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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wiggles44 on August 27, 2017, 09:47:30 AM
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AGCO - BOOK THE BET
P-TEST SUSP 24-AUG-2017 to 21-NOV-2017
Current Owner: Thestable Bookthebet Grp, Guelph, ON
Trainer: Amy MacDonald
that didn't take long
great way to indroduce new owners into the game 62za.clp
can't wait for the blog 11.wj
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New owners need to experience all facets of harness racing!!! ngc3
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This was/is an outstanding concept, driven by the right guy to sell harness racing to new people. What it does not address is how to keep them coming back. As long as I have been alive, winning is the greatest motivator to stay and reinvest. There are some who have a desire to stay at it, no matter the cost. This fractional ownership is not the vehicle for them. Either way, great job by The Stable.ca
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AGCO - BOOK THE BET
P-TEST SUSP 24-AUG-2017 to 21-NOV-2017
Current Owner: Thestable Bookthebet Grp, Guelph, ON
Trainer: Amy MacDonald
that didn't take long
great way to indroduce new owners into the game 62za.clp
can't wait for the blog 11.wj
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amy/Anthony, while being embarrassed, will neither see time or pay a fine............j ust ask Auciello
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Definitely an unfortunate happening for the stable...
I am a stable supporter & think if you are not rooting for the stable then you are not a true harness fan.
Everyone is entitles to their opinion on the virtues of fractional ownership but the bottom line being it has brought a wave of new people into the game.
personally have brought 3 people (including one with book the bet doh!)...
Have to laugh at some of the posts...Just a tremendous amount of jealousy in this game..not to mention a giant heap of losers.
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amy/Anthony, while being embarrassed, will neither see time or pay a fine............j ust ask Auciello
& actually agree with this post....There are extenuating circumstances & while it is still trainer responsibility..D o you actually think this guy, after starting a hundred races is purposely going to light up a maiden at georgia downs?
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& actually agree with this post....There are extenuating circumstances & while it is still trainer responsibility..Do you actually think this guy, after starting a hundred races is purposely going to light up a maiden at georgia downs?
Amy's a guy?
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Amy's a guy?
Bearded lady?
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Amy's a guy?
Very sorry.. Yes, Amy would be a female.
Just consider all stable horses as Anthony's- he is the one running the show...
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Very sorry.. Yes, Amy would be a female.
Just consider all stable horses as Anthony's- he is the one running the show...
you mean Allard.......
but we know what you're there for
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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you mean Allard.......
but we know what you're there for
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes, I am just making a fountain of $$$$
going to retire soon..
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& actually agree with this post....There are extenuating circumstances & while it is still trainer responsibility..D o you actually think this guy, after starting a hundred races is purposely going to light up a maiden at georgia downs?
my post has nothing to do with guilt or innocence or extenuating circumstances.... ....it is about the frustration of those guilty of positives, especially high profile guys, getting it swept under the rug..........I referenced Auciello...he was finally given a 60 day suspension aug20/oct20 from a horse that was on the suspended list since the winter...but lo and behold he is still racing his stable........... once again MacDonald will not have to pay one dime or see any time off, not because of "extenuating circumstances" but rather because of the regulators unwilling or unable to do their jobs
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my post has nothing to do with guilt or innocence or extenuating circumstances.... ....it is about the frustration of those guilty of positives, especially high profile guys, getting it swept under the rug..........I referenced Auciello...he was finally given a 60 day suspension aug20/oct20 from a horse that was on the suspended list since the winter...but lo and behold he is still racing his stable........... once again MacDonald will not have to pay one dime or see any time off, not because of "extenuating circumstances" but rather because of the regulators unwilling or unable to do their jobs
I can't speak about Auciello...but due believe everyone is entitled to due process..
This horse is set down for 90 days- that seems real to me- I know it does for the owners
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Very sorry.. Yes, Amy would be a female.
Just consider all stable horses as Anthony's- he is the one running the show...
So you're ADMITTING there is a FALSE trainer.......... And people wonder WHY harness racing is headed for extinction.
AND YES, I KNOW almost everybody is doing it. STILL doesn't make it right.
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So you're ADMITTING there is a FALSE trainer.......... And people wonder WHY harness racing is headed for extinction.
AND YES, I KNOW almost everybody is doing it. STILL doesn't make it right.
Don't hurt yourself mcgyver.
What, Burke is listed as trainer at 20 tracks so that makes you feel better.
Amy is 100% training the Canada horses-
My point was Anthony is still the ceo of the entire operation..
& if you think , wait what is your point, that is the reason for harness racing on the decline, then maybe they should do more testing on the Stickney air
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The Stable is a great initiative and has been doing very well. Anthony should promptly address this publicly and with straight talk. The whole appeal process is flawed; should be resolved within three weeks in all cases.
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Don't hurt yourself mcgyver.
What, Burke is listed as trainer at 20 tracks so that makes you feel better.
Amy is 100% training the Canada horses-
My point was Anthony is still the ceo of the entire operation..
& if you think , wait what is your point, that is the reason for harness racing on the decline, then maybe they should do more testing on the Stickney air
NO, Amy is NOT training the horses. She MAY be listed, but SHE IS NOT the one calling the shots. Do the checks get made out to Amy Mccarthy? We BOTH know that's not the case. IF harness racing wanted to be REAL AND DO something about the beards as trainers-all they have to do is follow the money. But it IS pretty funny that people are so nonchalant about it to admit it on the internet. People are tired of trainers getting positive after positive and it's just list a beard and back to business. Then the beard gets a positive and its time for a beard for the beard. I couldn't care less about the Stickney air, but I'm sure it stinks as always. I'm 900 miles from the Stickney air. ngc3 ngc3 Maybe YOU enjoy it. 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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NO, Amy is NOT training the horses. She MAY be listed, but SHE IS NOT the one calling the shots. Do the checks get made out to Amy Mccarthy? We BOTH know that's not the case. IF harness racing wanted to be REAL AND DO something about the beards as trainers-all they have to do is follow the money. But it IS pretty funny that people are so nonchalant about it to admit it on the internet. People are tired of trainers getting positive after positive and it's just list a beard and back to business. Then the beard gets a positive and its time for a beard for the beard. I couldn't care less about the Stickney air, but I'm sure it stinks as always. I'm 900 miles from the Stickney air. ngc3 ngc3 Maybe YOU enjoy it. 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
I will type slow for you..
who the heck is amy mccarthy? Her name is Amy Macdonald...umm like the wife of Anthony, & yes she IS training the Canada string.
You can spout off shit but doesn't make it true but do agree there is a beard problem in the sport. This is just not the case
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THIS MAKES ALL CLEAN TRAINERS LIKE KASIE COALMAN AND RON ADAMS LOOK BAD AND UNPROFESSIONAL. I WAS ABLE TO BECOME AN AMBASSADOR OF BENCHES WITHOUT ANY FARMASUETICAL HELP AND YOU CAN TO!
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Anyone who puts money into a stable that requires Anthony McDonald to drive might as well just set their money on fire.
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Anyone who puts money into a stable that requires Anthony McDonald to drive might as well just set their money on fire.
They have a few that are doing well
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They have a few that are doing well
5 out of 60 isn't a few
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Amy has 47 wins and 300,000 made
Anthony has 2 wins 130,000 made
60 yearlings
That's pathetic
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Amy has 47 wins and 300,000 made
Anthony has 2 wins 130,000 made
60 yearlings
That's pathetic
They've got 60 yearlings ?
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Everyone knows who's calling the shots, I mean come on. I can't wait to read the bullshit and excuses start to fly. When people get positive tests they should be held accountable immediately, not continuing racing amid appeals etc.
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They've got 60 yearlings ?
I think more like 35 - maybe 60 horses in total?
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Amy has 47 wins and 300,000 made
Anthony has 2 wins 130,000 made
60 yearlings
That's pathetic
I think a few of them are with Andrew Harris like the one in the PA superfinal (trotter) and the one in the NY superfinal and one in the Ohio superfinal - I think a few bigger barns dont even have that many and I am sure you could find their count of winners versus non-winners of yearlings at a lower ratio. Give them some credit - tough concept probably
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I think more like 35 - maybe 60 horses in total?
they had 60 stalls at campbellville training centre. Most of them broke down by the time they was ready to qualify...
