turned out and started up 6 months before racing already at a loss before a chance to earn money again. The new babies on track for 9 months before a chance to earn money. This business only takes 2 or 3 years of mediocre to go up in flames.
this guy gets it
again, i admire what he is doing...
but shoot it straight
and no need to go with 75 horses instead of 30 unless you are just padding your own pockets
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There was 1 IL bred. Olympic hopeful
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There are reasons why horses sell at the blooded sale in Aug. A small sale at Goshen. The Buckeye in OH. For the most part they didn't make the grade to be in the bigger sale.if your building a stable for future racing your staying away from those sales. Sure you will find value but is that the value you really want?. You can go to the big sales many horses fail through the crack and you can get good value and good horses. You can still buy 50 at those 4 sales and have value. Junk will always be junk with a jewel comes along every once in a while. Don't get the reasoning to have volume and clients will pick up on that and only one person will be holding the bag on a lot of shares being open.
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Because thats too many horses...
Im at 20 and its working well
YOUR AT 20 AND ON PLOP AT 10 O CLOCK IN THE MORNING?
ngc3
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as an owner of 20 horses why do you care what others do?
are you a crusader??..The same crusader who was lauding the stable about a year ago..
So Anthony didn't sell you the horse thinking he could get more at the sale..
Happens all the time..horses go for more go for less...
So he rolled the dice & cost the 25 owners what $150 each...There are worse shaftings that go on in this business on a daily scale..
My thing to you is just move along..You seem to be doing well...so enjoy it..
The rest of us are big boys & girls & can spend our daddys money as we please..
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Swandre for the record as you state if it's so easy. Well it's not easy, taken years to find what works, and what doesn't. Off my list is buying a pacer. They have to pace in 52 or better at 2 to be something. If they can't even get to 55 at best you have a lifer maiden-nw2 condition horse. A pacing filly, pass no added value unless she was expensive and has some pedigree to breed back. Trotters but not colts which usually is a gelding after a few months of training. Never had much luck but maybe with a couple and lost the ambition of a Hambo starter a long time ago. Which brings me to trotting fillies. Have had decent success over the years and that's the lane I stick to. I've done enough research on pedigree and crosses and what to stay away from. However all that takes money and more then a few lumps along the way. Also the old adage of a trotter will break your heart...is only so true. But be realistic and true which is only what I ask for from a trainer. Owners don't need to have smoke blown up their asses there isn't any room with the training and vet bills already stuffed up there. Fair and honest goes a long way to keeping owners. Recently, I do not see honest?
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I like trotters too-
people don't realize that some of the stuff he has done is really next level stuff..
From the sales board to the videos to accessibility...
This way is probably not for everyone, especially the old guard but have met a lot of great people & because of that formed partnerships outside of the stable.
Bottom line he is bringing people into the game, a game that needs all the help it can get.
If there is some occasional smoke blowing or excuses for poor performance or horse..I have seen that down the line from many trainers.
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as an owner of 20 horses why do you care what others do?
are you a crusader??..The same crusader who was lauding the stable about a year ago..
So Anthony didn't sell you the horse thinking he could get more at the sale..
Happens all the time..horses go for more go for less...
So he rolled the dice & cost the 25 owners what $150 each...There are worse shaftings that go on in this business on a daily scale..
My thing to you is just move along..You seem to be doing well...so enjoy it..
The rest of us are big boys & girls & can spend our daddys money as we please..
Its more than this sale. He strung me along on bea my delight charging 6k a month for her to race
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Ive had over 50 trainers so i know when a trainer is being honest and when they are stringing you along for a training bill...
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PL I totally agree and for the most part like what is going on. Which is different promoting entertainment. But big picture it's a multi million dollar venture. So with that there is a thin line you can't cross. When you can't be exact with numbers and this is a numbers game...they don't lie. You can't cover up what he terms success when success comes in terms of money not a win picture. If his terms are only on people having fun it's different. When he says 20% are having a good year or up to this timeframe this year is the best year of the Stable and a success. It's not and not close. One can't cherry pick one jurisdiction that had some success and not mention 6 others that has been more of fail? You can't use the excuse PA is tougher when you had a Lawmaker or a White Tiger. Just remember numbers never lie..You can distort them but then you can be a Madoff in a lot of trouble. There are reasons why people don't get big in this industry it's hard and it's costly. If you have owners with deep pockets like Burke then it's possible to have a long run. How many known trainers have lost clients over time when the success ship starts to take on water? My only advice is for him to be true to what the stable is and if it's a bad year man up and say it's a bad year. I believe he did early on with the poor showing of 3 year olds.
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Just wait till this class of 2 year olds turns three...
He had almost all of them ready in june...
Rushed along and overraced and usually sent right from the gate is a recipe for not coming back good at 3
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well no shortage of opinions
lets be honest , most people like to attack the stable because it and amac are out there, always doing updates etc
I don't see anyone calling out luc blais( or others) when he runs out a $250 k yearling purchase that is now 3 and a maiden
stuff happens
the nice thing is that nobody HAS to join the stable , free choice
also it is like the stock market some people make money some don't
in horse racing some people actually make money ( yes it is tough) and some don't
some people are just smarter and luckier in the horses they own
and while I understand that the 2 yr season is important I am pretty sure that the horses are allowed to come back and race at 3 and even 4 and beyond so don't expect to recoup the whole price of the horse in the 2 yr season
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He wants a paper trail and going through auction accomplishes that. With so many owners on one horse he can't call everybody to ask them if they will take $11,000.00--A lot of horses get sold with trainer taking a cut under the table so auction is proper way.
I read his perspective a few yrs ago and the imaginary prices he was evaluating the stock was insane.
He had a 2 y/o that did not make the races and he put down that his value was 40K , he was a 25K purchase as a yearling.
Amac is getting rich NO ONE ELSE.
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6K a month wow. 3 months to get ready and 6 months of racing 9 x 6K = $54,000.00 so your break even would be close to 60K impossible.
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6K a month wow. 3 months to get ready and 6 months of racing 9 x 6K = $54,000.00 so your break even would be close to 60K impossible.
Bingo. And that was for a nw2 horse. Much higher a month for horses that ship and are in higher classes
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6K a month wow. 3 months to get ready and 6 months of racing 9 x 6K = $54,000.00 so your break even would be close to 60K impossible.
I am not doubting his numbers but looking at a horse like spend that money who raced in ohio during stakes season was $3,000 for the month.
Maybe there was a large vet bill or something like that.
My issue was purple sheet was on here a year ago how great he was doing with the stable.
Ends up buying a few pigs & then starts blaming everyone else but himself..
I have bought plenty of goats but nobody gets blamed other then me..
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I am not doubting his numbers but looking at a horse like spend that money who raced in ohio during stakes season was $3,000 for the month.
Maybe there was a large vet bill or something like that.
My issue was purple sheet was on here a year ago how great he was doing with the stable.
Ends up buying a few pigs & then starts blaming everyone else but himself..
I have bought plenty of goats but nobody gets blamed other then me..
I was applauding him when I only had babies training down once they started racing and I saw that they weren't what he said they were and I saw that the bills were higher than they said they were I changed my opinion it has nothing to do with the horses not working out I've been in this game 30 years I understand horses don't work out
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I was applauding him when I only had babies training down once they started racing and I saw that they weren't what he said they were and I saw that the bills were higher than they said they were I changed my opinion it has nothing to do with the horses not working out I've been in this game 30 years I understand horses don't work out
& not here representing the stable -& do agree with some of your assessments..
Just think it is time to move on.
Honestly you come here a bad mouth the guy- essentially call him a criminal & then are outraged when he doesn't gift wrap a horse for you.
Business is business but why would he do you any favors..
& you have bought a horse off him before that went backward so we all can make miscalculations..
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I was applauding him when I only had babies training down once they started racing and I saw that they weren't what he said they were and I saw that the bills were higher than they said they were I changed my opinion it has nothing to do with the horses not working out I've been in this game 30 years I understand horses don't work out
Now you're telling me:
1. With 6-7 straight winning years behind you
2. You bought a bunch of babies with the guy
3. You didn't do enough research on what his bills would be.
4. You lost money
5. Nonetheless, you just tried to buy off him
6. You didn't get the deal
7. So you're crying.
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Impossible to make any money in shares
6k a month plus plus. Is in Allard zone Anthony ain't In Allards world or will he ever bee.
Everyone promises monster when they training down
Most are nothin
Everyone eats bad horse buys .
6 k a month plus plus is very steep
Jmvho
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guys, just to clarify
the bills on average are not $6k month
certainly not for the entire season and certainly not for all horses
to suggest you need to make $60 k to break even on just the monthly bills( no purchase price factored in ) is wrong
perhaps in the odd occassion where some vet work was required and a bunch of shipping and starting fees etc than perhaps
and yes the usa bills can be higher
good horses cost money to race
you do always have the option of buying Ontario breds which race within an hour of the farm so shipping is minimal , no usa issues to deal with
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Now you're telling me:
1. With 6-7 straight winning years behind you
2. You bought a bunch of babies with the guy
3. You didn't do enough research on what his bills would be.
4. You lost money
5. Nonetheless, you just tried to buy off him
6. You didn't get the deal
7. So you're crying.
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Your a fuckup
I did research the bills.
He misled what they were
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& not here representing the stable -& do agree with some of your assessments..
Just think it is time to move on.
