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Title: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 06, 2019, 06:33:00 PM
Why was Bettor Joy N scratched
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 06, 2019, 06:44:48 PM
No tattoo

No tattoo how did she race at Yonkers?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 06, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
microchip

Wow canít imagine her connections being happy
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 06, 2019, 09:01:31 PM
 That cocksucker Keidel is at fault, he shouldn't have a job at any racetrack anywhere.

http://ustrottingnews.com/usta-statement-on-scratch-of-bettor-joy-n/
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Fair is fair on May 06, 2019, 09:06:54 PM
That cocksucker Keidel is at fault, he shouldn't have a job at any racetrack anywhere.

http://ustrottingnews.com/usta-statement-on-scratch-of-bettor-joy-n/
Race secretary has no say. Its the moronic judges who are puppets to the ultimate dooooosch bag BILL CRAWFORD...
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: LUCPARK on May 06, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
Without rules we have VENEZUELA.


GOOD CALL.
BETCHA NEXT TIME THEY COME TO BUCKEYE STATE THEY WON'T FORGET TO TATOO
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: kentuckywars on May 06, 2019, 09:17:25 PM
Did the USTA actually state in a written response that they have "significant expertise, responsibility and experience" in an area of harness racing. And here too many people in the industry just think the USTA is a popular joke. Who knew ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Zookeeper on May 06, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
Looks like Miami Valley will be paying the owners of Bettor Joy N win purse of $50,000. They are totally at fault, seems they will also be required to reimburse any legal fees & expenses as well. Good for them!
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Fair is fair on May 06, 2019, 09:44:47 PM
Looks like Miami Valley will be paying the owners of Bettor Joy N win purse of $50,000. They are totally at fault, seems they will also be required to reimburse any legal fees & expenses as well. Good for them!
decision was made by the commission not MVG. cant sue the commission. Immune to lawsuit. Thats why crawford is such SCUM
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Zookeeper on May 06, 2019, 10:00:25 PM
Quote
decision was made by the commission not MVG. cant sue the commission. Immune to lawsuit. Thats why crawford is such SCUM

You most certainly can sue The Commission.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Partner on May 06, 2019, 11:44:32 PM
Lucpark, you have officially posted your stupidest statement ever... Congrats! Under no circumstances should they not have done everything possible to let this mare race! Officials of this business have no regard for the time and money put into this sport and simply do what they feel is quickest way to get home... True shame!!!
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 07, 2019, 06:34:26 AM
Tim tetrick was so mad. He didnít go back to the winner circle with shartin n.  For the race named after chip noble.  Chip wasnít afraid to use da prod on one when he needed too. 🔌🔌🔌 Danny still plugs everything in.  FACT.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 07, 2019, 07:21:31 AM
Tim tetrick was so mad. He didnít go back to the winner circle with shartin n.  For the race named after chip noble.  Chip wasnít afraid to use da prod on one when he needed too. 🔌🔌🔌 Danny still plugs everything in.  FACT.

I canít even believe what I am reading.  Been around Midwest harness track my whole life and canít believe this OH should be ashamed and sued
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 07, 2019, 07:43:36 AM
This reminds me of the wrestling controversy with the guy making the player cut the dreads....
At some point even if you're following the rules to the T you can still be wrong and when you're so wrong someone else should step in and tell you that you're being wrong
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on May 07, 2019, 07:45:53 AM
Tim tetrick was so mad. He didnít go back to the winner circle with shartin n.  For the race named after chip noble.  Chip wasnít afraid to use da prod on one when he needed too. 🔌🔌🔌 Danny still plugs everything in.  FACT.

  Mad ? It showed no class by not going to get picture. Also disrespect to the Noble family by not honoring the race named after there father. Timmy T should of displayed his yeast infection else where social media or whatever.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Atthetrack7 on May 07, 2019, 07:58:12 AM
 Isn't it the trainers fault for not knowing what procedures are in place in what states?
 Sounds like a bunch of East Coast cry baby bitches if you axe me.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 07, 2019, 08:08:07 AM
Bill Crawford should be banded 😂🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: okdfool on May 07, 2019, 08:17:49 AM
So whatt then? Tootoo? Micro chip? What's the point? Whi's big idea is it to micro chip? Just making it a big inconvenience at the owners expense just trying to pocket everyone,  why bother micro chipping? Ridiculous...
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Inside The Pylons on May 07, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
Isn't it the trainers fault for not knowing what procedures are in place in what states?
 Sounds like a bunch of East Coast cry baby bitches if you axe me.