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5 out of 60 isn't a few
A few means three , i didnt say they were setting the industry on fire . if burke or takter only had 60 , how many would be great ?
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They've got a good one in Lima Son. Shit pedigree but the horse panned out
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I think a few of them are with Andrew Harris like the one in the PA superfinal (trotter) and the one in the NY superfinal and one in the Ohio superfinal - I think a few bigger barns dont even have that many and I am sure you could find their count of winners versus non-winners of yearlings at a lower ratio. Give them some credit - tough concept probably
tmbz1
Very tough to get quality yearlings when you have a smaller budget than others.
At least thestable.ca is getting more people involved. Ownership for sure and if some of these members bet a few dollars then even better!
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& actually agree with this post....There are extenuating circumstances & while it is still trainer responsibility..D o you actually think this guy, after starting a hundred races is purposely going to light up a maiden at georgia downs?
If he knows a hundred people are there to get their picture taken, yes.
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they had 60 stalls at campbellville training centre. Most of them broke down by the time they was ready to qualify...
I guess you must be one of the owners or former owners then if you know all this information. Thanks.
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If he knows a hundred people are there to get their picture taken, yes.
were there 100 people total at Georgia downs for that race...
There is plenty of fake news after reading these posts...
In fact not one horse has broken down...most did qualify..some were stopped with due to injury like Lima Son who had won a 40 k OHSS under wraps in his 2nd start.
GoBlue points out that Lima Son has a shit pedigree but if you did a little research the 2nd dam produced Minibar- a highly productive mare that includes some wholesome trotters like gruden..MyMvp was a first time sire from Cantab Hall who I have always liked...Yes a bit of a crap shoot but there is nothing for sure at any price.
I am not here as a fluffer for the stable....but have 100% enjoyed my dealings with the Stable & will be back for more next year..
Have all the horses been stars..nope..but that is the business..
Some people want to spend $1,000 going to a concert or football game (goblue) -now that to me is a waste of money
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Laverne, you act like this is a first for A Mac he has at least 3 positives in his name 2 in brother James and 3 in J McKinnon!!!! Got caught again but he was smart enough to get Amy a trainers license so now he can change them to his name and go tight on again !
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Laverne, you act like this is a first for A Mac he has at least 3 positives in his name 2 in brother James and 3 in J McKinnon!!!! Got caught again but he was smart enough to get Amy a trainers license so now he can change them to his name and go tight on again !
Stan,
no doubt a positive is not something to wear proudly but it is what it is...
Watching harness racing & seeing Tyler George, Bellamy, Stewart at Hoosier have horses run off the screen..It just doesn't pass the eye test.
I am no chemist & when it comes to nanograms etc out of my league..I watch those horses race & sorry but these horses are not enhanced.
Don't disagree that racing has a medication problem but how do the big guys sail along while the little guys are the ones who seem to get popped.
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I will type slow for you..
who the heck is amy mccarthy? Her name is Amy Macdonald...umm like the wife of Anthony, & yes she IS training the Canada string.
You can spout off shit but doesn't make it true but do agree there is a beard problem in the sport. This is just not the case
Excuse me, Amy MACDONALD then. AND I will wager that HER name is NOT ON ANY check coming from ANY owner associated with THAT barn.
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Excuse me, Amy MACDONALD then. AND I will wager that HER name is NOT ON ANY check coming from ANY owner associated with THAT barn.
Its a business entity, so probably not her name on a check. I wrote my check to Microsoft not Bill Gates when I upgraded from a commodore 64 - so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
If your owners are writing you a check directly, good for you.
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Excuse me, Amy MACDONALD then. AND I will wager that HER name is NOT ON ANY check coming from ANY owner associated with THAT barn.
all checks are written to thestable.ca
so doubt you will see anthony maconald's name either.
think you are looking at this the wrong way- but entitled to your opinion..
thanks for the CAPS though- REALLY reinforces the narratiVe.
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The guy didn't even have a truck and trailer until this summer he's a gypsy 😂😂 Bumming rides from everyone not paying them but sure as shit charging the owners top rate the whole thing is a joke
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Its a business entity, so probably not her name on a check. I wrote my check to Microsoft not Bill Gates when I upgraded from a commodore 64 - so this shouldn't surprise anyone.
If your owners are writing you a check directly, good for you.
Thank you Doctor...
some people smh
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The guy didn't even have a truck and trailer until this summer he's a gypsy 😂😂 Bumming rides from everyone not paying them but sure as shit charging the owners top rate the whole thing is a joke
what did he skip out on a uber from you. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
give me the address & will send you the $10
his rates are much less then most trainers...& speak from experience.
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The Stable is a great initiative and has been doing very well. Anthony should promptly address this publicly and with straight talk. The whole appeal process is flawed; should be resolved within three weeks in all cases.
tmbz1
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ISNT THAT THE NORM
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Good luck to them. At least they are spending money and keeping the sport going!
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Some people want to spend $1,000 going to a concert or football game (goblue) -now that to me is a waste of money
Yeah who would ever want anything in return for your money when you can just throw $1000 away on one of these rat horses ngc3 ngc3
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Good luck to them. At least they are spending money and keeping the sport going!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND CANCER?
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Yeah who would ever want anything in return for your money when you can just throw $1000 away on one of these rat horses ngc3 ngc3
or use that $1k and had bought into one of their horses that is making money (and there are a few), I went and reviewed his success at auction etc. Hit or Miss
if you had used that on Zeppelin Bi - you would have had about 10% of a horse that has made $30+k and in the super final
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you would have gotten about 3% of a Muscle Hill filly and not had a start yet
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you could have gotten 1/800th of that trotting colt that cant even stay flat (tactical landing) (I know it isnt in thestable.ca but you get the point).
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& actually agree with this post....There are extenuating circumstances & while it is still trainer responsibility..D o you actually think this guy, after starting a hundred races is purposely going to light up a maiden at georgia downs?
YES. anyone with a brain would know he would. his list of hot tests is lenghty. his wife and ex wife now have another thing in common. brother james. mckinnon twice.
i bet you didnt believe sammy sosa after 1000s of games was going to light himself up to? angbk
or maybe lance armstrong was going to stop using epo after four tour de frances! 54za.cb
enjoy the cool aid
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YES. anyone with a brain would know he would. his list of hot tests is lenghty. his wife and ex wife now have another thing in common. brother james. mckinnon twice.
i bet you didnt believe sammy sosa after 1000s of games was going to light himself up to? angbk
or maybe lance armstrong was going to stop using epo after four tour de frances! 54za.cb
enjoy the cool aid
I only have a 1/4 brain.
fits well at this forum
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aND were there 100 people total at Georgia downs for that race...
There is plenty of fake news after reading these posts...
In fact not one horse has broken down...most did qualify..some were stopped with due to injury like Lima Son who had won a 40 k OHSS under wraps in his 2nd start.
GoBlue points out that Lima Son has a shit pedigree but if you did a little research the 2nd dam produced Minibar- a highly productive mare that includes some wholesome trotters like gruden..MyMvp was a first time sire from Cantab Hall who I have always liked...Yes a bit of a crap shoot but there is nothing for sure at any price.
I am not here as a fluffer for the stable....but have 100% enjoyed my dealings with the Stable & will be back for more next year..
Have all the horses been stars..nope..but that is the business..
Some people want to spend $1,000 going to a concert or football game (goblue) -now that to me is a waste of money
And $ 100 for the McGregor vs Mayweather 'fight' was a waste of money too~
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/8-29-17/trusting-system-and-doing-our-job.html
let's start with all the owners we have etc and great we do... play the sympathy card then address the positive test...
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Doesn't seem to be very transparent with the financials.
How can you take home a yearling from |Harrisburg for 13k (not even paid for) and piece out at 39k a month later?
How come if I'm in real estate or the financial market, even a novice investor can access historical pricing data. Not so much in the harness industry.
Just ask Cirillo about AMac LOL. Changing horses name and winning OSS Gold Events when told horse would never race.
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Doesn't seem to be very transparent with the financials.
How can you take home a yearling from |Harrisburg for 13k (not even paid for) and piece out at 39k a month later?
