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Title: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on April 22, 2019, 08:27:34 PM
Guaranteed there will be a winner but if the anti-racing people garner but a few minutes of air time and more than a couple of lines in the press then racing will be on the super fast track into oblivion. The tracks have their casinos and it is the only area where growth has taken place. A good friend who has known someone with NBC told him that their main concern is keeping the cameras away from what could possibly be the largest gathering of anti-racing groups and that it will be more than PETA that their concerned about. The best two minutes in sports maybe the beginning of the end to the best two minutes in sports.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on April 22, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
A little extreme ain't we. I would worry about BOBBY BAFFERIE.
The juicer ain't won a race in 2 months. The SHEIK has put a hit out on him.
Let's hope a good marksman.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on April 23, 2019, 04:38:59 AM
John Frank yes Baffert the Silver Haired Wonder Boy he should be worried about just the people in California if racing goes down there, they sure as hell will be looking for his Silver Hair Scalp. A few years back all his winners were coming back after testing with Thyroid medicine in the blood. They asked why and Baffert says he gives it to all his horses. When the Commission vets said after obtaining his vet records there was no proof in the horses history that the medicine was required they ordered Baffert to stop after two of his horses then died of heart attacks on the track. Funny right after that the wins came slowly. I read one article and the reporter claimed Baffert only was using the stuff as a mask of other drugs and that is why his winning ways stopped. I believe the California commission fined Baffert for negligence after the investigation saying not one horse in his barn required the Thyroid medicine and they attributed the deaths of the two horses to dangerous levels of the Thyroid medicine.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: MagnaballGin on April 26, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Correct John Frank, Baffert is damn cheat!
Remember one thing, JOHN FRANK ARMY stands on PRINCIPLES!  tmbz1
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on April 26, 2019, 08:19:36 PM
Correct John Frank, Baffert is damn cheat!
Remember one thing, JOHN FRANK ARMY stands on PRINCIPLES!  tmbz1

JOHN FRANK ARMY ALSO STANDS ON LADDERS
NOW WHO DO YOU LIKE IN THE DERBY AGAIN?
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: MagnaballGin on April 26, 2019, 09:29:19 PM
I'll wait for the John Frank to send out his Derby play...goodnight and thank you.  :P
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: DICK FURLONG on April 30, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XFVLUsx.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 01, 2019, 04:55:38 PM
Who knows what the weather will be but here are three that I will be looking at getting the job done in no particular order.
Game Winner
Omaha Beach
Cutting Humor
I think it will be between Game Winner and Omaha Beach with Cutting Humor getting up for a piece.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: kentuckywars on May 01, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Rain and a lot of it..... slop and a lot of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: DICK FURLONG on May 01, 2019, 06:57:25 PM
- Omaha Beach, the morning-line favorite for the Kentucky Derby on Saturday at Churchill Downs, will be scratched owing to an entrapped epiglottis, trainer Richard Mandella said Wednesday.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 01, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
- Omaha Beach, the morning-line favorite for the Kentucky Derby on Saturday at Churchill Downs, will be scratched owing to an entrapped epiglottis, trainer Richard Mandella said Wednesday.

One of the Bafferts will win now.  Game Winner and Roadster each worked like freaks last week. 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 02, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
JOHN FRANK ARMY will give his selection tomorrow. Early because some might want to bet OAKS/DERBY. Don't care about filly race.
Also there might be another scratch and want to see if SIGNALMAN draws in. Horrible post if he does. Only won once since 1930 and that the juiced up BIG BROWN.
Won DERBY and PREAKNESS and sucked in BELMONT. Finished last. And we all know who was trainin that guy. Because his home town made sure NO DRUGS in system. And the track gonna be sealed. Sealed tracks make for front runners. What happened to days of MUDDY,SLOPPY,GOOD,FAST.
I'M expecting 4 horses in race to be pulled up or distanced which being the same.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Charamar Mellow on May 02, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
no 2nd AE. If Haikal scratched they go with 19.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: DICK FURLONG on May 02, 2019, 05:30:14 PM
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc10/28026/oaks-pps-pdf-174k?da=y

https://www.keepandshare.com/doc10/28027/derby-pps-pdf-191k?da=y

Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 02, 2019, 06:18:34 PM
Disregard my selections from earlier, I'll post tomorrow. On the first look the race looks unbeatable but digging a little deeper then some standout a little bit. This is a race where you can throw out at least 9 that have absolutely no shot and then go from there. The race looks like there will be some value.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 02, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
Disregard my selections from earlier, I'll post tomorrow. On the first look the race looks unbeatable but digging a little deeper then some standout a little bit. This is a race where you can throw out at least 9 that have absolutely no shot and then go from there. The race looks like there will be some value.

Favs mostly last several years..time for another Giacomo or Mine That Bird payoff.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 02, 2019, 11:56:05 PM
Luv the mine the bird race. Kept watching  the replay over and over trying to detect if  borel shoved an electrical prod up the colts rear end about a half mile out but never could locate it. Real odd run. Horse ran second next race (pimlico) and then became an also ran.

Well couldn't have been something odd went on - always trust trainers from the Southwest and sheb wooley was beyond reproach.

In honor of that race, and only if the track is sloppy, I'm going with the 1war of wills and using in key ex bx with the three baffert horses, Mott's colt and the improving pletchers colt - spinoff.