Honestly you come here a bad mouth the guy- essentially call him a criminal & then are outraged when he doesn't gift wrap a horse for you.
Business is business but why would he do you any favors..
& you have bought a horse off him before that went backward so we all can make miscalculations..
You say you dont want to argue on here vut then you totally misread the issue.
Ot has nothing to do with "giftwtlrapping"
If anything i tried to gift wrap a sale For HIM
How is it gift wrapping if I am willing to pay more than fair market value?
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Your a fuckup
I did research the bills.
He misled what they were
Of course im going to try to buy off of someone with 150 horses that cant give each horse the attention it needs
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how can the bill be $6k for a month, never mind 3 months
the site says your monthly bill is $2500 plus extras. Thats $3500 of extras?
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Agree Jug. They are not maybe 2k, max 2500 for first 9 months. Maybe three months in Mar, Apr, and May they go up with stake payments. If your in PA your racing bills will be higher based on travel, paddock, vet work, entry fee for a stake race. My guess to race a 2yr old into Oct hitting sires or stallions or buckeye or sire stakes in IN would put a price tag for 12 months around 30k. Maybe around 35k. If your higher it's because of GC payments, extra travel because of GC racing, a higher day rate then what the stable charged, but 60k is way out there. I also understand to the one who mentioned they race at 3 and race at 4. Yes understand however the meter never stops and the bills still rack up. Having a 2 yr old pay for itself even if it's a breakeven is a good place to end a season...then play catch up at 3. My opinion hardest thing in racing going from 2 to 3.
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Mr. Belmontchurchill,
Excellent, sage advice, bravo!
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His latest dilemma is what is his best way to charge owners for him going to the sale. lol. I guess getting 80 yearlings in training isnt payment enough.
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What a horrible day he had on Jugette Day.............. ...............ho w will he explain this to his 200 owners.
He was favored twice......both made breaks
He raced for $250,000....and got a 4th and a 5th......$ 6100 in total
Jason McGinnis must be a very good trainer...to make so much money ..with AM driving
And AM could have used a top 10 driver in every race ??
If he puts some of these horses in a sale......they will be a good buy..and move forward on the driver change alone
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What a horrible day he had on Jugette Day.............. ...............ho w will he explain this to his 200 owners.
He was favored twice......both made breaks
He raced for $250,000....and got a 4th and a 5th......$ 6100 in total
Jason McGinnis must be a very good trainer...to make so much money ..with AM driving
And AM could have used a top 10 driver in every race ??
If he puts some of these horses in a sale......they will be a good buy..and move forward on the driver change alone
Looks Easy.
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His latest dilemma is what is his best way to charge owners for him going to the sale. lol. I guess getting 80 yearlings in training isnt payment enough.
Do other trainers do this? Charge travel expenses for yearling sales? I haven't had any of my trainers do this or even bring it up, but I don't know what the bigger stables do. Seems like it's simply the cost of doing business, but maybe other stables charge administrative fees to go to Lexington or Harrisburg. I've just never seen it.
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Never heard that one...EVER
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CHARGING FOR DRONE VIDEO SERVICES IS JUST THE BEGINNING
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for him its about telling people he is in on jugette day
the results are irrelevant
i had a friend that i brought into the stable today text me and ask
so when do we make money??
i put him in on a cheap horse before i knew anthonys bills. the horse made 15k this year...not bad for a 6k buy...but with anthonys bills hes getting killed
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I guess it's a different model, more access, more videos, direct lines of communication. Perhaps there are a few more expenses that other trainers just don't have like the website and bookkeepers to track all the share transactions.
I do hope they continue to succeed because of all the new people they are bringing into the sport, but those people can sour very quickly if they don't see any results (which is true of any business I guess).
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as I've said a million times I applaud his efforts but he can be doing the same efforts and pocketing far less money and getting a better chance of keeping the people in
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Sounded like a good idea in the beginning
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I guess it's a different model, more access, more videos, direct lines of communication. Perhaps there are a few more expenses that other trainers just don't have like the website and bookkeepers to track all the share transactions.
I do hope they continue to succeed because of all the new people they are bringing into the sport, but those people can sour very quickly if they don't see any results (which is true of any business I guess).
Well said
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Why charge less if morons are willing to pay more
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That seems to be very true
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Anthony should concentrate on training full time, he can't drive a lick
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This thread reminds me of the hardships of being a naive owner with high hopes, hanging on every word that your trainer tells you of the potential of your horse. In a very early experience I had as an owner about 15 years ago, my friends and I were lucky (so we thought) to get involved with a very fast decently bred 2-year old trotter, a PA bred. 2nd in his first lifetime start, then came from clouds to win his 2nd start, thereafter won an overnight at Lexington, before he was shut down in favor of his 3-year old campaign. Trained down the following March like a giant, upon which Mike Lachance said to me one morning at Showplace that we had a legit PA sire stake horse, if not a top tier trotter (** ML was not the trainer, rather was schooling the horse for the trainer). Couldn't have been more stoked. Unfortunately the horse was giant before 11 AM, and was a habitual breaker when it mattered. But fast as hell! On the recommendation of our trainer (who wound up having an incredible year with several champions) we moved him to a local PA trainer/driver, supposedly good with trotters. He did seem to get him a little better, and in May PA sire stake start, he came a decent 2nd. As we had him already staked to the Goodtimes, the trainer said we should send him, and I asked to whom? He said with me of course, I'm the only one that can drive him, you pay travel and lodging. Foolishly we agreed. As it was, he was leading his elimination heat (mid stretch by 4 lengths) at huge odds, but broke unprovoked, and didn't qualify for the final. The trainer/driver said he stepped on a shoe, but truthfully I watched that replay no less than 100 times, there was no shoe, all bullshit, as simply the trainer/driver over drove the horse when all he had to do was qualify for the final.
A week later he wins an overnight at Pocono, but more breaks followed the rest of the summer. Finally the trainer says to me around Hambo time, "Listen your trotter isn't much, can't get around a track, but I know someone who offered me $8k, but I think I can get you $10k, and I think you should take it, what do you think?" Instinctively I knew he was trying to roll us (the horse was still a stud by the way, and naturally fast), told him that he was out of his mind, and immediately we pulled the horse from him on the spot. A week following I was contacted by some agent for a Swedish concern asking if we were interested in selling the horse. I did the math and knew we had about $69,000 into this horse from the start (purchase price, training, stake payments, etc, against nominal earnings), and said sure he's for sale, for $70,000. Agent said fine, we sold him for $70k, and basically broke even on him when all was said and done. In retrospect I probably could have gotten more, but at the time was so happy to unload him as the 3-year old season was winding down, and he couldn't stay flat trotting. More importantly I always suspected that this Agent had contacted my trainer a week or so earlier, but I never took the time to follow up on that. Truthfully I didn't want to know the answer. We were just happy to get out on this with our clothes still on.
No real point to this story, although the tone of this thread reminded me of this fucked up experience I had with this one trainer, and his particular form of bullshit. Live and learn; caveat emptor.
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Mismanagement on a horse by horse basus is incredibly bad
Libero Hanover
Was for sale 2 weeks ago before a race hes was going to get no money in and the bid was 37k.
They decided not to sell.
Horse gets no money.
Now for sale again, probably get 20k less. Plus the 3k to train the horse 2 more weeks and stakes entry fee.
Another 25k less on just this horse in 2 weeks that Anthony costs his owners
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Mismanagement on a horse by horse basus is incredibly bad
Libero Hanover
Was for sale 2 weeks ago before a race hes was going to get no money in and the bid was 37k.
They decided not to sell.
Horse gets no money.
Now for sale again, probably get 20k less. Plus the 3k to train the horse 2 more weeks and stakes entry fee.
Another 25k less on just this horse in 2 weeks that Anthony costs his owners
You are an asshole.
You've been ragging about this guy for a year.
He's got a huge number of horses; fucking up is going to happen.
He is The Man In The Arena.
Meanwhile you cry when your horse gets beat at Monticello.
You are playing with your Pop's money.
That's all.
Stop acting like you are saving the world.
For fuck's sake.
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You are an asshole.
You've been ragging about this guy for a year.
He's got a huge number of horses; fucking up is going to happen.
He is The Man In The Arena.
Meanwhile you cry when your horse gets beat at Monticello.
You are playing with your Pop's money.
That's all.
Stop acting like you are saving the world.
For fuck's sake.
HOLY COW!!!!
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You are an asshole.
You've been ragging about this guy for a year.
He's got a huge number of horses; fucking up is going to happen.
He is The Man In The Arena.
Meanwhile you cry when your horse gets beat at Monticello.
You are playing with your Pop's money.
That's all.
Stop acting like you are saving the world.
For fuck's sake.
When my stable has turned a six-figure profit for each of the Last 5 Years how is it my pops money
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Mismanagement on a horse by horse basus is incredibly bad
Libero Hanover
Was for sale 2 weeks ago before a race hes was going to get no money in and the bid was 37k.
They decided not to sell.
Horse gets no money.
Now for sale again, probably get 20k less. Plus the 3k to train the horse 2 more weeks and stakes entry fee.
Another 25k less on just this horse in 2 weeks that Anthony costs his owners
And I don't race Monticello but I understand why you are jealous and I guarantee you you won't say such things to my face
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When my stable has turned a six-figure profit for each of the Last 5 Years how is it my pops money
R U RICHER THAN ROCKY?