How come if I'm in real estate or the financial market, even a novice investor can access historical pricing data. Not so much in the harness industry.
Just ask Cirillo about AMac LOL. Changing horses name and winning OSS Gold Events when told horse would never race.
Correct me if I am wrong please, but the sales results are available for the Harrisburg sale minutes after the horse sells for all to see. How much more transparent can that be? If a buyer wants to give AMac a profit, that is their prerogative isn't it?
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We're talkin about novice investors, the market Thestable is trying to attract. Yes the results are available online but its not like TheBlackbook.com is the most popular website in the world. Its worth $10USD according to Alexa.
OTOH, If one wants to buy Alphabet Inc, most people know how to access any type of brokerage site.fin sites to get quotes and hist prices and financials.
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/8-29-17/trusting-system-and-doing-our-job.html
let's start with all the owners we have etc and great we do... play the sympathy card then address the positive test...
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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We're talkin about novice investors, the market Thestable is trying to attract. Yes the results are available online but its not like TheBlackbook.com is the most popular website in the world. Its worth $10USD according to Alexa.
OTOH, If one wants to buy Alphabet Inc, most people know how to access any type of brokerage site.fin sites to get quotes and hist prices and financials.
And most people know how to google to get almost any info on this planet, including sale prices. I don't imagine AMac would think for a minute that his owners would not find out how much the horse sold for. My guess is he might have even informed any potential owner the price that the horse sold for before they made their decision?
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And most people know how to google to get almost any info on this planet, including sale prices. I don't imagine AMac would think for a minute that his owners would not find out how much the horse sold for. My guess is he might have even informed any potential owner the price that the horse sold for before they made their decision?
Hahahaha, you're talkin bout a guy who would buy cheap horses off the McFaddens and hikin em up bigtime. Makes Monte Gelrod look like a saint.
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/8-29-17/trusting-system-and-doing-our-job.html
let's start with all the owners we have etc and great we do... play the sympathy card then address the positive test...
ethyl glucuronide
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great for pain relief
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Hahahaha, you're talkin bout a guy who would buy cheap horses off the McFaddens and hikin em up bigtime. Makes Monte Gelrod look like a saint.
I thought we were talking about a horse bought at a public auction in Harrisburg?
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Clotol or vodka
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Doesn't seem to be very transparent with the financials.
How can you take home a yearling from |Harrisburg for 13k (not even paid for) and piece out at 39k a month later?
How come if I'm in real estate or the financial market, even a novice investor can access historical pricing data. Not so much in the harness industry.
Just ask Cirillo about AMac LOL. Changing horses name and winning OSS Gold Events when told horse would never race.
the financials are 100% transparent...the market decides the horses price..
I can buy a share for $250 & ask $2,500 a month later but doesn't mean I will get it..A share is only worth what someone will pay for it..& based on watching the training miles etc..it is not uncommon for the prices to move both ways..
If he buys a horse for $15,000- each share is $150 to start..There is ZERO mark up...I know exactly what he pays for each horse..
Again, each person has the right to believe or not in the concept but to spread bs for the sake of it is just wrong.
I have brought 3 new owners into the game over the past year & hopefully 2 more by end of the year.
Met some great people who love the sport like myself...could not be happier with thestable.ca
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the financials are 100% transparent...the market decides the horses price..
I can buy a share for $250 & ask $2,500 a month later but doesn't mean I will get it..A share is only worth what someone will pay for it..& based on watching the training miles etc..it is not uncommon for the prices to move both ways..
If he buys a horse for $15,000- each share is $150 to start..There is ZERO mark up...I know exactly what he pays for each horse..
Again, each person has the right to believe or not in the concept but to spread bs for the sake of it is just wrong.
I have brought 3 new owners into the game over the past year & hopefully 2 more by end of the year.
Met some great people who love the sport like myself...could not be happier with thestable.ca
like he said in his statement hes lookin to bring more trainers into the stable. going to need some new ones to take over for amy. if things were transparent he would address the 6 other hot tests hes been associated with and stop calling it contamination and call it what it is a bad test
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like he said in his statement hes lookin to bring more trainers into the stable. going to need some new ones to take over for amy. if things were transparent he would address the 6 other hot tests hes been associated with and stop calling it contamination and call it what it is a bad test
yawwnnnn
everyone one of your posts is sour grapes..
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yawwnnnn
everyone one of your posts is sour grapes..
or undisputable facts however you wish to look at it.
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yawwnnnn
everyone one of your posts is sour grapes..
LOOKS LIKE SOLE ASSASSIN NEEDS A NAP. HE CAN YUSE MY BENCH. SOME BIRDS TUK A DEUCE ON IT NEWAY.
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the financials are 100% transparent...the market decides the horses price..
I can buy a share for $250 & ask $2,500 a month later but doesn't mean I will get it..A share is only worth what someone will pay for it..& based on watching the training miles etc..it is not uncommon for the prices to move both ways..
If he buys a horse for $15,000- each share is $150 to start..There is ZERO mark up...I know exactly what he pays for each horse..
Again, each person has the right to believe or not in the concept but to spread bs for the sake of it is just wrong.
I have brought 3 new owners into the game over the past year & hopefully 2 more by end of the year.
Met some great people who love the sport like myself...could not be happier with thestable.ca
I wish you the best of luck. I didn't say the concept itself isn't good.
However, when the Harrisburg sale was over they put up a list of yearlings to buy into and using 1.40 as the exchange rate (spot rate 1.3541 day of) there were a few that were really marked up. I tried finding the page using the wayback google archive. A friend and I remarked how their value could change that much.
That's beyond the arbitrary value placed on them in the first place. The underbidder set the true price for them.
Anyways, I was looking on the website. It only mentions "fees" charged to your monthly bill, not a certain set charge for services rendered. For example, shipping to Georgian, New York, PA etc. I thought the point of the syndicate was to have more cost certainty, I don't see it. What about shoeing, paddocks?
And so your telling me the only way for me to cash out is to have the horse race well and someone will pay me more for my share on the secondary market. Unlike if I own the horse whole I receive the purse cheques and pay the trainer at the end of the month, I am still receiving cash dividends along the way.
I know that you shouldn't totally look at investing in racehorses as a monetary thing, there are side benefits like entertainment, seeing and jogging your horse, etc etc. but I'm still looking for some type of return on capital bc eventually someone will be caught holding the bag and their shares will be worthless while the purse earnings will be eaten in bills so there never will be a distribution of earnings.
I have a friend who got out the biz and he's had 2-3 world champs but eventually he got tired of losing 3-400k a year trying to beat the juice monkies and he says the game has lost its social appeal...
Dan Clements ran a fractional ownership group about a decade ago. It started out well but went downhill when they tried to price their homebreds well above market value and not many turned out on the track.
So if you're getting a fair deal, I have no problem with that. I just know whats been done in the past and remind people about the wolf in sheeps clothing.
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The fractional ownership idea is really interesting if you literally treat it like an exchange. It wouldn't be hard to set up a site or app where you could buy shares of a horse with a bid/ask spread like any other type of security. There are likely problems to arise (regulations,taxes, etc.) with that but someone with the time/money could theoretically set it up.
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For the people wanting to say AMac wouldn't preface a maiden 2yr old check out the website this $13000 yearling is advertised at a full price of $82,500 ($825) per share!!! I think there is some incentive to cheat here
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For the people wanting to say AMac wouldn't preface a maiden 2yr old check out the website this $13000 yearling is advertised at a full price of $82,500 ($825) per share!!! I think there is some incentive to cheat here
ngc3
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Race 3 Friday night; or, why letting Anthony McDonald drive is like setting your money on fire.
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Race 3 Friday night; or, why letting Anthony McDonald drive is like setting your money on fire.
http://youtu.be/lqBrB6MdytU
http://youtu.be/5j5m9Vo0NCs
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Wow, what a display
Hope those were his own horses he gutted
Probably going for a $800 purse to boot
If you drive that poorly you should have to get out of the bike and lead the horse back for the last quarter mile, the poor thing should not have to pull the idiot in after being abused line that
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/notices/9-6-17/stable-showcasing-live-access-sales.html
more free advertising for the bullshitter's stable
ngc3
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Finished 2nd in a nice 250k race Monday .......... Congrats
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/news/9-11-17/stable-buys-first-captain-yearling-ever-sold-auction.html
more free advertising for the race fixing group
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Lololol The amazing Anthony cost the stable 6400 by not having the horses owners licensed by the state!!!
