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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LUCPARK on February 12, 2019, 08:03:34 PM
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IS THIS TRU,
SO SAYS HARNESS RACING UPDATE
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IS THIS TRU,
SO SAYS HARNESS RACING UPDATE
WOW
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I JUST GOT THIS,,
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WHILE I WAS DRIVING IN SNOW STORM,,
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WOW,,OPENING BID 500K,,
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Word is Brad Grant and Michelle Crawford are forcing the sale. Back door deal to get horse eligible to race at Gural tracks. Scumbags!
This makes sense. But how good will she be without the M&M's? ngc3
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Word is Brad Grant and Michelle Crawford are forcing the sale. Back door deal to get horse eligible to race at Gural tracks. Scumbags!
mybe they shouldnt give all the horses they own to scumbag trainers 11.mq 11.bz
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This makes sense. But how good will she be without the M&M's? ngc3
ngc3
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Word is Brad Grant and Michelle Crawford are forcing the sale. Back door deal to get horse eligible to race at Gural tracks. Scumbags!
WHY WOULD THE HORSE NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RACE AT HIS TRACK?
HORSE NEVER HAD A POSITIVE TEST
TRAINER NABBED WITH FAKE LABELS ON MEDICATION IS THE WORD ON THE STREET
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so much for the mushy feel good storey in the hambo winners circle
and yes crawford will buy her
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WHY WOULD THE HORSE NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RACE AT HIS TRACK?
HORSE NEVER HAD A POSITIVE TEST
TRAINER NABBED WITH FAKE LABELS ON MEDICATION IS THE WORD ON THE STREET
Good question
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IMO that Hambo should have an asterisk.
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IMO that Hambo should have an asterisk.
why?
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IMO that Hambo should have an asterisk.
In my opinion you are an asshole. Atlanta did nothing wrong. She never tested positive. In fact, Rick Zeron did not have a positive either. The issue deals only with improper labels on Gastrogard.
She is a great filly, and the new owners are lucky to get her
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In my opinion you are an asshole. Atlanta did nothing wrong. She never tested positive. In fact, Rick Zeron did not have a positive either. The issue deals only with improper labels on Gastrogard.
She is a great filly, and the new owners are lucky to get her
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Looks like Howie gave it to MuffledAgain pretty good. Now he has to figure out a way to give it to his heeeeeb brother, Jewffrey, too. Da Fuhrer spanked Howie pretty good the last few years. I'm pulling for Howie but doesn't look like he's got the matzos to handle the Swamp Heeb. Until next time, darlings......... ....HEIL HITLER!!
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In my opinion you are an asshole. Atlanta did nothing wrong. She never tested positive. In fact, Rick Zeron did not have a positive either. The issue deals only with improper labels on Gastrogard.
She is a great filly, and the new owners are lucky to get her
HT. CLASSIC tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
I'm crying
In my opinion your an ASSHOLE ..
DONT FUCK WITH ..HT. BOYS
CAPISCE tmbz1
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If as HT claims that it's all about improper labels on Gastrogard and not a positive then why has nothing been made public. Guilty or not in any suspension by AGCO the details should be made public and not hide behind rule book numbers that the public does not know. Other than the Ron Adams suspension the Zeron suspension are the two biggest in Ontario in recent memory, you would think others would be put on the back burner.
It's interesting to note also the suddenly everyone knows it was just Gastroguard.
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Could be selling as a broodmare prospect......... .....I think she had too many hot suppers ngc3
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Selling as a racehorse. Much more valuable, with residual value as a broodmare. I don't understand why ORC isn't more forthcoming, why they hammered him, and why they waited so long for a June incident
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Selling as a racehorse. Much more valuable, with residual value as a broodmare. I don't understand why ORC isn't more forthcoming, why they hammered him, and why they waited so long for a June incident
ORC has a dossier 10 inches thick on Ricky. Perhaps they have had enough now under AGCO. Not the first time he has been caught with unmarked medications, was on Sandy DiFlorios hard drive of clients that got swept under the rug bc it was gonna bring down the biggest names. Taking horses to a certain farm to get preraced, and his name appeared on a list Randy Rankin provided (somehow was getting confidential information before it was released) who eventually was murdered (connected to something unrelated to horse racing).
So just like Al Capone who wasnt convicted of racketerinng, murder, or bootlegging, he was charged with tax evasion.
Maybe the powers that be are singing a new tune, if we cant get you on this then we will get you on that.
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don't let the news fool you
Randy's murder was 100% horse racing related
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It appears a couple of race track operators have decided upon the, If you cant beat them, have them banded, approach to the racing game.
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don't let the news fool you
Randy's murder was 100% horse racing related
I think so too but cannot conclusively say so. Side note I was communicating with Randy a few hours before he was shot.
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Sure the Swedes will be all in on this, can buy her cheaper then the original owners. I'm sure she will get run up until current owners think they received full value.
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at 750k
now
two days to go,
1.6 million my guess
real bidding starts last hr of sale day
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accordin to 99 percent of the dickheads on this worthless forum
WHEN THEY WIN THEY JUICED WHEN THEY LOSE THEY RATS..