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And I don't race Monticello but I understand why you are jealous and I guarantee you you won't say such things to my face
Freehold, Monticello, what's the difference.
And yes, I'd say anything I want to your pimple-riddled face.
TBH, it's not a good fight for me unless I get a little bloody.
I'll even fuck up your old man too. Just for kicks.
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Freehold, Monticello, what's the difference.
And yes, I'd say anything I want to your pimple-riddled face.
TBH, it's not a good fight for me unless I get a little bloody.
I'll even fuck up your old man too. Just for kicks.
Hes 77 so that would be pretty low for you. But im at chester today and tom and poconos Sunday. Come say hi
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Pickfourny...all owners seem to have that kind of story. Trainers created out of the same cloth. Maybe with a few exceptions. As far as the stable yesterday a utter disappointment. Of the 55 two year olds they are holding over 35 have made 0-10k. Most big stables would be trimming fat but this what happens when it's claimed entertainment ngc3
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Pickfourny...all owners seem to have that kind of story. Trainers created out of the same cloth. Maybe with a few exceptions. As far as the stable yesterday a utter disappointment. Of the 55 two year olds they are holding over 35 have made 0-10k. Most big stables would be trimming fat but this what happens when it's claimed entertainment ngc3
not too mention they were started in june and most were sent on the engine so things will only get worse at 3
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Jimmy how does one get out of a horse he or she owns shares of. I'm just asking
I never owned shares will Anthony buy unhappy owners out. I was at juggete day Anthony seemed lost out there as driver don't know what he is as trainer
If he has 60 horses now and not selling many and takes on another 50 or 60 how will each horse get needed attention
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HE'S HAD OVER 50 TRAINERS...
ASK THE GUY
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Mismanagement on a horse by horse basus is incredibly bad
Libero Hanover
Was for sale 2 weeks ago before a race hes was going to get no money in and the bid was 37k.
They decided not to sell.
Horse gets no money.
Now for sale again, probably get 20k less. Plus the 3k to train the horse 2 more weeks and stakes entry fee.
Another 25k less on just this horse in 2 weeks that Anthony costs his owners
When someone owns a horse (or anything for that matter) what they do with it is their business and not yours.
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man do I wish this was the case when I had horses with Anthony I constantly gave him advice and he never listened to any of it
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When someone owns a horse (or anything for that matter) what they do with it is their business and not yours.
Case in point I totally disagreed with the way he was managing Stonebridge Simba so I sold and again he is still miss managing it by shipping a horse across the state to raise for 24,000 where he will be 50 to 1 when he could have gone off the favorite for 14000 like last week
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Jimmy how does one get out of a horse he or she owns shares of. I'm just asking
I never owned shares will Anthony buy unhappy owners out. I was at juggete day Anthony seemed lost out there as driver don't know what he is as trainer
If he has 60 horses now and not selling many and takes on another 50 or 60 how will each horse get needed attention
howar taylor
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Jimmy how does one get out of a horse he or she owns shares of. I'm just asking
I never owned shares will Anthony buy unhappy owners out. I was at juggete day Anthony seemed lost out there as driver don't know what he is as trainer
If he has 60 horses now and not selling many and takes on another 50 or 60 how will each horse get needed attention
Let me help.
1. No, he will not buy you out, nor should he. He should be working on making ALL the horses and their owners successful, not wiping the tears of a few sobbing crybabies.
2. There is ALWAYS a secondary market. Your shares have value. And that value, like anything else, is EXACTLY WHAT SOMEONE WILL PAY YOU WHEN YOU WANT TO SELL.
I hope this helps.
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getting out of a horse was never an issue...
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Bump
Pyramids about to crumble.
Very upset owners...
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hes on face book promoting all the horses hes buyin at sale plus promoting all the horses racing in Canada last few nights
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do you mean the one horse he bought in Kentucky last night at the end of the sale to justify his ridiculous cost of attending Paradise that he's passing on to the owners?
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Just curious how many horses does the stable have going down at the Grand circuit in Kentucky? They sure as hell were paid up into all of those steaks
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I saw he bought 1
my friend tryin to sellin hiz share of ohio trotter he has with him
rose something
,,I don't know the details
he bought something cheap didn't like video on horse he got last night
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I saw maintenance man was a lame scratch and is in a condition Claymore up in Canada so he's not going to make the Bluegrass this year
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Just curious how many horses does the stable have going down at the Grand circuit in Kentucky? They sure as hell were paid up into all of those steaks
IF THE TRAINER IS TRUTHFUL WITH OWNERS
HE OR SHE SHOULD KNOW IF THEY ARE GRAND CIRCUIT MATERIAL FIRST FEW TIMES HE SITS ON THEM
UNLESS HES JUST BLOWIN SMOKE UP THEIR ASSES
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They are all going to be just fine up until the day that he says they need to be sold.
By the way did you ever notice in his commentary everything is a quote on quote little break? Always just a little break I'm waiting for the day his horse just quote on quote brakes
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Bump
Pyramids about to crumble.
Very upset owners...
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You've been saying this for a year.
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SUN AND SHADE
A CONVINCING RUNER UP FEW DAYS AGO
HIS WORDS NOT MINE
HES DOING ADMIRABLE JOB;
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You've been saying this for a year.
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Not true. A year ago i was still involved heavily in the stable. Wasnt till march i saw the training bills for a horse racing and i got out
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I am waiting for Purple Sheet to start his ownership group..
Profiting 6 figures every year- imagine with some backing..Grand Curcuit EZ $$$
Just gander over the sales from Lexington last 2 years & would imagine there are a lot of people who have made a lot more expensive
mistakes then your friend losing $25 a share....broken record
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I am waiting for Purple Sheet to start his ownership group..
Profiting 6 figures every year- imagine with some backing..Grand Curcuit EZ $$$
Just gander over the sales from Lexington last 2 years & would imagine there are a lot of people who have made a lot more expensive
mistakes then your friend losing $25 a share....broken record
Why would i want to share the profits??
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I am waiting for Purple Sheet to start his ownership group..
Profiting 6 figures every year- imagine with some backing..Grand Curcuit EZ $$$
Just gander over the sales from Lexington last 2 years & would imagine there are a lot of people who have made a lot more expensive
mistakes then your friend losing $25 a share....broken record
Also i dont buy yearlings
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Why would i want to share the profits??
buy better horses- have any grand circuit winners, stakes winners?
& if memory serves me right- the horse you bought of Anthony went backwards & you LOST MONEY
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buy better horses- have any grand circuit winners, stakes winners?
& if memory serves me right- the horse you bought of Anthony went backwards & you LOST MONEY
Im doing just fine with the model i have now.
And yes i lost a little with the one i bout off Anthony, maybe 4k. He lost about 80k on jyst that one horse. So find a better arguement
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buy better horses- have any grand circuit winners, stakes winners?
& if memory serves me right- the horse you bought of Anthony went backwards & you LOST MONEY
you want to go around and brag about what's takes your racing in and that makes you happy go right ahead that's not my model my model is based upon profits
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Im doing just fine with the model i have now.
And yes i lost a little with the one i bout off Anthony, maybe 4k. He lost about 80k on jyst that one horse. So find a better arguement
I am not arguing - just bringing up a point that you bought one & lost money..Doubt is was $4,000 ..sounds like Stable math to me.
Listen I am not advocating fractional ownership or the stable or any of the groups but to think he is a different then the others is just wrong..
If Joe Schmoe wants to buy 2% of a horse so be it...Your narrative is personal (because you lost $ or didn't get your way) which is what bothers me..
You are the same guy who was lauding the stable as the best thing since sliced bread...lost money- same thing over & over
Move along - buy horses- make $$
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you want to go around and brag about what's takes your racing in and that makes you happy go right ahead that's not my model my model is based upon profits
I have never bragged about anything on this site..How I continue to make money every year
Yes, I have had some good ones..but this year 2 air balls///
aint blaming my trainer- just try again
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I am not arguing - just bringing up a point that you bought one & lost money..Doubt is was $4,000 ..sounds like Stable math to me.
Listen I am not advocating fractional ownership or the stable or any of the groups but to think he is a different then the others is just wrong..
If Joe Schmoe wants to buy 2% of a horse so be it...Your narrative is personal (because you lost $ or didn't get your way) which is what bothers me..
You are the same guy who was lauding the stable as the best thing since sliced bread...lost money- same thing over & over
Move along - buy horses- make $$
instead of focusing on the 4000 that I lost why don't you keep thinking about the 80,000 he lost on the one horse and multiply that times the 300 horse is he's done that on
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instead of focusing on the 4000 that I lost why don't you keep thinking about the 80,000 he lost on the one horse and multiply that times the 300 horse is he's done that on
But no go ahead and dissect whether I lost 4,000 or 3,000 or 5,000 that really makes a huge difference
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I never lie or fabricate anything I bought the horse for 12 racestar for about 3 months got three or four small checks then sold for 10.
Really something you want to attack?
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I have never bragged about anything on this site..How I continue to make money every year
Yes, I have had some good ones..but this year 2 air balls///
aint blaming my trainer- just try again
LOSIN MONEY IS 99 PERCENT OF THIS GAME
IF U CAN AFFORD TO THROW AWAYA FEW BUCKS ,,ENJOY
PS
IM STUCK 229K,,
3 DUDS,AND 2 RODENTS,,
THK GOD FOR FRAMED tmbz1
LAVERN SEE U AT SALE tmbz1
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But no go ahead and dissect whether I lost 4,000 or 3,000 or 5,000 that really makes a huge difference
You are missing the point Josh- whether you lost 3,4, or 5 is not the point..