Keeping my fingers crossed that gaffalone gets the flu and Calvin comes back for one more derby run in the mud up the rail. ngc3

Good luck!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 03, 2019, 06:33:57 AM
I think Maximum Security will be the horse to beat in the Derby. He looks to be the true lone early horse and out of post 7 should get his early position. Track profile at the distance the last few Derbys the winner was no more than 2 lengths off the lead at the second call. His Florida Derby score Saez took the lead put them to sleep and coasted home for a easy race. I will be using Tacitus, Improbable and Vekoma also in exotics.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: DICK FURLONG on May 03, 2019, 09:21:50 AM
Haikal, winner of the Grade 3 Gotham Stakes, has been withdrawn from Saturday's Kentucky Derby due to an abscess in his left front hoof.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 03, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
I think Maximum Security will be the horse to beat in the Derby. He looks to be the true lone early horse and out of post 7 should get his early position. Track profile at the distance the last few Derbys the winner was no more than 2 lengths off the lead at the second call. His Florida Derby score Saez took the lead put them to sleep and coasted home for a easy race. I will be using Tacitus, Improbable and Vekoma also in exotics.

yo, yo, Lice Man

You can bet that shit with me.  I will book anything you want to bet.  Not only are you an ignorant fuck like Calhoun says, but you are also a non-handicapping, dead money mother fucker.  Stupid fuck.  I will take your "exotics" too.  They're exotic, all right.  Until next time, darlings......... ..............HEI L HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 03, 2019, 01:59:33 PM
Buffy did you skip school today. Sorry but your allowance couldn't cover any bet. Stay in school kid.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slimshady on May 03, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
Has Buffy always been this angry ??
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slivercharm on May 03, 2019, 03:50:25 PM
Buffy did you skip school today. Sorry but your allowance couldn't cover any bet. Stay in school kid.

Because by the last few winners were within 2 of the lead this derby will run the same way? Iíll take that bet Tim sign me up
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 03, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Because by the last few winners were within 2 of the lead this derby will run the same way? Iíll take that bet Tim sign me up

 62za.clp 62za.clp 62za.clp

Not a big surprise that EVERYONE knows that Lice Man is one stupid mother fucker.  And a liar.  And a coward.  And a bustout.  And did I mention stupid?  Until next time, sweeties......... ......HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 03, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
I think Maximum Security will be the horse to beat in the Derby. He looks to be the true lone early horse and out of post 7 should get his early position. Track profile at the distance the last few Derbys the winner was no more than 2 lengths off the lead at the second call. His Florida Derby score Saez took the lead put them to sleep and coasted home for a easy race. I will be using Tacitus, Improbable and Vekoma also in exotics.

Oh, oh.  Some steam coming in on this rat.  They're watching the weather radar.  If its a sealed expressway, then he might try a coast to coast, Bobby Orr move.  Lice Man just borrowed an extra $20 from his mother to bet.  Loser.  Until next time, laddies.......... ...HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: carl baldwin on May 03, 2019, 07:08:44 PM
I like and will be betting Game Winner.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 03, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
yo, yo, Lice Man

You can bet that shit with me.  I will book anything you want to bet.  Not only are you an ignorant fuck like Calhoun says, but you are also a non-handicapping,

dead money mother fucker. 

Stupid fuck.  I will take your "exotics" too.  They're exotic, all right.  Until next time, darlings......... ..............HEI L HITLER!!

Tim Dead Money MotherFucker

 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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         ngc3
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: bug boy on May 04, 2019, 06:07:18 AM
 BOXING UP

TAX,

MAXIMUM SECURITY  *

ROADSTER

GAME WINNER
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: EPM on May 04, 2019, 09:08:08 AM
11,17/7,11,17,/7,11,15,17,21
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 09:38:53 AM
11,17/7,11,17,/7,11,15,17,21

The 11 and 12 are scratched.

DD Will Pays a bit heavy on the 8 ball.  I'm not a huge Mott fan but he's got a better shot than overrated Pletcher or "Have Another Donut" Shug.

I'm sticking with the silver-haired assassin.  And because Rosario rides Game Winner, I'm going with the Champ.  Roadster with the Frog to come close.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: EPM on May 04, 2019, 10:19:10 AM
Thanks... New tri 7,17/7,17,21/7,10,14,17,21
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: EPM on May 04, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
And 15 for 3rd..enjoy all tmbz1
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 12:26:28 PM

Mott burns money again at 4/5 with Hidden Scroll.  Nice guy, but waaay overrated.

Track is super right now, but rain (heavy) is coming.  That means they won't be able to seal the track before the Derby.  So far, horses on the front have been going easy but giving it up in the lane.  All this spells trouble for Lice Man the Mooch and his pick, Maximum Security.  I'm looking for strong last quarters in priors.  Looking for a bomber but still no reason to get off the silver-haired assassin.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
Alright here goes.
(1) I'm not playin race. Any race with Sun Glass boy. I won't play. His best though would be the 5,IMPROBABLE. He put the blinks on last race for first time. Horse ran a strong race against OMAHA BEACH finishin 2nd. Blinks off today goin longer. Good angle. I'M personally hopin VETS scratch all 3 his horses at gate. By the way. In second today at CHURCHILL he had heavy favorite. LOST.
(2) But I will promoe a couple LONGSHOTS.
    (1) VEKOMA. the # 6 horse. Bred big time for OFF. Candy Ride on front side with Speightstown on rear. He has best mud sires in race. He can front run but also pace of lead. He needs to get good position and not get to much mud thrown in face. CASTELLANO a decent jock. Trainer not known for havin classy horses. But this could be his day. Currently 23-1.
     (2) SPINOFF. the # 19 horse although he moves up to 18 hole. Realy don't like post as he has been front running. But his breeding is great for OFF and DISTANCE. A Hard Spun out of DANZIG and rear side,he a Gone West. Both grand fathers could run forever and on off. Jockey Manual Franco. He good ridin in NEW YORK,but this KENTUCKY. The trainer,PLETCHER. So that works. But JOHHNY VALESQUES drops off to ride the 13. And he one of Pletchers main riders.
     (3) These are BRED for TURF horses. I would not touch. Eventually their money will be made there. 1,2,4,13.

