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Title: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Mbdreamer on March 18, 2019, 08:15:59 PM
Only 2 horses finished.  Shelter, Krueger, Byron, and Hysell all went down, but Gabe says all horses and riders were up and walking.  Took the judges 40 (yes, 40) minutes to decide the exotics would be 57all and 57 allall.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: dinkadoo on March 18, 2019, 08:28:41 PM
second race finished at 8:28
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: dinkadoo on March 18, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
Dear God - just watched replay


When the lead horse dropped at full speed, and dropped right NOW --- it looked like a bomb went off taking out the field.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Atthetrack7 on March 18, 2019, 08:37:13 PM
Shit happens
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Brown jug on March 18, 2019, 09:00:55 PM
hate to see that but glad all drivers and horses appear okay
cant believe the driver of #2 is unhurt, he went airborne and must have hit hard
on a less important note should that race not have been declared no contest
clearly the drivers on the 5 and 7 were concerned about lose horses etc
clearly the driver of the 7 was not working his horse in the lane , in fact seemed to have a tight hold on him
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:05:03 PM
Pompano screwed my friend I thought he was joking but as it turns out he wasn’t. How can you payout for horses that don’t finish a race and go down in the race which had a wreck. 6th place horse only 6 in it cause the wreck and returned 2.10 to show. Something very crooked just happened. You can’t declate a contest with only two finishers let alone payout shoe tickets to 4 i repeat 4 horses who went down in the wreck
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:06:04 PM
It’s not fishy to any of you all that 2 horses finish and they payout
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: titans1127 on March 18, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
Pompano screwed my friend I thought he was joking but as it turns out he wasn’t. How can you payout for horses that don’t finish a race and go down in the race which had a wreck. 6th place horse only 6 in it cause the wreck and returned 2.10 to show. Something very crooked just happened. You can’t declate a contest with only two finishers let alone payout shoe tickets to 4 i repeat 4 horses who went down in the wreck
They paid out only to the 2 horses that finished and the exacta.  Pretty sure declaring a no contest and refunding all bets is at the judges discretion and the horses that get paid out are part of the rule book.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:37:29 PM
You must not read the rules
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: titans1127 on March 18, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
You must not read the rules
The official chart on the USTA site shows it that way so that’s what I’m going off of.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on March 18, 2019, 09:47:36 PM
you are correct titans
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:52:53 PM
So a judge can rule all horses can be declared raced
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:53:50 PM
Keep in mind 4 horses went down and all paid show prices of 2.10 and everybody hit the tri that had 57 or 75 whatever it was
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 18, 2019, 09:54:17 PM
you are correct titans
Show me lmao
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Mbdreamer on March 18, 2019, 10:13:35 PM
Gigi looked very sharp tonight Hurricane!
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Equus Caballus on March 18, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
Thanks.
Mike said she needed last week off, and he was right.

 tmbz1

Nice to see the big girl win!
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 18, 2019, 11:09:30 PM
Was in the Paddock when the accident occurred

Matt Krueger taken to the hospital with facial cuts and holding his wrist

Second time Open Skies has fallen during a race this meet

Owner says this was her last race
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on March 18, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
  That was ugly
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 18, 2019, 11:37:06 PM
Worse than ugly

Latest update is that Krueger has a broken elbow, broken shoulder, and a punctured lung
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: pccwsc2 on March 18, 2019, 11:44:16 PM
No ifs and or buts
SHOULD BE DECLARED A NO CONTEST
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 18, 2019, 11:49:28 PM
If 2 horses finish, it can"t be a no contest

The rest of the equation is beyond my pay grade
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on March 19, 2019, 12:35:35 AM
Let me guess: James Hysell caused the accident?
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Wilderness Don on March 19, 2019, 06:11:29 AM
 ALWAYS NICE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE RAT BASTARD CHEATIN MOTHERFUCKIN DRIVERS GET INTO A WRECK.  WE NEED MORE OF THOSE TO PUT FOLKS IN THE STANDS
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 19, 2019, 06:46:21 AM
Don't blame Hysell

Horse went down like she was shot

Second time this meet
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: TWOGOLDTEEFS on March 19, 2019, 07:46:16 AM
Don't blame Hysell

Horse went down like she was shot

Second time this meet

   Dont blame him one bit. But he did look foolish gettin freight trained by the 5 and now he wants to reach up and hit his horse.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Zoooooming By! on March 19, 2019, 12:26:20 PM
A spill in Monday night’s first race at Pompano Park sent driver Matt Krueger to the hospital and resulted in toteboard overload. Although only two horses eventually finished the race after the accident approaching the three-quarters, the race was not declared “no contest” as the track stewards placed all four non-finishers as if they dead-heated for show.

The accident occurred when pacesetter Open Skies, driven by James Hysell, suddenly fell as betting favorite Watchwhatmyfeetdo (Andy Santeramo) and Gemalous (Mike Simons) began to move up on the outside. When Open Skies fell, Follow The Dream (Andy Shetler), Persephonie (Krueger) and De Valeria (Aaron Byron) were directly behind and were unable to avoid contact. Krueger was the only driver to be transported to a local hospital for his injuries.

Krueger, who also works as an assistant to trainer Tony Alagna, suffered a fractured shoulder and elbow that will require surgery, as well as a punctured lung, according to a Facebook posting by his girlfriend Dani Copeland. She also posted that Krueger was awake and alert.