People should experience the stable or any other fractional group & make their own decisions...
Get in for a few hundred- nobody gets hurt...If it isn't for you then move along...
Sold my NFL tickets last weekend for Bears at $1,100 per ticket...$2,200 for 2 tickets now that seems crazy to me..
Or the guy who wants to spend 20k to watch a lion shit in Kenya..
Or the guy who blows $500 in a night at the casino or betting horses
I am sure many of your gripes are spot on- & probably don't disagree but just think you have Sinbadded this subject to death
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LOSIN MONEY IS 99 PERCENT OF THIS GAME
IF U CAN AFFORD TO THROW AWAYA FEW BUCKS ,,ENJOY
PS
IM STUCK 229K,,
3 DUDS,AND 2 RODENTS,,
THK GOD FOR FRAMED tmbz1
LAVERN SEE U AT SALE tmbz1
counting my spare change as we speak : )
already have the 1 baby from Ohio sale- indy trotting filly
hopefully get trotting colt & pacer
could be worse then the 2 pigs from last sale
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You are missing the point Josh- whether you lost 3,4, or 5 is not the point..
People should experience the stable or any other fractional group & make their own decisions...
Get in for a few hundred- nobody gets hurt...If it isn't for you then move along...
Sold my NFL tickets last weekend for Bears at $1,100 per ticket...$2,200 for 2 tickets now that seems crazy to me..
Or the guy who wants to spend 20k to watch a lion shit in Kenya..
Or the guy who blows $500 in a night at the casino or betting horses
I am sure many of your gripes are spot on- & probably don't disagree but just think you have Sinbadded this subject to death
I wouldn't have brought it up unless I heard about a whole new way he started scamming that really will bring this to an end it's essentially the bank robber charging the bank for his getaway car
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Raise your hand if you would rather be in Kentucky now than doing whatever you are doing reading this forum?
I think most of us... having to be paid to go look at beautiful horses in Kentucky?
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LOTS OF TRAINERS BEING PAID TO GO LOOK AT HORSES FOR OWNERS IN KENTUCKY THIS WEEK,,
SOME ARE RACIN ALSO
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instead of focusing on the 4000 that I lost why don't you keep thinking about the 80,000 he lost on the one horse and multiply that times the 300 horse is he's done that on
Have you gotten over the Freehold race you lost and wailed about?
I'd think you'd have to get past that to manage all your profits.
Have you?
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Have you gotten over the Freehold race you lost and wailed about?
I'd think you'd have to get past that to manage all your profits.
Have you?
I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA PUNCH SHITKICKER
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Have you gotten over the Freehold race you lost and wailed about?
I'd think you'd have to get past that to manage all your profits.
Have you?
no I haven't but neither have you obviously though I've probably raised a thousand times in between so I don't really understand why you're bringing it up
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Have you gotten over the Freehold race you lost and wailed about?
I'd think you'd have to get past that to manage all your profits.
Have you?
what's more pathetic me complaining about a raise that I have a horse in where I feel that the rules have been bended or you bringing it up six months later even though it has absolutely nothing to do with you or anything that we've been talkin about
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what's more pathetic me complaining about a raise that I have a horse in where I feel that the rules have been bended or you bringing it up six months later even though it has absolutely nothing to do with you or anything that we've been talkin about
I would say you are being more pathetic by a factor of 1000x.
You're trying to fuck over a guy you lost money with, trying to fake a front by telling us you want to SAVE other people.
Before you cried about other people costing you money and what really happened is you didn't know how to read a condition book.
Good luck playing profitable horse owner with your pop's cash.
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I would say you are being more pathetic by a factor of 1000x.
You're trying to fuck over a guy you lost money with, trying to fake a front by telling us you want to SAVE other people.
Before you cried about other people costing you money and what really happened is you didn't know how to read a condition book.
Good luck playing profitable horse owner with your pop's cash.
how am I trying to fuck him over besides saying exactly what happened
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if I was fucking him over I would make up things or expand the truth I understand why you would think that I'm fucking him over based upon the things that I'm saying but what I'm saying is actually what's happening unfortunately
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DOES HE WALK LIKE ONE OF JERRYS KIDS?
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Again, to each their own. I've not seen other trainers charge for their travel expenses, but if people are willing to pay for that then who knows, it may catch on (I sure as hell hope not though lol).
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if I was fucking him over I would make up things or expand the truth I understand why you would think that I'm fucking him over based upon the things that I'm saying but what I'm saying is actually what's happening unfortunately
people might take you more seriously if you didn’t act like a crybaby on here every day. get a new hobby man. try a crossword puzzle.
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if I was fucking him over I would make up things or expand the truth I understand why you would think that I'm fucking him over based upon the things that I'm saying but what I'm saying is actually what's happening unfortunately
You went bat-shit bonkers over a $3000 race at Freehold.
And you're trying to fuck him over because there are always 3 versions of the truth. Yours, his and what actually happened. And you proclaim yours as unassailable.
Give us a break.
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You went bat-shit bonkers over a $3000 race at Freehold.
And you're trying to fuck him over because there are always 3 versions of the truth. Yours, his and what actually happened. And you proclaim yours as unassailable.
Give us a break.
ive put facts out...
if they werent facts would you have attacked them instead of my personality?
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people might take you more seriously if you didn’t act like a crybaby on here every day. get a new hobby man. try a crossword puzzle.
If he wasn't doing so when he fucked up things I wouldn't have to keep reporting them... And again what's more pathetic me reporting the negative things happening in this industry or you just commenting consistently on the things that I'm reporting even though you have no idea who I am what I do or what's going on with the stable
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You went bat-shit bonkers over a $3000 race at Freehold.
And you're trying to fuck him over because there are always 3 versions of the truth. Yours, his and what actually happened. And you proclaim yours as unassailable.
Give us a break.
it doesnt matter if it was a 3k race or a 300k race. i dont appreciate people breaking and bending the rules for a select few. it hurts the business. i do this to help the business. you can hate me or attack me for whatever reason you want but i feel its right to report the wrong doings
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so far 3 yearlings have sold for less than 22k...
anthony bought 2 of them...
so is he buying "value" or just buying crap to justify his cost of being there for 9 days...
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BOUGHT 2 FOR 15K EACH I BELIEVE,
LOOKS LIKE HES REALLY REACHIN WITH THESE BUYS
OR HES THE SMARTEST MAN AT FASIG TIPTON..
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IS HE BUYIN TOO CHEAP TO SELL 1 SHARE AT A TIME.. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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so far 3 yearlings have sold for less than 22k...
anthony bought 2 of them...
so is he buying "value" or just buying crap to justify his cost of being there for 9 days...
unless you’re buying into one : it’s really none of your business. when a handful of horse ploppers of all people say you whine too much, it might be time to take a look in the mirror.
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so far 3 yearlings have sold for less than 22k...
anthony bought 2 of them...
so is he buying "value" or just buying crap to justify his cost of being there for 9 days...
and whats wrong with the one he bought - certainly on paper with that mare ? Havent seen how he stands or goes, but maybe he toes in (out) but in the ring didnt look that terrible - certainly looked better than the one that went for $3k
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The 3000 colt will surprise.
Watch.
This is how crazy stuff happens
I'm praying horse becomes a race horse tmbz1
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151 he bought for 15k. looks awesome on paper. looked a little bit slight in the ring, but great page and way cheaper than what the pedigree shows. hard to say without being there, but on paper, thats an easy one to part out for sure. id say that was a great risk to take. low risk, huge pedigree upside.
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and whats wrong with the one he bought - certainly on paper with that mare ? Havent seen how he stands or goes, but maybe he toes in (out) but in the ring didnt look that terrible - certainly looked better than the one that went for $3k
Anthony made presale videos of at least 50 horses and the ones that he thought so far weren't on the list of videos that he bought there for you can only conclude that they were reaches that he bought just to buy something
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151 he bought for 15k. looks awesome on paper. looked a little bit slight in the ring, but great page and way cheaper than what the pedigree shows. hard to say without being there, but on paper, thats an easy one to part out for sure. id say that was a great risk to take. low risk, huge pedigree upside.
I agree with everything that you're saying and had he mentioned this one prior to the sale then I wouldn't have an issue with it but when he mentions 50 horses and then buys horses that he hasn't even mentioned it makes you think he is buying horses just to buy something
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I agree with everything that you're saying and had he mentioned this one prior to the sale then I wouldn't have an issue with it but when he mentions 50 horses and then buys horses that he hasn't even mentioned it makes you think he is buying horses just to buy something
or maybe he figured the colt would go for way more - like out of his league so he didnt. With that logic, I should see the videos of the two horses that went for $1 million then as well? I do wonder why he does video all the horses as it tips his hand potentially to breeders who can run up the price or gets the horse extra interest?
Have you ever gone to a sale with a horse(s) in mind, couldnt get them but came home with something else?
To Cory's point, had you seen the sheet on the horse and been asked to price him, I doubt you would have written $15k down. I think Cory is right - small risk - potential on the upside.
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151 on paper was a steal, just no telling for sure without seeing it. That's the biggest thing. As far as the others, which I haven't looked at, there probably is some sort of quota system, which many of these big baby trainers have. I mean, they need to buy x number for x number of clients priced at x. Kind of a bad system so to speak, but there's truth to it I think. These baby sales are tough. It's heartbreaking to go and have 5 favorites picked and they all go for double what you can spend. Then you kinda have to regroup and look for others, regardless of what your initial plan was.