,,CAN U EXPLANE IT OTHERWISE TO ME,,
IM CONFUSED,,
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at 750k
now
two days to go,
1.6 million my guess
real bidding starts last hr of sale day
Any chance you are bidding ? Get a syndicate together
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Any chance you are bidding ? Get a syndicate together
He doesn't need a syndicate.
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He doesn't need a syndicate.
true, but one mis step and you got a million dollars of Hamburg that no one is buying
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He doesn't need a syndicate.
HE WAS ALL IN AT 700K
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In my opinion you are an asshole. Atlanta did nothing wrong. She never tested positive. In fact, Rick Zeron did not have a positive either. The issue deals only with improper labels on Gastrogard.
She is a great filly, and the new owners are lucky to get her
IMO you should be the first owner banned for life. You must sleep well using every cheat.
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Mislabeling gastrogard huh??? Get the fuck out of here! You have and continue to contribute to the cesspool that racing has become!
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Agree TT mislabel of gastrogard. ngc3 Wasn't the explanation unlabeled bottles? Gastrogard are in syringe tubes with its name plastered all Over? But I'm not a vet or trainer but there are photos all over the internet. Gastrogard so is this the defense?
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Agree TT mislabel of gastrogard. ngc3 Wasn't the explanation unlabeled bottles? Gastrogard are in syringe tubes with its name plastered all Over? But I'm not a vet or trainer but there are photos all over the internet. Gastrogard so is this the defense?
One would suspect that, in this instance anyways, that ANY defense is better than the truth.
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Anyone who thinks Zeron got six months and a big fine for MISLABELLING GASTROGARD, is either blind or outright lying. There's a lot more to this story, but unfortunately the truth will probably never come out. If this was true (and it is not) Zeron would have came out firing, went to the press etc. Instead he has went away, appealed and hopes they will let him race all stakes season and reduce it to 60 days come November.
The real joke here is the so called rules emforcers in Ontario. Someone needs to grow a set of balls & fine these people massive amounts of money, with lengthy suspensions. If the rules breakers appeal, it should be heard within 30 days & if the appeal is lost, mandatory doubled fines and suspensions!!!
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More drama than 7th grade girls
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CURRENT BID
1 MILLION
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That's Zeron hitting the bid ever 10 minutes and no reason to stop.
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/2-13-19/connections-discuss-atlanta-dispute.html
Excellent read for the ploppers....
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/2-13-19/connections-discuss-atlanta-dispute.html
Excellent read for the ploppers....
Thank you.
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HT AND CO STAY IN? 1.2M GONNA BE ENOUGH?
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1 million for a Draino Dam, someone is gullible.
TIM # 1
NO NEED FOR THIS,,YOU NO BETTER
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HT AND CO STAY IN? 1.2M GONNA BE ENOUGH?
WILL GO TO SWEDEN AFTER 1.5
I PREDICT
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Id like to get the tack shop girls opinion please.
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Maybe they can ask Hugh Mitchell and see if Slick Rick still bettin on horses offshore. He can liquidate that account to pay for her.
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After reading the SC article I come away with that kink in my neck that tells me something sounds fishy. The partnership has Alagna take the horse and then Zeron goes and picks the horse up and takes it back. I can't wait till the smoke clears on this one.
SEEN 'EM FIGHT OVER 10 CLAIMERS SAME WAY
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What’s on fair commission?
They gotta wave it or else the owners are nuts
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Rick zeron just lost all his owners on that write up I read
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i think its just a scam to get around suspension
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Scotty must be proud..or worried.
HEY BKN HEADPOLE
..whats this about Ricks offshore account...whats the scoop? And how do you know?
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Rick would have gone ZORRO on Tony if he tried to stop him!! 73cv.2 73cv.2 (He used to do that shit in the winners circle with his whip. I don't know if he still does it)
Hey, Howie, how do you NOT go and get a court order to get the mare moved? Did Rickie have management control over and above his 5%? Or how do you not ask the stewards to set an immediate hearing and get her back? Please let the plopsters on this worthless forum know. Shalom.
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/2-13-19/connections-discuss-atlanta-dispute.html
Excellent read for the ploppers....
Great read, thanks Rabbit
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Great read, thanks Rabbit
I was being facetious. Would Hughie do anything to upset the applecart?
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Believe Ongait is 3% and why wave it? There have been many of partner disputes and when they run them through Harrisburg or Lexington with fees to the sale, catalog, and consignment. So if they buy the horse back they only payout the 5% to Zeron and 3% to Ongait. Horse goes for 1.5m they lose 45k off the top. If they truly believe in the horse it's a no brainer putting the horse on Ongait. The 5% owner values the horse at 4m. Other owners say pound sand we will find the value. If things get nutty and horse goes way over value then owners walk away with a lot of cash. In a no lose situation and we see this every year when owners can't agree.
