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Title: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Uncle Harry on June 22, 2019, 08:31:17 AM
From: "Gural, Jeffrey" <jgural@gfpre.com>
Date: June 20, 2019 at 2:25:21 PM EDT
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Subject: Lasix



I am shocked that the SBOA would oppose the request we made to ban Lasix in two year old races in 2020 and 2021 and in the Meadowlands Pace in 2021.  As you know, only seven two year olds raced with Lasix last year and the Hambletonian has been raced withoutLasix since the beginning.  With racing under siege because of the deaths at Santa Anita and the fact that almost all of the major thoroughbreds have adopted much stiffer requirements other than Monmouth we would think that the horsemen would view this asa gesture on our part to the public to show that the health of the horses is a vital concern.  By opposing this essentially we are doing just the opposite which is a very risky strategy.  I am quite certain that by next year the Federal Government will havetaken over because the current system is not working as your members are well aware.  Hopefully the opposition is not because your members are using Lasix to mask other drugs but it seems very strange that the SBOA would oppose this.  It is not my intent toadvocate the banning of Lasix for overnight racing I just want to make a statement that we do feel strongly about the fact that our horses should be protected.  If I am unable to persuade the SBOA to drop their opposition it would be my intention to cancelthe Kindergarten Classic next year along with the Meadowlands Pace in 2021.  I think we should be working together and not fighting with each other and I really am disappointed that the SBOA does not understand how critical this issue is from a public relationsstandpoi nt.  There are far more animal lovers in America than there are horse racing enthusiasts especially now that they see the catastrophic death rate in the thoroughbred game.     

Jeffrey Gural

Chairman

GFP Real Estate, LLC


SINCE I AM AN IMPORTANT OWNER AND PLAYER IN THE BUSINESS OF HARNESS RACING , THE JEW THOUGHT HE WOULD TRY TO INTIMIDATE ME INTO SEEING THINGS HIS WAY.

SORRY JEFF, BUT YOU ARE FUCKING BLIND AS HELL

GO AHEAD,CANCEL EVERY FUCKING RACE YOU HAVE, I DONT GIVE A SHIT.  I ,AS I ALREADY DO, WILL TAKE MY HORSES ELSEWHERE TO RACE,  BECAUSE OF YOU.

 NO ONE DIED AND MADE YOU GOD.  YOU AND SUCK ASS SETTLEMOIRE CAN FO FUCK YOURSELVES FOR ALL I GIVE A SHIT.

CLOSE YOUR TRACK, ONLY DEADBEAT GAMBLERS GIVE A FUCK, AND WE ALL KNOW THEY DONT KNOW SHIT.  NEITHER DO YOU, BUT YOU THINK MONEY BUYS YOU BRAINS.  YOU FLUSHED YOUR BRAINS IN THE TOILET THIS MORNING

  SEE A NUT JOB DOCTOR, A SHRINK, A PSYCHOLOGIST, BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING LUNATIC

HAVE A NICE DAY, GO FUCK YOURSELF
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: hoosierboy on June 22, 2019, 08:35:53 AM
What a fucking bully.  You don’t like what I want to do so I’ll cancel races why a threat Tati
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Superfecta on June 22, 2019, 09:55:25 AM
Typical asshole that thinks he is something special and has to write in capital letters to make a point.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Equus Caballus on June 22, 2019, 10:08:55 AM
He’s bluffing

Would never cancel the pace
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Zoooooming By! on June 22, 2019, 11:45:14 AM
From: "Gural, Jeffrey" <jgural@gfpre.com>
Date: June 20, 2019 at 2:25:21 PM EDT
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Subject: Lasix