So typical of horsemen to blame someone else for their mistakes.
Most horsemen are still stuck in 1975.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: E E Doogie on May 07, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
So typical of horsemen to blame someone else for their mistakes.
Most horsemen are still stuck in 1975.

That is why they are horsemen, not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE GOT CAUGHT NOT HAVING A TATTOO, 

ZER0? 

They must have taken the time to learn what needed to be done
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Swandre on May 07, 2019, 08:48:35 AM
you canít even get freeze branded tattoos anymore, you have to get microchipped, Ohio dropped the ball ; they had chip readers given to them by the USTA and still scratched the horse. can anyone do any research here before posting?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Pull the Pocket on May 07, 2019, 08:57:39 AM
Bettor Joy is a 5 year old, why wouldn't she have a tattoo?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Swandre on May 07, 2019, 09:14:24 AM
Bettor Joy is a 5 year old, why wouldn't she have a tattoo?

imported from New Zealand in 2018
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: LUCPARK on May 07, 2019, 09:35:05 AM
Lucpark, you have officially posted your stupidest statement ever... Congrats! Under no circumstances should they not have done everything possible to let this mare race! Officials of this business have no regard for the time and money put into this sport and simply do what they feel is quickest way to get home... True shame!!!

I disagree..

ps

ive post way dumber things than this

 tmbz1
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Racing Beard on May 07, 2019, 10:17:14 AM
Only 5 horses entered, 2 from the same barn.  The race should have been cancelled due to insufficient entries
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 07, 2019, 10:33:52 AM
Only 5 horses entered, 2 from the same barn.  The race should have been cancelled due to insufficient entries

Why cancel it isnít their money
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Calhoun on May 07, 2019, 11:28:30 AM
Calhoun Stable Management Services LLC will include verification of eligibility services for all jurisdictions as part of our standard program.

We expect to launch soon. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 07, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
Calhoun Stable Management Services LLC will include verification of eligibility services for all jurisdictions as part of our standard program.

We expect to launch soon. 

Thanks.



I'm all in. Please send info. Thanks.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: caddy on May 07, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
So typical of horsemen to blame someone else for their mistakes.
Most horsemen are still stuck in 1975.

I keep saying that.  The whole sport is mired in bell-bottom pants, page-boy haircuts and platform shoes.  Big, Big $$$ and any promotion by the casino or the associations?  UH, NOPE - and, held on a Monday afternoon instead of a Saturday night. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Easy Irv on May 07, 2019, 01:58:46 PM
So typical of horsemen to blame someone else for their mistakes.
Most horsemen are still stuck in 1975.


I liked 1975!!
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: yourmamasofat on May 07, 2019, 03:49:43 PM
They let her get lasix with using mico chip
Total bullshit. What is the sense in getting micro chip if you are not going to honor them.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: half round full swedge on May 08, 2019, 11:39:27 AM

I liked 1975!!

Thats because thats when we were all born.  no wonder can't get any young blood into the sport unless they got dat booty
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 08, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Thats because thats when we were all born.  no wonder can't get any young blood into the sport unless they got dat booty



I wish I was born in 1975.I was 23.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Stable7870 on May 08, 2019, 12:51:05 PM


I wish I was born in 1975.I was 23.
In 1975 I was winning races at Sportsman's Park.
OH Those were the days!
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 08, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
In 1975 I was winning races at Sportsman's Park.
OH Those were the days!



 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 08, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
This reminds me of the wrestling controversy with the guy making the player cut the dreads....
At some point even if you're following the rules to the T you can still be wrong and when you're so wrong someone else should step in and tell you that you're being wrong

Then WHY have ANY rules? SOMEONE will be butthurt about SOME rule. And that guy making the wrestler cut his dreads WAS going by the rules. National Federation rules are VERY clear about that. Use the approved head covering OR cut the hair.  He did NOT have the approved head covering, it's the WRESTLERS fault. OR his coaches. IF you feel the rules are incorrect-work to get the rules changed. Don't bitch about wanting a rule NOT enforced.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: LUCPARK on May 08, 2019, 02:49:16 PM
in 1975




I was 13 and  11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj

to Farrah Fawcett pics in my bedroom
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: EPO on May 08, 2019, 05:33:52 PM
Theres only one reason he didn't go to winners circle.  His horse was scratched.      Hidden ownership and Karma.   
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 08, 2019, 06:42:58 PM
Theres only one reason he didn't go to winners circle.  His horse was scratched.      Hidden ownership and Karma.