NY aint Standardbred Canada that lets u pay whenever you feel like..Follow The Rules!
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Head pole where did that happen ? I know they had issues at Saratoga for 2yr old trotting colts but they let them race
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Yes at saratoga ..he was given time to get affairs in order...didnt so disqualified from purse earnings
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Yes at saratoga ..he was given time to get affairs in order...didnt so disqualified from purse earnings
They can hold the purse money but I don't know if they can disqualify you from collecting.
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Paul Kelley tweeted the notice
https://twitter.com/PKtrotters1?lang=en
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Just read some of Kelley's tweets !!why should the stable be allowed any preference ? I have a NY sire with partners one is a first timer we had all our paperwork and money paid before we raced the first time!!! This is 3/4 of the way through the season!
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Just read some of Kelley's tweets !!why should the stable be allowed any preference ? I have a NY sire with partners one is a first timer we had all our paperwork and money paid before we raced the first time!!! This is 3/4 of the way through the season!
62za.clp
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ANYONE OWN SHARES IN THIS OPERATION? THERE IS NO WAY HE IS CHARGING 2 DIMES FOR TRAINING.
GOING RATE ON A BABY MAYBE 1700-2000 BUT ON A RACE HORSE HES GKT TO BE CLOSE TO 5K
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What’s 1% of fuck all?
Axing for a friend...
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What’s 1% of fuck all?
Axing for a friend...
SWEET FUCK ALL
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What’s 1% of fuck all?
Axing for a friend...
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I'd like to see how much money those two year olds have lost overall this year, from start of sales price to training & stake payments. It would be astronomical.
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WHEN YOU BUY 120 HORSES ITS EASY TO HAVE A FEW IN THE SHED THAT TURN OUT MAKING A PROFIT BUT 90% WILL BE BOTTOM FEEDERS.
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WHEN YOU BUY 120 HORSES ITS EASY TO HAVE A FEW IN THE SHED THAT TURN OUT MAKING A PROFIT BUT 90% WILL BE BOTTOM FEEDERS.
VERY TRUE tmbz1
PLUS, THIS THESTABLE.CA VIDEOS ARE TERRIBLE!!! GUY LOVES HIMSELF EVIDENTLY...
DOES MORE SELFIES THAN SPAETH OR MANAGER
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ISNT THIS A PONZI SCHEME?
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ISNT THIS A PONZI SCHEME?
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PEOPLE SHUD JOIN BROTHA LOUKNOWS SINDAKATE. HE BYES DA BEST HORSES UNDER $FREE AND GIVES DEM TO GAS TRAINERS. BROTHA BATTING PURFECT .00000000001% 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj 11.wj
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http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/8-29-17/trusting-system-and-doing-our-job.html
let's start with all the owners we have etc and great we do... play the sympathy card then address the positive test...
Can't use the "piss excuse" since humans can't excrete alcohol. Beer is given to some horses as an old-fashioned remedy for a few ailments (no pun intended) but they would have had to given the horse beer very close to race time in order to test positive? There is also ethanol in cold medicines, antidiarrheals, as well as a few others.
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Curious if the trainer was using something like this:
https://www.equisearch.com/HorseJournal/sweat-that-leg-out
Even the mouthwash Listerine can be used in sweats
That could cause a positive.
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You guys still talking about something that happened over a year ago, get over it. Shit happens
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I’m sure the owners who invested $17,000 in Swandre The Giant are happy with how things turned out.
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(https://preview.ibb.co/gwuYs9/Dn_AFpi_RXc_AAs1_F6.jpg)
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I don't get why everyone bashes this guy....
Watching the Ohio Championships, which were represented by a few from the The Stable, most of the other horses are owned by big number partnerships. If you watch the runners, there are dozens of these large syndicate own partnership companies. You will see multiple partnership companies even own one horse.
As far as him starting out with a bunch but only a few make money ……. I can tell you every major stable has probably 4 lose money for every 1 that makes money..... Burke, Br Brown, Takter, Alagna….. and on an on..... At least with the partnership it's low money risk for a chance...
I know there are tons of huge/deep pocket member here on Plop that can afford a 50k yearling. But this is a chance to get some new owners or ham and eggers like myself to buy in.
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Then buy in and you can wash the dishes of the ham and eggers. A select few will break even and they have deep pockets, the rest of you the whole thing will leave a bitter taste in your mouth, not to mention a lighter wallet.
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Dink, take a few days and go sit by the track at Timoko and watch the show and you will see why people are bashing The Stable!! Besides he is putting lots of small stables out of business by undercutting the average price to train a horse ! I know it sounds nice on paper to pay 2000 a month all in , but with the actual cost run a stable it is not realistic . When this blows up there will be a lot of people holding the bag, including vendors and investors!!
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Dink, take a few days and go sit by the track at Timoko and watch the show and you will see why people are bashing The Stable!! Besides he is putting lots of small stables out of business by undercutting the average price to train a horse ! I know it sounds nice on paper to pay 2000 a month all in , but with the actual cost run a stable it is not realistic . When this blows up there will be a lot of people holding the bag, including vendors and investors!!
Stan. actually made some good points.... But it seems like the business model of the industry has changed over the past 5 years. Syndicates are the thing, in harness and the runners. In our sport, the business is dwindling down to a dozen or so trainers that dominate everything. Not just at the stake level, but also at the condition and claiming level racing horses at 3,4,5 tracks a night. Watched a stake race at the Red Mile for 3yo colts. 7 horse field that Alagna had 4 and Takter had 3. this is bad for everyone including the gamblers due to whomever wins, they will think the fix was for THAT horse to win and the rest are a setup.
I just think the business model of the sport has changed from ownership partnerships, to trainers dominating, to tracks being funded by casino's and in McDonalds case he has found a new way to market his skills. I saw he bought seven at the latest Ohio sale. probably has all the shares bought and paid for..... If it's not him, it would be someone else.
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Dink is right about partnerships. All these top horses seem to have 3 4 or 5 owners a horse. A trainer usually owns a part. Then these owners have more fire power to buy more yearlings because they are spreading just 20-25% a horse. If they usually buy 5 they can be part 12 or 15 horses and nothing changes on cost level. I noticed something at the Ohio sale and prices thestable.ca paid and then what the actual higher cost was to syndicate. Does anyone know the extra fees?
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Standardbred racing as an owner is just another form of gambling.
People on here seem to think, if you spend big money on a 2 year old and give it to a good trainer, just sit back and wait for the cheques. If Casie Coleman owned 100% of all the horses she trains, she would be broke in 2 years, even with the Sportswriter stud money coming in. All the big trainers are simply The Stable at a higher price point. It's like a casino, there are 100 $5, $10 and $20 tables and there are 5 tables in the high stakes room. Lot's of $100k yearlings never win enough to pay the training bills, never mind return the $100k and some $10k yearling purchases make enough money to pay all the bills and have some left over. Obviously, your odds go up with a $100 yearling, but so does the financial risk. I would love someone to document the last 5 years of any sale, showing the average earnings of yearlings purchased for $50k or more and the average earnings of yearlings purchased for 10k to 49k.
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Standardbred racing as an owner is just another form of gambling.
People on here seem to think, if you spend big money on a 2 year old and give it to a good trainer, just sit back and wait for the cheques. If Casie Coleman owned 100% of all the horses she trains, she would be broke in 2 years, even with the Sportswriter stud money coming in. All the big trainers are simply The Stable at a higher price point. It's like a casino, there are 100 $5, $10 and $20 tables and there are 5 tables in the high stakes room. Lot's of $100k yearlings never win enough to pay the training bills, never mind return the $100k and some $10k yearling purchases make enough money to pay all the bills and have some left over. Obviously, your odds go up with a $100 yearling, but so does the financial risk. I would love someone to document the last 5 years of any sale, showing the average earnings of yearlings purchased for $50k or more and the average earnings of yearlings purchased for 10k to 49k.
Very well put! tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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I Agee with the idea of fractional partnerships. But not the pricing , $20 a month for a 1% share? Why not charge $30 and be able to pay your bills and make a living!!