I am shocked that the SBOA would oppose the request we made to ban Lasix in two year old races in 2020 and 2021 and in the Meadowlands Pace in 2021.  As you know, only seven two year olds raced with Lasix last year and the Hambletonian has been raced withoutLasix since the beginning.  With racing under siege because of the deaths at Santa Anita and the fact that almost all of the major thoroughbreds have adopted much stiffer requirements other than Monmouth we would think that the horsemen would view this asa gesture on our part to the public to show that the health of the horses is a vital concern.  By opposing this essentially we are doing just the opposite which is a very risky strategy.  I am quite certain that by next year the Federal Government will havetaken over because the current system is not working as your members are well aware.  Hopefully the opposition is not because your members are using Lasix to mask other drugs but it seems very strange that the SBOA would oppose this.  It is not my intent toadvocate the banning of Lasix for overnight racing I just want to make a statement that we do feel strongly about the fact that our horses should be protected.  If I am unable to persuade the SBOA to drop their opposition it would be my intention to cancelthe Kindergarten Classic next year along with the Meadowlands Pace in 2021.  I think we should be working together and not fighting with each other and I really am disappointed that the SBOA does not understand how critical this issue is from a public relationsstandpoi nt.  There are far more animal lovers in America than there are horse racing enthusiasts especially now that they see the catastrophic death rate in the thoroughbred game.     

Jeffrey Gural

Chairman

GFP Real Estate, LLC


SINCE I AM AN IMPORTANT OWNER AND PLAYER IN THE BUSINESS OF HARNESS RACING , THE JEW THOUGHT HE WOULD TRY TO INTIMIDATE ME INTO SEEING THINGS HIS WAY.

SORRY JEFF, BUT YOU ARE FUCKING BLIND AS HELL

GO AHEAD,CANCEL EVERY FUCKING RACE YOU HAVE, I DONT GIVE A SHIT.  I ,AS I ALREADY DO, WILL TAKE MY HORSES ELSEWHERE TO RACE,  BECAUSE OF YOU.

 NO ONE DIED AND MADE YOU GOD.  YOU AND SUCK ASS SETTLEMOIRE CAN FO FUCK YOURSELVES FOR ALL I GIVE A SHIT.

CLOSE YOUR TRACK, ONLY DEADBEAT GAMBLERS GIVE A FUCK, AND WE ALL KNOW THEY DONT KNOW SHIT.  NEITHER DO YOU, BUT YOU THINK MONEY BUYS YOU BRAINS.  YOU FLUSHED YOUR BRAINS IN THE TOILET THIS MORNING

  SEE A NUT JOB DOCTOR, A SHRINK, A PSYCHOLOGIST, BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING LUNATIC

HAVE A NICE DAY, GO FUCK YOURSELF

100% RIGHT.

You should remove everyone's email addresses. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: shuffledagain on June 22, 2019, 11:49:18 AM
The “Savior” has spoken.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: spaheaven on June 22, 2019, 12:19:53 PM
The jew's 100% right.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slimshady on June 22, 2019, 01:03:12 PM
Uncle Harry   ...   "GO AHEAD,CANCEL EVERY FUCKING RACE YOU HAVE, I DONT GIVE A SHIT.  I ,AS I ALREADY DO, WILL TAKE MY HORSES ELSEWHERE TO RACE,  BECAUSE OF YOU."

Are you open to the potential that if the tracks don't take care of the issues and the government decides to get involved, you could end up with nowhere to take your horses?
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 22, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
Uncle Harry   ...   "GO AHEAD,CANCEL EVERY FUCKING RACE YOU HAVE, I DONT GIVE A SHIT.  I ,AS I ALREADY DO, WILL TAKE MY HORSES ELSEWHERE TO RACE,  BECAUSE OF YOU."