So you staying Timmy only own Bettor Joy and not shartin
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Zoooooming By! on May 08, 2019, 07:50:21 PM
Bettor Joy N scratched

The U.S. Trotting Association is aware of and disappointed by the Ohio State Racing Commissionís eleventh-hour scratch of Bettor Joy N from the Sam ďChipĒ Noble III Memorial this afternoon at Miami Valley Raceway. It has been conveyed to us that this was done because Bettor Joy N, while microchipped, did not possess a freeze brand.

https://www.harnessracing.com/news/main/bettor-joy-n-scratched-usta-issues-statement-5-6-2019
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 08, 2019, 08:43:53 PM
The USTA has NO power over ANY state racing commission. They can be "disappointed" by any states decision and it means SQUAT. They are a record keeping organization. Every state has it's own rules.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: princess on May 08, 2019, 09:55:05 PM
Sometimes I read the shit you guys write and I just gotta shake my head. Some of you are spot on and others just get an A for imagination.
She has a NZ tattoo and a USTA microchip...she's raced in DE and NY no problem with the microchip.
We were never told the Ohio wasn't honoring an entry if it only had a microchip. How would we know that? Can someone show me where that's written? She's been identified with a microchip all year. Every track has a microchip reader - INCLUDING MIAMI VALLEY.
Joy's lasix was given because she was identified with a microchip reader. Yes, she already was identified via the microchip reader from the state vet. She warmed up and they told us literally when she had her bridle on to race that she was scratched and the reason was because she didn't have an American tattoo. I'm not messing with you...is that the craziest shit you've every heard?! 
We begged the judges and the judges would not budge. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a paddock back in the day when there were tattoos that were on the lips or even a freeze brand on the neck and you couldn't read it and they went off the markings on the paper.
But the bottom line is that she was already identified anyway by a state vet and the identifier could have easily gotten a hold of the microchip reader and also identified her once again for their purposes.
I found out that there have been horses who have raced at Miami Valley with a microchip only and they let them race but didn't let Joy race. There's even more to this story but I wont bore you...
and you can bash all you want for us not going to the winner circle but you have no idea....no idea...what you would do if you were in that position. The Noble Family understood and that includes Dan. Horsemen through out the paddock could not believe what was going on. Everyone was in shock. We got royally shafted. If any of you know me then you know I'm pretty positive and dont let a whole lot tick me off but this has really been a frustrating situation for all of Joy's connections.
So there's your story....
PS I don't go on here a bunch so if you ask me something and I dont reply, it's not personal...I'm just busy
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: princess on May 08, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
One more thing...there's nothing wrong with microchipping...i ts a step in the right direction..and there's no blame on the USTA...it's not them...it was the Ohio Racing Commission who made this decision. I just hate when people constantly blame the USTA for stuff that isn't even their fault. People get confused on who is responsible for what in this game and everything gets blamed on the USTA for shit they aren't even responsible for so anyway this was an Ohio Racing Commission decision and it was a crappy one.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: DEEPSTRETCH on May 08, 2019, 10:35:37 PM
Its nice to hear the story from the hotties mouth ....  I meant the horses mouth  ;D
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 08, 2019, 10:36:36 PM
You need to sue the Ohio Racing Commission, in a judicial court of law you can have the USTA testify that they are the identifier for all racing states. The fact that Bettor Joy had been identified by the USTA, makes you a winner in a judicial court of law. Sue for purse, court cost , anguish , make it worth your while . People who have lawsuits that are a lock need to sue these state commissions, they think they are gods , make them pay , knock them down a peg. Maybe it wont happen to the next guy !   

You need to check STATE racing commission rules. The USTA CANNOT testify that THEY are the identifier for ALL STATES. There are some rules of the USTA that some states have adopted, but the USTA HAS NO power over ANY state commission.
I personally have no idea of what the rules are in Ohio, NOR do I care. The fact that people STILL BELIEVE that the USTA has ANY power over state racing commissions amazes me.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 08, 2019, 10:44:22 PM
Sometimes I read the shit you guys write and I just gotta shake my head. Some of you are spot on and others just get an A for imagination.
She has a NZ tattoo and a USTA microchip...she's raced in DE and NY no problem with the microchip.
We were never told the Ohio wasn't honoring an entry if it only had a microchip. How would we know that? Can someone show me where that's written? She's been identified with a microchip all year. Every track has a microchip reader - INCLUDING MIAMI VALLEY.
Joy's lasix was given because she was identified with a microchip reader. Yes, she already was identified via the microchip reader from the state vet. She warmed up and they told us literally when she had her bridle on to race that she was scratched and the reason was because she didn't have an American tattoo. I'm not messing with you...is that the craziest shit you've every heard?! 
We begged the judges and the judges would not budge. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a paddock back in the day when there were tattoos that were on the lips or even a freeze brand on the neck and you couldn't read it and they went off the markings on the paper.
But the bottom line is that she was already identified anyway by a state vet and the identifier could have easily gotten a hold of the microchip reader and also identified her once again for their purposes.
I found out that there have been horses who have raced at Miami Valley with a microchip only and they let them race but didn't let Joy race. There's even more to this story but I wont bore you...
and you can bash all you want for us not going to the winner circle but you have no idea....no idea...what you would do if you were in that position. The Noble Family understood and that includes Dan. Horsemen through out the paddock could not believe what was going on. Everyone was in shock. We got royally shafted. If any of you know me then you know I'm pretty positive and dont let a whole lot tick me off but this has really been a frustrating situation for all of Joy's connections.
So there's your story....
PS I don't go on here a bunch so if you ask me something and I dont reply, it's not personal...I'm just busy


