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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: slimshady on April 15, 2018, 08:05:55 AM
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Seriously, who in their right mind named the track Woodbine Mohawk Park ??? Was the goal to confuse patrons. What value added reason was there to combine 2 uniquely recognized track names into one and actually give top billing to the name that doesn't match the location. That must have required at least a 9 person panel to do something that stupid.
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Thanks for the historical perspective. 2 things about Greenwood .... 1) That land was just too valuable to ever survive as a race track. 2) Almost impossible to ship in for racing at Greenwood. For a 7pm start, you would need to leave Guelph area at 3pm to ensure arrival to the track on time. To race a horse in the 5th would require an 8 hour investment. To race at Mohawk, 4 to 5 hours for the same entry.
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I was watching Opening night, and a female executive from WEG said the Woodbine branding name carries more meaning than just "Mohawk". I agree that this is just a stupid idea. One thing that will never change is when someone ask you where are you going tonight, the answer will always be. "To the Hawk". One change I do love is the 7:30 start time. It gives you time to go home after work, have some dinner, and still make it out to the track for the early double.
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Trottin ..... Wait till that young, inexperienced family of 4 show up for an inexpensive night out at Woodbine on rexdale, only to realize Woodbine2 is actually near Milton. You'll doubly piss them off, if they started out in Oakville. The young, don't know racing yet crowd, you are trying to attract to the sport and the fun night out of entertainment, have no connection to the WOODBINE brand. And honestly, if anything, it's a thoroughbred brand!!
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Trottin ..... Wait till that young, inexperienced family of 4 show up for an inexpensive night out at Woodbine on rexdale, only to realize Woodbine2 is actually near Milton. You'll doubly piss them off, if they started out in Oakville. The young, don't know racing yet crowd, you are trying to attract to the sport and the fun night out of entertainment, have no connection to the WOODBINE brand. And honestly, if anything, it's a thoroughbred brand!!
it is bound to happen, probably soon and more than once someone not that familiar with the situation is going to agree to meet someone at woodbine for the trotters leaving out the mohawk tag in the conversation or more than likely text. one party will be at mohawk and the other will be pulling into woodbine wondering why there is no harness racing.
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PARDON US, WE JUST CALL IT THE TRACK UP NORTH
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Brutus .... I love that handle. I am using it going forward. See you at "the track up north" tonight. Now that's a brand I can get behind.
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Who cares what it’s called?
It’s a great betting and great racing track
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Brutus .... I love that handle. I am using it going forward. See you at "the track up north" tonight. Now that's a brand I can get behind.
But both tracks are just north of the 401 lol.
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IF YOU ALL WOULD JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND SAY YOU ARE GOING TO THE BUGGY, OR CHUCKWAGON RACES NO ONE WOULD BE CONFUSED.
IT IS BY SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO THE HORSE RACES WE HAVE A PROBLEM
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Slim lets go further back to the days of OJC when Greenwood was sold to land developers because they needed cash. E.P Taylor who was the head of Argus Corporation their board was famous for raiding the employees pension funds from companies within their holdings. They did it with Carling Breweries then sold the company. They did it with Dominion Stores and they did it with Massey-Ferguson and both of these companies were then just a shell of what they were. Well the Taylor family also had a trust in the OJC and when E.P's son Charles found out he had cancer, he cashed in and that led the OJC scrambling for cash which led to the selling of Greenwood. The board of directors now at WEG would love to have had the chance to stop that sale because first they never got fair market value it was fire sale money and secondly they would never had to put in 10 million in today's money for Mohawk, it would have been closed. Added to that then when WEG won the lottery for Toronto casino bid they would have two venues, Greenwood and Woodbine. Why they would do this new branding has a lot of people shaking their heads but then again though the board of directors names have changed over the years don't take these moves at face value, the real move will play out 3-4 moves down the road.
Taylor was long gone from being the head of Argus.........you r revistionist history is misleading......C onrad Black was the head of that company, .......your post, with all due respect, is full of mistakes, and misleading statements
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EPT .... enjoy your tbreds. The whole worldwide industry is controlled by 24 massively rich people/trusts, surrounded by a bunch of drugged out little midgets riding for them. Kinda sad really.
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Pylon and who in Argus though gone directed the board to put Conrad Black at the helm. Black was hand picked by Taylor so before you say misleading get your facts straight.
once again, you are rewriting history, to be polite, or just making things up, to be rude, Black got control through a holdingcompany... he was not anointed by Taylor , so please do some googling and stop spreading nonsense
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Slim I was surprised with this rebranding especially when all over NA everyone in harness racing and their bettors knew Mohawk. Let's not forget that the core brain trust at WEG is Thoroughbreds and always will be and that Harness racing has always been the refugee. One thing that has never changed is the greed in that WEG want's it all. What is even more obnoxious is that outside of the core at WEG is that all the new blood that is putting up these new wave ideas to the board has no investment in the game. Why I used the word obnoxious is because why would they do something that is not in the best interest of those who support the Harness side of the business when in reality it all is going into the same pot that is WEG.
Again spreading bullshit. Just stop. Yur embarrasin yurself again. You related to the Woodbine doc Tim Y?