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taylor,
IMO a historically bad drive by Ake on Six Pack in the Hambo Elimination got Atlanta the win in the final. Terrific filly, but I’m of the opinion that Six Pack was, and is the better racehorse. And the only thing that beat him was Ake’s drive.
Does the best horse win the Hambo every year? Of course not. History is full of upsets on the track for a variety of reasons too numerous to count. Some are because a horse doesn’t perform well that day. Some are because a horse gets a great drive/trip, etc, etc. But never have I witnessed, IMO, such a buffoonery driving job on the M/L favorite to win the Hambo. Perhaps you can point me to a worse drive on a favorite to win the Hambo. I’d be interested in seeing it. And I’d suggest an asterisk on that one too, but I’d be surprised if one can find a drive that bad.
Not many comparisons as to which horse may have been better, but I’ll rest my opinion on this one:
Kentucky Futurity Final : Six Pack 54.4 to the half, 54.2 last half, third quarter in 26.3, last quarter in 27.4. Final time 1:49.1
Kentucky Futurity Final: Atlanta 56.1 to the half, 55.0 last half, third quarter in 28.2, last quarter in 26.3. Final time 151:1
Six Pack’s last half in 54.2 after a taxing 54.4 first half , IMO, was the better of these two races.
I’m not saying Six Pack is 10 lengths better, that would be absurd, but I do believe if the two were to have met that day ( and for that matter Hambo day) Six Pack would have been a length or two victor.
I’ll also throw in Six Pack’s 150.0 Stanley Dancer tune up for the Hambo
You, I imagine, are of the opinion that Atlanta was the best 3 year old (filly or colt) last year. Any owner would think that, especially when , in the premier race of the year, they win it.
As to your opinion of me being an asshole, you’re welcome to that It does seem a bit below a man of your stature, but I’ll chalk it up to you being under a bit of pressure about maybe losing a horse you rightfully love. I didn’t create that issue for you, a partner of yours may have. I’d suggest any venom you have directed at me be directed elsewhere.
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Shuffle, are they really that much at risk losing the Horse? They only need to payout 5% to Zeron. Then 3% commission unless they made some deal with Ongait. May be Eric was nice to do a freebie who knows. They aren't at much risk unless shit gets out of hand and they walk at a price they are happy with. My guess the other three owners with 95% are on the same page.
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You have to be absolutely blind to think 180 days was given over mislabeled Gastrogurd. How do you even mis label it in the first place? What did they find when it was tested? I'm guessing omeprazol? LOL
Maybe the shock machine is more in play than the mislabeled bottles.?
The shock machine brings a different meaning to the term ..being lit up....
Seems I remember one of those machines being found in the stable where the winner of some big races came out of ??
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taylor,
IMO a historically bad drive by Ake on Six Pack in the Hambo Elimination got Atlanta the win in the final. Terrific filly, but I’m of the opinion that Six Pack was, and is the better racehorse. And the only thing that beat him was Ake’s drive.
Does the best horse win the Hambo every year? Of course not. History is full of upsets on the track for a variety of reasons too numerous to count. Some are because a horse doesn’t perform well that day. Some are because a horse gets a great drive/trip, etc, etc. But never have I witnessed, IMO, such a buffoonery driving job on the M/L favorite to win the Hambo. Perhaps you can point me to a worse drive on a favorite to win the Hambo. I’d be interested in seeing it. And I’d suggest an asterisk on that one too, but I’d be surprised if one can find a drive that bad.
Not many comparisons as to which horse may have been better, but I’ll rest my opinion on this one:
Kentucky Futurity Final : Six Pack 54.4 to the half, 54.2 last half, third quarter in 26.3, last quarter in 27.4. Final time 1:49.1
Kentucky Futurity Final: Atlanta 56.1 to the half, 55.0 last half, third quarter in 28.2, last quarter in 26.3. Final time 151:1
Six Pack’s last half in 54.2 after a taxing 54.4 first half , IMO, was the better of these two races.
I’m not saying Six Pack is 10 lengths better, that would be absurd, but I do believe if the two were to have met that day ( and for that matter Hambo day) Six Pack would have been a length or two victor.
I’ll also throw in Six Pack’s 150.0 Stanley Dancer tune up for the Hambo
You, I imagine, are of the opinion that Atlanta was the best 3 year old (filly or colt) last year. Any owner would think that, especially when , in the premier race of the year, they win it.
As to your opinion of me being an asshole, you’re welcome to that It does seem a bit below a man of your stature, but I’ll chalk it up to you being under a bit of pressure about maybe losing a horse you rightfully love. I didn’t create that issue for you, a partner of yours may have. I’d suggest any venom you have directed at me be directed elsewhere.
taylor was right.
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My point being all the publicity ongait is getting because of this
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They don’t need to find a seller on there they can have their own auction or take private bids while saving the 4% which is 1% less than zeron gets
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IMHO--all the owners of Atlanta including Rick Zeron--got screwed by the ORC.
Atlanta is a great filly,right alongside the best there has ever been in this County.Her speed in the Hambletonian was awesome to watch-gave me goosebumps.