Good luck to those bettin race. Remember: There's a BILLION races in one's lifetime. There's races everywhere if one knows how to handicap. Look for spots. One last thing. I handicap me own races. I pay no attention to what other individuals or handicappers say. Sayin that. You should do same and disregard anything JOHN FRANK ARMY has just said.

I am JOHN FRANK ARMY and I am the BEST. GO ARMY. 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
Sun Glass Boy. 6th at CHURCHILL. Heavy favorite. LOST.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: MagnaballGin on May 04, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
TY John Frank, as always I will follow your sage advice!
Good luck to all!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 04, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
Jf - thanks for analysis. Waiting to see myself how much rain comes. Playing the 1 if muddy or sloppy. Churchill is a funny track dirt wise - and I know the 1 can run in the Churchill mud. Some can't - see the oaks favorite yesterday.

Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
DUKE and I hope you ain't from the DUKE brothers.
Not talkin you out of play. The 1 is out of DANZIG. But rest of breedin is all TURF. His chances improve because they settin gate with him in 2 hole. That gives him more room to maneuver. But he turf bred. Hope you hit. None of these ponies have ever run in big field,weight,and distance.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
Yeah,I saw the race. Did not bet. I would have swore the 14 would have beat the 13. 14 no where.
And the CAT man at long odds finishes 2nd. Nice EXACTA.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: spaheaven on May 04, 2019, 04:09:23 PM
Maximum Security wire to wire...if you cheap fucks came up with 16k in December we fould have owned him :)
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 04:12:31 PM
Yeah sure. A $16,000 maiden claimer gonna win DERBY.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 04:53:49 PM
Anyone want to make a bet.
I'm sayin. BOOOBIE, JILL, and CODY,BRODIE,whatever the fuc name he is. All will be wearin sunglasses and have dyed white hair.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 05:12:49 PM
It's 50/50 if they are going to miss out on the rain.

big band of weather heading just south but clear behind it.

JOHN FRANK ARMY still alive.  I like his 6 ball call for a longshot.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 05:33:35 PM


If it's green and horses eat it, CHAD BROWN owns it.   That kid is tops.  He's come a long way from the wide-eyed punk who worked for Frankel.  Good for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 06:13:33 PM

Oh, oh.   Pletcher just said the inside is deep because they kept the harrow on it.  Very deep.  Outside horses in good spot but some big elephant who can plough through this shit might reach.  Maybe that mule Grey Magician.  Big and strong sumbitch.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
The 4 bred for turf. You member Johanessburg. Big time favorite in DERBY. Ran out. His breedin is what suggest. Only bet on turf.
And the 4 is cheap. Unbrided song out of combination with JOHAN is a turf bred.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 04, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
Buffy and Calhoun through the judges no win but outside of that fuck you.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: spaheaven on May 04, 2019, 07:19:53 PM
Yeah sure. A $16,000 maiden claimer gonna win DERBY.

Retire forever from this site John Dickhead.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 07:24:25 PM
SPA: YOU LOST. But nice bettin a favorite. You will learn. $16.000 maiden claimer.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 04, 2019, 07:29:40 PM
Me apologies. Thought they took 7 down. Nice hit at 7-1.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 04, 2019, 07:31:49 PM
CNN and NBC sports online posted maximum security wins Kentucky Derby. Knuckleheads might have wanted to wait till the inquiry was over.

My horse (1) was fouled but still didn't think they would take Servis horse down.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 04, 2019, 08:44:17 PM
Kentucky sent Servis a message, fuck you and your 30% win percentage, not here in our race. Yeah he stepped out and Gaffflioni went where he shouldn't which made it look much worse. No big deal what is done is done.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 08:49:58 PM
Buffy and Calhoun through the judges no win but outside of that fuck you.

yo, yo, Mush,

You made a nice call, but you're still a loser.  The big question is how in the world will you ever pay back your mother?  That's sad that you had to raid her bingo jar to bet on that rat.  You should seek help.  Until next time, darlings......... .......HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 04, 2019, 09:18:40 PM
Buffy take a lesson here, don't write a cheque you can't cash. Had the judges followed their normal pattern and did nothing you were done. Everyone here I think will agree. Your one angry, no nothing infant, end of story. Now take tha Hitler shit and shove it up your ass.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 09:27:13 PM
Buffy take a lesson here, don't write a cheque you can't cash. Had the judges followed their normal pattern and did nothing you were done. Everyone here I think will agree. Your one angry, no nothing infant, end of story. Now take tha Hitler shit and shove it up your ass.
 
yo, yo, Mush,

I was trying to give you credit, but you insist on being a neophyte asshole.  "Normal pattern?"  You stupid fuck.  As was said multiple times on the telecast, if this was a maiden claimer on a Wednesday the horse comes down in 10 seconds.  Bottom line, you're a loser and there's nothing you can do about it.  Until next time, sweetie.......... .HEIL HITLER!!

p.s.  The more interesting question for this worthless forum is how does the 20 who was untouched get to lodge the objection?  Imagine if you go around and finish 5th and there is some shit going on up front.  How do you get to lodge an objection?  If you watch the race, the 20 caused interference too coming down on a horse.  If you allow that, then any horse in the race could have lodged an objection and Lice Man's horse would be placed last. 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: TW on May 04, 2019, 09:56:25 PM
Duh....20 did not lodge an objection.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 04, 2019, 10:21:02 PM
Duh....20 did not lodge an objection.

TW - my understanding was is it was the 20s jock Pratt that lodged objection. The 1 was impeded - I've seen worse though left up. In the derby I didn't see the 7 coming down. But ultimately right call. Odd fact pattern.

Pratt knew he wasn't fouled regardless of his yapping. He just rolled the dice and since his colt was close to the incident it was allowed go forward and unravel for Saez/Servis.

Saez I feel a little for; Servis I could give a rat's ass about.

Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 04, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
Duh....20 did not lodge an objection.
Shut Up Dummy

"Borden, the chief steward of the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, read the statement. She said the decision was unanimous. She said both Jon Court, aboard Long Range Toddy, and Flavien Prat, aboard Country House, claimed foul against Maximum Security and his jockey, Luis Saez."
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 04, 2019, 10:40:01 PM
Duh....20 did not lodge an objection.

yo, yo, TWat,

Another stupid fuck.  You must be Lice Man's twin brother.

The horse taken down from first to 17th by stewards did not appear to impact Country House, whose rider lodged the objection. Jon Court, aboard Long Range Toddy, also claimed foul.

We're trying to figure this out with the plopsters.  Idiots like you just muck things up.  Shut the fuck up and stay off this worthless forum.  Idiot.  Until next time, laddies......HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: mike tomar on May 05, 2019, 11:07:15 AM
Kentucky Derby drama queen of all horse racing just fuck itís self in the ass.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: kantseeback on May 05, 2019, 12:04:24 PM
I had a funny observation on the race and some of you might get on my case but I made the following observations and comparisons/
when lou pena was juicing and winning everything in sight at yr some of his horse at the top of the stretch seemed beat, the rest of the field appeared like they were going to go by but then penas horse got a sudden burst of energy and drew away.
2019 derby, #7 seemed dead at the top of the lane and several horses were looming. regardless of his drift or foul he did draw off. and the second place finisher was never bothered by the foul.

hmmmm
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 05, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
I had a funny observation on the race and some of you might get on my case but I made the following observations and comparisons/
when lou pena was juicing and winning everything in sight at yr some of his horse at the top of the stretch seemed beat, the rest of the field appeared like they were going to go by but then penas horse got a sudden burst of energy and drew away.
2019 derby, #7 seemed dead at the top of the lane and several horses were looming. regardless of his drift or foul he did draw off. and the second place finisher was never bothered by the foul.

hmmmm

  Many have seen the same, as rumor on backside is he has been gassing for awhile now.
AND BAFFERT SAID "THEY JUST DIDN'T DQ ENOUGH OF THEM"  ngc3
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 05, 2019, 07:44:29 PM
Where's the big mystery?

Only 3 horses other than the winner who were in the front 12 at the half mile pole. had any kind of chance.

Vekoma stopped bad and War of Will wasn't going to win.

And Improbable ran awful at 4/1

Game Winner and Tacitus both had horrible trips.

Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Jctoronto on May 05, 2019, 09:13:54 PM
code of honor...who was never supposed to win that race BUT WAS DEFINITELY 'UNDER MATERIAL'
KEYED 2nd 3rd 4th and/or 5th
John Velasquez, lo and behold, who had the rail open wide in front of him when #7 blew the turn and #1 pulled out to challenge and get tripped up..had every chance to go through inside the 7 BUT BUT BUT....THAT WASNT THE SCRIPT.
Velasquez held up ON PURPOSE and let 7 recapture position AHEAD of him...thus code of honor ended where most formplayers thought he would...a very under keyable 3rd, placed 2nd for all that payout glory for those lucky enough to go that route.

the camera shot that has the green clad velasquez riding the rail, but HITTING THE BRAKES, when he shockingly had chance to go through is the telling shot..and confirms velasquez had no intention of winning but to do what trainer said he do.

its an indictment against t'bred game,,but not surprising....and yes even a kentucky derby running requires following trainers instructions....C ODE OF HONOR SHOULD OF WON, COULD OF WON...but 'respect' for past performance bible and trainers instruuctions trumped any velasquez personal glory.

i wish hed been asked about that chance for glory at postrace media availability
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slivercharm on May 05, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
I was betting numbers had the 7 and 20 boxed for a $2 exacta would have at least covered my bets damn thereís always next year
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: harnessplop on May 05, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
The sky is falling, velasquez could retire now..he eorks n risks life for a fix..please go ON MEDS
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 06, 2019, 05:33:01 AM
I read an interesting article the aftermath of this year's Derby that Jason Servis was under more security than any other trainer at this year's race. They went on to say that since last year his shed row had been checked more than any other trainer at whatever track. This writer also claims that every horse entered gets a blow out the morning of the race which is totally different than his training style of a few years ago yet very similar to Baffert. There was no answers in the article but a ton of speculations and negativity as to why his win percentage at all tracks combined is 30% or better. The writer went as far to say that the rider will be off the horse for literally thinking he was just a passenger as nothing would piss Servis off more than when he finally had one good enough and lit up and the jock blows the turn, after all it is the Derby and they are still trying to figure out what Servis is using. We all will never know but for starters let's see if the writer is right and Saez is replaced for starters and see if it's the same for Belmont where Servis is stabled because Saez rides NY as his home base.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 06, 2019, 10:37:47 AM
I read an interesting article the aftermath of this year's Derby that Jason Servis was under more security than any other trainer at this year's race. They went on to say that since last year his shed row had been checked more than any other trainer at whatever track. This writer also claims that every horse entered gets a blow out the morning of the race which is totally different than his training style of a few years ago yet very similar to Baffert. There was no answers in the article but a ton of speculations and negativity as to why his win percentage at all tracks combined is 30% or better. The writer went as far to say that the rider will be off the horse for literally thinking he was just a passenger as nothing would piss Servis off more than when he finally had one good enough and lit up and the jock blows the turn, after all it is the Derby and they are still trying to figure out what Servis is using. We all will never know but for starters let's see if the writer is right and Saez is replaced for starters and see if it's the same for Belmont where Servis is stabled because Saez rides NY as his home base.

