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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Iliketowin on February 01, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
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Looks like they were selling more than horses. Huge fencing operation bust at his house.
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Looks like they were selling more than horses. Huge fencing operation bust at his house.
http://www.wfmj.com/story/34379964/ohio-doctor-to-plead-guilty-to-drug-tax-evasion-charges
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Am I looking in the wrong place? where is the connection to belcher?
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Am I looking in the wrong place? where is the connection to belcher?
That is weird~! I put in destiny farms, 11724 diehl road belcher in google that came up. every article has that in it and when you click, nothing on him?
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Rabobank and RocketSpace Announce Addition of Six Global ...
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... goods were discovered at Destiny Farms, 11724 Diehl Road in Ellsworth Township and ... Park Board President Steve Belcher tells 21 News that the park has ...
Ohio doctor to plead guilty to drug, tax evasion charges - WFMJ.com ...
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... goods were discovered at Destiny Farms, 11724 Diehl Road in Ellsworth Township and ... Park Board President Steve Belcher tells 21 News that the park has ...
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... goods were discovered at Destiny Farms, 11724 Diehl Road in Ellsworth Township and ... Park Board President Steve Belcher tells 21 News that the park has ...
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Who is Steve belcher?
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Who is Steve belcher?
says president of Destiny farms?
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http://www.wfmj.com/story/34380118/mahoning-sheriff-and-liberty-police-raid-stolen-goods-fencing-operation
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Who is Steve belcher?
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From Bobs Burgers
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http://www.wfmj.com/story/34380118/mahoning-sheriff-and-liberty-police-raid-stolen-goods-fencing-operation
Sure looks like ol Bobby B in that photo at the end of the video.
That's him alright. The bearding operation in Ohio is finally done. Looks like he might be going away for a long long time.
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Rumor around the flying turns is the FBI is involved and there are a few people heading for the hills. Josh Kash, Brian Loney, and Dave Bianconi were seen buying bus tickets out of town!
Better get HT on the phone
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Rumor around the flying turns is the FBI is involved and there are a few people heading for the hills. Josh Kash, Brian Loney, and Dave Bianconi were seen buying bus tickets out of town!
wait until they look at his financial records. Many people in the horse business are very nervous right now. HT can't help against the FBI.
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CANT WAIT TO SEE IF THE LOVELY MsO HAS A BOOK OR TWO TO WRITE ABOUT THIS FINDING
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And where was Smolin?
Sincerely, Silent One
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oh stop ..BOOBY couldn't hold a jockstrap for these fools 11.wp
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oh stop ..BOOBY couldn't hold a jockstrap for these fools 11.wp
That's no shit this wasn't no kiddie shit crimes here
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That's no shit this wasn't no kiddie shit crimes here
I'm not an attorney but it sounds like them maybe some going away for life type crimes.
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LIFE FOR FENCING STOLEN GOODS? 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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I'm not an attorney but it sounds like them maybe some going away for life type crimes.
They'll do time but I'm guessing 5yrs at the most .
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LIFE FOR FENCING STOLEN GOODS? 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
What about money laundering and income tax evasion?
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With the dam. state an federal judges
we have now adays ...ad another 5 years MAYBE to the fencing stolen
goods charge
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That's him alright. The bearding operation in Ohio is finally done. Looks like he might be going away for a long long time.
The pudgy happy one or the retarded confused one?
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Thanks. I've heard a lot of things about him, but had no clue who people were discussing. Based on that photo, and I know that is limited, it seems that what the majority were saying was probably very close to the truth.
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heard Josh Kash turned him in. Any truth?
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Anybody know who the other guy is? Is he in the horse business too?
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Looks like a Deyermand
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heard Josh Kash turned him in. Any truth?
No way of truly knowing but wouldn't put it past him. Especially if he was denied the cut he requested. He has threatened others for claiming his horses. Josh has a very elevated opinion of himself.
Before Belcher was thrown out of racing he was always in somebodies face because of his connection with the dirtbag Aldridge, at the time general manager at Northfield. It was rumored by some at the front side Aldridge had horses with Belcher under other owners names.
He threatened a 19 yr. old working at the track for talking to his daughter. Told the kid he would have him killed if he ever saw him near his daughter again. Got a real kick out of what the kid told me his response to blubbo Bob was. "You'd have to get someone to do your dirty work with the blubber attached to that frame, it's all you can do to waddle to and from that fancy truck of yours." That was before he got his stomach stapled. Belcher told a couple people at the track the Dr.'s told him he was a walking dead man.
Two weeks later when his daughter got her trainers license she got two positives at the Meadows. Her license was actually seven days old. To bad because she actually was a nice girl. Her mother did a good job of raising her. Mom finally got smart and kicked blubbo to the curb.
Belcher has always been a bully....always a cheat, always scum of the earth. I hope he has a nice long term in the clink with a "big billy bad ass" that likes the way he looks since his massive blubber loss.
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Two weeks later when his daughter got her trainers license she got two positives at the Meadows. Her license was actually seven days old. To bad because she actually was a nice girl. Her mother did a good job of raising her. Mom finally got smart and kicked blubbo to the curb.
Remember when Bob was sat on the bench, he got Fred licensed as a trainer and he was popped 3 or 4 times in a month at the Meadows.... Another short lived ngc3 career as a professional harness trainer
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Remember when Bob was sat on the bench, he got Fred licensed as a trainer and he was popped 3 or 4 times in a month at the Meadows.... Another short lived ngc3 career as a professional harness trainer
Certainly do recall it..... since you jogged my memory. Belcher got away with murder.
Also called up the 2 horses in a stall deal. Had any other trainer pulled that stunt Cookie would be on them flies on stink. Belcher got away with it. So now tell me he wasn't endowed by the front side.
Karmas' a bitch.
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Where is the esteemed MsO? Tell us again what a wonderful person Belcher is & how he was railroaded because of a bunch of jealous haters. Bob Belcher was & always will be a scumbag crook & plague on the industry. 91.jzail
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A couple of meadows trifecta tickets from the 90's remain uncashed. Judges had questions that couldn't be answered.