The system of "guilty when charged-and you have to prove your innocence"-goes beyond anything in the USA Constitution or Society-and is what is causing terrible situations to occur-even by the elite in the Sport--system is rotten to the core.
It should rightfully be "innocent until proven guilty".
We now have a situation where GURAL-would not allow RicK Zeron to race at his tracks--even BEFORE he has had a chance to prove his innocence-or explain the findings.
Apparently being under appeal and allowed to race at Gural tracks-only applies when Gural picks his trainers. Rick Zeron is not one of these select people.
Changing the Commissions standings of Guilty when charged would prevent Gural acting like he does-and also Rick Zeron appearing to be a total ahole.
I can understand somewhat Rick Zerons actions--he made Atlanta-took her to dizzying highs-and loves her. He possibly also feels he has been screwed by the ORC and does not want these group of total dickheads-ruining what he/owners has with his wonder mare.
Its all very sad-and I really wish some high powered Lawyer takes on these Commissions and takes away this ridiculous authority they have of being guilty before allowed to have your chance to prove innocence..
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AS THE JEWISH TRACK OWNER SAYS
"IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM, BAND THEM"
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Only filly to win the Hambo??
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Only filly to win the Hambo??
In the last twenty two yrs
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I hope the unmarked gastrogard comes with her!!!
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Anyone in this thread defending Zeron, doesn't really know Zeron.
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Crazy situation
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mybe they shouldnt give all the horses they own to scumbag trainers 11.mq 11.bz
howard taylor only employs scumbag trainers
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IMHO--all the owners of Atlanta including Rick Zeron--got screwed by the ORC.
Atlanta is a great filly,right alongside the best there has ever been in this County.Her speed in the Hambletonian was awesome to watch-gave me goosebumps.
The system of "guilty when charged-and you have to prove your innocence"-goes beyond anything in the USA Constitution or Society-and is what is causing terrible situations to occur-even by the elite in the Sport--system is rotten to the core.
It should rightfully be "innocent until proven guilty".
We now have a situation where GURAL-would not allow RicK Zeron to race at his tracks--even BEFORE he has had a chance to prove his innocence-or explain the findings.
Apparently being under appeal and allowed to race at Gural tracks-only applies when Gural picks his trainers. Rick Zeron is not one of these select people.
Changing the Commissions standings of Guilty when charged would prevent Gural acting like he does-and also Rick Zeron appearing to be a total ahole.
I can understand somewhat Rick Zerons actions--he made Atlanta-took her to dizzying highs-and loves her. He possibly also feels he has been screwed by the ORC and does not want these group of total dickheads-ruining what he/owners has with his wonder mare.
Its all very sad-and I really wish some high powered Lawyer takes on these Commissions and takes away this ridiculous authority they have of being guilty before allowed to have your chance to prove innocence..
Sorry but they have had the goods on him several times before but decided saving face to the industry and not have the scandals hit the paper as well as WEG crying about what they would do to the horse population were more important than wanting to protect the integrity of the game.
The protection of certain individuals were paramount bc some had SC directors as owners. Copies of cheques, files on hard drives showing who bought what and when are some of the evidence they had but decided not to proceed.
Rabbit is right, the ORC/AGCO is an incompetent organization that has only one agenda, their own paycheck. An old boys mentalit whose motto is Don't Rock The Boat.
Anyways, I hope Crawfords retain her and likely absorb the increased ownership and keep the other partners involved. I'm not sure if they negotiated breeding rights when they bought in but at least they will do right by her.
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In my opinion you are an asshole. Atlanta did nothing wrong. She never tested positive. In fact, Rick Zeron did not have a positive either. The issue deals only with improper labels on Gastrogard.
She is a great filly, and the new owners are lucky to get her
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You cried after Lady Shadow, a $2Mil winner at the time got banned after testing positive.
You got the horse barred because you made the choice to have her illegally injected.
Now you are crying because "Atlanta did nothing wrong." You made the choice to leve her with Zeron after he got suspended for illegal drug violations.
Do you understand how stupid you look?
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You should be ashamed of yourself.
You cried after Lady Shadow, a $2Mil winner at the time got banned after testing positive.
You got the horse barred because you made the choice to have her illegally injected.
Now you are crying because "Atlanta did nothing wrong." You made the choice to leve her with Zeron after he got suspended for illegal drug violations.
Do you understand how stupid you look?
CALHOUND I GOTTA STOP THE BUS HERE...DID HOWIE REALLY MAKE THE CHOICE TO HAVE HER INJECTED? COME ON NEGRO...YOU KNOW THIS ISNT CORRECT...ZERON CLAN IS THE GUILTY PARTY TO ANY VET WORK DONE...HE JUST PAYS THE BILLS. EVER HEAR OF TRAINER RESPONSIBILITY? NEGRO PLEASE....
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Sorry but they have had the goods on him several times before but decided saving face to the industry and not have the scandals hit the paper as well as WEG crying about what they would do to the horse population were more important than wanting to protect the integrity of the game.