Are you open to the potential that if the tracks don't take care of the issues and the government decides to get involved, you could end up with nowhere to take your horses?

yo, yo, Slim Shitty,

You stupid little transgender prick.  You have the most feminine cunt posts on this worthless forum.   That was UNCLE speaking.  He was trying to tell you that Jewffrey has run out of ideas and now can only try to bully the industry.  Just like your daddy in the White House, Agent Orange.  No brains.  No ideas.  Damaged to the core.  Only fucked up little trannies like you and the other poorly educated like Lice Man, The Extorter, Hammer Head, Stunned Forever and Fart-ner could fail to see this.  Until next time, Ru Pauls............ HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Parked on June 22, 2019, 02:20:34 PM
I love it. Jeff is stepping  on a lot of toes.  Big spenders at the sales, the breeders, and the lasix users..  go for it.. the trainers of the big stake horses and a bunch of others have $hit in their sandbox long enough.... 
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slimshady on June 22, 2019, 04:36:58 PM
Hey Buffy you douche bag   .....     Remember, I have you on ignore.   Only your name comes up, not your childish, deranged comment.       Just put me on ignore.    It seems my comments get you even more fucked up in the head than you already are.   IGNORE  ...   it works great.   
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Calhoun on June 22, 2019, 05:00:12 PM
Jeffrey cares less about owners and bettors now than ever.

- He owns, in partnership, the largest sportsbook in the U.S. (after < 1 year in biz)

- His sportsbook has a very favorable tax environment

- He will (and should) do everything he can to increase his potential for expanded casino gambling.

- In Nevada,overall  Sportsbooks  account for about 5% of total revenue.  Table games account for about 1/3.  Slots account for 60%.

- Gural has barely scratched the surface of fully monetizing The Meadowlands.  Barely.

- It really does not matter if he believes any of the things he says about cleaning up the sport.  He just needs to keep saying it.  Eventually, the politicians will tire of seeing two NY tracks less than 30 miles away take 100% of the Slot market share.

- Gural just has to not fuck it up.

jmvhmfo

Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: MR BRIONI on June 22, 2019, 07:56:16 PM
Typical asshole that thinks he is something special and has to write in capital letters to make a point.
IN HIS EMAIL HE STATES THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND NOT FIGHT,
MAYBE HE SHOULD JUST DROP ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT LASIX AND LEAVE IT TO
COMMISSION AND VETERINARIANS WHO KNOW WAY MORE THAN HIM AND LEAVE THIS
ONE ALONE, MAYBE HE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER WITH SBOA AND NOT FIGHT THEM.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: hoosierboy on June 22, 2019, 08:37:27 PM
IN HIS EMAIL HE STATES THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND NOT FIGHT,
MAYBE HE SHOULD JUST DROP ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT LASIX AND LEAVE IT TO
COMMISSION AND VETERINARIANS WHO KNOW WAY MORE THAN HIM AND LEAVE THIS
ONE ALONE, MAYBE HE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER WITH SBOA AND NOT FIGHT THEM.

He will never let go because he thinks he is right all the time
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 22, 2019, 08:39:33 PM

Jeffrey cares less about owners and bettors now than ever.


- It really does not matter if he believes any of the things he says about cleaning up the sport.  He just needs to keep saying it.  Eventually, the politicians will tire of seeing two NY tracks less than 30 miles away take 100% of the Slot market share.


The Savior has a nagging itch that will only get worse and turn into a flesh-eating rash, and its called harness racing.  As the Fan Stool Janitor Closet continues to grow and the lure of slots gets Jewffrey's shekel meter going wild, he will want to shake this pestering fungus called harness racing.  We shall see.

BUT.............D on't forget that he is under audit.  The welfare care package has to show that it has improved handle, breeding, horse population, etc.  If handle keeps dragging downward as Off Ramp has pointed out, the politicos may take the money back.  I hope Jewffrey has a 25 year bout of heartburn, the prick and his Hitler Youth gets it too.  Until next time, legislators...... ..........HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slivercharm on June 22, 2019, 08:46:36 PM
100% RIGHT.

You should remove everyone's email addresses. Just my opinion.