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Any legit update? Is he behind bars?
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Belcher never played by the rules in any aspect of his life. Stealing from your neighbors, farming community and the construction industry is as low as you can possibly go. Fuck you, Bob. I hope you rot in prison
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Belcher never played by the rules in any aspect of his life. Stealing from your neighbors, farming community and the construction industry is as low as you can possibly go. Fuck you, Bob. I hope you rot in prison
From what I have heard he has fucked a lot of people over the years. What goes around comes around and his time has come. The racing commission and tracks have let him race many horses even though he was barred. He had connections that always turned a blind eye even though they knew exactly what beards he was using. The sheriffs department/ FBI is not going to turn a blind eye. He's fucked literally and figuratively.
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One particular incidence in the Belcher horror dramas was the death of My Pleasure. As admitted by a former employee. My Pleasure had been in the field for over a year. He brought him in from the field, loaded him, had the Aussie take him out on the main track, told him train him as fast as he will go. He dropped dead right in front of the grandstand at the half. Actually laid on the track several hours. Killed for the insurance . I'm also sure there are many others who know of this story.
To all the creeps who were involved in Belchers dealings, profiting from his filth I hope your really satisfied with yourselves. You are as scum filled as he.
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This is a very sick individual! Hope he gets the book dropped on him this time fuck thrown at him!
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So who are all the scumbag beards for Bob Belcher? Past and present. Lets get a list going should make the handicapping easier. Will be nice to see these pieces of shit fall from grace.
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Loney
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Milner, I suspect Barry Langley, most likely Dowdall. Will be very interesting to see what stock backs up.
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The other question should be how hi up the ldder. this will go..
here at at burglerville
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The other question should be how hi up the ldder. this will go..
here at at burglerville
Bingo!
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The other question should be how hi up the ldder. this will go..
here at at burglerville
Pretty high is what I've been told. Just a matter of how badly or how high they want to look.
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One particular incidence in the Belcher horror dramas was the death of My Pleasure. As admitted by a former employee. My Pleasure had been in the field for over a year. He brought him in from the field, loaded him, had the Aussie take him out on the main track, told him train him as fast as he will go. He dropped dead right in front of the grandstand at the half. Actually laid on the track several hours. Killed for the insurance . I'm also sure there are many others who know of this story.
To all the creeps who were involved in Belchers dealings, profiting from his filth I hope your really satisfied with yourselves. You are as scum filled as he.
As sad as this story is, it's true. The man has stolen from everyone who has crossed his path. Again, fuck you, Bob.
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As sad as this story is, it's true. The man has stolen from everyone who has crossed his path. Again, fuck you, Bob.
So true and so many people feel the same way as your. What a great legacy he is leaving.
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So who are all the scumbag beards for Bob Belcher? Past and present. Lets get a list going should make the handicapping easier. Will be nice to see these pieces of shit fall from grace.
ONE OF THE GREATEST BELCHER BEARDS WHO KINDA GOT IT ALL STARTED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5_1J8Z5Z34
(TURN SPEAKERS UP LOUD!)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2f03wr8_th.jpg)
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Heard things at nfld. been quite untalkable. nobody wants to talk about it. many trainers scared
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Thats for sure last night on the backside was a quiet one
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It's common knowledge that he "assisted" many trainers at Northfield.
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Heard things at nfld. been quite untalkable. nobody wants to talk about it. many trainers scared
Especially your cobalt trainer im sure
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No Belcher tonight at Northfield. He is off all mounts as trainer.
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He's been off as trainer for years! Where have you been?
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He's been off as trainer for years! Where have you been?
He has been training many horses in Ohio behind the scenes, where have you been?
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Your comment ,he's off all mounts as trainer ,is what I was referring too,I know he has beards and they are still there
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Lney,hall they raced last night,known Belcher trainers
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Is anyone behind bars yet?
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any update? There are usually some Ohio plopsters that know what's going on in this circle. They have been pretty silent lately.
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Its been real quiet...
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Its been real quiet...
Do you think it's the calm before the storm?
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It depends..me i think it will be more of thieves and those who bought
n sold the merchandise that will be in trouble
as far as trainers/beards/ doping horses...not so much
as thats been common knpwledge for years..and racing commission
DID NOTHING!!
hopefully those hi up the food chain
at clevetuckey ate part of the buyin and sellin
the stolen goods and are busted
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Still awful quiet. Any updates?
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Nope! Im goin to axt around
today
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Nope! Im goin to axt around
today
They may be seeing how much cooperation they are getting to move up the food chain.
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Lets hope! tmbz1
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Lets hope! tmbz1
I'm wondering when an indictment will be given
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Lot of the equipment found at the farm wasn't stolen. Various broke trainers at the Meadows and Northfield dropped it off to hide and then it reported stolen for insurance reasons. Depending on how much Bob talks, how well the equipment can be traced, depends on who else gets implicated....... ........
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Lot of the equipment found at the farm wasn't stolen. Various broke trainers at the Meadows and Northfield dropped it off to hide and then it reported stolen for insurance reasons. Depending on how much Bob talks, how well the equipment can be traced, depends on who else gets implicated....... ........
What a mess this could turn into
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What a mess this could turn into
Party Information
BELCHER, ROBERT - DEFENDANT
Disposition
Disp Date
Address
11724 DIEHL RD
NORTH JACKSON, OH 44451
02/15/2018 JUDGMENT ENTRY FILED JUDGMENT ENTRY
SENTENCING ORDER
A PLEA HEARING WAS HELD ON THE 15TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2018, PRESENT WERE DEFENDANT, HIS COUNSEL EDWARD HARTWIG, AND ASSISTANT COUNTY PROSECUTOR KENNETH CARDINAL.
DEFENDANT PLED GUILTY TO THE CHARGE OF: RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY 2913.51(A) AND THE FORFEITURE SPECIFICATION OF $40,000.00.