The protection of certain individuals were paramount bc some had SC directors as owners. Copies of cheques, files on hard drives showing who bought what and when are some of the evidence they had but decided not to proceed.
Rabbit is right, the ORC/AGCO is an incompetent organization that has only one agenda, their own paycheck. An old boys mentalit whose motto is Don't Rock The Boat.
Anyways, I hope Crawfords retain her and likely absorb the increased ownership and keep the other partners involved. I'm not sure if they negotiated breeding rights when they bought in but at least they will do right by her.
you mean give her to chrissy oakes like the rest of their horses? 11.mq some1 needs to inform these do gooders they only employ chemical based trainers
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CALHOUND I GOTTA STOP THE BUS HERE...DID HOWIE REALLY MAKE THE CHOICE TO HAVE HER INJECTED? COME ON NEGRO...YOU KNOW THIS ISNT CORRECT...ZERON CLAN IS THE GUILTY PARTY TO ANY VET WORK DONE...HE JUST PAYS THE BILLS. EVER HEAR OF TRAINER RESPONSIBILITY? NEGRO PLEASE....
Bad choice of words.
That said, you put a horse with a guy like Zeron, you are signing off on anything and everything he does.
Just like Taylor did with Adams and Lady Shadow.
And then cry victim when something goes wrong?
Sorry, doesn't work with me.
Trainer responsibility yes. All for it.
I am also for Owner responsibility.
At least don't cry like Fucking Fantine when something goes wrong.
Just a shame a guy like Taylor is gifted with these fabulous horses.
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Bad choice of words.
That said, you put a horse with a guy like Zeron, you are signing off on anything and everything he does.
Just like Taylor did with Adams and Lady Shadow.
And then cry victim when something goes wrong?
Sorry, doesn't work with me.
Trainer responsibility yes. All for it.
I am also for Owner responsibility.
At least don't cry like Fucking Fantine when something goes wrong.
Just a shame a guy like Taylor is gifted with these fabulous horses.
Points well taken here....As a pal, I ask you now: Would you rather have a known juicer that wins a ton or an honest guy that starves you to death? I WANT EVERY CHANCE I CAN GET TO WIN...THEY AINT PETS, AND I DONT BELONG TO PETA EITHER. IF I MAKE A PET OUT OF ONE, HE BELONGS IN MY PASTURES, NOT MY SHED. Can we get an amen here Bro?
IF I HIRE YOU TO DO A JOB, SPARE ME THE DETAILS AND JUST GET IT DONE tmbz1.
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Points well taken here....As a pal, I ask you now: Would you rather have a known juicer that wins a ton or an honest guy that starves you to death? I WANT EVERY CHANCE I CAN GET TO WIN...THEY AINT PETS, AND I DONT BELONG TO PETA EITHER. IF I MAKE A PET OUT OF ONE, HE BELONGS IN MY PASTURES, NOT MY SHED. Can we get an amen here Bro?
IF I HIRE YOU TO DO A JOB, SPARE ME THE DETAILS AND JUST GET IT DONE tmbz1.
Amen,
But you get on TV and shit.
You win awards and shit.
You get to drop the mic on Hambo Day.
The Binary Choice You Want Me To Answer?
Answer: take the risk, hire the cheat and what happens happens.
but But BUT
Don't ever cry when you go down.
And never rat on your friends.
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Amen,
But you get on TV and shit.
You win awards and shit.
You get to drop the mic on Hambo Day.
The Binary Choice You Want Me To Answer?
Answer: take the risk, hire the cheat and what happens happens.
but But BUT
Don't ever cry when you go down.
And never rat on your friends.
YOU TALKIN GOSPEL NOW BROTHER
YOU BLAX ARE OK IN CERTAIN AREAS tmbz1
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I just hope they start bidding a thousand every two minutes for 24 hours
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AT 1.5 ENDS IN 3 HRS..
2.1 MY GUESS.
THEY BUY HER BACK,,
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Good luck to Mr Taylor and the group and hope they get what they think the mare is worth.
The sport needs more folks like Howard Taylor to protect horsemen from Nazi like track owner/operators like Jeff Gural and Clay Horner
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AT 1.5 ENDS IN 3 HRS..
2.1 MY GUESS.
THEY BUY HER BACK,,
Under
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I have a gut feeling her next trainer with be Svandstedt. She'll race here and the Elitelop. He'll have her trotting in 48
Magician was better
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Sweden and Europe has been buying and taking away America bloodlines building European racing for decades to come. Once the money dries up in the US when casinos say enough is enough the Swedes will just head back home with a thriving harness product. The US will be a few on a shorten GC and then fair racing. As far as a 3.0mln price tag it's up to the group to pay Zeron 150k and Ongait 120k and keep their mare. Or cash out at 95%. There could be 1 wild card what if...Ernie Martinez puts together a group and bids 3.1mln. Then can't pay within a few days. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I'm thinking not Sweden but France. A guy like dubouis who owns most of the major French stallions is my pick
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10 mins to go...Watch out for the snipers
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at 750k
now
two days to go,
1.6 million my guess
................. ................. ................. ................. .................
real bidding starts last hr of sale day
Sold to Michelle Crawford $1.55 mill
HOW GOOD IS LUC PARK,,
tmbz1 tmbz1
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There you go a whole lot of nothing. A simple dissolve of a partnership. No fireworks and seem like little interest at this level.