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151 on paper was a steal, just no telling for sure without seeing it. That's the biggest thing. As far as the others, which I haven't looked at, there probably is some sort of quota system, which many of these big baby trainers have. I mean, they need to buy x number for x number of clients priced at x. Kind of a bad system so to speak, but there's truth to it I think. These baby sales are tough. It's heartbreaking to go and have 5 favorites picked and they all go for double what you can spend. Then you kinda have to regroup and look for others, regardless of what your initial plan was.
were you on plan at Ohio sale (take it as a compliment)
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or maybe he figured the colt would go for way more - like out of his league so he didnt. With that logic, I should see the videos of the two horses that went for $1 million then as well? I do wonder why he does video all the horses as it tips his hand potentially to breeders who can run up the price or gets the horse extra interest?
Have you ever gone to a sale with a horse(s) in mind, couldnt get them but came home with something else?
To Cory's point, had you seen the sheet on the horse and been asked to price him, I doubt you would have written $15k down. I think Cory is right - small risk - potential on the upside.
no I don't when I go to a sale I go to spy specific courses for a specific price and if they don't go for those prices I go home empty-handed because I don't have a quota of horses to buy and I don't have to charge people to go to sales and I don't make my living off of other people paying me to do what I love
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or maybe he figured the colt would go for way more - like out of his league so he didnt. With that logic, I should see the videos of the two horses that went for $1 million then as well? I do wonder why he does video all the horses as it tips his hand potentially to breeders who can run up the price or gets the horse extra interest?
Have you ever gone to a sale with a horse(s) in mind, couldnt get them but came home with something else?
To Cory's point, had you seen the sheet on the horse and been asked to price him, I doubt you would have written $15k down. I think Cory is right - small risk - potential on the upside.
I don't price yearlings but anyone in the world who would look at the pedigree of 151 coming out of a $900,000 winner for the horse to go for 15 the horse has a major issue end of Anthony did not look at the horse prior to him being in the ring then he is doing his clients a dis service
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I don't price yearlings but anyone in the world who would look at the pedigree of 151 coming out of a $900,000 winner for the horse to go for 15 the horse has a major issue end of Anthony did not look at the horse prior to him being in the ring then he is doing his clients a dis service
and you know for sure he never set eyes on this horse prior to being in the ring? He didnt see him in the back, never went to see him at all, saw him waiting to go into the ring, etc.,?
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I don't price yearlings but anyone in the world who would look at the pedigree of 151 coming out of a $900,000 winner for the horse to go for 15 the horse has a major issue end of Anthony did not look at the horse prior to him being in the ring then he is doing his clients a dis service
so he’s ripping people off by spending too much
now he’s ripping people off by not spending enough?
make up your mind. is there anyone else in the industry you’ve suggested to how to do their job? you’ve got some ego on you. you talk about how you make your living compared to someone else, too bad you couldn’t make a living crying tears you’d be Jeff Bezos rich
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so he’s ripping people off by spending too much
now he’s ripping people off by not spending enough?
make up your mind. is there anyone else in the industry you’ve suggested to how to do their job? you’ve got some ego on you. you talk about how you make your living compared to someone else, too bad you couldn’t make a living crying tears you’d be Jeff Bezos rich
I'll spell it out for you since you can't figure it out yourself.. he is just buying anything just to buy anything so we can get a training pill for the horses he buys and to justify him being there and charging to do so if he really was concerned about value he wouldn't even go until the end of the sale
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so he’s ripping people off by spending too much
now he’s ripping people off by not spending enough?
make up your mind. is there anyone else in the industry you’ve suggested to how to do their job? you’ve got some ego on you. you talk about how you make your living compared to someone else, too bad you couldn’t make a living crying tears you’d be Jeff Bezos rich
If you wanted to do the right thing he would buy less horses and really look for Quality rather than just have a certain quota of horses that he has to buy the more he buys the better it is for him
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so he’s ripping people off by spending too much
now he’s ripping people off by not spending enough?
make up your mind. is there anyone else in the industry you’ve suggested to how to do their job? you’ve got some ego on you. you talk about how you make your living compared to someone else, too bad you couldn’t make a living crying tears you’d be Jeff Bezos rich
Show me over the last 13 Pages where I ever said that he was ripping people off by spending too much at sales you are just looking to attack anything and you don't even make relevant points I said that he charges too much for his training bills and that he's not transparent on his costs and that he buys too many horses I never said that he pays too much for horses
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If he would have bought one of the horses that he had made a video about for 80,000 tonight I would have had less of an issue with that then him picking up the runt of the cell that he had never even mentioned just so he can buy a horse and justify his traveling expenses
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you guys want the thread to die let it die you guys keep up defending it I'm going to keep attacking it but the people have a right to know what's going on
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you guys want the thread to die let it die you guys keep up defending it I'm going to keep attacking it but the people have a right to know what's going on
He is obviously in your head Josh..
Has a great family & many people that appreciate what he is doing..
Not even sure what your point is anymore but as an owner I am amazed at your lack of respect...
Maybe things didn't work out for you personally-so have made that abundantly clear..(ad naseum)...who cares what he buys if people want it they will buy it if not they won't very simple..
& hopefully he took the advice that I gave him about making videos of horses he has no interest in buying & holding back on some he likes.
Nothing wrong with a little misdirection.. He didn't make a video about #69 in Indiana a few years ago either
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He is obviously in your head Josh..
Has a great family & many people that appreciate what he is doing..
Not even sure what your point is anymore but as an owner I am amazed at your lack of respect...
Maybe things didn't work out for you personally-so have made that abundantly clear..(ad naseum)...who cares what he buys if people want it they will buy it if not they won't very simple..
& hopefully he took the advice that I gave him about making videos of horses he has no interest in buying & holding back on some he likes.
Nothing wrong with a little misdirection.. He didn't make a video about #69 in Indiana a few years ago either
It's frustrating to me that he could be doing doing a great thing for the business but instead he's just doing it for profit. It's frustrating for me because I do care so much about this business and I want to see this business be successful and that does not include people having a negative experience I don't believe he is giving people The Experience he could be if he wasn't so interested in patting his pockets. Yes I got burnt by him and will never invest anymore and to each his own and I still have friends with the stable and I haven't told my friends to go running because they are small we invested and if you want to be Smalley invested and not worry about turning a profit then yes it is the right thing for you but unfortunately more and more people are more heavily invested in it and are going to get really ripped off and get really angry and make the sport look bad in doing so and I just wish Anthony would do the right thing and by 20 to 30 babies a year that he really likes rather than by 80 a year just because it's better for His prophets that spells it all out there's nothing really left to say unless you go of course want to attack my personality again for some reason
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It's frustrating to me that he could be doing doing a great thing for the business but instead he's just doing it for profit. It's frustrating for me because I do care so much about this business and I want to see this business be successful and that does not include people having a negative experience I don't believe he is giving people The Experience he could be if he wasn't so interested in patting his pockets. Yes I got burnt by him and will never invest anymore and to each his own and I still have friends with the stable and I haven't told my friends to go running because they are small we invested and if you want to be Smalley invested and not worry about turning a profit then yes it is the right thing for you but unfortunately more and more people are more heavily invested in it and are going to get really ripped off and get really angry and make the sport look bad in doing so and I just wish Anthony would do the right thing and by 20 to 30 babies a year that he really likes rather than by 80 a year just because it's better for His prophets that spells it all out there's nothing really left to say unless you go of course want to attack my personality again for some reason
don't see myself attacking your personality...You seem to know what is best for him & how he should run his business..How arrogant is that..
You have no idea regarding overhead etc (nor do I pretend to know) ..You know he is doing this for profit- what is he fucking Unicef..
You care so much about the sport...excuse me??? You don't buy any yearlings so you don't invest any of your big profits into the ground floor of the business..
Maybe you could spin off the JK fractional group & show everyone how a non profit operation works.
I am not trying to be a smart ass but have always been amused by people who explain my business to me...
I do have to chuckle a little..you buy no yearlings but you watched every single one of his videos?
For someone who has distanced himself from the stable you seem to be hip to every single video & move he makes..
& not to mention how great the stable was (your words) about 10 months ago
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& that is it for me..
I tap out..
You can continue your crusade for, truth, justice, & freedom....but look at the money spent day 1 & 2 of Lexington 31 million dollars in the first 2 days.
I will go out on a limb & say some people will lose money.
Have participated in my share of fractional groups including 2 in t breds...Most of them buy a horse for 40 & syndicate shares for 80..he is the only one selling at cost so if he throws a fex extras including travel that should not send you into a spasm.
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don't see myself attacking your personality...You seem to know what is best for him & how he should run his business..How arrogant is that..
You have no idea regarding overhead etc (nor do I pretend to know) ..You know he is doing this for profit- what is he fucking Unicef..
You care so much about the sport...excuse me??? You don't buy any yearlings so you don't invest any of your big profits into the ground floor of the business..
Maybe you could spin off the JK fractional group & show everyone how a non profit operation works.
I am not trying to be a smart ass but have always been amused by people who explain my business to me...
I do have to chuckle a little..you buy no yearlings but you watched every single one of his videos?
For someone who has distanced himself from the stable you seem to be hip to every single video & move he makes..