Princess-It doesn't matter what other states that horse has raced in. Your complaint is with the Ohio stewards. IF you can prove POSITIVELY that other horses were allowed to race there with only a chip and no other id, you definitely have a valid complaint. I don't know the Ohio state horse racing rules. But this comes down to what the state rules are and did the stewards obey them. Anything the USTA says is irrelevant. They are not the governing body. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: HarnessFreak on May 09, 2019, 12:30:21 AM
3769-15-10. Registration with associations

(C) No horse shall be allowed to enter a race or a qualifying race unless it has been lip tattooed or freeze branded with the proper identification number. Effective: 1-1-85; 8-10-95; 5-7-01; 2-1-11

Princess, first off read the OHIO RULE above that your trainer should have read before entering the horse. New York has their own rule book. Glad you could race under that jurisdiction.  Ohio rule is black and white.  Maybe next time you bring a horse without a freeze brand into a new state read the Rules for that state. Easy to point blame at other people for your trainers negligence.

Yes, itís true the USTA is the driving force behind micro chipping.  However they do not dictate when jurisdictions choose to honor the new change.  It appears the USTA and the OSRC have never discussed this issue at length and they weíre not on same page.  Hard to believe since both buildings are located in Ohio.

The annual Board of Directors meeting that discuss rule changes for days, mean absolutely 0%.   All jurisdictions have their own rule books and make changes as they see fit.

The state vet does not give Lasix at Ohio tracks. Itís an independent practice that the management of MIami Valley allows on property.  in your case, sounds like this vet used micro chipping to identify your horse and give her lasix. He did not know rule either.  Thinking you could contact him and get your $50 back ?

Finally, not bringing back Shartin N to winners circle was the most disrespectful thing Iíve witnessed in a longtime.  The NOBLE family has a storied history in Ohio. For an out of town horse to come into town, take $50,000 purse money and then piss on all the Ohio horseman sickens me. 

Keep whining about the extra $25,000 you MAY have won with your ineligible horse. Connections not bringing horse back to winners circle should have been a $25,000 fine !!!!   Karma gods have spoken Iím afraid

Peace IíM OUT. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Purple Lavern on May 09, 2019, 12:58:11 AM
I would have done the same thing...
Just another reason harness racing is headed the way of Elvis & honestly if I am Jim King et al..I tell
those big waisted Ohio folk to take a hike the next time they need some star power for one of the big races...
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: dannyboy on May 09, 2019, 01:50:26 AM
I love our sport but a lot of bullshit. Why do I need 8 different racing commission licenses? At some point in time we are all going to be under one umbrella group. Canít happen soon enough for me.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on May 09, 2019, 01:56:14 AM
3769-15-10. Registration with associations

(C) No horse shall be allowed to enter a race or a qualifying race unless it has been lip tattooed or freeze branded with the proper identification number. Effective: 1-1-85; 8-10-95; 5-7-01; 2-1-11

Princess, first off read the OHIO RULE above that your trainer should have read before entering the horse. New York has their own rule book. Glad you could race under that jurisdiction.  Ohio rule is black and white.  Maybe next time you bring a horse without a freeze brand into a new state read the Rules for that state. Easy to point blame at other people for your trainers negligence.

Yes, itís true the USTA is the driving force behind micro chipping.  However they do not dictate when jurisdictions choose to honor the new change.  It appears the USTA and the OSRC have never discussed this issue at length and they weíre not on same page.  Hard to believe since both buildings are located in Ohio.

The annual Board of Directors meeting that discuss rule changes for days, mean absolutely 0%.   All jurisdictions have their own rule books and make changes as they see fit.