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Herb, same ownership group minus Zeron.
Holland out
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So, Zeron rejected 50k for his 5%, and now gets about 27k more than that. The question is whether, suspension or not, he has blackballed himself from the ring of wealthy owners who can afford high priced yearlings and racehorses.
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ZERON GETS ABOUT 75K,EUROPEAN INTEREST WOULD BE LIMITED CAUSE SHE WEARS TROTTING HOBBLES. MARGINAL PEDIGREE,ANOTHER MICHELLE CRAWFORD LOOK AT ME MOVE. GONNA BE HARD TO MAKE THAT MONEY BACK ON THE RACE TRACK OR THE BREEDING SHED.
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Remember, Zeron WANTED 220k ngc3
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Remember, Zeron WANTED 220k ngc3
what did he sell the 20 percent for originally..
im guseeing 150k,,
100 for sure,,
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zeron kept his share they simply skirted the issue of racing at jefferies tracks
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ZERON GETS ABOUT 75K,EUROPEAN INTEREST WOULD BE LIMITED CAUSE SHE WEARS TROTTING HOBBLES. MARGINAL PEDIGREE,ANOTHER MICHELLE CRAWFORD LOOK AT ME MOVE. GONNA BE HARD TO MAKE THAT MONEY BACK ON THE RACE TRACK OR THE BREEDING SHED.
Best observation posted imo. tmbz1
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HOW GOOD IS LUC PARK,,
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Forget the 2.1 you said 10 min before
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Forget the 2.1 you said 10 min before
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Forget the 2.1 you said 10 min before
FORGET THAT 17K FOR THAT RAT tmbz1 tmbz1
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FORGET THAT 17K FOR THAT RAT tmbz1 tmbz1
Stay jelly
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Didnt duenna win the hambo as a filly?
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When i read the article about the ' abused ' owners i almost threw up, really ?? lets look at this Ny bred filly purchased pretty cheaply WINS THE HAMBO and now all of a sudden the owners are abused !! lets look at this Crawford bought in just prior to the hambo- Who knows what bonus she gave Zeron !!! , Now they are all crying integrity--- Please - Lets See Crawfords go to guy is Oakes - say no more, Grant uses Moreau and Gassie ( the JUG retention ' treatment' was the biggest black eye in the history of standardbred racing !! ) and Welll Howie- he trades training for legal fees for some VERY questionable trainers--- Ron Adams just for example... so they go all high and mighty ! i do not understand this , is it hypocritical or what ? The whole Zeron issue mess is just that, Ready Fire aim , Gural and Clay Horner .... is Zeron a poster child for clean ? NO but the crap around this Not right.. What really bugs me is this hurts Atlantas reputation !!
In my opinion it will be very difficult for her as a 4 year old, firstly the Colts get bigger and stronger, she is not Huge, its going to be tough, there are lots of good open mares. i have not read one post where these abused owners acted appreciative of what ' team zeron' did for them !!! time will tell Who will train ? taylor ? rant complete
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Well at least Scott is still proud of his dad........I think.
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back to an earlier comment
"zeron sold his 20% to crawford farms for $100-$150 k"
seriously ???!!
not even close, remember she had some huge purses coming up after the sale date
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back to an earlier comment
"zeron sold his 20% to crawford farms for $100-$150 k"
seriously ???!!
not even close, remember she had some huge purses coming up after the sale date
$300,000 plus some sort of breeding rights. I’ll bet at 1:01 pm yesterday she was out of the Zeron stable..
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PARKED WHAT BREEDING RIGHTS WOULD ZERON BE ENTITLED TOO? HISTORICALLY GOOD RACE MARES ARE SELDOM GOOD BROODMARES.
I'D LOVE TO SEE WHO BID ON THIS HORSE,I'D BE SURPRISED IF MORE THEN A COUPLE OF THE BIDS WERE FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE
ORIGINAL OWNERS. I WISH THEM LUCK,BUT IT'S GOING TO TOUGH SLEDDING TO MAKE THAT MONEY BACK. MUCH BETTER MARES THEN
HER HAVE BEEN A BUST AS BROODMARES, AND BEFORE THE POST'S ABOUT THE HAMBO IF AKE KNEW HOW TO DRIVE THE RESULTS
WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IN MY OPINION.
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And nice warm weather @ Zeron's stable @ Sunshine Meadows in South Florida too!
carrots?
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carrots?
LOTS
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LOTS
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ty
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PARKED WHAT BREEDING RIGHTS WOULD ZERON BE ENTITLED TOO? HISTORICALLY GOOD RACE MARES ARE SELDOM GOOD BROODMARES.