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pylon, Taylor's partner was Montegue Black who was Conrad's father and don't think for a minute that there was not some stipulations put in place, we all take care of our young. It was a natural progression for Revelstoke who Conrad was in charge of when the takeover of Argus happened he would be in charge of Argus.
iceman, enough already, it matters not who was in charge of Argus..........yo u are just postering and supposing....offe ring no facts..........We g was desperate for $ they sold the land...Taylor , Black had nothing to do with it
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pylon, Taylor's partner was Montegue Black who was Conrad's father and don't think for a minute that there was not some stipulations put in place, we all take care of our young. It was a natural progression for Revelstoke who Conrad was in charge of when the takeover of Argus happened he would be in charge of Argus.
ok, so George was Conrads,s father and was dead for almost 20 years prior to the sale..........and anyway WEG/OJC was a non profit operation....your narrative is nonsense, but, hey, believe what you want...have the last word............. .............and remember this is a US based discussion board, nobody on here cares about what we are talking about...........I just brought it up because a lot of your posts contain fiction and folks should realize that..........ah bye
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pylon you are the uniformed and as I said before pylon as a handle suits you to a T because you sure are as dumb as a pylon that gets run over every race night, you have taken too many shots.
yep, when you run out of informed opinions, and don't present facts, you just resort to name calling........we ll played sir..
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This is exactly what I said in my original post! Pretty cool story though.
WEGCEO Jim Lawson further explained the re-branding in
a HRU on page 5.?We all have sentimentalityabo ut Mohawk
Park.People maycall it Mohawk,people maycall it
Woodbine,but our new customers,international customers,
Internet customers? theydon?t want to go on the Internet
and be confused.And 75 per cent of our wagering ison the
Internet.That?show the world isevolving,?Lawson said.
?Our growth islargelyinternat ional,that iswhere we?ve
seen the growth,in the United Statesand Asia and Australia.
That?swhere we need to take thisbrand.?
Physically,Mohawk will officiallybe known asWoodbine
MohawkPark,but itsstandardbred racing signal will be
Woodbine SB.The thoroughbred signal will be called
Woodbine TB.
Personally,anyone that knowsme isaware that Mohawkis
prettymuch myfavorite place on the planet.In 1998,I took
mywife Kim on our first (blind) date to ?The ?Hawk?and 10
yearslater I proposed to her on one knee in front of the
winner?scircle on arace night.So,at first,I didn?t reallyknow
how to take the name change.But having worked in the
corporate businessworld for several decades,I understand
whycompaniesre-brand certain productsand,in some cases,
their entire corporation.Asan owner,bettor and media
member,I have alot at stake locallyand obviouslyam in
support of anychangesthat will increase businessand
improve the product.I understand the sentimentality
attached to the ?Mohawk?name and I will simplycontinue
referring to mysummer home as?The ?Hawk?asI have been
doing for several decades.But the hoopla in thiscase ? at
least from where I sit ? ismuch ado about nothing,and soon
the focuswill be on the superstarsof the sport showing up
for stakesseason with the corporate name change long
forgotten and the summer meet thriving asalways.
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It's a lot like the CFL. For years there were only 9 teams, but 2 of them were named "roughriders" lol.
We will get used to it after a while. But I still don't like it.
In my mind, the Jays still play at the Skydome.
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Well not a great start to the meet BUT short fields and low quality of horses.
Woodbine 4/5 = $1,617,547 handle
woodbine 4/6 = $1,690,474 handle
Mohawk 4/13 = $1,381,079
mohawk 4/12 = $1,308,791
Handle down $618,151 over 2 days or 15%
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Duke ...... And weather you wouldn't put your Mother In Law out in. I know the handle comes mostly from on line, but it is still affected by the weather. Ugly conditions make it harder for someone to solidify their bets. The gap between the good ones and the bad ones gets closed up a little.
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Duke ...... And weather you wouldn't put your Mother In Law out in. I know the handle comes mostly from on line, but it is still affected by the weather. Ugly conditions make it harder for someone to solidify their bets. The gap between the good ones and the bad ones gets closed up a little.
Agree bad weather but we will see next week. 300K less first 3 nights is quite a drop.
They say 85%of handle off track.
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I know for a fact a few punters have had enough of the moreau/roy show. No value for them. Exactly what Allard did years ago to WEG
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One whale in Toronto betting wise hasn't been playing...
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Or is he playing offshore?
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We already know about their retarded renaming of Mohawk to Woodbine Mohawk Park.
But now look how this new designation is listed in the program.
Woodbine = Wdb7/8
Mohawk = Moh7/8
Woodbine Mohawk Park = Wbsb7/8 angbk
WTF is Wbsb7/8? 91zxa.1 94z.sm
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Wbsb 7/8 ======= WoodBine Standard Bred
and on the runner side..which starts Saturday
Wbtb
This is referred to as "branding" the Woodbine name internationally
Don't shoot me...I'm just the messenger........( I read this somewhere !)
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I will call the races that we are betting Mohawk. ;D
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On opening day when Jason was interviewing that female executive, you could read his mind when she said "The new name will be Woodbine at Mohawk Park". He was thinking "You fn jerk, I'll bet you never made a bet in your life. This is fn retarted".
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Agree. So stupid that the program is showing the Mohawk previous qualifiers under the old name and then showing last weeks race results under the new name.
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Or is he playing offshore?
there is not ONE off shore casino that will give rebates to Mohawk players and a hand full that will take bets at WEG harness
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Great branding so far they are down 300k per card ( with bigger fields)! The only Woodbine branding going on is for the casino on Rexdale, numerous radio commercials and I have gotten tons of mailers from Woobine Casino and I live 20 minutes from Mohawk and an hour from Woodbine!! But don't think it is any better for the Tbreds nit one ad mentioned when they open!!!! The best part of the Buckley and Lawson interviews is when they talk about Breyer flow at Mohawk, have they ever watched their product?
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What you have to understand is that they have people running the show up there that have no clue about racing.Except for mike hamilton the rest of them are yes sir guys that are hired so that they dont have to worry about being a threat and getting knocked down.
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It's too bad Hamilton wasn't on camera as he's 1000 times more knowledgeable then the crew they have currently. tmbz1
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Hamilton did little other than to hand out 3-5 shots. Guy has no imagination or outside the box thinking.