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Dink is right about partnerships. All these top horses seem to have 3 4 or 5 owners a horse. A trainer usually owns a part. Then these owners have more fire power to buy more yearlings because they are spreading just 20-25% a horse. If they usually buy 5 they can be part 12 or 15 horses and nothing changes on cost level. I noticed something at the Ohio sale and prices thestable.ca paid and then what the actual higher cost was to syndicate. Does anyone know the extra fees?
bought in USD and sold in CDN dollars. plus the tax.
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Bought a Dewey at morrisville today. Dam is 2 for 10. $8,000.. step up and ge in while you can..
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Some people think you just buy a yearling & count the cash. You're paying trainers & vet Bill's for 9 months minimum until they make the races (that's rare as well) ... they have to get there speed down , avoid injuries and be fast enough to make it.. Then theres stake payments etc... It's a crapshoot for everyone
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Stan. actually made some good points.... But it seems like the business model of the industry has changed over the past 5 years. Syndicates are the thing, in harness and the runners. In our sport, the business is dwindling down to a dozen or so trainers that dominate everything. Not just at the stake level, but also at the condition and claiming level racing horses at 3,4,5 tracks a night. Watched a stake race at the Red Mile for 3yo colts. 7 horse field that Alagna had 4 and Takter had 3. this is bad for everyone including the gamblers due to whomever wins, they will think the fix was for THAT horse to win and the rest are a setup.
I just think the business model of the sport has changed from ownership partnerships, to trainers dominating, to tracks being funded by casino's and in McDonalds case he has found a new way to market his skills. I saw he bought seven at the latest Ohio sale. probably has all the shares bought and paid for..... If it's not him, it would be someone else.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Thank you Swandre that makes sense then where the dollar and the CDN stand.
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If you want to share in the excitement and experience of owning a horse then go for it! Understand that it is entertainment and you will certainly pay for it! Keep in mind that as a minority owner you will be along merely for the ride as you will have absolutely no say in the management and decision making regarding the horse! It's certainly not for me but good luck!
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all valid points not just about the stable .ca but small ownership in general
its as much if not more a form of gambling than anything
but we all know that getting in
the hope is you pay$17k for a swandre and sell for $1m
its a lottery but having a few shares of some horses gives you a chance
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Haven’t seen cement hands around, where is he?
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Haven’t seen cement hands around, where is he?
You must not pay much attention. He was at Mohawk driving in a couple big stakes on Saturday and Sunday he was at Flamboro. Today he's currently on a plane to New Zealand to speak about fractional ownership .
What have you driven lately, or better yet, what have you done for the sport?
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54k PAYDAY WITH LAWMAKER ON THE WEEKEND IS PRETTY GOOD COIN.
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Is that coin US or CDN? Begs another question so since ownership is in ON if a race is in the US does it get sent to CA then exchanged over and if you are a US owner your check comes back in CDN and you have to pay to convert back to US? I suppose the Swandre guys where they any different since there where just 4 owners All in IL did that money travel back and forth or where they paid by Hoosier? I have some peaked interest on what they may buy at Lexington.
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You must not pay much attention. He was at Mohawk driving in a couple big stakes on Saturday and Sunday he was at Flamboro. Today he's currently on a plane to New Zealand to speak about fractional ownership .
What have you driven lately, or better yet, what have you done for the sport?
paid for by the 1 percenters?
or SC?
11.wj
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guys, if you are so curious and yet clueless go the website and get a information package and buy 1 share of a horse and u will get all your questions answered
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I bought in on Lincoln James and while I have never had partners before this is interesting to me. I only own a small share but I will tell you the communications with the owners is is 1000% better than with any trainer I,ve ever used. An e-mail daily and Anthony video blogs on every horse in the stable once a week. Would recommend it to any new owner. Someone asked what it costs for a racehorse.Total including HST is 2865 CDN per month. 1% is 28.65 per month.If your in on a racehorse like I am we swing for 24G every week.
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I didn’t like your tone. I raced in the North American Cup this year with one I own for a million. Did you race anything over a 5000 claimer?
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If you’ve had good ones then carry yourself with respect. No need to be nasty.
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I went in with my eyes open. Probably have been in the game as long as you. I have owned over 200 in those years. Was just trying to say that for new owners it’s a good way to get their feet wet without burning a lot of money. It will never be my way since I like to own mine but if it brings new owners, I say God bless!
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I went in with my eyes open. Probably have been in the game as long as you. I have owned over 200 in those years. Was just trying to say that for new owners it’s a good way to get their feet wet without burning a lot of money. It will never be my way since I like to own mine but if it brings new owners, I say God bless!
prolly your trainer robs you
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I normally train my own so I better turn myself in. LOL
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Let’s kiss and make up. lol. In reality good luck on your future horse ventures..i’ve Had good luck buying well bred two year olds that the big stables are selling.. You can buy them reasonable and with a little time a lot become good horses. p.m. me and I’ll give you some names. If I don’t hear from you good luck on any future buys!
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DannyBoy .... Sounds like you are having a great time for less than many people spend on smokes each month. No idea why so many people are down on this idea. It's just inexpensive gambling, but a lot more fun.
To all the haters .....
"A Mac is ripping everyone off" ..... at $28 / month, how much can any one person be affected
"A Mac is a terrible trainer" ...... he has over a 100 horses in training, spread out over 3 or 4 trainers .... are they all bad? And most trainers are as good or bad as their stock.
I own 10 - 20 % of some horses. None are with the Stable.
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Slim he doesn't have 4 different trainers he has 4 beards after Any and Anthony both got positives last year!! Now he can do whatever he wants without getting suspended , just change the name in the program and go right on!! Look up the stats on his "trainers" the last couple years , they are all bust outs
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Instead of ripping off 10 owners he’s ripping off “thousands”
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Dannyboy I'm trying to give you a heads up. I've been in this game a long time going back to the Dufferin Park days and trust me Anthony Mac is full of shit and this won't end well for most of you.
It's fuckin killin you that there are actually happy and successful people in this game you old miserable piece of shit. Your just a broken down degenerate that wants to bring everyone else down. You know fuck all.
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Instead of ripping off 10 owners he’s ripping off “thousands”
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you see the prices charged, would like to know how people are getting ripped off?
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Wiggles .... I have an open mind and you seem to know all the facts.
Tell me how much C. Coleman charges to train a horse?
Tell me how much the combined owners pay for a horse to be trained at The Stable?
Would be important info in deciding who is getting ripped off the most !!
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I bought a couple of pieces for my 8 year old. He's having the most amazing time. 90 bucks a month is peanuts for he gets. Not many people here can see outside the betting aspect of the sport. Sad.
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Well what I liked was following the videos on Sat when the horses trained or when they where jogging early on. You get detail and a weekly breakdown. If your training babies down you for the most part don't get any feedback unless your the one calling for updates. I think by far and large this was a great start early on for the stable. It's pretty tough when your looking for value and not paying up for other reasons. They had a big % of horses racing in Sire stakes and some GC events. Not too mention the one being sold for big $$$$. It's hard to buy yearlings when you don't have the partners to spread on 4 or 5 horses. In this case if you like something they bought then you can jump in. Nothing's perfect and nothing in this sport is fair but this gives a person to get in and not go broke. There has been some good detail so thanks to those who shared. tmbz1
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Horses racing huge in most jurisdictions. Had a hambo horse, a horse in Haughton, a top stakes horse in NY and a few in Ohio and PA. There's at least 3 going to Breeders Crown, how can you knock that for a few dollars invested.
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HE’D BE LOSING MONEY IF HIS BILL WAS 2800$ A MONTH.
I HAVE TO BELIEVE HES CLOSE TO 5000$ A MONTH.
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wrong. Bill is what I said. If I’m wrong someone in the group say different. I don’t even mind posting last months bill if it stops the naysayers,
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danny boy facts are correct
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Horses racing huge in most jurisdictions. Had a hambo horse, a horse in Haughton, a top stakes horse in NY and a few in Ohio and PA. There's at least 3 going to Breeders Crown, how can you knock that for a few dollars invested.
you named 7 horses
what about the other 90+ he has "training"
what have they done?
