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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: At the Eighth Pole on April 21, 2018, 08:30:43 AM
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From high school to graduate school I bet harness. In between got a trainer's and driver's license always knowing I'd never make a living betting, training or driving horses. Over time tracks have closed, gone from hot bed excitement to empty silos. Handicapping, despite technology, has gone from horses to people (trainers & drivers and the vets we don't know). More and more races finish with outcomes inconsistent with the racing program, the only bible for bettors: vs. no insights from the vet, the trainer, or morning conditioning. The 50, 25, 12, 8 and 5 payout model is as old as I am, and is no longer sustainable with low purses and the escalating cost of doing business. More and more races result in finishes that defy the race program. For the $20 bucks a night bettor the risk is okay coupled with beers and buddies. But the high risk gambler on the outside, it is a path to empty pockets. On the Meadowlands friday card, a driver who has driven a horse of mine, from meager midwest beginnings, lured to the bright city lights and winters in Florida, opted off a winner, and "appeared" to race for second. No one really knows but him and many of those who cashed a $14 exacta. Finally, in race 9, one horse qualified with a last quarter in 26, faster than one of the favorites with a race under her belt, but with an outside post and a middle level driver. The import 26 flat finisher, with remarkable miles down under, presented with a morning line of 10, no "expert" handicapper gave a mention, and only at the starter's 8th pole did the announcer note the action. (Likewise in recent amateur trots, few noted Mark Silva was previously an active driver in Cali for years, although thinner then, he was quite good. On memory and training his abilities towered over his amateur competition. His wins were highly predictable, but unknown to the unknowing public.) The import mare floated to 7:1 following early action before settling at 5:1. The outcome was no surprise cruising confidently to victory. Something about the morning line (10:1), no touting, and the obvious fitness against the competition compelled me say that's it. I'm done. Cash in the $500 winning ticket and leave with less loses. Join those before me. Leave willingly.
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Good luck in your future endeavors
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YOU''LL BE BACK
THEY ALL CUM BACK
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Harness racing has always been fixed! maybe not every race, but in general the drivers control what comes in. The BIG difference today is social media. Once social media starts talking bad about a diver, trainer, owner or race track, it's etched in everyone's mind. In the old days, going to the track was fun. At most Harness tracks, it's not fun anymore.
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YOU''LL BE BACK
THEY ALL CUM BACK
Robust handles back up this claim ngc3
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Robust handles = computer betting!
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Harness racing has always been fixed! maybe not every race, but in general the drivers control what comes in. The BIG difference today is social media. Once social media starts talking bad about a diver, trainer, owner or race track, it's etched in everyone's mind. In the old days, going to the track was fun. At most Harness tracks, it's not fun anymore.
If this was actually true, it is amazing how there are so many drivers that don't have a pot to piss in & a window to throw it out? Surly knowing the outcome of the races would make drivers rich?
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A very thoughtful post by At the 1/8 th pole
Some good observations
And you are right...Silva was a professional driver........som e years ago
By most groups definition of an amateur........."not having taken any money for driving a 3rd party horse in 10 years"...I wonder..does he meet these conditions ??????
What most amateur clubs do is.......if a member HAS taken money in the last 10 years.......it must be paid back to the amateur club or the Hall of Fame of the Trotter..or to a recognized charity..with a receipt provided for the payback.
Can any plopster provide any input on Mark Silvas possible last drive as a professional ??
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Robust handles = computer betting!
I was being sarcastic...
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Harness racing has always been fixed! maybe not every race, but in general the drivers control what comes in. The BIG difference today is social media. Once social media starts talking bad about a diver, trainer, owner or race track, it's etched in everyone's mind. In the old days, going to the track was fun. At most Harness tracks, it's not fun anymore.
dedicate all your gambling to the nearest casino! It's the most honest game in town!!
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cheating horsemen have ruined our sport,so many horse players have quit,and the judges are the lazyest mother fuckers in the world ,70% of the trainers are bearfs for cheaters
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bearfs
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tmbz1
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bearfs
my bag
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DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE LORD SPLIT YA.
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certainly some truth in the comments although not new
here is a thought
avoid betting all overnight races
selectively bet stakes races
many of the sires stakes you must qualify for a very rich final by getting points during the preliminary legs
and of course finals are even better
i know that does not help those that must bet every night and especially during the winter
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I owned a few nice trotters in the 80's. After a few 4-5-6 finishes in a row, I'd go see my trainer and say, "i'd like to cash a ticket on one of my horses. The next week he tells me my horse is leaving hard and will win. Sure enough my horse goes wire to wire at 10-1. I'm not a big better, but I made a nice score in front of my friends. This really opened my eyes on Harness Racing. After all these years, the only thing that has changed is they juice them up before they tell the driver to leave hard.
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Silva was good back in the day! Never will forget those white patton leather boots he always drove in while in Detroit!
Yep,the white boots! I remember tmbz1
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Silva was good back in the day! Never will forget those white patton leather boots he always drove in while in Detroit!
ANOTHER IDIOT THAT MUST HAVE BEEN AT THE TRACK ON DAYS WHEN SPELLING CLASS WAS HELD
pat·ent leath·er
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noun: patent leather
leather with a glossy varnished surface, used chiefly for shoes, belts, and purses
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Thanks JoeD
When he wrote "patton" leather.......... I thought maybe they were an old pair of white boots originally worn by General Patton
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73cv.2
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Ray Gillilan.
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Joe marsh jr wore white patent leather boots, along with the golden boy Gene valandingham and Ray j gilligan all in chicago at OLD SPORTSMAN PARK in chicago {cicero il]......
George Gilmour did the same.
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Dwight Banks a white boot guy to
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Leo LaCost also. Good luck to all---
Paul Gatley drove in sneakers.
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I have to agree with the original post. I remember RR, YR, M1, Monti, packed with fans. One time in the 70's my uncle and I snuck into the reserved section of the old YR grandstand to promptly get booted by the usher, yes in those days there was an outdoor section of the old grandstand marked reserved and packed.
I rarely bet now.
Maybe a few races were fixed back then but they left enough meat on the bone for the public to make a few bucks.
Nowadays its empty tracks with greasy slimy trainers with mega drugs. Might as well enter the track, buy a program, and promptly proceed to the closest bathroom and use the program for toilet paper.
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Joe marsh jr wore white patent leather boots, along with the golden boy Gene valandingham and Ray j gilligan all in chicago at OLD SPORTSMAN PARK in chicago {cicero il]......
Tony Dandeo wore white cowboy boots
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Paul Appel and Ricky Kurtz white boots. Bill Pocza too.
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Stick to the casinos!
They are always honest
And everybody is a winner
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Stick to the casinos!
They are always honest
And everybody is a winner
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A very thoughtful post by At the 1/8 th pole
Some good observations
And you are right...Silva was a professional driver........som e years ago
By most groups definition of an amateur........."not having taken any money for driving a 3rd party horse in 10 years"...I wonder..does he meet these conditions ??????
What most amateur clubs do is.......if a member HAS taken money in the last 10 years.......it must be paid back to the amateur club or the Hall of Fame of the Trotter..or to a recognized charity..with a receipt provided for the payback.
Can any plopster provide any input on Mark Silvas possible last drive as a professional ??
MARK SILVA was NEVER a good driver. He raced in California and won some races before he figured out a few special things and came to meadowlands. He has had about 10 dead years after initial success. and now comes back with a little bit of force. AS far as the game is concerned, Mark Silva is a second rate and a weird dude. Basically semi- moronic outside of a barn.