What an asshole.  Complete asswipe.  Psssst....I know a guy who wrote an article.    Pssst....you won't believe what he said.  What a cunt.  You stupid fuck.  Fucking idiot.  So, let me get this straight.  They've been watching Servis for over a year, been up his ass and back, tested until the cows came home and FOUND NOTHING.  And because you are some punk moron cocksucker you wouldn't know that blowing a horse out on the morning of the race was standard procedure for decades and decades.  Some old timers used to go really fast workouts.  Shut the fuck up and stay off this worthless forum, you mush-mouth, idiot fuck.  Until next time, sweeties......... ...HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 06, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
Yes some trainers blow their horses out the morning, of what was said Servis didn't use to do that and now all his horses do. And he is also in a group that will never or at least so far get nailed. You Buffy on the other hand are one totally angry kid, stay in school and get your education from some other person other than Calhoun or maybe Buffy is really Calhoun, whatever you are now officially on the ignore list.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: HornbyDuke on May 06, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
A few last thoughts. Watched cameras on Mott and Servis in full 20 minute objection  period. Body language and conversation btw each trainer and camera man taping the trainer reaction leads me to conclude Mott thought he was going to get screwed and Servis thought his horse would stay up. As it lags on though, Servis gets more antsy as he he should.

So often officials swallow the whistle in all sports at crunch time and this time they didnt. I found refreshing and I bet the 1 (see way above) who had the biggest gripe. He runs second if he doesn't lose momentum.  Do think it was werid the 1 jock doesn't object? He finished 8 (actually not that far back) but really lost all chance when the Servis horse came out.

Don't care for Servis but he handled this well in public. Didn't throw a tantrum.

Lucky not horse or human hurt.
 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slimshady on May 06, 2019, 02:51:35 PM
It's official   ....    Buffy The Vampire Slayer is the most ignorant, douche bag on this entire site.
Congratulations dick wad.

Regards
Slimshady
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 06, 2019, 07:44:37 PM
Yes some trainers blow their horses out the morning, of what was said Servis didn't use to do that and now all his horses do. And he is also in a group that will never or at least so far get nailed. You Buffy on the other hand are one totally angry kid, stay in school and get your education from some other person other than Calhoun or maybe Buffy is really Calhoun, whatever you are now officially on the ignore list.

yo, yo, Lice Man,

You stupid little fucking twerp.  I've got grandkids older than you, cunt face.  I never used to interval train when I started either.  So when any trainer changes things up, they are cheating?  What a fucking retard.  Everybody used to go doubleheaders, then it stopped.  Then guys used to jog the day of the race to help with tying up, something that was never done.  Things always change.  Except one thing.  There will always be little losers trying to find da shit because they have no idea of how to get to the winners circle.  Pricks like you and Slim Shitty and Hammer Head and Stunned Forever will always be that faction that sets this game back.  Until next time, laddies.......... .......HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: NJ HORSEMAN on May 06, 2019, 08:35:08 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/kentucky-derby-decision-may-avert-disaster/588814/

ANDREW COHEN, WHERE HAVE I READ THAT NAME BEFORE? WRITES ON THE DERBY.  GOOD I HOPE HE BECOMES THEIR PAIN IN THE ASS NOW
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Jctoronto on May 07, 2019, 02:02:06 AM
3 judges in the churchill booth...2 of 3 required for change in order...and thats what happened

re: harnessplop comment velasquez risked hall of fame by succmbing to fix.

its a 'controlled environment'..with trainer instructions 100% paramount...and if i tell Velasquez to stay behind #7 at the top of the stretch..then GODDAMMIT unless #7 falls you stay behind him...though always within hailing distance FOR FUTURE REFERENCE (next race, sale or breeding purposes)
and coming off his trouble line race before..velasquez and code of honor executed as he was instruucted...an underkey position (2nd/3rd/4th or 5th)..was never was going to win...and he knew it.
ITS NOT A FIX WHEN YOU FOLLOW BOSS' ORDERS.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 07, 2019, 09:02:28 AM
This whole debate will go on till the cows come home. Out of all of it IMO this is about the judges. Like many trainers said after, had this been a claimer on a Wednesday the horse comes down in under a minute. We all see things in a race both Thoroughbred and Harness and wonder why nothing was done by the judges. Then why should they be held more accountable to get it right for only the big races when it should be that way for all races. The call should never had taken 22 minutes or whatever it took, should the horse had to come down, yes and I had him. The minute the horse went wide that close I knew to tear them up.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: DICK FURLONG on May 07, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
 The horse bore out and impeded another horse, BUT,because it was the DERBY, that should be ignored? And in the DERBY, any thing goes?  Because he was the favorite, he should get special privilege?

BALDERDASH.
 
The rules are the rules and should be enforced, the same in every race
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 07, 2019, 11:23:01 AM
This whole debate will go on till the cows come home. Out of all of it IMO this is about the judges. Like many trainers said after, had this been a claimer on a Wednesday the horse comes down in under a minute. We all see things in a race both Thoroughbred and Harness and wonder why nothing was done by the judges. Then why should they be held more accountable to get it right for only the big races when it should be that way for all races. The call should never had taken 22 minutes or whatever it took, should the horse had to come down, yes and I had him. The minute the horse went wide that close I knew to tear them up.

yo, yo, Lice Man,

You've been tearing 'em up for all 15 minutes that you've been in this game.  Which, by the way, I will concede is 14 minutes longer than Andrew Cohen, Slim Shitty, Hammer Head, Jewffrey and ATC have been in the game.  But you can't avoid being a total assclown.

The Stewards said Jon Court lodged an objection but we never heard what Court said.  Nobody mentions how Prat shaved that corner and bothered at least one inside nag.  Then, how does Prat get to lodge an objection when he wasn't bothered by the winner?  Instead of looking for da shit and looking like a complete asshole in the process (Andrew Cohen perfected that), why don't you just shut up and ask your parents why they turned you into such a jealous, fearful dickhead.  Until next time, sweeties......... ..HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slimshady on May 07, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
Buffy quote:      "You've been tearing 'em up for all 15 minutes that you've been in this game.  Which, by the way, I will concede is 14 minutes longer than Slim Shitty."