THE COURT, HAVING FULLY ADVISED DEFENDANT OF THE EFFECT OF HIS PLEA PURSUANT TO CRIM. R. 11, NOW FINDS THAT THE PLEA WAS FREELY AND VOLUNTARILY MADE WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONSEQUENCES THEREOF. THE COURT FINDS THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS ADVISED OF HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND THAT HE UNDERSTOOD, WAIVED AND REJECTED THEM BEFORE ENTERING THE PLEA. THE COURT FINDS THAT DEFENDANT UNDERSTOOD THE EFFECT OF THIS PLEA AND THE COURT UPON ACCEPTANCE WILL IMMEDIATELY PROCEED WITH JUDGEMENT AND SENTENCING.
THE COURT ACCEPTS DEFENDANT'S PLEA OF GUILTY TO SAID CHARGE, AND SENTENCES THE DEFENDANT TO 180 DAYS IN THE MAHONING COUNTY JUSTICE CENTER, SUSPENDED, AND PLACES THE DEFENDANT ON COMMUNITY CONTROL FOR SIX (6) MOTHS SUBJECT TO GOOD BEHAVIOR; NON-REPORTING IS ORDERED ONCE THE DEFENDANT HAS REPORTED TO COMMUNITY CONTROL, PAYS THE FINE, COSTS, AND PROBATION FEES. DEFENDANT IS FINED $250.00 PLUS COSTS.
FURTHER ORDERED, THAT THE $40,000.00 IS FORFEITED TO THE SATE (MAHONING COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, MVLETF) TO BE DISTRIBUTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AND THE MAHONING COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW.
/S/ JUDGE D'APOLITO
02/15/2018 JUDGMENT ENTRY FILED JUDGMENT ENTRY ORDERING
FORFEITURE OF U.S. CURRENCY
DIVISION
IT IS THE ORDER OF THE COURT THAT THE FORFEITURE OF FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF FORTY THOUSAND ($40,000.00) DOLLARS SHALL BE DIVIDED BY AND BETWEEN THE OFFICE OF THE MAHONING COUNTY PROSECUTOR AND THE OFFICE OF THE MAHONING COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWS:
30%($12,000.00) TO THE MAHONING COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
70% ($28,000.00) TO THE MAHONING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
SO ORDERED
/S/ JUDGE D'APOLITO
02/15/2018 WAIVER OF RIGHTS UPON PLEA /S/DIANE VETTORI WAIVER OF RIGHTS UPON PLEA /S/JUDGE D'APOLITO
03/15/2018 JUDGMENT ENTRY FILED JUDGMENT ENTRY
AMENDED JUDGMENT ENTRY
ORDERING FORFEITURE
OF U.S. CURRENCY DIVISION
IT IS THE ORDER OF THE COURT THAT THE FORFEITURE OF FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF FORTY THOUSAND ($40,000.00) DOLLARS SHALL BE DIVIDED BY AND BETWEEN THE OFFICE OF THE MAHONING COUNTY PROSECUTOR AND THE OFFICE OF THE MAHONING COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWS:
30% ($12,000.00) TO THE MAHONING COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
35% ($14,000.00) TO THE MAHONING COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
35% ($14,000.00) TO LIBERTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
SO ORDERED
DATED: 03/15/2018
/S/ HON. JUDGE JOSEPH HOUSER
CC: ATTORNEY EDWARD HARTWIG
ASSISTANT PROSECUTOR KENNETH J. CARDINAL (FAX 330-781-6449)
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THANKS JACK. MISSY IS GONNA SHIT A BRICK. BUT AS USUAL, IT WILL SMELL LIKE LAVENDER. WONDER IF SHE IS PLANNING ON BEARDING HERSELF THIS TIME. INSTEAD OF FRED
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THANKS JACK. MISSY IS GONNA SHIT A BRICK. BUT AS USUAL, IT WILL SMELL LIKE LAVENDER. WONDER IF SHE IS PLANNING ON BEARDING HERSELF THIS TIME. INSTEAD OF FRED
Mr. Belcher violated the law by having others stealing property from his neighbors who are hardworking families in the farming community. There should have been stiffer penalties associated with this Belcher-lead theft ring that involved many victims.
Shame on you, Mr. B. >:(
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I thought the mid westerners were as clean as wind driven snow
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THANKS JACK. MISSY IS GONNA SHIT A BRICK. BUT AS USUAL, IT WILL SMELL LIKE LAVENDER. WONDER IF SHE IS PLANNING ON BEARDING HERSELF THIS TIME. INSTEAD OF FRED
Oh, right. I always forget how OTHER people are practically the same as being ME. Just like I could post Buck’s, Brian Brown’s or Melanie momma William’s positives to somehow relate you to them, because there are at least familial relations there, right? I haven’t because they’re extraneous without a direct link to YOU and YOUR actions like. I often wonder about how much you knew about the assault on my Pleasure that lead to his death being the reason you didn’t get involved as horseman’s the tape established you actively soliciting and procuring actors in crimes you had knowledge of in advance of them being conducted to both abuse animals and manipulate the result of a horse racerepresentative. But I guess you just made those positives and actions of your family relevant by making me the responsible party for the actions of others just now. This whole thing with Belcher pisses me off, anyway because he didn’t steal shit but admitted to buying what he suspected was a stolen lawn mower. The county, that had seized his own farm equipment he had payment books on and called it “stolen” for the purposes of creating this elaborate story of a crime syndicate or whatever, basically threatened him that if he didn’t pay them off, which rings to me of extortion, they’d prosecute for that stolen mower he BOUGHT from a kid who worked for him – a felony in itself. So he took that deal because to not was a gamble in and of itself.
See, though, see how I answer questions, AMY? And questions not even about ME and MY actions either. I’m not the one whose job I was a miserable, unaccountable failure at. And I'm not the one who IS actually answerable for something to other people that pay her. The day you actually start answering to anything I imagine will be the day. Might that be because you DON’T have good answers for anything YOU did? Are you still grateful to Jack for bringing this all up now? I bet you aren’t because it’s just one more example of how I answer, with honest, substantive and reasonable answers and you never do. Whatcha gonna use to deflect with now, huh huh huh? Maybe count how many times I used the words “Me” or “I” again? Um, the length of the post, maybe? Yeah, sure, because that’s almost worse than what you do that you don’t answer for. You can try to pretend like it is, anyway.