& not to mention how great the stable was (your words) about 10 months ago
yes I follow this for closely which is how I'm successful at it and you are being totally hypocritical in one sentence saying why don't I tell everyone how I'm successful and then the next sentence saying I should buy yearlings if I'm so successful I told you my business is that I don't buy yearlings and that helps my success but I don't hate on people who do Buy yearlings because I understand that part of this for some is living the dream but there's a way to do it honestly and there's a way to do it where you were just trying to pad your own pocket and more and more he is showing me that he's doing it to pad his own pocket rather than to help the business
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& that is it for me..
I tap out..
You can continue your crusade for, truth, justice, & freedom....but look at the money spent day 1 & 2 of Lexington 31 million dollars in the first 2 days.
I will go out on a limb & say some people will lose money.
Have participated in my share of fractional groups including 2 in t breds...Most of them buy a horse for 40 & syndicate shares for 80..he is the only one selling at cost so if he throws a fex extras including travel that should not send you into a spasm.
it's not causing me to have a spasm I'm log out of the group but when started Miri bumping this is that people in the group are having a spasm just reporting the news
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You are missing the point Josh- whether you lost 3,4, or 5 is not the point..
People should experience the stable or any other fractional group & make their own decisions...
Get in for a few hundred- nobody gets hurt...If it isn't for you then move along...
Sold my NFL tickets last weekend for Bears at $1,100 per ticket...$2,200 for 2 tickets now that seems crazy to me..
Or the guy who wants to spend 20k to watch a lion shit in Kenya..
Or the guy who blows $500 in a night at the casino or betting horses
I am sure many of your gripes are spot on- & probably don't disagree but just think you have Sinbadded this subject to death.
Mr. Purplelavern,
Excellent and succinct analogy. Bottom line, it is all about entertainment and FUN. You should only go in if the experience is worth it as such. If the cost of ownership exceeds the the fun of the experience, then one should simply remain a spectator.
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THIS IS A VERY FUNNY THREAD,,
IM GLUED...
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3.....
I DONT KNOW WHAT TURNING A BIG PROFIT MEANS IN HARNESS
IVE NEVER TURNED A BIG PROFIT OR LITTLE PROFIT AND I WON MY SHARE OF SIRES FINALS AND HAD NICE HORSES THE LAST 17 YRS..
IF U CAN LOSEA FEW BUCKS OR ALOT DOUGH BUY HORSES IF YOU CANT
THEN DONT ,,
IM TAPPING OUT
TOOOOOOOO ngc3 ngc3..
WISH ME LUCK THESE NEXT 2 FRIDAYS ,,PURPLE LAVERN,,
MAYBE I CAN TURNA PROFIT,,ALSO ;D ;D ;D tmbz1 tmbz1
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you guys want the thread to die let it die you guys keep up defending it I'm going to keep attacking it but the people have a right to know what's going on
Oh, Snap.
Bottom Line ... You're just a bitter former customer who didn't do his pre-buy due diligence on what your costs would be. How can that be given your self-proclaimed superior horse business acumen?
You didn't ask the right questions?
You got too busy reinvesting your pantload of profits to notice?
You got bamboozled?
And when challenged, you come up with "I Dare You To Say That To My Face. I'm A Boxer."
Child, please.
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Oh, Snap.
Bottom Line ... You're just a bitter former customer who didn't do his pre-buy due diligence on what your costs would be. How can that be given your self-proclaimed superior horse business acumen?
You didn't ask the right questions?
You got too busy reinvesting your pantload of profits to notice?
You got bamboozled?
And when challenged, you come up with "I Dare You To Say That To My Face. I'm A Boxer."
Child, please.
Actually I did ask the costs and I was misled by him as to what they would be so wrong again go spend your time doing something else oh that's right you're not even involved in this business
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He is obviously in your head Josh..
Has a great family & many people that appreciate what he is doing..
Not even sure what your point is anymore but as an owner I am amazed at your lack of respect...
Maybe things didn't work out for you personally-so have made that abundantly clear..(ad naseum)...who cares what he buys if people want it they will buy it if not they won't very simple..
& hopefully he took the advice that I gave him about making videos of horses he has no interest in buying & holding back on some he likes.
Nothing wrong with a little misdirection.. He didn't make a video about #69 in Indiana a few years ago either
Lol has a great family
God fucking forbid somebody with a good family does something wrong
This Macdonald Guy is a fucking clown like I said if u give this guy money u deserve to lose it
Anybody who gives this guy money is also a clown
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Actually I did ask the costs and I was misled by him as to what they would be so wrong again go spend your time doing something else oh that's right you're not even involved in this business
Sharp response.
btw, I am involved. I've made money in 1 of the last 3 years.
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Sharp response.
btw, I am involved. I've made money in 1 of the last 3 years.
so you are an owner???
where do u race....fairs?
hawthorne?
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Lol has a great family
God fucking forbid somebody with a good family does something wrong
This Macdonald Guy is a fucking clown like I said if u give this guy money u deserve to lose it
Anybody who gives this guy money is also a clown
Good point- don't hurt yourself.. angbk
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Very well explained........ ..........and very objective. Its nice to read an intelligent post.
I loved your line "leave with best, finish with the rest"..............tha t is his driving style !
I too, cannot believe, that he spends money travelling to all the tracks, where there are always competent drives available. But in the vides he produces before and after the races, his wife and family always seems to be with him.
Two points.........1. I'm sure the total costs of his trips to race, are billed back, and travelling with the family will always cost more............. but if the ownners accept his bills.....not his problem.
And 2......his postings claim that "they" Anthony and wife, run the busines. When he travels...why isn't she home running the business??
Ontario has a pretty good Grassroots program.......wit h Finals this Saturday.....2 and 3 year olds, fillies and colts , trotters and pacers........... ..10 entrants in each. Uness I'm mistaken...I didn't see even one of Anthonys in there
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Good point- don't hurt yourself.. angbk
Typical fuck face response
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so he is not the only guy doing this
how about landmark and vip
whats their deal, how do they differ
just curious
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BUYIN INTO SHARES IS A NO WIN SITUATION
JUST MY OPINION..
IF SOMEONE IS NOT WITHA SHARES TRAINER ,,WHY BITCH ABOUT
IT..
..MOVE ON,,
IVE NEVER BITCHED OR PUT DOWN ABOUT ANY MY 3 PAST TRAINERS ,,JUST THREE IN 18 YRS,,
,,,2 ARE HALL OF FAME THE OTHER PROB WILL BE TOO
GOOD DAY
SHARES ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE,,
GOOD DAY
ANTHONY MAC IS NOT A HALL OF FAME TRAINER
tmbz1
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golfhbm
my question was just for all to consider
I was just curious if these issues are consistent with other fractional share groups or just specific to the stable .ca
i dont have any information on them
appreciate your insight on the stable.ca as you seem well informed on that group
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Thank you for the reply. 2 comments I would like to make:
1. When his family travels with him they should not be added to expenses, only his at best even though in all my years I have never been billed for expenses to go to a sale
To me, this is what could really hurt this endeavor. The perception that he is traveling on the company dime with his family when he continues to preach value. If people begin to feel like his actions and his words are not in alignment, especially when he constantly preaches value, then people will begin to question everything. He is onto something here; people are not just buying what he is selling, they are buying the why as well. If they begin to question his motives, then all he has is a product that has had some modest success, but in general, is a flawed product overall where very few horses ever reach the highs no matter who the trainer is.
I do hope it all works out though. I have no ill will towards him and applaud him for taking a chance with a new model. But he's entering a phase where he started saying how affordable it could be, then marketed it as entertainment, then as value, and now seems to be adding fees that other trainers simply don't add, which seems to contradict that philosophy. The real sad thing will be that if this thing doesn't work, it is so high profile that the negative will be amplified as much as social media has spread the message in a positive way.
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I am not trying to start an argument but hope to deal with facts, not emotions. I have been involved in harness racing for over 45 years and have followed this thread form the start. I personally know 3 people involved with Anthony...2 in partnerships and 1 is a sole owner. from what I have been able to gather here is what I know or at least believe:
1. Based on his monthly rate ($25.75 per 1%) plus vet, shoeing, stakes, shipping, driver/trainer% HST, etc. it would seem that it would seem like 35K would be a fir figure to get a 2 year old thru Anthony's season (November-September)
2. In 2018 he had between 50-55 2 year olds but in 2019 he has only 12 3 year olds....pretty poor percentage of success
3. It would seem that rather than buy 50 $20,000 yearlings investors might be better off with 20 $50,000 yearlings but that poses a problem for Anthony. One it is harder to sell 1% at $500.00 than $200.00 but more importantly Anthony makes WAY more money with 50 yearlings than 20.
4. Why do people pay Anthony's training fee when in fact he rarely, if ever, sits behind your horse. If he was an A or even a B trainer, maybe, but he should quit trying to be Ron Burke. On that note, Burke in some shape or form has skin in most of his yearlings, Anthony has none.
5. To cut expenses further he should use local top drivers rather than him drive/fly to drive the horse. In my opinion his driving style is leave with the best but finish with the rest.
6. At the current Lexington sale sale he bought a yearling for 22K and then proceeded to say that he thought the horse was worth 70K-80K thereby making his case for buyin value (his favorite word) Sorry but with all the top trainers and owners at this sale only 1 of 2 explanations are valid: A. Everybody felt sorry for Anthony and let him buy the underpriced yearling or B. The horse was not worth more than 20K except in Anthony's eyes...NO one lets a 70-80K yearling sell for 22K but he like to impress that he finds bargains.