The state vet does not give Lasix at Ohio tracks. Itís an independent practice that the management of MIami Valley allows on property.  in your case, sounds like this vet used micro chipping to identify your horse and give her lasix. He did not know rule either.  Thinking you could contact him and get your $50 back ?

Finally, not bringing back Shartin N to winners circle was the most disrespectful thing Iíve witnessed in a longtime.  The NOBLE family has a storied history in Ohio. For an out of town horse to come into town, take $50,000 purse money and then piss on all the Ohio horseman sickens me. 

Keep whining about the extra $25,000 you MAY have won with your ineligible horse. Connections not bringing horse back to winners circle should have been a $25,000 fine !!!!   Karma gods have spoken Iím afraid

Peace IíM OUT.

    Glad im not the only one that felt that way about not bringin Shartin back for picture. I dont give a flying fuck if Danny was ok with it. That was a big slap in the face not to the Noble family but to everybody that supports ohio racing from the back stretch to the grandstands. That was fucked up period. I can only hope karma hits you in the worst way and it will.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: COTTONWOOD FARM on May 09, 2019, 04:48:56 AM
    Glad im not the only one that felt that way about not bringin Shartin back for picture. I dont give a flying fuck if Danny was ok with it. That was a big slap in the face not to the Noble family but to everybody that supports ohio racing from the back stretch to the grandstands. That was fucked up period. I can only hope karma hits you in the worst way and it will.

I agree, ASS CANCER for Tim Teatrick ,that classless little bastard. Let Karma fill his anal cavity with Cancer, lets see if he can take a Bionic poop then.  Little gimp has No fucking class.
I  want him Screaming bloody murder just to take a shit.

Stable must have been too busy posing for pictures to read the rules book. Lets hope all that extra light gets them all skin cancer too.

 And all you guys who wanted to or have had coitus  with that so called Princess Cunt, yea I called her the C U NEXT TUESDAY  word, you got a hole boxload of diseases to look forward to

Have a nice day, more winners on the way
Hope you get Cancer coming out the wazoo Tim Teatrick
 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: princess on May 09, 2019, 07:04:40 AM
I appreciate the feed back - even the feedback that doesn't agree...it's useful information and I'm all for and open minded to opposing opinions.
So, again, thank you to those who actually put responses that had some genuine thought to them...
However, the ones mentioning ass cancer that are full of jealousy and childish remarks and name calling are just silly.
(I especially like the C U Next Tuesday comment. Made me laugh. LOL Haven't heard that one in awhile. LOL Hey Cottonwood, if you ever see me at a track, please introduce yourself - I'd love to put a face with that comment. LOL Sorry, not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you. I'm fascinated about what kind of person would write something so full of rage....and have a real fixation on buttholes and private parts. I don't go on here very much but is that usual behavior for Cottonwood?
Some of you could take a lesson from Harness Freak...he stated his opinion using words like disrespectful, whining etc. and so what if I don't agree...it was at least a well-thought out reply and I respect that he took the time to write it and voice how he felt in an intelligent way...)
This is like the third time I've tried to explain a situation to this forum and thought it would be at least useful to those who actually were interested in what exactly happened. Shame on me for the explanation on other horses having raced there already with only a microchip or the fact the horse was identified with a microchip already by a state vet and then I'm thinking that some people would be unable to post/reply about it without calling names...even if they didn't agree. Especially the ones who hide behind fake names..what is that about...really?
I'll let you carry on with your name calling and rumors - I'll direct my energy elsewhere and won't be back on. Have a great day! :-D
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: @ueenTwat on May 09, 2019, 07:06:47 AM
Sometimes I read the shit you guys write and I just gotta shake my head. Some of you are spot on and others just get an A for imagination.
She has a NZ tattoo and a USTA microchip...she's raced in DE and NY no problem with the microchip.
We were never told the Ohio wasn't honoring an entry if it only had a microchip. How would we know that? Can someone show me where that's written? She'sWe been identified with a microchip all year. Every track has a microchip reader - INCLUDING MIAMI VALLEY.
Joy's lasix was given because she was identified with a microchip reader. Yes, she already was identified via the microchip reader from the state vet. She warmed up and they told us literally when she had her bridle on to race that she was scratched and the reason was because she didn't have an American tattoo. I'm not messing with you...is that the craziest shit you've every heard?! 
We begged the judges and the judges would not budge. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a paddock back in the day when there were tattoos that were on the lips or even a freeze brand on the neck and you couldn't read it and they went off the markings on the paper.
But the bottom line is that she was already identified anyway by a state vet and the identifier could have easily gotten a hold of the microchip reader and also identified her once again for their purposes.
I found out that there have been horses who have raced at Miami Valley with a microchip only and they let them race but didn't let Joy race. There's even more to this story but I wont bore you...
and you can bash all you want for us not going to the winner circle but you have no idea....no idea...what you would do if you were in that position. The Noble Family understood and that includes Dan. Horsemen through out the paddock could not believe what was going on. Everyone was in shock. We got royally shafted. If any of you know me then you know I'm pretty positive and dont let a whole lot tick me off but this has really been a frustrating situation for all of Joy's connections.
So there's your story....
PS I don't go on here a bunch so if you ask me something and I dont reply, it's not personal...I'm just busy