Or maybe deflect to Fred being a “beard” for the umpteenth time? That’s one you resort to a lot, though I’ve already answered and he was always forthcoming, even to tracks and commissions about. He knew it was crazy that he could still work his full time job, pay other people to do all the work and still be the trainer of record. But hey, those are the rules and if he was willing to jump through the hoops of travelling to tracks to warm horses up before races, open up the stable’s books and other records to the tracks, judges and commissions to show Belcher wasn't everyone was cool with it. Someone had to train and race those horses. But the thing is, nobody really cares who’s doing it. Get the rules changed if you have a problem, because he was following the ones there already are. But like I’ve said, just don’t forget it applies to everyone and they might not like it. tmbz1
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I think all horses should have an electronic I’d tag on their ear. It would be interesting to see how many race horses made a trip to belchers farm on race day on the way to the meadows or Northfield. For that matter any other barred trainer. It would be a step in the right direction.
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I think all horses should have an electronic I’d tag on their ear. It would be interesting to see how many race horses made a trip to belchers farm on race day on the way to the meadows or Northfield. For that matter any other barred trainer. It would be a step in the right direction.
Have you ever explained, in all your great rumor derived "wisdom", what explained his record UTRS years racing out of detention when the horses had to be on the grounds, and not shipped in from the farm, the night before any race? No. At least I sure don't recall that. But please do. We're all interested in hearing/reading it...
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Never forget the Sat nite he came to Btva Downs with Dave Hawk driving 6 in to go 6 win by the length of the track
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Never forget the Sat nite he came to Btva Downs with Dave Hawk driving 6 in to go 6 win by the length of the track
Oh noes! It's not like you're supposed to try and win with every horse you put on the track or anything. ::)
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Have you ever explained, in all your great rumor derived "wisdom", what explained his record UTRS years racing out of detention when the horses had to be on the grounds, and not shipped in from the farm, the night before any race? No. At least I sure don't recall that. But please do. We're all interested in hearing/reading it...
NO WE ARE NOT "ALL" INTERESTED. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF ONLY.
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Hey Dummy I was impressed by your boyfriend setting all sorts of records that night that still stand
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NO WE ARE NOT "ALL" INTERESTED. SPEAK FOR YOURSELF ONLY.
So you're just speaking for yourself in that case I assume. Okay, got it. tmbz1
Begging your pardon then. You’re not interested in hearing bb explain how the fact of racing out of that detention circumstance doesn’t directly contradict the claim that shipping in from the farm somehow helped Belcher’s statistics - a claim he’s responsible for? It seems more reasonable to ask why you wouldn’t be interested in that than unreasonable to assume you would. Something is seriously compromised about you in that case. My bad for assuming you were a rational, intellectually honest human being with a decent set of values, and including you in my assumption. You’re right; I should have made that exception. I have no idea whatever got into me. I guess I do know better.
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Hey Dummy I was impressed by your boyfriend setting all sorts of records that night that still stand
Which records? Please cite them.
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BOBBY BURP (EXCUSE ME) GETS BUSTED, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT WOULD SHUT THE BEARDED LADY UP, CONSIDERING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BURPS (EXCUSE ME) BUT ALAS NO. HE MUST HAVE BEEN SET UP, WITH PHONY NUMBERS. OF COURSE THAT IS IT. WITH FRIENDS LIKE BOB BURP(EXCUSE ME) WHO NEEDS ENEMAS.
HOPE HE GOTS YOU A WHACKWEEDER REAL CHEAP
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So you're just speaking for yourself in that case I assume. Okay, got it. tmbz1
Begging your pardon then. You’re not interested in hearing bb explain how the fact of racing out of that detention circumstance doesn’t directly contradict the claim that shipping in from the farm somehow helped Belcher’s statistics - a claim he’s responsible for? It seems more reasonable to ask why you wouldn’t be interested in that than unreasonable to assume you would. Something is seriously compromised about you in that case. My bad for assuming you were a rational, intellectually honest human being with a decent set of values, and including you in my assumption. You’re right; I should have made that exception. I have no idea whatever got into me. I guess I do know better.
IM NOT INTERESTED BECAUSE I GOT MY OWN STUFF TO WORRY ABOUT, IM A CROOK FROM WAY BACK...
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BOBBY BURP (EXCUSE ME) GETS BUSTED, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT WOULD SHUT THE BEARDED LADY UP, CONSIDERING HER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BURPS (EXCUSE ME) BUT ALAS NO. HE MUST HAVE BEEN SET UP, WITH PHONY NUMBERS. OF COURSE THAT IS IT. WITH FRIENDS LIKE BOB BURP(EXCUSE ME) WHO NEEDS ENEMAS.
HOPE HE GOTS YOU A WHACKWEEDER REAL CHEAP
Still waiting to hear you explain the tape on which you can be heard admitting to soliciting the assistance of that same awful person, who turned you down not wanting that association to YOU, and provoking your ire that kept you from representing him ever - including when our horse was assaulted and killed that both the track and Commission tried covering up and did - in breaking a few laws YOURSELF to abuse a horse by shocking it thereby manipulating its race performance and outcome of a race. Which of your family members or other horseman, afraid to turn you down, did it for your husband instead? Keep it up lady, I could do this to your hearts' content. I have all kinds of words for you. And we know it's true too ;D
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Still waiting to hear you explain the tape on which you can be heard admitting to soliciting the assistance of that same awful person, who turned you down not wanting that association to YOU, and provoking your ire that kept you from representing him ever - including when our horse was assaulted and killed that both the track and Commission tried covering up and did - in breaking a few laws YOURSELF to abuse a horse by shocking it thereby manipulating its race performance and outcome of a race. Which of your family members or other horseman, afraid to turn you down, did it for your husband instead? Keep it up lady, I could do this to your hearts' content. I have all kinds of words for you. And we know it's true too ;D
I THOUGHT I WAS ON THE TAPE? :P
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Let Amy answer...