All the ignorant responses you can muster, won't erase the fact that you are an ignorant, douche bag.

Live with it.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 07, 2019, 01:12:12 PM
Slim I have no idea what Buffy is rambling on about now because I have him on ignore. What I do know is that though he claims to be older and wiser he is still wet behind the ears and really not that old as he claims to be by having children older than me. Just another keyboard tough guy that would when faced with a challenge would run and hide while wetting his diapers. Put him on ignore like many have and forget about him.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 07, 2019, 03:46:13 PM
Slim I have no idea what Buffy is rambling on about now because I have him on ignore. What I do know is that though he claims to be older and wiser he is still wet behind the ears and really not that old as he claims to be by having children older than me. Just another keyboard tough guy that would when faced with a challenge would run and hide while wetting his diapers. Put him on ignore like many have and forget about him.
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Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 07, 2019, 04:26:52 PM
Slim I have no idea what Buffy is rambling on about now because I have him on ignore. What I do know is that though he claims to be older and wiser he is still wet behind the ears and really not that old as he claims to be by having children older than me. Just another keyboard tough guy that would when faced with a challenge would run and hide while wetting his diapers. Put him on ignore like many have and forget about him.

yo, yo, Lice Man,

Stop it.  Calhoun is going to break a rib from laughing so much AT you.  I know, I know, you don't read a single thing I write.  That's fine, assclown.  At least you can read.  Asswipes like your caddy, Slim Shitty, can't say the same.

But here's the rub.  I destroy your da shit arguments on the merits AND THEN I call you a jealous, fearful, bogeyman-searching, know-nothing, dead money mush mother fucker.  You and your girlfriends like to make personal comments but can never answer "where is da shit?"  Once an assclown, always an assclown.  I'm so sorry for your loss.  Until next time, darlings......... .......HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Purple Lavern on May 07, 2019, 04:33:53 PM
yo, yo, Lice Man,

Stop it.  Calhoun is going to break a rib from laughing so much AT you.  I know, I know, you don't read a single thing I write.  That's fine, assclown.  At least you can read.  Asswipes like your caddy, Slim Shitty, can't say the same.

But here's the rub.  I destroy your da shit arguments on the merits AND THEN I call you a jealous, fearful, bogeyman-searching, know-nothing, dead money mush mother fucker.  You and your girlfriends like to make personal comments but can never answer "where is da shit?"  Once an assclown, always an assclown.  I'm so sorry for your loss.  Until next time, darlings......... .......HEIL HITLER!!

you making friends again  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 07, 2019, 04:49:29 PM
Ice Man Tim:

1.  sent me a dick pic on a PM.

2.  And he blocked me from replying.

3.  Then he put me on ignore.

Tim knows everybody. 

Tim speaks directly to Northern Dancer whenever he wants.

Lice Man  ngc3 ngc3

Tim tmbz1


Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 07, 2019, 05:14:16 PM
you making friends again  ;D

yo, yo, Unable to Earn,

 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2  It was getting a little stale on the buggy thread so I brought my warmth over here.  But no matter where I go, there's ATC-like idiots waiting.  They make your daddy, Jewffrey, look like a saint.

In any event, doesn't look like any winning baseball in Chitown this year again.  And if the Hawks don't get moving (like getting a legit tendy) it will be another lost year on the ice.  Hope all is well and if you find da shit anywhere on the Hawthorne backstretch please tell these clowns like Lice Man and Slim Shitty that you struck gold.  Until next time, laddies.......HEI L HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 07, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
Forget any Triple Crown this year as Mott has said because the horse has a cough full blown sickness is just around the corner and the horse won't go to the Preakness.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 07, 2019, 06:07:03 PM
Forget any Triple Crown this year as Mott has said because the horse has a cough full blown sickness is just around the corner and the horse won't go to the Preakness.
Thnaks
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 07, 2019, 08:08:54 PM
Thnaks

THANK BILL FOR BOTH OF US?
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slimshady on May 07, 2019, 08:31:09 PM
Are Buffy and Calhoun one and the same douche bag.
They both use the same line about wiping the floor with others and destroying da shit their arguments, but never offer any confirmed facts or intelligent comments.   All they excel at is grade 4 name calling and emojis. 
Iceman is right.   
Like Calhoun a month ago, Buffy is now on ignore.

Chow ass wad!!

Sincerely
Slimshady

 
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Calhoun on May 07, 2019, 08:51:07 PM
Are Buffy and Calhoun one and the same douche bag.
They both use the same line about wiping the floor with others and destroying da shit their arguments, but never offer any confirmed facts or intelligent comments.   All they excel at is grade 4 name calling and emojis. 
Iceman is right.   
Like Calhoun a month ago, Buffy is now on ignore.

Chow ass wad!!

Sincerely
Slimshady
Tim #3
You read every word.

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Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 07, 2019, 10:17:19 PM
Are Buffy and Calhoun one and the same douche bag.
They both use the same line about wiping the floor with others and destroying da shit their arguments, but never offer any confirmed facts or intelligent comments.   All they excel at is grade 4 name calling and emojis. 
Iceman is right.   
Like Calhoun a month ago, Buffy is now on ignore.

Chow ass wad!!

Sincerely
Slimshady
 
yo, yo, Slim Shitty,

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You stupid fuck.  You're so stupid, its funny.  Now read this:  Calhoun has torn you a new asshole.  Sticking up for Lice Man is a suicide maneuver.  One idiot up another idiot's ass.