I'D LOVE TO SEE WHO BID ON THIS HORSE,I'D BE SURPRISED IF MORE THEN A COUPLE OF THE BIDS WERE FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE
ORIGINAL OWNERS. I WISH THEM LUCK,BUT IT'S GOING TO TOUGH SLEDDING TO MAKE THAT MONEY BACK. MUCH BETTER MARES THEN
I don’t know what breeding rights any the original ownership had but there must have been something. Expect the Crawfords got all of the 25% breeding rights with the 20% ownership. At the $1,550,000 one might surmise The group minus Zeron set a price of $1,500.000 and then the 20% owners popped for the extra $50,000 for the 5%, so they all have 25%. We will probably never know..
HER HAVE BEEN A BUST AS BROODMARES, AND BEFORE THE POST'S ABOUT THE HAMBO IF AKE KNEW HOW TO DRIVE THE RESULTS
WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IN MY OPINION.
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If you "HAD" to invest $ 1,550,000 in harness racing, how would you spend it?
I’d buy as many horses as I can to trample u to stop the assinine posts you make
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Ron Burke will train Atlanta
https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/2-16-19/ron-burke-train-atlanta.html
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Ron Burke will train Atlanta
https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/2-16-19/ron-burke-train-atlanta.html
So Tony Alagna got teased?
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What am I missing??? Take her from Zeron and give her to BURKE who has positives pending!! tmbz1 tmbz1 Give her to BURKE who had a TC02, an OXYCODONE, a GLAUCINE and a GABAPENTIN positive!! ngc3 ngc3 BRAVO 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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What am I missing??? Take her from Zeron and give her to BURKE who has positives pending!! tmbz1 tmbz1 Give her to BURKE who had a TC02, an OXYCODONE, a GLAUCINE and a GABAPENTIN positive!! ngc3 ngc3 BRAVO 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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The move to Alagna was more of convenience next door shed row. But really when you spend that much to get the mare back who other than Burke would you put her with. Burke has the top juice and he is Teflon no rulings against him sticks.
When trainers are barred from certain tracks for reasons unknown with no positives but just assumptions of guilt, BUT.......Burke who has multiple offenses either pending or swept under the carpet gets a horse to train from those who CRY THE LOUDEST about integrity makes this game the biggest joke of all. tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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time will prove six pack is the better horse but in fairness did not win on hambo day
as for alagna it seems in very bad taste by the current owners to ask him to get involved in this mess by taking the horse from zerons barn and then not giving her to him when they buy her back
i know tony has horses for brad grant but still, seems like a big favour to ask
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They`re all set now! Give her to Burke! He can race on anything he wants and will never get barred from anywhere! I can`t wait for the day that racing is gone for good!
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They`re all set now! Give her to Burke! He can race on anything he wants and will never get barred from anywhere! I can`t wait for the day that racing is gone for good!
So you wish everyone employed in racing to be put out of a job-because you were treated unfairly??
Come on man-if you cant stand the heat-get out of the kitchen.! Why are you on the site?
I will be the first to agree that racing administrators have let the sport down immeasurably. However when you fail-(whether fairly or unfairly) you pick yourself up-learn from it-and move on. Show the mfers that wronged you-that you have moved on and are past anything they did to you.
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What am I missing??? Take her from Zeron and give her to BURKE who has positives pending!! tmbz1 tmbz1 Give her to BURKE who had a TC02, an OXYCODONE, a GLAUCINE and a GABAPENTIN positive!! ngc3 ngc3 BRAVO 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
1) The TC02 was not your typical black box caused by high bicarb--it was a base excess positive-NOT tco2. Its the biggest joke ever perpetrated on horsemen by the PA Racing Commission---test is flawed on many levels. I just wish Ron Burke had taken this to the Courts as this test would have been kicked to the curb where it belongs.
2) Oxycodone Human drug-was the famous pissed on the straw by a groom on pain meds case-so was thrown out as contamination positive.
3) Glaucine---another contamination positive-found in the bark of the tulip tree-and when horses eat the sawdust=positive.
4) Gabapentin-another human drug-contamination positive.
In terms of horse racing--1) is a BS positive could happen to anyone and Base excess not a performance enhancer in fact could be the opposite. 2) Oxycodone is a pain killer-so if used on a horse would kill any pain it may have=performance enhancer 3)Glaucine-would be great for bleeders or any lung problems=performance enhancer 4) Gabapentin-would help a horse with muscle problems-like tying up=performance enhancer. 2-3-4 were contamination positives with 0 effect on the actual day of race.
In summary--Someone like Burke who employs about 50 staff- has the added problem of having to cope with members of his staff taking drugs. These contamination positives are total BS and NONE should see the light of day-should be dealt with privately-and not called a positive-IF they have 0 effect on the horse at time of racing- as it gives the Sport /trainers a bad image-and haters like those on this forum-will jump all over it and give the sport a black eye it doesnt need..
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Bond I moved on and won races again and am only out due to health issues. Still, I only speak the truth and if you don`t like it I guess that`s too fucking bad!