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Still waiting to hear you explain the tape on which you can be heard admitting to soliciting the assistance of that same awful person, who turned you down not wanting that association to YOU, and provoking your ire that kept you from representing him ever - including when our horse was assaulted and killed that both the track and Commission tried covering up and did - in breaking a few laws YOURSELF to abuse a horse by shocking it thereby manipulating its race performance and outcome of a race. Which of your family members or other horseman, afraid to turn you down, did it for your husband instead? Keep it up lady, I could do this to your hearts' content. I have all kinds of words for you. And we know it's true too ;D
ALL THIS TALK ABOUT TAPE AND LAST NIGHT, THE DISC. IF YOU AXE ME. ALL FAKE NEWS, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SOURCE WHEN YOU READ STUFF, AND YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA. KEEP UP WITH THE'COVER UP' STORY, IN YOUR CASE IT IS AS BAD AS THE CRIME ITSELF DEARIE
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ALL THIS TALK ABOUT TAPE AND LAST NIGHT, THE DISC. IF YOU AXE ME. ALL FAKE NEWS, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SOURCE WHEN YOU READ STUFF, AND YOUR CREDIBILITY IS ZERO, ZIPPO, NADA. KEEP UP WITH THE'COVER UP' STORY, IN YOUR CASE IT IS AS BAD AS THE CRIME ITSELF DEARIE
What has negated my credibility again? I must have missed that part. Answer the questions.
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Nothing more hilarious than one dirty horseman calling another dirty horseman a crook! tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
But don't let my amusement stop you. tmbz1
Spilling the beans on each other is what plops is all about! tmbz1 hcx.1
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Nothing more hilarious than one dirty horseman calling another dirty horseman a crook! tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
But don't let my amusement stop you. tmbz1
Spilling the beans on each other is what plops is all about! tmbz1 hcx.1
Hold on. Back it up just a second. You best not be including me in that. She only wishes she had something on me. It’ll never happen. Not now, not ever. Plenty of rumors abound, sure. Many likely started by her, too. She has no other defense than to deflect by trying to attack my “credibility”, with nothing that’s about me. Or if it is about or related to me, then nothing pertaining to the subject and its merits. After which she’ll then tell you I have no “credibility”, because, of course, she says so. So it must be true, right? The hope I guess being anyone will fall for that. Of course nobody ever challenges her, so maybe they do. I have to consider that possibility, but it’s still dumb. However, I’ve always answered to every last accusation that might have bearing on my credibility or motivation to lie. The same cannot be said about her. Everyone should ask themselves why that would be.
What I’m saying aren’t rumors at all but my own experience with her and her husband’s practices that I can substantiate. I have a tape recording of her admissions. Plus there’s a documented corroborative fine and suspension of driver Randy Tharps’ getting caught with a cattle prod on Northfield Park grounds around the same time that he stated belonged to the Hollar’s. That’s more than enough to support what I’m reporting.
As far as the horse being assaulted goes, it was assaulted; there are pictures, a video of its necropsy and plenty of horsemen, security and vets still around remembering it all. Head of track security, Elmer Moody told us the day it happened he was calling the police. The OSRC sent out an investigator as well. But all they ever investigated was the track’s conclusion the horse did it to himself. Which was nonsense on its face, not even following with the injury itself, nor could it have been a plausible consideration. By the time I found out the police had never been called and went myself to file a report I was told too much time had passed and too many people had interfered already for them to conduct a meaningful investigation, which amounted to obstruction by the track and OSRC as far as I was concerned. Not Amy and not anyone else in the OHHA ever did a damn thing about any of it either. Except make excuses for its cover-up and advance the track’s story, that is. I never had a problem with, knew she existed or was even on a damn message board before that went down. Was that an example of what happens to horsemen who don’t cooperate with Amy when she requests their “services”? I don’t know, but you have to admit it’s a suspicious confluence of events.
Because me, my husband and our friends are not horsemen anymore, we don’t have any fucks to give and are some of the very few that you’ll be able to hear about her, the track, judges and Commission alike from. And that is precisely why horsemen should never be allowed to be judges or representatives of the horsemen.
She’s already shown here that her first instinct is to defame and attack anyone that challenges or exposes her. Imagine if I was a horseman with something to lose. There’s no way you’d be hearing about it or the integrity of any of the authorities involved from someone who had anything to lose. I know that after I went to the paper about the attack on the horse, its death and nothing being done about it my trainer was threatened by track GM Tom Aldrich in a blow up over it though. What does anyone suppose a horseman’s chances are of demanding more of their representation than she is capable of or willing to perform, possibly because they didn’t cave to demands she had made of them? And what’s to keep Northfield Park Management from threatening her that they “no longer wish to do business with” her husband if she took a line against them when representing the horsemen? For that reason it seems to me track management has a compelling interest in keeping her in that position when she’s as compliant a puppet as she’s already proven herself to be, which puts horsemen themselves in a compromised position. What are the chances any other horseman or woman is going to demand more from her or risk exposing her and her husband’s operation with that being the case? When the track and racing commission both obstructed investigations into the assault on our horse and there was no OHHA representation, it makes me highly suspicious of her interest in protecting the perpetrator and both her and her husband’s security in their livelihoods there. That potential should never be permitted to have to be a consideration anyone has to make or fear.
But how does an entirely unrelated story about Bob Belcher now that has absolutely nothing to do with or involve me compromise my credibility on the story about the horse, her inaction, or the tape recording of her admission that she had previously asked Bob to take a horse of her husband’s to Belcher’s farm and shock it, anyway? You’re a dumb fuck if you believe that it does is about all that I can tell you.
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Hold on. Back it up just a second. You best not be including me in that. She only wishes she had something on me. It’ll never happen. Not now, not ever. Plenty of rumors abound, sure. Many likely started by her, too. She has no other defense than to deflect by trying to attack my “credibility”, with nothing that’s about me. Or if it is about or related to me, then nothing pertaining to the subject and its merits. After which she’ll then tell you I have no “credibility”, because, of course, she says so. So it must be true, right? The hope I guess being anyone will fall for that. Of course nobody ever challenges her, so maybe they do. I have to consider that possibility, but it’s still dumb. However, I’ve always answered to every last accusation that might have bearing on my credibility or motivation to lie. The same cannot be said about her. Everyone should ask themselves why that would be.