Provel Blue Chip = $23,000 yearling purchase
Purchased October 2016
3 lifetime starts under "the stable"
October 2016 to January 2018 payments
earnings on the track for "the stable" $325
Gouda Hanover = $11,000 yearling purchase
Purchased September 2016
8 lifetime starts under "the stable"
September 2016 to February 2018 payments
earning on the track for "the stable" $1,625
Vintage Lock = $11,000 yearling purchase
Purchased October 2016
2 lifetime starts under "the stable"
October 2016 to September 2017 payments
earning on the track for "the stable" $320
off broadway, gratuity, master saver, road tripper, mckinnon, these are just the 3 year olds
i can continue, there are more........
11.wj
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Wiggles ..... Of course there are more. The hit rate for buying yearlings aren't great odds. You can also list $100k purchases from good trainers that never even made it to the track as 2 year olds, or never made it to the track at all. You can list $100k yearlings that never made back 1/4 of what they were purchased for or never broke their maiden.
Again, you are convinced it is a ripoff.
Answer the earlier question.
How much does Cassie charge and how much does The Stable charge.
I think your rip off argument is fake news and you should really tell us why you hate this trainer or his idea so much !!
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you named 7 horses
what about the other 90+ he has "training"
what have they done?
Provel Blue Chip = $23,000 yearling purchase
Purchased October 2016
3 lifetime starts under "the stable"
October 2016 to January 2018 payments
earnings on the track for "the stable" $325
Gouda Hanover = $11,000 yearling purchase
Purchased September 2016
8 lifetime starts under "the stable"
September 2016 to February 2018 payments
earning on the track for "the stable" $1,625
Vintage Lock = $11,000 yearling purchase
Purchased October 2016
2 lifetime starts under "the stable"
October 2016 to September 2017 payments
earning on the track for "the stable" $320
off broadway, gratuity, master saver, road tripper, mckinnon, these are just the 3 year olds
i can continue, there are more........
11.wj
Sounds to me that you picked out a few bad ones LOL. Show me a barn that all horses make a profit. You sir apparently have a serious nut against the stable or Anthony.
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Sounds to me that you picked out a few bad ones LOL. Show me a barn that all horses make a profit. You sir apparently have a serious nut against the stable or Anthony.
Yep --- how many did Burke start with ? How about Takter or Br Brown..... all good, maybe the best in the business right now... How many did not turn a profit... Do you think their average purchase price is higher than the Stable ?
how about the bills ? Do you think these trainers charge more than the Stable ?
Not sure why many have a hard on for someone trying something different.....The industry is shrinking with owners, deep pocket guys going with about a dozen trainers..... Stake races that are filled with only two trainers. A regular Joe like myself, going to college, has a family, and I could afford to buy a couple % into a horse..... Seems like it something different, maybe work, maybe not....
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THEY HAVIN FUN AND NOT COMPLAINING SO WHATS THE HARM?
GLASSES NOT INCLUDED WITH MEMBERSHIP?
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The members who sold Swandre must be happy. Seven figures with many owners would still be nice return.
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i'm not giving my fucking money away
good luck
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Wiggles you can make that same argument with all big stables. More misses then hits. However it did seem the stable had good success in IN, OH, PA, and I don't follow ON that much to know. With pacer and trotters. There also succeeding at a top level in those sire programs without buying those high priced yearlings. Seems like by reports also the cost are a lot lower then your east coast training bills. As a owner you also get a weekly report via a video rundown of all the horses with weekly drone footage of them jogging down and then training down. I'm not sure how the big time trainers cater to their owners with being in the loop weekly and seeing your horse on the track. Maybe it's time for these trainers and there high cost monthly bills step up and offer the same. Then owners don't have to wait for qualifiers to work through the bs.
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Good trainers don’t have to offer
Discount bills
Anthony does because he is horrible
And only way to get clients
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Good trainers don’t have to offer
Discount bills
Anthony does because he is horrible
And only way to get clients
Being a good trainer isnt good enough for the future of the sport. Where will new owners come for these good trainers? The drones, videos, the small percentages, mobile apps is a step towards millenials.
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Good trainers don’t have to offer
Discount bills
Anthony does because he is horrible
And only way to get clients
they’re not really discount bills, A lot of trainers over charge everything tmbz1
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Good trainers don’t have to offer
Discount bills
Anthony does because he is horrible
And only way to get clients
The model is great to attract new blood and kids are having time of their life. Who gives a fuck if he's not Takter. You lose more money gambling than I spend watching my kid have fun. Who's smarter? What's your definition of a good trainer? Wallace can't win anymore but still a great trainer.
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You know I said we would kiss and make up. I take it back, you really are a piece of shit.. I won with a 2 year old Somebeachsomewher e tonight that would prbabably rip the the throat latch off any you ever raced. Your tone with others on here is pure shit.Grow up!
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ANYONE NEED A JOB?
Good evening,
I prepared a video Tuesday explaining our open house coming up on December 9th and some important infrastructure we are looking to implement here at thestable.ca.
We will be overhauling and upgrading all our operating systems and platforms.
I was worried I wasn't articulating myself well enough in regards to why exactly it was so important we impliment this. So I reached out to some of you looking for feedback. What I received was exactly what I was looking for:
*what was the cost
*how would it be paid for
*why do we need it
*where will the money be used
*how will it affect us
All great questions.
*The infrastructure to be put in place will cost $170,000 in 2019. Some of it is already in place.
* hiring a business lead will provide me more time to focus on horse management. This will enable me to further optimize the potential of the horses at TheStable.ca and thus deliver a better on site experience to both horses and clients.
* solidifying our internet presence will allow for a more intuitive and consistent experience for clients.
* updating your accounting software will improve accuracy and timing of bills.
These are only some of the jobs this person will handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XfYJLgy-o
Anthony
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Go on Shark Tank or dragons den tmbz1
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WAS THERE NOT A DRIVER WHO DID THAT IN CANADA A FEW YEARS AGO ON DRAGONS DEN AND INVESTOR TOOK IT ON THE CHIN LIKE MOST DO
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ANYONE NEED A JOB?
Good evening,
I prepared a video Tuesday explaining our open house coming up on December 9th and some important infrastructure we are looking to implement here at thestable.ca.
We will be overhauling and upgrading all our operating systems and platforms.
I was worried I wasn't articulating myself well enough in regards to why exactly it was so important we impliment this. So I reached out to some of you looking for feedback. What I received was exactly what I was looking for:
*what was the cost
*how would it be paid for
*why do we need it
*where will the money be used
*how will it affect us
All great questions.
*The infrastructure to be put in place will cost $170,000 in 2019. Some of it is already in place.
* hiring a business lead will provide me more time to focus on horse management. This will enable me to further optimize the potential of the horses at TheStable.ca and thus deliver a better on site experience to both horses and clients.
* solidifying our internet presence will allow for a more intuitive and consistent experience for clients.
* updating your accounting software will improve accuracy and timing of bills.
These are only some of the jobs this person will handle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XfYJLgy-o
Anthony
Sorry Anthony but this sounds like a cry for help. Investors are leaving and your freaking out
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field in motion it was nick boyd
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Sorry Anthony but this sounds like a cry for help. Investors are leaving and your freaking out
It sounds to me like they are growing and are putting a better infrastructure in place. I am not sure why there is so much negative towards him. How about attacking vip which seems like a better target to complain about. VIP is always over paying for horses, sending them to dirty trainers and charging high monthly training bills.
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field in motion it was nick boyd
OH YEAH THAT WAS THE GUY. HE STILL IN THE GAME?
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Sorry Anthony but this sounds like a cry for help. Investors are leaving and your freaking out
The only ones thestable.ca is good for is MacDonald and his wife.
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Nick Boyd, the king of kawartha Downs!!!
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The only ones thestable.ca is good for is MacDonald and his wife.
Yeah, the people who get to be around race horses for 100 dollars a share and 20 bucks a month Canadian, definitely not good for them. lol
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This isn't for me but if folks enjoy it I say let em have some fun. It's their $.
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1 suggestion I would have for the stable is to have James drive instead of Anthony.
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Nick Boyd, the king of kawartha Downs!!!
KING OF WHAT?