Now read this:  You assert no "confirmed facts?"  Here, chew on this asshole:

Jason Servis positive tests using da shit:   ZERO
Lou Pena positive tests using da shit:        ZERO
Number of times the idiots have found da shit:    ZERO

You seem like a very young neophyte little idiot looking for some attention.  Fuck off.  Shut the fuck up and stay off this worthless forum.  Idiot.  Now read this.  Thank you.  Until next time, retards.......... ....HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: MagnaballGin on May 07, 2019, 10:53:16 PM
 
yo, yo, Slim Shitty,

You seem like a very young neophyte little idiot looking for some attention.  Fuck off.  Shut the fuck up and stay off this worthless forum.  Idiot.  Now read this.  Thank you.  Until next time, retards.......... ....HEIL HITLER!!

Slim Shitty...haha, I like that! Any fan of Eminem is nothing but a wigger bitch!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 08, 2019, 07:50:00 AM
The few runners that Gary West has with Mark Casse are now being moved to other trainers.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 08, 2019, 10:33:58 AM
The few runners that Gary West has with Mark Casse are now being moved to other trainers.

Why make Casse pay? Instructions to not let anyone by, no matter what? 73cv.2 tmbz1
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 08, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
This is just a jerk reaction to post race comments to what Casse said. He told his jock to not call foul but did the infraction warrant a DQ Casse said in his mind yes and if he finished second he would have claimed foul. Looks like the rich owners can't get along in the sandbox.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 08, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
This is just a jerk reaction to post race comments to what Casse said. He told his jock to not call foul but did the infraction warrant a DQ Casse said in his mind yes and if he finished second he would have claimed foul. Looks like the rich owners can't get along in the sandbox.

  IT'S THEIR GAME ANYWAYS, WE JUST WATCHIN
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 08, 2019, 11:40:02 AM
This is just a jerk reaction to post race comments to what Casse said. He told his jock to not call foul but did the infraction warrant a DQ Casse said in his mind yes and if he finished second he would have claimed foul. Looks like the rich owners can't get along in the sandbox.

Don't hurt yourself, fuckface.  You have NO ability to offer any valuable insight into what happened because you are stupid and cowardly.

Although Barber is a hot-headed Aussie who likes to meddle in his trainers' plans, he was spot on with his comments here.  To blame Tyler G is insane.  Likewise, for Casse to say that Saez was intentionally veering in and out is wrong.  Horses drift, lug or even bolt before or despite a jock's efforts to keep them straight. Its a split second event. 

So, what have we come to learn as a result of the 2019 Derby:

1.  The Stewards at CD, like most panel of Stewards, are idiots. (No inquiry?)
2.  However, they most likely made the right call. (Mott's horse was squeezing too, tho)
3.   And, finally, Lice Man and Slim Shitty are complete morons.

Until next time, darlings......... .....HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: slimshady on May 08, 2019, 04:10:27 PM
"Slim Shitty...haha, I like that! Any fan of Eminem is nothing but a wigger bitch!"

Magna  ....    Buffy is a douche bag, calling out everyone because he's protected by the screen.    Never has anything intelligent to say, but trashes anyone that comments on any subject.
I have him on ignore.    Should have done it 6 months ago.

Anyone signing off with Heil Hitler, pretty much tells you everything you need to know about him or her.   Could be a woman.   Any little pussy, male or female can hide behind their keyboard on HorsePlop.
For the record, I couldn't tell you 1 song Eminem is responsible for.   I just like the name.  Don't even mind Slim Shitty to tell you the truth!!   
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 08, 2019, 04:20:37 PM
"Slim Shitty...haha, I like that! Any fan of Eminem is nothing but a wigger bitch!"

Magna  ....    Buffy is a douche bag, calling out everyone because he's protected by the screen.    Never has anything intelligent to say, but trashes anyone that comments on any subject.
I have him on ignore.    Should have done it 6 months ago.

Anyone signing off with Heil Hitler, pretty much tells you everything you need to know about him or her.   Could be a woman.   Any little pussy, male or female can hide behind their keyboard on HorsePlop.
For the record, I couldn't tell you 1 song Eminem is responsible for.   I just like the name.  Don't even mind Slim Shitty to tell you the truth!!

You little lying bitch.  You're an idiot.  Obviously, you're posting from Canada.  I'm going to guess that because of the reference to Eminem, you are posting from somewhere between Windsor and London.  I know a TON of people from that area and have never seen two bigger morons than you and your daddy, Lice Man.  Stupid fucks.  Calhoun has ripped you a new asshole.  Magna has torn you a new asshole.  You should be tired by now.  Until next time, loveys........... HEIL HITLER!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: The Eye Is Watching on May 09, 2019, 11:48:59 AM
Shame on the race officials for letting this happen.  They all seen what every real race fan had seen.  The first thing they should have done was put up the inquiry sign.  That's what they get paid for and none of them had the balls to do it.  Track conditions were bad and they should have been taken into consideration but they should have put the sign up.  Sometimes you wonder what they are watching.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Iceman on May 10, 2019, 06:49:08 AM
Just finished reading how the West's were denied a full hearing by KHRC and now they are looking at other legal avenues. When reading different readers comments some made compelling points which could blow up in horse racings face with regards to internet betting and if a impartial judge gives a ruling overturning a DQ then the bettors giving proof should be payed. There also was a comment made about the greed of the tracks such as Churchill Downs where they have a field of 20 still precocious colts not fully developed in their 3 year old season and the track sells out the infield to rowdy drunken asses just looking for a wild time so that these horses get hit head on and from both sides turning for home. If the West's are successful in their legal maneuvers and are able to get this infront of a impartial judge the decision could be monumental for all of horse racing. One reader mentioned that no matter what the final outcome the West's will probably get out of horse racing after 40 years and their money will be missed at the sales and for their trainers.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 10, 2019, 10:38:13 AM
Just finished reading how the West's were denied a full hearing by KHRC and now they are looking at other legal avenues. When reading different readers comments some made compelling points which could blow up in horse racings face with regards to internet betting and if a impartial judge gives a ruling overturning a DQ then the bettors giving proof should be payed. There also was a comment made about the greed of the tracks such as Churchill Downs where they have a field of 20 still precocious colts not fully developed in their 3 year old season and the track sells out the infield to rowdy drunken asses just looking for a wild time so that these horses get hit head on and from both sides turning for home. If the West's are successful in their legal maneuvers and are able to get this infront of a impartial judge the decision could be monumental for all of horse racing. One reader mentioned that no matter what the final outcome the West's will probably get out of horse racing after 40 years and their money will be missed at the sales and for their trainers.