Lol why

Most are AOL emails no way those are still active nobody has used aol since 2001
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on June 22, 2019, 08:50:53 PM
Lol why

Most are AOL emails no way those are still active nobody has used aol since 2001

AOL is still used as an email domain by a lot more people than you'd think.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on June 22, 2019, 08:55:06 PM
I love it. Jeff is stepping  on a lot of toes.  Big spenders at the sales, the breeders, and the lasix users..  go for it.. the trainers of the big stake horses and a bunch of others have $hit in their sandbox long enough....

Gural himself is a "lasix user". Until he explains to us why 3yos and up are ok to use lasix but 2yo are not, its all a load a bullshit.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 23, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Gural is 100 percent correct. Santa Anita just banned Hollendorfer ...only a matter of time before public catches on that most harness is welfare fueled. His comment that there are far more animal lovers than horse racing enthusiasts is dead on.

yo, yo, Winston,

Were you born stupid or is it just your day job?  You obviously work for Jewffrey the hook nosed heeeeeeeeeeeeb.  The problem is that he doesn't send us his finest....they're rapists...oops, I digress.

Your post is typical new shooter stupid.  What does "welfare fueled" have to do with animal welfare?  If casino money dried up does that mean the horses would stop being fed?  Moron punk.  And of course there are more animal lovers than racing enthusiasts.  So what?  The question is whether we want attention-starved, know-nothing, vindictive, money-grubbing, Nazi bullys like your daddy, Jewffrey, running things or not.  Now, you have to do 3 things:  first, shut the fuck up, 2nd, stay off this worthless forum, and 3rd, run back and tell Jason and your daddy that you tried but the Plop bullshit meter exposed you and you were unable to get anything done.  Stupid punk fuck.  Until next time, millennials...... ...........HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 23, 2019, 02:06:51 PM
Jeffrey cares less about owners and bettors now than ever.

- He owns, in partnership, the largest sportsbook in the U.S. (after < 1 year in biz)

- His sportsbook has a very favorable tax environment

- He will (and should) do everything he can to increase his potential for expanded casino gambling.

- In Nevada,overall  Sportsbooks  account for about 5% of total revenue.  Table games account for about 1/3.  Slots account for 60%.

- Gural has barely scratched the surface of fully monetizing The Meadowlands.  Barely.

- It really does not matter if he believes any of the things he says about cleaning up the sport.  He just needs to keep saying it.  Eventually, the politicians will tire of seeing two NY tracks less than 30 miles away take 100% of the Slot market share.

- Gural just has to not fuck it up.

jmvhmfo

There is some intelligence on this forum.  Well put.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: E E Doogie on June 24, 2019, 03:42:25 AM
 Imagine how big a prick he would be if he ever got a casino? That is something we have to make sure never, ever happens.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Fatboy on June 24, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
AOL is still used as an email domain by a lot more people than you'd think.

THIS IS CORRECT
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Fatboy on June 24, 2019, 08:47:29 AM
Yes I have seen intelligence for sure. Unfortunately need to navigate thru all the all caps posts to see it

SOME ALL CAPS FOLKS CANT SEE WELL AND SHOUDNT BE JUDGED HARSHLY tmbz1
AFTER ALL YOU REALLY DONT KNOW THEM.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Joe 4 all on June 24, 2019, 09:38:50 AM
 Remember horsemen only exist to serve Jeff, you are his slave.  If it were not for him, you would not exist.  He is a superior human being to you.

Know your role

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Have a blessed day, may all your photo's be winning ones!

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Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Superfecta on June 24, 2019, 10:26:48 AM
Imagine how big a prick he would be if he ever got a casino? That is something we have to make sure never, ever happens.

Too late. He already has one.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Calhoun on June 24, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
THIS IS CORRECT
and comes free with Jello.  Your point?
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slimshady on June 24, 2019, 04:05:05 PM
"its ONLY the gambler that matters - PERIOD!"