 This was the second time this year that Open Skies has fallen during a race at Pompano Park. On Jan. 21, Open Skies was on the outside at the back of the field at the three-quarters when she went down.

 As the 3-5 betting favorite, Watchwhatmyfeetdo returned $3.20 to win and $2.60 to place, while Gemalous returned $7.80 to place. All seven horses returned $2.10 to show.

Also, all possible trifecta combinations 5-7-1, 5-7-2, 5-7-3 and 5-7-4 were paid, as were all 12 possible superfecta combinations. The total pool of the race was $1,217, and with all tickets paid, it left a total minus pool of $60, according to track announcer Gabe Prewitt.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: the master on March 19, 2019, 05:49:43 PM
Looks like they did something to please the crowd! Instead of giving everyone their money back, big deal, if you bet it you certainly were prepared to lose it, they allowed a lot of people to cash by paying off lots of combinations! I hope they could afford the $60 minus pool! And incidentally, the lead horse caused the problem and should have been dqed and no payoffs with her. Interesting that they payed a mutual involving horses that didn't finish! Maybe unprecedented in racing!
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: John Esposito on March 19, 2019, 07:20:35 PM
TIP OF THE HAT TO POMPANO HAT FOR PAYING OF ON THE ALL ON THE RACE EVEN THO IT COST THEM A FEW BUCKS  tmbz1
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Pacers69 on March 19, 2019, 08:47:51 PM
How much did it cost?
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Mbdreamer on March 19, 2019, 08:53:23 PM
How much did it cost?
$60!
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Powerful Patricks Ghost on March 20, 2019, 05:14:48 AM
Don't blame Hysell

Horse went down like she was shot

Second time this meet

Perhaps but in the few chances I've gotten to witness his driving 'skills' he looked dangerous. That track is loaded with guys who have aged out of competition. It's just a reality that reaction times slow with age. That can be far after age 50 but even then you're just naturally not going to, on average, have as good of a reaction time as someone younger. Sure experience can overcome that negative, but these guys down there lack that as well.  *Forgive me if I'm wrong about Hysell and he had a storied racing career. Never seen the guy outside of Pompano in the last 10-15 years?
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: dinkadoo on March 20, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
A spill in Monday night’s first race at Pompano Park sent driver Matt Krueger to the hospital and resulted in toteboard overload. Although only two horses eventually finished the race after the accident approaching the three-quarters, the race was not declared “no contest” as the track stewards placed all four non-finishers as if they dead-heated for show.

The accident occurred when pacesetter Open Skies, driven by James Hysell, suddenly fell as betting favorite Watchwhatmyfeetdo (Andy Santeramo) and Gemalous (Mike Simons) began to move up on the outside. When Open Skies fell, Follow The Dream (Andy Shetler), Persephonie (Krueger) and De Valeria (Aaron Byron) were directly behind and were unable to avoid contact. Krueger was the only driver to be transported to a local hospital for his injuries.

Krueger, who also works as an assistant to trainer Tony Alagna, suffered a fractured shoulder and elbow that will require surgery, as well as a punctured lung, according to a Facebook posting by his girlfriend Dani Copeland. She also posted that Krueger was awake and alert.

 This was the second time this year that Open Skies has fallen during a race at Pompano Park. On Jan. 21, Open Skies was on the outside at the back of the field at the three-quarters when she went down.

 As the 3-5 betting favorite, Watchwhatmyfeetdo returned $3.20 to win and $2.60 to place, while Gemalous returned $7.80 to place. All seven horses returned $2.10 to show.

Also, all possible trifecta combinations 5-7-1, 5-7-2, 5-7-3 and 5-7-4 were paid, as were all 12 possible superfecta combinations. The total pool of the race was $1,217, and with all tickets paid, it left a total minus pool of $60, according to track announcer Gabe Prewitt.
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 20, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
You won't see her name entered again
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: Atthetrack7 on March 20, 2019, 08:57:11 PM
Hope all you assholes get a family member raped by a MS13 gang member

$2 Exacta 5-7 38.20
$1 Trifecta 5-7-1 11.40
$1 Trifecta 5-7-2 40.00
$1 Trifecta 5-7-3 29.90
$1 Trifecta 5-7-4 15.30
$1 Superfecta 5-7-1-2 20.20
$1 Superfecta 5-7-1-3 13.30
$1 Superfecta 5-7-1-4 6.60
$1 Superfecta 5-7-2-1 54.90
$1 Superfecta 5-7-2-3 64.00
$1 Superfecta 5-7-2-4 47.10
$1 Superfecta 5-7-3-1 29.90
$1 Superfecta 5-7-3-2 42.50
$1 Superfecta 5-7-3-4 32.60
$1 Superfecta 5-7-4-1 7.40
$1 Superfecta 5-7-4-2 26.80
$1 Superfecta 5-7-4-3 16.90


Scratched:Highly Spirited
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: CaliRacer on March 21, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
It would be interesting to see how they allocate purse money.
Only the 2 horses that finished the race should collect.
And do they get 50% and 25% or 66.7% and 33.3%?

They should pay 50% to 1st, 25% to 2nd, and split 25% between the other starters
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: heyref on March 21, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
To get purse money you must cross the finish line
Title: Re: Bad ax R1 Ppk
Post by: the master on March 21, 2019, 04:24:42 PM
The offending horse should get nothing!
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