Listen up ho. Just keep yo azz where it belongs and none of this shit will happen.  We don't need your kind here in Ohio, keep it on the east coast. Trying to pick up a paddock or two for some extra cash? We got plenty of young hustlers here to do the paddock, you can stay home and hustle some horsemen to give you some attention. Things are beginning to sag,and as old as you are, it is all downhill from now on
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 09, 2019, 07:44:29 AM
This is bringing more questions to my mind if the state vet read the microchip they must have a reader and knows the rules.  This whole damn situation is very damn weird
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 09, 2019, 07:51:51 AM
PUT SOME YOGURT ON THOSE MICROCHIPS AND YOU WILL KNOW WHY OHIO IS THE HEART OF IT ALL, WHEN IT COMES TO HARNESS RACING CONTROVERSIES
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on May 09, 2019, 08:12:01 AM
LETS DONT GIVE MVG ALL THE CREDIT IN THIS MESS..

TUESDAY AT NORTHFIELD

 
8  Aladin Du Dollar  SCR  ID        SCR        Andy Rickert


SAME THING   NO TATTOO  GOT CHIP
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ringo on May 09, 2019, 08:37:08 AM
LETS DONT GIVE MVG ALL THE CREDIT IN THIS MESS..

TUESDAY AT NORTHFIELD

 
8  Aladin Du Dollar  SCR  ID        SCR        Andy Rickert


SAME THING   NO TATTOO  GOT CHIP

But at least Rickert and Murdock didn't try to make a front page news story about it.  Leave it to all the broads in this industry to do that  64za.c 86z.st
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: half round full swedge on May 09, 2019, 10:10:13 AM
The USTA has NO power over ANY state racing commission. They can be "disappointed" by any states decision and it means SQUAT. They are a record keeping organization. Every state has it's own rules.

Exactly right.  Its the business we need to be in.  charge astronomical fees for everything and do nothing in return except keep the paperwork.  Thank you USTA for being disappointed also just reminder to "members" send your fees in. We're always needing money  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: NJ The best on May 09, 2019, 12:09:10 PM
Tim Tetrick bought into all 3 mares at a cost of 200k for 25%  ownership.  The 3 of them if they stay sound will be owned out by years end. He will have 3 very good mares to race next year for free.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 09, 2019, 01:04:53 PM
Tim Tetrick bought into all 3 mares at a cost of 200k for 25%  ownership.  The 3 of them if they stay sound will be owned out by years end. He will have 3 very good mares to race next year for free.

Newborn Sassy has already been retired so he is down to 2. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 09, 2019, 01:12:24 PM

Lets get one thing perfectly clear. The USTA is the only organization who tattoos , freeze brands , or microchips. They are in charge of identifying horses in the standardbred sport of harness racing. Ohio does not give tattoos , freeze brands, or microchips. The USTA sets the rules for identifying racehorses, and they are the only ones who do. Ask the state of Ohio to freeze brand a horse! LOL!


ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The USTA does NOT make the rules for identifying race horses. They make up THEIR OWN rules for identifying race horses. It's up to the INDIVIDUAL STATES to make their OWN rules of whats acceptable to THEM. Most will use the USTA rules but they CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE TO GO BY THEM. I always wondered WHY people think that the USTA is this all knowing and super power that controls racing. There is VERY little that they actually do have control over.

Does a horseman ask the state of Ohio to shoe a horse?  ngc3 ngc3
Does a horseman ask the state of Ohio to do the vet work on a horse?
The STATE licenses these people to do a job. I can guarantee that WHOEVER does the freeze branding or microchiping is LICENSED BY THE STATE OF OHIO.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: EPO on May 09, 2019, 02:19:01 PM
Again what other reason would he not go to winners circle.  Shouldn't be his problem, unless false ownership.  In which TT owns many horses with King, where he is not listed.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Poker King on May 09, 2019, 02:37:23 PM
you canít even get freeze branded tattoos anymore, you have to get microchipped, Ohio dropped the ball ; they had chip readers given to them by the USTA and still scratched the horse. can anyone do any research here before posting?