Luckily, you can place wagers on  healthy, clean horses just as easily and effectively as drugged up, out of their mind horses.      We can both have what we want !!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Poker King on June 25, 2019, 08:08:42 AM
The Savior has a nagging itch that will only get worse and turn into a flesh-eating rash, and its called harness racing.  As the Fan Stool Janitor Closet continues to grow and the lure of slots gets Jewffrey's shekel meter going wild, he will want to shake this pestering fungus called harness racing.  We shall see.

BUT.............D on't forget that he is under audit.  The welfare care package has to show that it has improved handle, breeding, horse population, etc.  If handle keeps dragging downward as Off Ramp has pointed out, the politicos may take the money back.  I hope Jewffrey has a 25 year bout of heartburn, the prick and his Hitler Youth gets it too.  Until next time, legislators...... ..........HEIL HITLER!!


I can’t wait to see what he tells the legislators about his short fields and the shit stock thats still racing there. The Little M is a short track with shit overnight horses. Good thing stake season is starting. The idiot Gural doesn’t realize that when horses are just exercising that they’re not breaking down because they were treated with lasix for just exercising. Stronach barred the guy who has 100 horses and only 4 breakdowns. He’s as bad as Gural. Tbred’s are fragile and Santa Anita needs a scapegoat and lasix is it.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: jupiter on June 25, 2019, 01:09:42 PM
Sounds like the little bully is channeling is inner Trump. Threats = agree with me and do it my way or I'll take your stakes away, Like a little kid in the sand box going to take his toys with him.  Most of the people who race there don't race in those stakes anyway and they'll go along with him just to be able to race.
 
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: viking55 on June 25, 2019, 01:32:42 PM
"its ONLY the gambler that matters - PERIOD!"

Luckily, you can place wagers on  healthy, clean horses just as easily and effectively as drugged up, out of their mind horses.      We can both have what we want !!

WHERE IN THE FUCK is THAT racetrack at? Your dreams? Because it's NOT on THIS continent.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slimshady on June 25, 2019, 03:39:35 PM
Viking   "WHERE IN THE FUCK is THAT racetrack at?"

Agreed.   All the tracks allow dirty, degenerate trainers.
My comment was aimed at the gamblers who say no one cares about horses.  It's all about gambling.     I was simply saying, track owners could crack down on the fucking cheats and there would still be horses to gamble on.     If you really want it, you can have good cards with clean, healthy horses.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: viking55 on June 25, 2019, 09:31:55 PM
Viking   "WHERE IN THE FUCK is THAT racetrack at?"

Agreed.   All the tracks allow dirty, degenerate trainers.
My comment was aimed at the gamblers who say no one cares about horses.  It's all about gambling.     I was simply saying, track owners could crack down on the fucking cheats and there would still be horses to gamble on.     If you really want it, you can have good cards with clean, healthy horses.

I truly doubt you could fill a weeks card at ONE track with "clean healthy horses". That's a thing of the past. I'd say 95% of trainers use something. People can't afford not to use something. 4th and 5th place finishes seldom pay the bills. It's a vicious cycle. Eckley is back in Chicago. Nothing else needs to be said about the condition of harness racing. HOW many suspensions are enough to get the boot ?
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 26, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
Everyone who can read should take a look at Dr.Thomas Tobin's article on Lasix use that was on USTrotting yesterday.
The article was well written and for anyone who cares............ .. very informative . 11.wp 11.wp

As for that mental midget, Campbell Soup, here's what Tobin says about lasix and breakdowns (remember that asshole Campbell Soup said that lasix was the cause of the breakdowns at santa anita):

Proponents of the “Horseracing Integrity Act” have conflated the use of Lasix with musculoskeletal injuries. These claims are without merit. There is no association in any scientific paper between Lasix and racing breakdowns.

Until next time, researchers...... ........HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 26, 2019, 04:12:33 PM
What is your background in equine physiology ??????????????????