DOES THAT TRACK EVEN EXIST
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he owes doyle vans trans a lot of money
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stealing money
one share at a time
ngc3
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Having MacDonald purchase yearlings for himself separate from The Stable gave the appearance of not being in concert with his company. It's like, "Oh, this horse has some potential, I'll buy it for The Stable"; and Uh, "I really like this one. I'll keep it for myself". Bad optics.
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$170k INFRASTURCTURE 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2.
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Seems like at any percentage it is way too much for a Kodak if you ever get one. The betting line of 1-3 years theStable is 1-9 to fold.
Such haters! All this is being added for growth!!!!! 70 some yearlings. Ill take the plus side of those odds!
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Such haters! All this is being added for growth!!!!! 70 some Rodents. Ill take the plus side of those odds!
Bought a bunch of cheap trash to mark up to unsuspecting fools!!
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Where is the mark up? They purchase a horse it gets converted from US to Canadian on there site and you have to pay the 13% hst tax. Know some get marked up if they haven't sold out and have daily bills adding up after a month. Most or all syndication in the thoroughbred game charge a % mark up on any purchase yearling or private sale. I'm not even sure he charges a travel fee or fees for staying at the sales for 3-5 days. There are many trainers who do charge that on your monthly bill. Famous quote from a past trainer back home "no more freebies". Anyway I've jumped in to give it a try on more transparency with a drone view to watch them get there jog miles then training miles. Instead of "doing great for 6 months then after May 15th the wheels fall off. A owner never gets a fair look until that 1st qualifier. Race lines never lie.
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Bought a bunch of cheap trash to mark up to unsuspecting fools!!
I suppose Swandre was a rodent and the ones they had in the breeders events too.
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Where is the mark up? They purchase a horse it gets converted from US to Canadian on there site and you have to pay the 13% hst tax. Know some get marked up if they haven't sold out and have daily bills adding up after a month. Most or all syndication in the thoroughbred game charge a % mark up on any purchase yearling or private sale. I'm not even sure he charges a travel fee or fees for staying at the sales for 3-5 days. There are many trainers who do charge that on your monthly bill. Famous quote from a past trainer back home "no more freebies". Anyway I've jumped in to give it a try on more transparency with a drone view to watch them get there jog miles then training miles. Instead of "doing great for 6 months then after May 15th the wheels fall off. A owner never gets a fair look until that 1st qualifier. Race lines never lie.
Using facts just confuse them. lol
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Well WW it is a tough business no doubt. There is skepticism is all aspects of horse racing. I had 5% in a thoroughbred bought in Europe with a syndication and it was a big dollar purchase after a Group 2 win. Safe to say she had to race a couple more times with the old owning group combined and she pretty much sucked. Brought her to CA wasn't any better then put her into foal with a sire with 125k stud fee. Then sold her at auction for 300k. Only to find out just after it was a buy back. Who knows the real value. I had enough gave my 5% for nothing to stop the bleeding. This sport isn't all rosesby I like this direction just for the fact it may shake up other long entrenched trainers on how they do and handle business.
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In case anyone wants to see what kind of yearlings the stable.ca bought this year, check out the live video.
http://thestable.ca/watchlive/
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HOW ARE OWNERS GETTING BILLED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ?
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I was at the track the other night and while in the bar with a few guys I knew we were talking about the Stable and amongst us all who have been in the game a long time the consensus among us was if you get a good one in this game your lucky. Then a fellow who was listening near us said he got involved with Anthony right in the beginning and was in half a dozen and they all were no good and he got out. He said he took bigger pieces each time just on what Anthony said and it didn't make any difference they still were duds. He said it ended with an argument where Anthony said you got in and you lost, so what there was no guarantees. Like I said before knowing any of this that IMO this is not going to end well.
What part of what you said reaffirms your belief it will not end well?
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HOW ARE OWNERS GETTING BILLED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ?
I have not read anything about it being passed on to the owners.
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I have not read anything about it being passed on to the owners.
THAT’S BECAUSE HE FAILS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN HE CLAIMS HE SET OUT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM OWNERS.
IT WAS ONE OF THE FIVE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED.
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What is the difference between a corner hooker and Amy MacDonald? Answer is nothing there both the same they get busted while the pimp Anthony goes free.
That's just wrong. Whether or not you believe in what they're doing it's not cool to post derogatory comments like that
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yeah that's pretty low
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MODS SHOULD REMOVE THAT FROM THE POST THEY ARE QUICK TO PULL THE PLUG ON LESSER.
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Are there other decent fractional ownership groups out there?
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Without saying anything more let's just see how things fare out for theStable and in particular Anthony MacDonald and maybe those who did invest and got the shaft maybe they will have the balls to suck it up and let us know how things ended up. I know Stacey and his fractional ownership group don't want to talk about theStable.
after reading some of your comments....prett y sad & uncalled for to be honest
It is very simple...if you do not want to invest then don't..Nobody forcing you to buy into any of these horses..
I have enjoyed it on many levels...
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some interesting comments
truth somewhere in the middle
like any other investment do your due diligence and proceed with caution
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MODS SHOULD REMOVE THAT FROM THE POST THEY ARE QUICK TO PULL THE PLUG ON LESSER.
Yeah you mean like the Wizard78 posts that stay on the front page for days? Get real.
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your fees will go up again next year don't forget
11.wj
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Very short on grooms. needs lots of help is the word. Some crew rubbing seven horses and being asked to rub more.
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Iceman .... Please tell me the date, time and place you will have the balls to make a comment about Anthony's wife to his face. What a slimy, gutless piece of no good shit you are.
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Slim it's the other way around, he see's me and he fucks off the other way.
Why is that?
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heard Anthony doin a good job
couple ploppers have invested in
THE STABLE INC tmbz1 tmbz1..
NOT FOR ME BUT GOOD LUCK
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Slim it's the other way around, he see's me and he fucks off the other way.
Tim,
You're 70 years old, walk with a limp and got handicap license plates.
No one's running from you.
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Tim,
You're 70 years old, walk with a limp and got handicap license plates.
No one's running from you.
guys wearing diapers are dangerous
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Iceman ... If that's true, you should be able to put out the invite so i can watch. What night are you going to make him back down from you. Let me know, I'll be there to watch. For the record, I have no connection to Anthony at all. I would simply like to see a piece of crap get stomped.
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For the record, I have no connection to Anthony at all.
11.wj
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Dumbass guys hatin on everyone
I gotta threaten five thousand times on this worthless forum and I'm easy to find.
Yet not even a scratch..
These key board tuff guys funny.
Ice are you really 70abd wears depends
Just asking. Pls don't kick my ass ngc3
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Dumbass guys hatin on everyone
I gotta threaten five thousand times on this worthless forum and I'm easy to find.
Yet not even a scratch..
These key board tuff guys funny.
Ice are you really 70abd wears depends
Just asking. Pls don't kick my ass ngc3
might throw a dirty depends at you....
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might throw a dirty depends at you....
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 tmbz1
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Iceman .... Please tell me the date, time and place you will have the balls to make a comment about Anthony's wife to his face. What a slimy, gutless piece of no good shit you are.
Please. What are you going to do Anthony?
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Iceman ... If that's true, you should be able to put out the invite so i can watch. What night are you going to make him back down from you. Let me know, I'll be there to watch. For the record, I have no connection to Anthony at all. I would simply like to see a piece of crap get stomped.
You don't sound like a subhuman mongoloid at all.
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im invested
i was there for the open house
first class operation
when i want out of a horse its easy to get out
reasonable, well spelled out bills...
had a horse make the PASS final last year
dont be mad he made it work
he is helping save the sport
tmbz1
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Anthony fucked over someone close and had nothing to do with horses.
FUCK ALL THAT OTHER CRAP
DO YOU WHERE FUCKIN DEPENDS..
AND DONT TELL ME YOUR GONNA KICK MY ASS,,
MY UNCLE OWNS A DEPENDS COMPANY AND I'LL GET U CUT OFF
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Anthony fucked over someone close and had nothing to do with horses.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
cry me a river
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Ice old man piece of fuckin shit go change your depends big mouth
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THERE'S YOUR $170K FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
Good evening everyone,
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That is really just a fancy way of saying she will be helping me sail the ship, fly the plane and stir the Kool Aid. Kelly has been widely renowned for her work as the Manager Of Marketing & Communications at Grand River Raceway for the past 15 years and we are incredibly lucky to have her.