What I’m saying aren’t rumors at all but my own experience with her and her husband’s practices that I can substantiate. I have a tape recording of her admissions. Plus there’s a documented corroborative fine and suspension of driver Randy Tharps’ getting caught with a cattle prod on Northfield Park grounds around the same time that he stated belonged to the Hollar’s. That’s more than enough to support what I’m reporting.
As far as the horse being assaulted goes, it was assaulted; there are pictures, a video of its necropsy and plenty of horsemen, security and vets still around remembering it all. Head of track security, Elmer Moody told us the day it happened he was calling the police. The OSRC sent out an investigator as well. But all they ever investigated was the track’s conclusion the horse did it to himself. Which was nonsense on its face, not even following with the injury itself, nor could it have been a plausible consideration. By the time I found out the police had never been called and went myself to file a report I was told too much time had passed and too many people had interfered already for them to conduct a meaningful investigation, which amounted to obstruction by the track and OSRC as far as I was concerned. Not Amy and not anyone else in the OHHA ever did a damn thing about any of it either. Except make excuses for its cover-up and advance the track’s story, that is. I never had a problem with, knew she existed or was even on a damn message board before that went down. Was that an example of what happens to horsemen who don’t cooperate with Amy when she requests their “services”? I don’t know, but you have to admit it’s a suspicious confluence of events.
Because me, my husband and our friends are not horsemen anymore, we don’t have any fucks to give and are some of the very few that you’ll be able to hear about her, the track, judges and Commission alike from. And that is precisely why horsemen should never be allowed to be judges or representatives of the horsemen.
She’s already shown here that her first instinct is to defame and attack anyone that challenges or exposes her. Imagine if I was a horseman with something to lose. There’s no way you’d be hearing about it or the integrity of any of the authorities involved from someone who had anything to lose. I know that after I went to the paper about the attack on the horse, its death and nothing being done about it my trainer was threatened by track GM Tom Aldrich in a blow up over it though. What does anyone suppose a horseman’s chances are of demanding more of their representation than she is capable of or willing to perform, possibly because they didn’t cave to demands she had made of them? And what’s to keep Northfield Park Management from threatening her that they “no longer wish to do business with” her husband if she took a line against them when representing the horsemen? For that reason it seems to me track management has a compelling interest in keeping her in that position when she’s as compliant a puppet as she’s already proven herself to be, which puts horsemen themselves in a compromised position. What are the chances any other horseman or woman is going to demand more from her or risk exposing her and her husband’s operation with that being the case? When the track and racing commission both obstructed investigations into the assault on our horse and there was no OHHA representation, it makes me highly suspicious of her interest in protecting the perpetrator and both her and her husband’s security in their livelihoods there. That potential should never be permitted to have to be a consideration anyone has to make or fear.
But how does an entirely unrelated story about Bob Belcher now that has absolutely nothing to do with or involve me compromise my credibility on the story about the horse, her inaction, or the tape recording of her admission that she had previously asked Bob to take a horse of her husband’s to Belcher’s farm and shock it, anyway? You’re a dumb fuck if you believe that it does is about all that I can tell you.
YOU ARE NOT EVEN ON THE TRACK ANYMORE...MOVE ON!!!
GIVE THIS SHIT A REST tmbz1 U SLEEP BETTER.....THIS IS VINDICTIVE HISTORY
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK EXCEPT YOU. ACCEPT IT.....STOP DENYING IT
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Anybody who supports Belcher in any way is a complete asshole! End of story. He is one of the biggest POS in the business ever!
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YOU ARE NOT EVEN ON THE TRACK ANYMORE...MOVE ON!!!
GIVE THIS SHIT A REST tmbz1 U SLEEP BETTER.....THIS IS VINDICTIVE HISTORY
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK EXCEPT YOU. ACCEPT IT.....STOP DENYING IT
So then don't read it. What interest do you have in protecting her, anyway? You sure run a lot of interference for her if you don't. Because it's not vindictive any more than posting the story about Bob Belcher to attack me is and you're silent about that. No more vindictive than her attacking me and raising the issue herself is, btw.
In fact, it's about justice for a horse that was killed, horsemen not getting representation, being threatened, and intimidated. And about the people responsible still being on race tracks.
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Anybody who supports Belcher in any way is a complete asshole! End of story. He is one of the biggest POS in the business ever!
How so? I'll hear you out. Tell me what qualifies him for that distinction. Be specific.
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So then don't read it. What interest do you have in protecting her, anyway? You sure run a lot of interference for her if you don't. Because it's not vindictive any more than posting the story about Bob Belcher to attack me is and you're silent about that. No more vindictive than her attacking me and raising the issue herself is, btw.
In fact, it's about justice for a horse that was killed, horsemen not getting representation, being threatened, and intimidated. And about the people responsible still being on race tracks.
GET OVER YOURSELF....THREA D WAS STARTED TO MENTION A FENCING OPERATION INVOLVING BELCHER (POSSIBLY)..HAD ZERO TO DO WITH YOU. TRY READING THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD...DO YOU SEE YOUR NAME ANYWHERE?
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GET OVER YOURSELF....THREA D WAS STARTED TO MENTION A FENCING OPERATION INVOLVING BELCHER (POSSIBLY)..HAD ZERO TO DO WITH YOU. TRY READING THE FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD...DO YOU SEE YOUR NAME ANYWHERE?
Exactly, “was started”... back when again? About “someone not even on the track anymore” Or isn’t that a relevant interjection, after all? And not even, as it turns out a "fencing operation". But brought back to the fore because why? If the issue you take is honestly with ‘vindictiveness’, then this BEING a story of true vindictiveness (an assault on an animal and failed representation by an association, etc), shouldn’t you at least show equal if not the greater due condemnation of it and her attacks on me (“stage names”, “non disclosure agreements” blah, blah, unrelated stories about people not myself, etc) in the present tense in order to keep it from being heard; with which you’re helping to advance? Because if not, then I might suggest that perhaps you don’t sincerely have any issues with ‘vindictiveness’ at all.