Here is Campbell Soup's background in horse racing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BygYnu8IYAA4-FU.jpg)
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: slimshady on June 26, 2019, 05:53:20 PM
"I truly doubt you could fill a weeks card at ONE track with "clean healthy horses". "

Viking  ....   That may be true, but suspend a couple of big boys for "10 years" and you will have all the clean horses you need.  The clean horse and trainer coming 5th, will be home 3rd or better within a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Poker King on June 27, 2019, 08:25:09 AM
As for that mental midget, Campbell Soup, here's what Tobin says about lasix and breakdowns (remember that asshole Campbell Soup said that lasix was the cause of the breakdowns at santa anita):

Proponents of the “Horseracing Integrity Act” have conflated the use of Lasix with musculoskeletal injuries. These claims are without merit. There is no association in any scientific paper between Lasix and racing breakdowns.

Until next time, researchers...... ........HEIL HITLER!!


Here’s the link to the article. You all should read it including you Jeffy if you read what the plopsters have to say:

https://www.troyrecord.com/opinion/reader-s-view-race-day-lasix-ban-is-a-deadly/article_17a06144-9491-11e9-b579-ffbff4ee4dfb.html
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Poker King on June 27, 2019, 08:32:25 AM
Nobel Award winning doctors once stated that cigarettes were safe and actually healthy for you. How did that turn out? Tobin is a shill for racing.


It’s what comes next if Lasix is banned.......Form aldehyde or who knows what else the desperados will put into these poor horses. The elite drug boys who are always one step ahead of everyone at all times will have an even bigger edge. Seriously what a disaster it would be.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 08:38:01 AM

I can’t wait to see what he tells the legislators about his short fields and the shit stock thats still racing there. The Little M is a short track with shit overnight horses. Good thing stake season is starting. The idiot Gural doesn’t realize that when horses are just exercising that they’re not breaking down because they were treated with lasix for just exercising. Stronach barred the guy who has 100 horses and only 4 breakdowns. He’s as bad as Gural. Tbred’s are fragile and Santa Anita needs a scapegoat and lasix is it.

DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!!!
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 08:40:49 AM
Viking   "WHERE IN THE FUCK is THAT racetrack at?"

Agreed.   All the tracks allow dirty, degenerate trainers.
My comment was aimed at the gamblers who say no one cares about horses.  It's all about gambling.     I was simply saying, track owners could crack down on the fucking cheats and there would still be horses to gamble on.     If you really want it, you can have good cards with clean, healthy horses.

The sad truth is that nearly all are "dirty" because this is what the sport has come to: cheat or find another career.  The horsemen and the vets -- who, by the way, are the ABSOLUTE WORST, like lawyers -- push the envelope everyday and for most, it still isn't enough.  I don't think they're all bad people, just people trying to survive doing the only thing they know how.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
Nobel Award winning doctors once stated that cigarettes were safe and actually healthy for you. How did that turn out? Tobin is a shill for racing.

How about just once admitting you're wrong instead of the ever-popular shell game you always play.  Lasix has NOTHING, ZERO to do with horses breaking down.  The fragility of the animal, cortisone, painkillers, nerve agents, aggressive training regimens and a lot of other things do, BUT LASIX DOES NOT!

Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 08:55:45 AM
"I truly doubt you could fill a weeks card at ONE track with "clean healthy horses". "

Viking  ....   That may be true, but suspend a couple of big boys for "10 years" and you will have all the clean horses you need.  The clean horse and trainer coming 5th, will be home 3rd or better within a couple of weeks.

100% true.  Proper penalties work wonders.  I got caught stealing when I was a kid and my parents let me go for the ride in the Police car and the whole nine yards and I never so much as took a peanut from bulk bin at the grocery store ever again.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Parked on June 27, 2019, 08:56:31 AM
If lasix is so beneficial to race horses why not make it a mandatory pre race medication ???????
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 11:53:52 AM
There is plenty of evidence that it is harmful for horses. Racing is thriving all over the world without it but I can't force you to research it so I guess we will disagree.