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Bond I moved on and won races again and am only out due to health issues. Still, I only speak the truth and if you don`t like it I guess that`s too fucking bad!
TTitans--the truth may only be your version of events. I happen to believe Burke is not immune from getting the hammer thrown at him if he violates the rules. I do happen to agree with you that its much harder to get someone like Burke kicked out because he has the money to fight it. Man makes +20MILLION$ a year thats about 2Million amonth.
So if he gets a BS black box-that can put him out for 30 days he will throw $100,000 at defending himself -no problems. How many little guys like yourself get thrown out because you dont have millions to fight the bureaucracy.? So IMHO dont blame the horsemen--BLAME THE SYSTEM!. Life isnt fair when it comes to the Law--OJ brutally sliced 2 people up-yet got off. You and me would be sitting in jail rest of our lives for the same thing. Then multiply this system multiple times for Racing Commissions--and you can see-the little guy has no shot defending BS drug positives-or any kind of infraction for that matter requiring major$$$.
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It stupid to think the glaucine positives came from sawdust. I know someone who got a positive and was bedding on straw. Was told to switch to sawdust right away. Fact
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The money actually made the game more corrupt. Before the slots nobody could afford to fight a positive. The game would already have been dead for years if the slots never happened though. I don`t blame these big barns for getting all they can but I`m not going to sit back and applaud while they pull another fast one either.
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It stupid to think the glaucine positives came from sawdust. I know someone who got a positive and was bedding on straw. Was told to switch to sawdust right away. Fact
Yes that is very true-that trainer wins a lot at Freehold Im told. However -new York did months of testing and SOME of the positives could be explained by eating sawdust that had tulip tree shavings in it--others highly doubtful But since in Court you would have to PROVE that the Glaucine came from other sources--not so easy.
My guess is because there were so many big names attached to this(some obviously administered it)-they decided it wasnt worth spending millions in Court-so they just placed levels of Glaucine in place so that it could not be used medically in the future-and got one trainer as a scapegoat by giving him days for a level that would have had the horse eating more sawdust than hay.
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Bond, I am with you on the TC02, I know a trainer who got one on a horse that was physically impossible to tube.
Oxy and Gabebtin are definitely cross contamination.
Glaucine was 100% a pre race, that just happens to be in tulip sawdust that the horse needs to eat 10 lbs of
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BOND SAYS:
1) The TC02 was not your typical black box caused by high bicarb--it was a base excess positive-NOT tco2.
I SAY:
**That’s why the horses blood came back normal when he was placed in detention.
BOND SAYS:
2) Oxycodone Human drug-was the famous pissed on the straw by a groom on pain meds case-so was thrown out as contamination positive.
I SAY:
** An easy out as always when it comes to human drugs being used which many are!!
BOND SAYS:
3) Glaucine---another contamination positive-found in the bark of the tulip tree-and when horses eat the sawdust=positive.
I SAY:
** Biggest joke of all. A bottle of “injectable glaucine” was found when a trainer was busted with that case still pending!! The Vet doing the testing said the horse would have to consume pounds of sawdust to come up as high as some of these horses did. Some trainers split the loads of sawdust and only one of the two came up positive?? So only half the load contained the poplar tree?? Nice try!!
BOND SAYS:
4) Gabapentin-another human drug-contamination positive.
In terms of horse racing--1) is a BS positive could happen to anyone Gabapentin-would help a horse with muscle problems-like tying up=performance enhancer. 2-3-4 were contamination positives with 0 effect on the actual day of race.
I SAY:
**Gabapentin is similar to Lyrica and is used for diabetic nerve PAIN. A very powerful pain killer according to someone who actually takes Lyrica. Another human product being used on these poor animals.
As you say “IN SUMMARY” ....... because BURKE has the money and name to fight it everyone will continue to sweep it all under the carpet!!
You say people on this forum are haters?? I think not it’s called being fair!! I don’t care who you are a little guy or a big named trainer it’s time to do what needs to be done and stop anyone and everyone “Big Name” or “No Name” and not pick and choose who can get away with it and who can’t!!
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POker King-my friend-you are 100% correct about the picking and choosing when it comes to penalties.
Gural does this almost on a weekly basis--keeps some racing while others go out-for essentially the same thing.
Im waiting for the day is picks on someone who can actually fight back to have a glimmer of hope things may change.
The Commissions KNOW that they will have to spend major dollars trying to out top trainers-while a little guy they use as scapegoats because they know they dont have the funds to fight it.
This is what I referred to as the "HATRED" because people with money get off-and that is why the system is broken. There are no "Court appointed Lawyers" that can help the little guy-and the big trainers will fight a positive for years if need be.
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NAME ONE HAY AND OATS TRAINER NOWADAYS, NONETHELESS ONE WHOM IS SUCCESSFUL IN TODAYS GAME....PHARMA HAS RUINED SPORTS IN GENERAL AND MOST OF IT STARTED IN HORSE RACING
Lance Armstrong was so drugged up he could have won that big French bike race on a tricycle