I never quite understand why the same people who purportedly seem to care and are outraged by “cheating” or even animal abuse are never affected by this story. Are they just being histrionic, disingenuous, liars or are their ethics entirely situational and can’t really be taken seriously, like ^^TTitans1^^ up there?
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He was nothing more than a horse abuser. He and his family all lost their licenses because of it. He didn`t even sit behind the horses to warm up. He couldn`t train a horse straight up if his life depended on it!
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Only 2 kinds of people would defend this guy. Either you made money of of his actions or you`re just a complete retard! Which one are you MSO?
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He was nothing more than a horse abuser. He and his family all lost their licenses because of it. He didn`t even sit behind the horses to warm up. He couldn`t train a horse straight up if his life depended on it!
Abuse how? Like attempting to cut the ear off of a horse abuse, or shocking them with cattle prods abuse that doesn't seem to affect you? "Didn't even sit behind to warm up" makes him an abuser how? He was a driver before he was a trainer, incidentally. Or are you saying that any trainer employing a second trainer or grooms to warm up horses aren't legitimate trainers and abusers; and all it takes to legitimize a trainer is in fact warming horses up before races? Because, okay. Cool.
Jenny's positive was erased from the record of her license for another thing. And between her WITH that now non-existent positive, Bob and their daughter, they collectively have fewer medication violations than The Hollar/Brown/Williams family, btw. So are they also abusers, and you an asshole for defending them now, btw? Be fucking consistent, because that makes you, I guess, a retard, complicit, utter hypocrite and/or all of the above.
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Or 3, which is you, retarded and must have made money off of his bullshit! I`ve forgotten more than you know about the business you silly bitch!
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Hey asshole, don`t forget to count all the beard positives in there as well! There`s a reason the clown hasn`t been allowed on any track in the country for years!
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Hey asshole, don`t forget to count all the beard positives in there as well! There`s a reason the clown hasn`t been allowed on any track in the country for years!
Sorry, yes. That was including my husband's bullshit blackbox out of a detention barn that I've discussed numerous times already. But I thought we've already established that his warming up horses before races legitimized him as a legitimate trainer of record and not a beard, no?
And yes, he hasn't been allowed on a track in years because he's doing other things and hasn't so much as asked to be "allowed", silly bitch. tmbz1 You're getting apoplectic for a reason and I doubt it's because of how much you know.
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There`s a lot more Belcher beards than whoever your husband is but hey, there you go, you make money off of Belcher if your husband is one of them. You must have worked for him too then no? Tell me this, how many times did you hold the head of a horse to get tubed and needles stuck in him then? Quite a few, no?
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Yea. he`s doing other things alright! Stealing is a hell of a gig! LOL
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Everyone remembers the 'My pleasure' incident very well, where were the cameras back then? Everyone had cameras then too, isn't that how they proved someone flooded his barn? But to put all this 'he said-she said' nonsense aside, BATAVIA 24 sums it up best! These are the memories most have of those years, sorry, but THOSE, facts, records, memories, all speak for themselfs, so MSO can argue her spotless reputation all you want, regardless, you can't take back those records, ect, ABOID holdding track records to this day? On his own trainers merit? LMAO!, sorry,,,, and as far as Belcher supporters go? He's always going to have them, lets face it, people like him, it's just his ways, that nobody likes, or his (alleged) ways, but honestly, you all have the answers for everything! this dauntless amount of arguing over how great you all are and have never done nothing wrong, really just makes you both look bad, whoever the damn parties are, nobody really cares anymore, it has all gotten sooooo old by now, this is just another subject thread you all have totally Hi-jacked, to get more attention, really love how you all tore up the gary speiss thread, he would be very proud! 😂 you all look just like SWOODALL said...your all just rehashing the Jokes you all were back then...
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Everyone remembers the 'My pleasure' incident very well, where were the cameras back then? Everyone had cameras then too, isn't that how they proved someone flooded his barn? But to put all this 'he said-she said' nonsense aside, BATAVIA 24 sums it up best! These are the memories most have of those years, sorry, but THOSE, facts, records, memories, all speak for themselfs, so MSO can argue her spotless reputation all you want, regardless, you can't take back those records, ect, ABOID holdding track records to this day? On his own trainers merit? LMAO!, sorry,,,, and as far as Belcher supporters go? He's always going to have them, lets face it, people like him, it's just his ways, that nobody likes, or his (alleged) ways, but honestly, you all have the answers for everything! this dauntless amount of arguing over how great you all are and have never done nothing wrong, really just makes you both look bad, whoever the damn parties are, nobody really cares anymore, it has all gotten sooooo old by now, this is just another subject thread you all have totally Hi-jacked, to get more attention, really love how you all tore up the gary speiss thread, he would be very proud! 😂 you all look just like SWOODALL said...your all just rehashing the Jokes you all were back then...
I KNEW I WAS A CROOK BUT THEY DENY
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Hey asshole, don`t forget to count all the beard positives in there as well! There`s a reason the clown hasn`t been allowed on any track in the country for years!
Well stated. Name any Ohio trainer that has been completely barred for 10+ years. The list is very short. Why is that? Are there any? Just curious.
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There`s a lot more Belcher beards than whoever your husband is but hey, there you go, you make money off of Belcher if your husband is one of them. You must have worked for him too then no? Tell me this, how many times did you hold the head of a horse to get tubed and needles stuck in him then? Quite a few, no?
Hey asshole, don`t forget to count all the beard positives in there as well! There`s a reason the clown hasn`t been allowed on any track in the country for years!
Yea. he`s doing other things alright! Stealing is a hell of a gig! LOL
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Aww, I exasperate you, huh? I can tell. But there, there. It’ll be okay.