Holy shell game, Batman!  I don't disagree that it's harmful for horses, but that harm is systemic harm, it has zero influence on soundness issues, which is the point you made in the piece I quoted but I can't force you to pay any kind of attention to your own statements! Jesus you're tough.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 12:00:05 PM
Here Mike The Moron:

Dude said...

"Proponents of the “Horseracing Integrity Act” have conflated the use of Lasix with musculoskeletal injuries. These claims are without merit. There is no association in any scientific paper between Lasix and racing breakdowns."

...to which you said:

"Nobel Award winning doctors once stated that cigarettes were safe and actually healthy for you. How did that turn out? Tobin is a shill for racing."

Nonsensical and broad and sweeping from you as usual.  Tell us all HOW LASIX HAS AN EFFECT ON MUSCULOSKELETAL INJURIES.  Be specific.  Tie together how experts "mistakenly" (according to you) making this statement is similar to those who said cigarettes were safe and healthy for you.  Please.  Enlighten us.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: DeeJennerit on June 27, 2019, 12:50:52 PM
Do your own homework jackass. Like I stated earlier, you can believe whatever you want. I should have known better than to use the cigarette analogy on someone so simple but I sometimes forget morons like you believe everything you read and are told.

In typical Mike Campbell fashion, the old bait and switch comes into play instead of simply answering the question.  Few are surprised.  Bye now.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on June 27, 2019, 04:51:22 PM
You make it sound like I am the only one who believes Lasix affects bone density. People smarter than I and undoubtedly smarter than you believe it too.


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Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Poker King on June 28, 2019, 07:53:04 AM
You make it sound like I am the only one who believes Lasix affects bone density. People smarter than I and undoubtedly smarter than you believe it too.

Well how about this.... heparin prevents blood clots, omeprazole helps GERD, methotrexate for cancer along with chemotherapy drugs and furosemide for heart and kidney failure. There’s many more but with that being said the above mentioned drugs are used by humans on a daily basis and one of the side affects is a bone density issue but without those drugs they’ll probably die anyway.  On the other side horses use lasix aka furosemide once a week. What’s worse the horse hemorrhaging????? causing infection, fungus or worse yet scar tissue in his lungs. The majority of studies show the only adverse side affect is dehydration and electrolyte loss. I’ll take that any day over hemorrhage.
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on June 28, 2019, 09:50:22 AM
Good points but everywhere else in the world, lasix is not used for racing and their horses are doing fine. Perhaps they are treating horses with something else but facts are facts and the fact is if they can race without it, why can't North America?

Have you considered the thought that there are bleeders over there that are not racing because anti bleeding medicatuons such as lasix are not permitted?
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: Pull the Pocket on June 28, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Good points but everywhere else in the world, lasix is not used for racing and their horses are doing fine. Perhaps they are treating horses with something else but facts are facts and the fact is if they can race without it, why can't North America?
For a simple reason, horses across the pond, don't race every week. At most they race twice a month, their best race 8-10 times a year, so the wear and tear factor is not as great as it is over here
Have you considered the thought that there are bleeders over there that are not racing because anti bleeding medicatuons such as lasix are not permitted?
Title: Re: MY LETTER FROM JEFF GURAL
Post by: VicD on July 01, 2019, 09:01:21 AM
IN HIS EMAIL HE STATES THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND NOT FIGHT,
MAYBE HE SHOULD JUST DROP ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT LASIX AND LEAVE IT TO
COMMISSION AND VETERINARIANS WHO KNOW WAY MORE THAN HIM AND LEAVE THIS
ONE ALONE, MAYBE HE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER WITH SBOA AND NOT FIGHT THEM.

If the new building turned into a giant sportsbook building, it's doubtful that Jeff would care at all.
The numbers speak for themselves and given the current climate, they could take  the horses away for good and he wouldn't care.
The horse have only remained  as a foil for sports betting, nothing more.
Nothing but under 30 year old and under guys betting sports, and none of them can find their way to the racetrack or any of the horse betting machines.
When my friends and I go, the horses will follow.
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