Exactly and the USTA came out with that in their press release. As of 2019 all horses from babies to foreign horses will be micro chipped and not freeze branded. Those horses who already are freeze branded will all be chipped by 2021. Bravo to Timmy and connections for the protest. Someone needs to sue these people in Ohio especially after USTA duh whoís in OHIO came out with their statement!!!
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 09, 2019, 02:41:52 PM
Any chance she wins Sunday.?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Poker King on May 09, 2019, 02:43:25 PM

Princess-It doesn't matter what other states that horse has raced in. Your complaint is with the Ohio stewards. IF you can prove POSITIVELY that other horses were allowed to race there with only a chip and no other id, you definitely have a valid complaint. I don't know the Ohio state horse racing rules. But this comes down to what the state rules are and did the stewards obey them. Anything the USTA says is irrelevant. They are not the governing body.

Well hereís the bottom line sheís not getting an American freeze brand for identification because itís not being done as of this year only microchips. So with that said are you supposed to get your own freeze kit??? for these assholes in OHIO?????
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Poker King on May 09, 2019, 02:44:34 PM
Any chance she wins Sunday.?

Tough spot but sheís better than the rest
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: 2minuteman on May 09, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
No tattoo
not even a tramp stamp?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 09, 2019, 03:54:17 PM
Again what other reason would he not go to winners circle.  Shouldn't be his problem, unless false ownership.  In which TT owns many horses with King, where he is not listed.

How is it false ownership if he is listed as owner
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: hoosierboy on May 09, 2019, 03:55:23 PM
Well hereís the bottom line sheís not getting an American freeze brand for identification because itís not being done as of this year only microchips. So with that said are you supposed to get your own freeze kit??? for these assholes in OHIO?????

Well said
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 09, 2019, 05:24:01 PM
Bill Crawford has hidden ownership with Virgil Morgan. There isno out of competition testing in OHIO.  Mr Crawford does nothing but collect and watch as. Adam Short  l Dan Noble , Virgil. Burke. Brian brown  after etc With all continue to  Blood dope, Prod 🔌  And take all the Ohio money.   Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Zoooooming By! on May 09, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Well, Viking 55, as a breeder of well over 500 standardbred horses ,I am well versed in this area. The USTA will not register a horse unless it is identified by their rules, NOT OHIO RULES, NOT NY RULES!  It can only be registered if identified by USTA RULES PERIOD! No one will ever race a horse who is not identified and registered with the USTA. A USTA employee ( not someone employed by the state ) comes to my farm records the markings of my foals, pulls  a sample of hair from its mane ( for its DNA sample which the USTA stores) and then microchips the foal ! All done by the USTA and its employee, last year the USTA would freeze brand the foal on the right side of its neck, but no longer does ! The USTA are no superpower , but yes they have came to NY and testified in The Supreme Court of NY, for me . They attested to Ownership and Identification ! The state of Ohio nor any other state tells the USTA what the rules of identification will be . The rules are voted on by board members of many states .The USTA does not freeze brand horses anymore, I wanted mine freeze branded as well as microchipped , they wouldn't !

May be a dumb question, but here it goes.

Can a Microchip be manipulated or changed?
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: caddy on May 09, 2019, 06:43:07 PM
Bill Crawford has hidden ownership with Virgil Morgan. There isno out of competition testing in OHIO.  Mr Crawford does nothing but collect and watch as. Adam Short  l Dan Noble , Virgil. Burke. Brian brown  after etc With all continue to  Blood dope, Prod 🔌  And take all the Ohio money.   Good luck to all.

That sounds impossible?  Who would jeopardize a cushy job unless they're really greedy? 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: viking55 on May 10, 2019, 10:39:21 PM
Well, Viking 55, as a breeder of well over 500 standardbred horses ,I am well versed in this area. The USTA will not register a horse unless it is identified by their rules, NOT OHIO RULES, NOT NY RULES!  It can only be registered if identified by USTA RULES PERIOD! No one will ever race a horse who is not identified and registered with the USTA. A USTA employee ( not someone employed by the state ) comes to my farm records the markings of my foals, pulls  a sample of hair from its mane ( for its DNA sample which the USTA stores) and then microchips the foal ! All done by the USTA and its employee, last year the USTA would freeze brand the foal on the right side of its neck, but no longer does ! The USTA are no superpower , but yes they have came to NY and testified in The Supreme Court of NY, for me . They attested to Ownership and Identification ! The state of Ohio nor any other state tells the USTA what the rules of identification will be . The rules are voted on by board members of many states .The USTA does not freeze brand horses anymore, I wanted mine freeze branded as well as microchipped , they wouldn't !