yo, yo, Lice Man,

You stupid, attention-starved little punk fuck.  You have NEVER made a compelling argument.  Another useless, nothing post from you.  People have been complaining (it was Gary West this time, fuckface) about the size of the field for a hundred years.  Legal maneuvers?  1000-1 shot.  Maybe a civil rights (due process) action but highly doubtful.  NO administrative remedy possible.  Paying gamblers in the event of a reversal?  Are you that stupid?  Clearing the infield?  No shot.  19 horses had no problem with the sound.  And finally, West getting out of the business?  That would be a loss but if you ask any of the 20 or so trainers he has, Gary is very slow pay and he strings the vets along big time.  They may file something but they better do it quick.  The statute for most racing states is 30 days.   You stupid fuck.  Until next time, darlings......... HEIL HITLER!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 12, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
JOHN FRANK ARMY gonna put a end to this. Been bettin for 34 years. Started out readin all books before I ever made a wager.
The call was right. Everyone complains that STEWARDS did not have INQUIRY.
In me years. And I've bet millions of races. The jock after finisin crossin line raises his whip. He tellin I'M voicing a opjection. 1,000 times they right and corrected. STEWARDS believe and say JOCK is RIGHT. NOUGH SAID.








Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: MagnaballGin on May 12, 2019, 07:40:41 PM
Just finished reading how the West's were denied a full hearing by KHRC and now they are looking at other legal avenues. When reading different readers comments some made compelling points which could blow up in horse racings face with regards to internet betting and if a impartial judge gives a ruling overturning a DQ then the bettors giving proof should be payed. There also was a comment made about the greed of the tracks such as Churchill Downs where they have a field of 20 still precocious colts not fully developed in their 3 year old season and the track sells out the infield to rowdy drunken asses just looking for a wild time so that these horses get hit head on and from both sides turning for home. If the West's are successful in their legal maneuvers and are able to get this infront of a impartial judge the decision could be monumental for all of horse racing. One reader mentioned that no matter what the final outcome the West's will probably get out of horse racing after 40 years and their money will be missed at the sales and for their trainers.

Lice man, never read such a long paragraph with nothing actually being fucking said. Dumb ass bitch!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Fatboy on May 13, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
AND they gave jockey 15 days LMAO!!!!! ngc3
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Zoooooming By! on May 13, 2019, 02:36:55 PM
The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission has suspended Maximum Security jockey Luis Saez for 15 racing days after determining he interfered with other riders in the controversial 2019 Kentucky Derby.
One day after race stewards met with the jockeys involved in the inquiry that led to Maximum Securityís disqualification, the commission announced that Saez will be suspended for 15 racing days.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Zoooooming By! on May 13, 2019, 02:41:09 PM
JOHN FRANK ARMY gonna put a end to this. Been bettin for 34 years. Started out readin all books before I ever made a wager.
The call was right. Everyone complains that STEWARDS did not have INQUIRY.
In me years. And I've bet millions of races. The jock after finisin crossin line raises his whip. He tellin I'M voicing a opjection. 1,000 times they right and corrected. STEWARDS believe and say JOCK is RIGHT. NOUGH SAID.

Agree!! 100% right call.
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on May 13, 2019, 08:59:27 PM
AND they gave jockey 15 days LMAO!!!!! ngc3


Nothing more than a CYA move.  (John Frank Army can explain that for anyone on this worthless forum wondering about that abbreviation.)   15 days would imply that there was some intent on the part of Saez to fuck somebody.   No way.

The sad news is that having dealt with dozens of panels of Stewards over the years, I cannot say that a single one was sufficiently competent and objective to do service to the industry.  Can you imagine a panel consisting of Lice Man, Slim Shitty and Hammer Head?  Until next time, darlings......... .......HEIL HITLER!!

Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: lamantsd on May 14, 2019, 05:16:16 AM
This is a royal screwing Kentucky is giving these connections in more ways than one .. I watched another replay of the entire race the other day and the replay paid particular attention to the first turn of the DERBY. If people think that Max. Security impeded horses around the final turn  ; that first turn I counted FIVE horses that could have been DQ'd . In my eyes a foul is a foul ... for years all you ever heard is about the cavalry charge to the first turn and this is " part of racing".. OK   fine but you can't call part of the race one way and look the other way at the beginning of the race..
Also, it is no secret that Servis 's recent success the last few years has not been favorable to the more " traditional " horse people . Servis 's connection at Monmouth has always been looked upon as him being "mobbed up " and anytime you see anybody connected to NY/NJ the hillbillies down south think one thing ..MAFIA
Lastly..   I understand Saez cannot ride in the Belmont Stakes as well .. maybe my math is wrong but 15 days  should bring the suspension ending May 29.. why screw the jock an opportunity to win some of the money he got jobbed out of the DERBY

THIS ISN'T RIGHT !!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Derby
Post by: JOHN FRANK on May 14, 2019, 03:51:54 PM
Depends on jurisdiction. But,Me thinks is. Jocks schedualed to ride STAKES mounts can ride those mounts. If they listed,they can ride.