7. Also I find it strange, but it happens at every sale he goes to that he posts 50-60 videos but buys none of these. I know some people believe that he is trying to throw off other buyers but based on his track record who cares what he thinks
8. At every sale Anthony is looking to buy yearlings, good or bad because the bottom line is that the more he has the more $$$$$ he makes as Anthony is the ONLY person guaranteed to make $$$ and much of it
9. In closing his concept has some value but not the way he is doing it otherwise why would more of the top trainers be doing the same thing..reason is that he can attract $200 investors but not a $20K investor. Eventually, like most plans like this will come to an end but the sad part is that many people will have a bad taste in their mouth about harness racing.
This guy gets it
You dont have to be a genuis or overly critcial to see he is doing it for profits first. 20 50s are waaaaaay better than 50 20s
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And this thread isnt even about that. It started eith him not acting in the best interest of his owners with his current horses. And that is the issue. Then his charging to be there was another issue. Then him possibly buying horses just to justify the price of him being there became the 3rd
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And your insight into this matter is well informed and enlightening? Take a nap if it's tiresome. Mugshot upon request. AND YOU MADE A PROFIT LAST 2 OUT OF 3YRS, YET WE SEE ZERO EVIDIENCE OF ANY STARTERS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3. Some of these guys are spot on. tmbz1
You simping dolt.
I never claimed 2 out of 3 years.
Why lie about Calhoun?
I've written about my horses here for years, both with George and vip.
You don't believe me simply because I don't thump my dick when my 5% runs good or gouge out my eyes when i get a bad drive .
Like I give a single fuck what you think.
Like I give any fucks what you say others think about me.
You are a Shit Shoveler Shift Supervisor.
Stick with what you know.
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so you are an owner???
where do u race....fairs?
hawthorne?
I'm a small time share owner.
I'm also a semi-retired CPA and have known literally hundreds of people like you who made bad investments and then cried like you that they were cheated.
If you were really cheated as you claim, you'd sue the guy. But you didn't do that, did you? Tell us why.
No, instead you come here and try to fuck the guy over by projecting your loss/failure on him.
Tell your Dad that Calhoun says you need a good spanking.
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You simping dolt.
I never claimed 2 out of 3 years.
Why lie about Calhoun?
I've written about my horses here for years, both with George and vip.
You don't believe me simply because I don't thump my dick when my 5% runs good or gouge out my eyes when i get a bad drive .
Like I give a single fuck what you think.
Like I give any fucks what you say others think about me.
You are a Shit Shoveler Shift Supervisor.
Stick with what you know.
You did say 1 of the last 3 years, no? where, who, how? tmbz1 These guys are correct, but hafta be called assholes, why?
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If u wanna make money u buy shit by yourself not with partners
If u wanna have fun or act like a big shot u have partners
If u have partners u should forfeit the right to complain
If u own a horse outright u can switch trainers as u choose which would defeat the purpose of crying about one
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If u wanna make money u buy shit by yourself not with partners
If u wanna have fun or act like a big shot u have partners
If u have partners u should forfeit the right to complain
If u own a horse outright u can switch trainers as u choose which would defeat the purpose of crying about one
how bout people can do as they please...
Most people will not make money any way you slice it..
First 3 days of Lexington almost 40 million spent on horses- everyone going to make $ 73cv.2
You can operate your mind stable as you see fit..
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You simping dolt.
I never claimed 2 out of 3 years.
Why lie about Calhoun?
I've written about my horses here for years, both with George and vip.
You don't believe me simply because I don't thump my dick when my 5% runs good or gouge out my eyes when i get a bad drive .
Like I give a single fuck what you think.
Like I give any fucks what you say others think about me.
You are a Shit Shoveler Shift Supervisor.
Stick with what you know.
this thread has been hackneyed to death (by mostly the same characters)..
most of these guys blow rent money betting on harness racing (true value)
im not sure what is so hard for some people to understand but guess reading is a skill
are any of these fractional groups perfect- hell no- but if it brings people in to the game & a source of enjoyment why is that a bad thing?
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I am not trying to start an argument but hope to deal with facts, not emotions. I have been involved in harness racing for over 45 years and have followed this thread form the start. I personally know 3 people involved with Anthony...2 in partnerships and 1 is a sole owner. from what I have been able to gather here is what I know or at least believe:
1. Based on his monthly rate ($25.75 per 1%) plus vet, shoeing, stakes, shipping, driver/trainer% HST, etc. it would seem that it would seem like 35K would be a fir figure to get a 2 year old thru Anthony's season (November-September)
2. In 2018 he had between 50-55 2 year olds but in 2019 he has only 12 3 year olds....pretty poor percentage of success
3. It would seem that rather than buy 50 $20,000 yearlings investors might be better off with 20 $50,000 yearlings but that poses a problem for Anthony. One it is harder to sell 1% at $500.00 than $200.00 but more importantly Anthony makes WAY more money with 50 yearlings than 20.
4. Why do people pay Anthony's training fee when in fact he rarely, if ever, sits behind your horse. If he was an A or even a B trainer, maybe, but he should quit trying to be Ron Burke. On that note, Burke in some shape or form has skin in most of his yearlings, Anthony has none.
5. To cut expenses further he should use local top drivers rather than him drive/fly to drive the horse. In my opinion his driving style is leave with the best but finish with the rest.
6. At the current Lexington sale sale he bought a yearling for 22K and then proceeded to say that he thought the horse was worth 70K-80K thereby making his case for buyin value (his favorite word) Sorry but with all the top trainers and owners at this sale only 1 of 2 explanations are valid: A. Everybody felt sorry for Anthony and let him buy the underpriced yearling or B. The horse was not worth more than 20K except in Anthony's eyes...NO one lets a 70-80K yearling sell for 22K but he like to impress that he finds bargains.
7. Also I find it strange, but it happens at every sale he goes to that he posts 50-60 videos but buys none of these. I know some people believe that he is trying to throw off other buyers but based on his track record who cares what he thinks
8. At every sale Anthony is looking to buy yearlings, good or bad because the bottom line is that the more he has the more $$$$$ he makes as Anthony is the ONLY person guaranteed to make $$$ and much of it
9. In closing his concept has some value but not the way he is doing it otherwise why would more of the top trainers be doing the same thing..reason is that he can attract $200 investors but not a $20K investor. Eventually, like most plans like this will come to an end but the sad part is that many people will have a bad taste in their mouth about harness racing.
2) is it possible a bunch were sold? to me that is a smart move..
3)I see a lot of 50k failures from Lexington sale over the last few years..The odds you get a superior horse from 25 to 50 I think is marginal.
although do agree more horses = more training bills
4)wrong- during the winter months he is stabled at Tomiko & goes with pretty much all of the horses...
5)wrong -other then 2 yr old trotters most of the other horses are driven by catch drivers
6) ask 10 people at a sale what a horse will sell for & probably get 10 responses (other then the slam dunk high 6 figure horses),,,so he thinks a horse is worth X
Just his opinion
7) floats a lof of mis info out there relating to videos - too many breeders were watching videos,,,Thurs night bought 5 all of which had videos
8) this is the one that always makes me chuckle- like the guy should not want to make a profit..do you work for free in your line of work?
9) whales come & go..small investors come & go..everyone has a fair shot to lose money (or make money)
& last I am not here speaking on behalf of Anthony or the stable..my advice to anyone is buy a few shares whether it VIP, stable, blake McIntosh or many other options.
Make your own decisions & don't trust second hand banter from peanut gallery
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owning less than 25 percent of horse good or bad
just aint worth the time or energy
,,jmho
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how bout people can do as they please...
Most people will not make money any way you slice it..
You can operate your mind stable as you see fit..
few MIND OWNERS ON HERE,,
ITS GOOD TO HAVE FUN,,
STOP TAKING
THEM AND THEIR IDEAS TO HEART
MOST MEAN WELL
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few MIND OWNERS ON HERE,,
ITS GOOD TO HAVE FUN,,
STOP TAKING
THEM AND THEIR IDEAS TO HEART
MOST MEAN WELL
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never heard of disposable income 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
I mean you cant take it with you..
Some I have 50%- some 25% & a few with Anthony- like to make sure I spread around the Hebrew money to everyone ngc3 ngc3
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Plz leave AMAC alone
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Plz leave AMAC alone
I LIKE HIM HE TAKES KOOL VIDEOS OF HORSES HE NEVER BUYS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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He has to eat also,,,he has some pigeons who believe him
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He has to eat also,,,he has some pigeons who believe him
key word
PIGEONS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Sucker born every day
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key word
PIGEONS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
he has some signed colors for you at indy
says he has a set from when he was a few years old ;D
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he has some signed colors for you at indy
says he has a set from when he was a few years old ;D
;D ;D 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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putting globtrotting in the breeders crown
more money down the drain from his owners just to tell people he has a horse in the breedres crown
ill pay 100 to 1 on anyone who wants to bet globetrotting
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putting globtrotting in the breeders crown
more money down the drain from his owners just to tell people he has a horse in the breedres crown
ill pay 100 to 1 on anyone who wants to bet globetrotting
Jamie Macomber said she was putting rocky got framed in as well win or lose
How much she gonna charge for that trip to finish DFL
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Jamie Macomber said she was putting rocky got framed in as well win or lose
How much she gonna charge for that trip to finish DFL
at least it'll be a good laugh to see shortpants embarrassed.