AND as I said- EACH STATE accepts what THEY want as rule of identification, NOT what the USTA says. Sure the USTA will only freeze brand, microchip or any other method of identification THEY want to use, on horses that they verify to be who they are supposed to be. They would be liable if the IDed a horse that turned out to be a different horse. And that's as far as the USTAs power goes.  STATES rules supersedes ANY USTA "rule".
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Fair is fair on May 11, 2019, 08:58:32 AM
3769-15-10. Registration with associations

(C) No horse shall be allowed to enter a race or a qualifying race unless it has been lip tattooed or freeze branded with the proper identification number. Effective: 1-1-85; 8-10-95; 5-7-01; 2-1-11

Princess, first off read the OHIO RULE above that your trainer should have read before entering the horse. New York has their own rule book. Glad you could race under that jurisdiction.  Ohio rule is black and white.  Maybe next time you bring a horse without a freeze brand into a new state read the Rules for that state. Easy to point blame at other people for your trainers negligence.

Yes, itís true the USTA is the driving force behind micro chipping.  However they do not dictate when jurisdictions choose to honor the new change.  It appears the USTA and the OSRC have never discussed this issue at length and they weíre not on same page.  Hard to believe since both buildings are located in Ohio.

The annual Board of Directors meeting that discuss rule changes for days, mean absolutely 0%.   All jurisdictions have their own rule books and make changes as they see fit.

The state vet does not give Lasix at Ohio tracks. Itís an independent practice that the management of MIami Valley allows on property.  in your case, sounds like this vet used micro chipping to identify your horse and give her lasix. He did not know rule either.  Thinking you could contact him and get your $50 back ?

Finally, not bringing back Shartin N to winners circle was the most disrespectful thing Iíve witnessed in a longtime.  The NOBLE family has a storied history in Ohio. For an out of town horse to come into town, take $50,000 purse money and then piss on all the Ohio horseman sickens me. 

Keep whining about the extra $25,000 you MAY have won with your ineligible horse. Connections not bringing horse back to winners circle should have been a $25,000 fine !!!!   Karma gods have spoken Iím afraid

Peace IíM OUT.
You sound exactly like the ultimate  piece of SHIT BILL CRAWFORD or his PUPPET MIKE rismick. The biggest scum in the game. In your opening statement you quoted the rule horse not allowed to enter..... Kiedel accepted the entry. Burden falls on him. You act like all the rules are readily available for horsemen to find and read. BULLSHIT...... scum like you enforce and twist rules as you feel like it. And prosecute whom you want to hurt for your own little man syndrome reasons... KARMA GETS ALL... and will get scum like you the hardest.....
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on May 11, 2019, 10:53:42 AM
   Fair ... im just a grandstand goof so the rules mean nothing to me. But am i right or wrong accepting the entry and checking tatoos or identification is 2 different things ? So yes i agree Keidel is a idiot but i dont think it was his fault accepting entry.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 11, 2019, 03:00:08 PM
Wendy Ross and that Stinky - pussy Heather Vittale were not happy that kings horse got scratched. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 11, 2019, 05:14:04 PM
I wasn't either.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 11, 2019, 05:23:03 PM
I agree itís crazy they scratched them.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on May 12, 2019, 09:49:02 PM
  You cant help but laugh  ngc3
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Pull the Pocket on May 12, 2019, 09:55:00 PM
all the cryin they did, glad they lost tonight
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 13, 2019, 04:31:13 AM
They did cry.  Tim teabag is the biggest baby of them all.  Itís never enough money for him.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: Ron Harvey on May 13, 2019, 04:32:36 AM
Heather vital and her stinky box wonít shut up about it. 
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: NJ The best on May 13, 2019, 10:26:32 AM
She was know match for Tequila  with a plant driving .
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on May 13, 2019, 10:56:49 AM
  6 horse was sitting on go the whole mile. 3 Justlikeaqueen considering she was 1st up most of the mile grinding she did not race bad either . 9 Apple bottom jeans is another one that raced pretty good. Matter of fact im going to say it now ... Apple Bottom Jeans wins that race next week.
Title: Re: Better Joy N
Post by: half round full swedge on May 13, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
they won 50 grand w/shartin.  take your money and stay on the east coast next time
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