She shares our drive and enthusiasm, and fully recognises that we are reshaping horse racing, and paving the way forward for everyone behind us. Most importantly, she is customer-focused and understands the experience we are delivering to you, our valued clients. She was a 1% owner in White Tiger this year, so she truly comprehends #ownalittleloveitalot.
Kelly has been a part of our success behind the scenes for quite a while and is ready to hit the ground running with some major projects in the New Year.
Join me in welcoming her aboard at kelly@thestable.ca
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Wiggles .... Is that your personal connection to Anthony ?? Sad what some people will do for beer money.
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Fuck off Iceman you idiot. So full of shit. My kid is having the time of his life following "his" horse. He tells all his friends at school about it. Priceless experience for a few bucks. Such a miserable old man that can't cut it in the new world.
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With Burke, Weaver, Bruscemi and Sorella involved how many rats are going to be available for shares. Artsplace big deal your pimple faced kid has a share, probably in name only because in reality that's how you got into the game.
THEY ALL OWN HORSES IN THESTABLE?
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Yeah they bought 75% of Springbridge Proud which means their names are associated with TheStable and when no one is paying attention they will dump their duds and at least recover something.
wait what does this have to do with your close friend who got fucked over ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
seems like you know more then people in the stable. think a mac is in your head :1 :1
what a loser
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Yeah they bought 75% of Springbridge Proud which means their names are associated with TheStable and when no one is paying attention they will dump their duds and at least recover something.
INTERESTING BIT OF INFORMATION
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purple sheets, I think your comments are fairly accurate, not sure about the easy to sell out of a horse comment unless you undervalue the shares dramatically just to get out of the training bill
as for the rest , go buy 1 share of 1 horse and see behind the curtain for yourself , most of you can afford the $26 /month when in training
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Brown Jug .... I've looked behind the sheets of ownership and here's what I've found out ....
- many expensive yearlings never make back their trucking bill
- as many inexpensive yearlings make good money
- there are plenty in between
- judging horses from video and maybe a farm visit is fun to do, but not really important
- monster pedigrees bring big money and more often than not, fall into category 1 at the top
- if you love hanging around the training barn and the track, it is like being on a hockey team ... a great time
- if you got into the game to get rich, you're a fool
- anyone with a brain knows those are the rules, and there is no way around them
- if you love horses and get a thrill during a stretch drive even though your horse has probably spit the bit, get in
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Yeah they bought 75% of Springbridge Proud which means their names are associated with TheStable and when no one is paying attention they will dump their duds and at least recover something.
What business is it of yours what other people do with their money?
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Hey I don't give a rats ass what people do with their money. For the time being things will move along as it has for the investors because WEG along with Standardbred Canada which WEG controls promote it. When the positives start coming and Amy was already nailed and they become frequent then WEG will destroy TheStable with an end game and put distance between them and Anthony MacDonald.
But what's your beef? If you're not invested why do you care? Surely you have an agenda here
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you are not wrong slimshady
as I have said before it is what it is
go in with eyes wide open
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With Burke, Weaver, Bruscemi and Sorella involved how many rats are going to be available for shares. Artsplace big deal your pimple faced kid has a share, probably in name only because in reality that's how you got into the game.
don't forget the drivers with shares
that are in the same race driving other horses
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purple sheets, I think your comments are fairly accurate, not sure about the easy to sell out of a horse comment unless you undervalue the shares dramatically just to get out of the training bill
as for the rest , go buy 1 share of 1 horse and see behind the curtain for yourself , most of you can afford the $26 /month when in training
$26/month per share?
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I have owned multiple shares of multiple horses with them
And I've had no problem getting out whenever I wanted to.
On the same note yes I do ask a reasonable price when I do want to get out the same way I do for my other race horses when I want to get out I'm not one of these owners that asks for 10 times more than the horses worth
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I have owned multiple shares of multiple horses with them
And I've had no problem getting out whenever I wanted to.
On the same note yes I do ask a reasonable price when I do want to get out the same way I do for my other race horses when I want to get out I'm not one of these owners that asks for 10 times more than the horses worth
WIGGLES....CHRIST Y PANTALOOONOOOO WANTS TO KNOW WHEN YOU WILL PAY DAT VET BILL YOU STIFFED HER WITH. BETTER GET A UN-"DRAFT"-ED TO HER. STOOOOOOPID
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who gets the money when the horse is sold?
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who gets the money when the horse is sold?
The owners do, who else would?
Wait, you're going to say that the owners don't get it, right?
For people with no stake in this venture you know an awful lot that doesn't go on.
Obviously a personal vendetta of some sort
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CAPTAIN. YOU GOTS TO KNOW. BROTHER WIGGLES IS GEL-LOU'S IF EVERYONE. BROTHER WIGGLES WAS NEVER GOOD AT MUCH SPORTS. HE WENT UNDRAFTED
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The owners do, who else would?
Wait, you're going to say that the owners don't get it, right?
For people with no stake in this venture you know an awful lot that doesn't go on.
Obviously a personal vendetta of some sort
i guess i could buy a share of LincolnJames for $110.
how much would i have for the month of October?
$1.20?
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/1-4-19/need-education.html
Most trainers mean well and believe they can turn a profit. They're simply wrong.
TheStable.ca ladies and gentlemen
62za.clp
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/1-4-19/need-education.html
TheStable.ca ladies and gentlemen
62za.clp
Just lowering expectations and the reason to join. He puts roi statements in his brochure.
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/blog/anthony-macdonald/1-4-19/need-education.html
TheStable.ca ladies and gentlemen
62za.clp
We can't convince people to become fans of horse racing with the promise of Super Hi Five jackpots, and lower takeouts on the Win Fours. People in the general public don't care about those things.
Confirmed Clueless .
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Confirmed Clueless .
Are you saying guarantees make a difference?
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Are you saying guarantees make a difference?
They make more of an interest in betting--which actually drives the sport-than fractional ownership subsidized by slots.
I will agree with one thing Macdonald said--the marketing teams employed by the harness racing industry are horrendous. I can see one reason being that almost every job in harness racing is a nepotism hire. Like hiring someone who clearly knows next to nothing about social media as your 'social media marketing director'. If you cannot explain with CPC means or something basic like SEO--you shouldn't be hired for that position.
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Harness racing reminds me of poker rooms in vegas prior to rounders coming out. 7 sharks at the table and 1 fish. New blood has no shot. People complain about take outs but the issue is most bettors are veterans so your competing against other people who know what they are doing.
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I support fractional ownership and respect Anthony for being one of the biggest marketers, but getting caught doping took the shine off for me.
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..."getting caught for doping". He had a therapeutic overage, correct? I understand how it looks. How as soon as one sees a drug drug or medication violation, they assign the worst possible infraction. I would not throw out the only bright spot of growth in the industry for a minor infraction. Harness racing never was and never will be a pure sport. Those who demand it be , will always be disappointed.
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..."getting caught for doping". He had a therapeutic overage, correct?
making excuses
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Excusing what?
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harness is like sports
to compete and win the horses/athletes need the best help they can get in terms of supplements etc( note i did no say drugs) to train and perform at high levels
it is a fine line between what is an acceptable supplement and what is on the banned list in sports and racing
note i am not comparing supplements/vitamins etc to some of the more serious drug offences that take place
this is a general response on the topic not related to the stable per say
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Promoting entertainment is the wrong idea in my opinion. We hear a lot about our BUSINESS that needs to be self sustainable to a better extent. We are NOT entertainers. We are BUSINESS people. Promote that. Bring in big business people and they will have events at the track and explain the real business that we are in. Big business people love to throw money around. Let them throw it into out BUSINESS. the only ones making money is the Macdonald crew.... that doesn't look good for investors....
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FLIM FLAM MAN
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Trys to bring newbees in to RACING
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making excuses
Damn are you a complete moron or what!! You can't be Canadian ??
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Damn are you a complete moron or what!! You can't be Canadian ??
Because Canada is known for its great minds 73cv.2
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Because Canada is known for its great minds 73cv.2
Just look at me, I'm a genius.
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Just look at me, I'm a genius.
I take back everything!