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How many yearlings did the stable buy this weekend in London?
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How many yearlings did the stable buy this weekend in London?
2 lol.
Here is a real sale with locally sired horses whihch it deemed things went gor reasonable prices...
Are they tapped?
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Not sure why, but many of the usual big buyers at London, didn't buy as many as usual. But they all sold and they weren't being given away.
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Not sure why, but many of the usual big buyers at London, didn't buy as many as usual. But they all sold and they weren't being given away.
compared to lexington they WERE being given away
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The first day or 124 did very well. The second day fell off a cliff. The averages end up being a big decline on day two and overall ended up lower then 17 and 18 sale.
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They have a lot of outstanding shares left and a bunch still from Ohio Jug sale.
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Anthony adverstising
buy 1 share of london sale horses
for 418,bucks
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hes callin it entertainment ,,value or money
that's kool tmbz1
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Anthony adverstising
buy 1 share of london sale horses
for 418,bucks
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hes callin it entertainment ,,value or money
that's kool tmbz1
Immediate jack up of prices once the horse is bought (25-33%) screws owners unless they are at the sale.
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thats a lot of crabmeat ;D ;D ;D
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Immediate jack up of prices once the horse is bought (25-33%) screws owners unless they are at the sale.
you’re referring to the exchange rate, when the horses are bought in the states for let’s say $20,000 as an example, that’s USD
on the website (Canadian Dollars) That horse will show up for $26,000+
it’s not that complicated. try keeping up.
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putting globtrotting in the breeders crown
more money down the drain from his owners just to tell people he has a horse in the breedres crown
ill pay 100 to 1 on anyone who wants to bet globetrotting
so did every owner that weekend who didn’t make the final get robbed?
bad post, bad trip came the fastest last quarter in the race and missed out.
where’s your thread about the horses who supplemented who didn’t make the final? wouldnt it be safe to say those owners lost quite bit more money?
do you ever tire of being a complete moron?
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many have left the stable,,
few pals of mine
they moved on,,,,
some cant let go,,
,,it makes for interesting readin on plops
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so did every owner that weekend who didn’t make the final get robbed?
bad post, bad trip came the fastest last quarter in the race and missed out.
where’s your thread about the horses who supplemented who didn’t make the final? wouldnt it be safe to say those owners lost quite bit more money?
do you ever tire of being a complete moron?
A bad trip with an anchor in the bike? what a shock! Why not list a catch driver. Almost every local driver was available in that race.
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thats a lot of crabmeat ;D ;D ;D
Klassic
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A bad trip with an anchor in the bike? what a shock! Why not list a catch driver. Almost every local driver was available in that race.
he took her off the gate with a bad post in a tough division and she was locked in the entire mile. it wouldn’t have mattered who drove her. I said bad Trip not bad drive. regardless; she wasn’t outclassed in that race she’s a nice filly. that’s why I find the comment that it was ‘money down the drain’ mornonic. $20,000 yearling made $150,000 in her 2 year old year and this brain dead idiot is saying the owners got fleeced by having her in there.
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Ohio bred trotters arent competitive with grand circuit trotters.
150k OHSS money shouldnt be relevant when gauging the competition. This one needed breakers in front of her to make the final.
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Ohio bred trotters arent competitive with grand circuit trotters.
150k OHSS money shouldnt be relevant when gauging the competition. This one needed breakers in front of her to make the final.
everything you just said is wrong
Wolfgang, Mission Accepted and Only Take Cash are Ohio Bred
$150k is $150k period.
if she had an inside post she would have advanced to the final. if she had been in the other division she would have advanced to the final but that’s just a tough break, not a lack of talent.
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everything you just said is wrong
Wolfgang, Mission Accepted and Only Take Cash are Ohio Bred
$150k is $150k period.
if she had an inside post she would have advanced to the final. if she had been in the other division she would have advanced to the final but that’s just a tough break, not a lack of talent.
90 times out of 100 she doesnt make the final
therefore...bad investment
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90 times out of 100 she doesnt make the final
therefore...bad investment
that’s your opinion. which you’ve proven has little value.
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Boy if Dave Feldman could chime in with the woulda, coulda, shoulda. Speaking of a non GC horse May Baby trotted a hell of a 3/4 on the lead and hung on for 4th. She is a Guccio.
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THE STABLE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE
IF U HAVE A FEW DOLLARS TO THROW TOWARDS ENTERTAINMNE TMONEY THAN ANTHONY IS THE GUY FOR YOU..
I LIKE HIM..
,,HES A GREAT tmbz1 tmbz1.....
REMEMBER ITS NOT A LIE ,,IF YOU BELIEVE IT tmbz1 ;D ;D ;D
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buy 1 share of london sale horses
for 418,bucks
Is that $418 US or Caanadien?
ty
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Everything is listed in Canadian on the site and on the bills. If u live in the US you convert it when sending from US funds.
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that’s your opinion. which you’ve proven has little value.
under what theory does my opinion have no value
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First, I will admit up front that I am not a fan of Anthony as I believe he is both a salesman and con artist. In one of his last videos he says that you should not be invest to make money but for the entertainment. What kind of a statement is that? Also, and these numbers should be close...he had 60 2 year olds. The total bills from purchase date to now are around $35,000-$40,000 canadian. Someone name 5 horses that paid their way.
As for driving, the last time I checked Woodbine he had 78 drives with.....drum roll please....2 wins. Only 2 explanations, either he stinks as a driver or he can't classify a horse.
The Only one guaranteed to make $$$$ in Stable.ca is Anthony and I'll bet that is over 200K per year. Shortly the house of cards will crumble, but sadly there will be a bitter taste in many people's mouth about harness racing.
Final comment..of the 100 plus horses he has under his control how many are owned 50% or more by 1 person or better yet how many are 100% owned by 1 person. Anthony's method is that 1% owners will not complain about losing a little.
I would appreciate comments from people who speak facts rather than name call
truth truth and more truth
I was in the stable I can tell you exactly what my experience was that he miss guides the bills and charges for everything under the Sun including training bill for a dead horse
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if you trained down 60 horses you're supposed to have more than one that makes a hundred thousand
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You also can charge a more reasonable rate considering you have a hundred and fifty head training and don't have to nickel and dimed every single owner to the maximum on every single horse to ensure that your profit is 100% while everyone else is paying out the wazoo
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You really have no clue SwanDre you want to attack me you're barking up the wrong tree.
the more you attack me the more I'm just going to attack you and the stable and this is a battle you're not going to win because I have the facts on my side.
just wait till this year's crop of two-year-olds Turn 3 after he sent all of them down the road and race them all way too many times
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he took her off the gate with a bad post in a tough division and she was locked in the entire mile. it wouldn’t have mattered who drove her. I said bad Trip not bad drive. regardless; she wasn’t outclassed in that race she’s a nice filly. that’s why I find the comment that it was ‘money down the drain’ mornonic. $20,000 yearling made $150,000 in her 2 year old year and this brain dead idiot is saying the owners got fleeced by having her in there.
Did we watch the same race? He forced her to be locked in BY GOING INSIDE at the half. You can't be locked in because of trip when you're DFL for the first half mile. Any driver with a brain knows that going inside when outer flow develops is a deathtrap at Mohawk. It was a 0/10 drive. Almost any catch driver makes the final there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUvPVI43pRk
If anyone would like to watch the replay and post their thoughts I'd love to hear them. The drive cost them the finals.
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I have been told that swandre is claiming that he owned 85% of Swandre the Giant and that he bought Wiggle Delight after passing on other yearlings. I would like a comment from Swandre as to what I have been told is true.
That poster swandra couldn’t afford a bologna sandwich nice post welcome to plops
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I know the original majority owner of swandre
It's not this guy. But he is a plopper and has horses with the stable currently.
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There are a few horses for sale on this site, you might be interested in:
www.mindyourownfu ckingbusiness.com
true heard the same
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You really have no clue SwanDre you want to attack me you're barking up the wrong tree.
the more you attack me the more I'm just going to attack you and the stable and this is a battle you're not going to win because I have the facts on my side.
just wait till this year's crop of two-year-olds Turn 3 after he sent all of them down the road and race them all way too many times
you constantly run your mouth and you’re going to tell someone not to bark up the wrong tree? that is fucking hilarious.
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Swandre. I would still appreciate an naswer to my question:
I have been told that swandre is claiming that he owned 85% of Swandre the Giant and that he bought Wiggle Delight after passing on other yearlings. I would like a comment from Swandre as to what I have been told is true.
absolutely not. never owned, never claimed to.
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absolutely not. never owned, never claimed to.
wow, really was a terrible drive! plenty of horse left and hes beatin her to try to catch 5th!! 11.wp 11.wp ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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you constantly run your mouth and you’re going to tell someone not to bark up the wrong tree? that is fucking hilarious.
i talk because im in the know
you have no idea anything about what i do but want to critisize
i was IN the stable...I SAW first hand how he takes advantage of people...
what he does works for people who are new or just want to brag about owning horses...
if you have been in the game 25 years and are in this to turn a profit like myself, the stable is a hose job..
and again swandre...you are barking up the wrong tree because you are critizing me for what exactly???
i was IN THE STABLE...i know whats wrong with it...
i also am heavilty involved in the racing game, so YOU ARE barking up the wrong tree