However, not I or anyone else is paying 25, 30, 50…75k for any horse anyone is going to “stick needles, tubes into” etc, to win 25 claimers, open or invite at Northfield Park though. Honestly, you’re a real idiot if that’s what you believe. And as far as I can tell, I’m the only one here upset about the documented abuse of My Pleasure that went unanswered for, contradicting your little implication there that 1. I didn’t care about the treatment of any animal, participating in abuse; and 2. That you did and do soooo much.
You’re going to have to fill me in on who those beard people are supposed to be and what their association with Belcher is rumored as being. My guess is there’s a reason you aren’t naming names or their respective violations. And it's probably because they don't exist outside of your imagination.
One purchase of a stolen lawn mower does neither stealing nor a “fencing operation” make, however. The items listed in that article were in fact Bob Belcher’s own property. He has since been given all of it back, minus the $40,000 extorted from him, of course. It kept the county from having to admit their own wrong-doing, though, right? So, justice. I guess. I stipulated, as did he, that the purchase of stolen property was itself a crime and wrong. But again, he did not steal nor procure its theft. If you’re going to fake outrage, at least get the facts straight and be outraged by details that are accurate, truthful and comport with reality. Or hell, be consistently outraged in a way that doesn’t compromise your credibility. Because if “procurement of a criminal activity from the past” is what is upsetting to you… because we’re not all being required to accept and move on from the past by Fatboy apparently, shouldn’t you maaaybe, posssibly be outraged by Amy’s taped admission that’s what she, not Belcher, SHE in fact ACTUALLY attempted to do, instead of yourself attempting to minimize with this obsequious deference you’re paying her by ignoring it when SHE does it? Not even a legitimate minimization, though either, and simply because the accurate details are not exactly to your liking or in line with the version of the story you’d rather believe? There’s a term for that affliction and it’s called cognitive bias. Accept it and stop being so “vindictive”. I only hope that you and Fatboy can make out the derision in my tone there, too.
And if “defending Belcher“ therefore makes me an “asshole”, wouldn’t the same have to hold true of anyone else for “defending” Amy, et al? Because make no mistake about it, steering the focus away from her and not commenting on any of that yourself is absolutely tantamount to defending her. Where’s the consistency and credibility? Hey, I’m just using the same “logic” being thrown at me. I “defend”, in fact, what I think is right and truthful and substantive. I’ve “defended” people I don’t know; Amy Hollar herself in fact, too, on what was the original iteration of horseplop even. Not because I liked her, far from it. Because I thought it was the right thing to do in the particular circumstance. So, so much for any “vindictive” accusations from earlier on. You can say a lot about me – some of it may even be true, too. But at least my principles are consistent and don’t vacillate or waver depending on the situation, my personal feelings about the person at subject, or whatever direction the wind just happens to be blowing that day.
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Everyone remembers the 'My pleasure' incident very well, where were the cameras back then? Everyone had cameras then too, isn't that how they proved someone flooded his barn? But to put all this 'he said-she said' nonsense aside, BATAVIA 24 sums it up best! These are the memories most have of those years, sorry, but THOSE, facts, records, memories, all speak for themselfs, so MSO can argue her spotless reputation all you want, regardless, you can't take back those records, ect, ABOID holdding track records to this day? On his own trainers merit? LMAO!, sorry,,,, and as far as Belcher supporters go? He's always going to have them, lets face it, people like him, it's just his ways, that nobody likes, or his (alleged) ways, but honestly, you all have the answers for everything! this dauntless amount of arguing over how great you all are and have never done nothing wrong, really just makes you both look bad, whoever the damn parties are, nobody really cares anymore, it has all gotten sooooo old by now, this is just another subject thread you all have totally Hi-jacked, to get more attention, really love how you all tore up the gary speiss thread, he would be very proud! 😂 you all look just like SWOODALL said...your all just rehashing the Jokes you all were back then...
Umm… Sigh. Who flooded whose barn? And what the what about cameras are you saying? What does that even mean, prove or bear reference to? There are pictures and a video of Pleasure’s injury though alright, like I said. So what are you talking about? What would pictures have “proved”? What did they prove? You were really upset about that attack though, I’ll bet. I can tell. And also about the OHHA never doing a thing about it, too. Right? Tell me about how angry you were, and what you argued about it then. Dazzle me.
Batavia, though? Are you sure that was Fred? It wasn’t. I’m pretty sure that was Jenny, no? And I think, if memory serves, though I could be wrong, she only raced there for a week or two before being denied entries for no reason. All her owners, myself included, had applied for our licenses after getting temporary ones, and then when the entries were denied suspended the process only to receive sanctions for NOT continuing. It was beyond bizarre. I don’t believe we got the application fees back either. Anyway, I’m still waiting for a list of these records that are supposedly still holding strong so I can compare the outrageousness of the performance of the horses in question to the fields they were racing, their class, previous and succeeding miles… If they even exist, that is.
Can someone, seriously anyone please try attempting a coherent argument that cites relevant facts and doesn’t amount to “dauntless” amounts of “hey, dumb-dumb head. It’s true because I said so and it’s what I really really want to believe”? It gets frustrating when you can’t dispute good arguments that you apparently very much do care about, despite claiming “nobody cares any more”, huh? Facts and truth; however, actually deserve and warrant certain amounts of courage and resolve. Why would anyone who wasn't a spineless cunt back down or away from that? But nice try at the attempt to make it sound like a bad thing. 73cv.2
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Well stated. Name any Ohio trainer that has been completely barred for 10+ years. The list is very short. Why is that? Are there any? Just curious.
Let's also include TTitans1 on this for good measure too...
He’s not entertained the idea of training again to my knowledge, let alone tried. So I’m not really sure how that amounts to being “barred”. Explain please. How is that, do you figure? And besides, with all of those “beards”, who would need to? I’m not sure why he runs the farm, and works either of the other businesses they have if that’s the case. But your story is pretty good. So by all means, you stick with it. It probably bothers you a lot more to believe that's the case and he's gotten away with and profited greatly for "10+ years", so I'll leave you to it. Not like it's possible to disprove a negative anyway...
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Just a joke, like the good old days 😉
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Just a joke, like the good old days 😉
And those 'ABOID' records supposedly at Batavia again? I must have missed the part where you aren't a joke...
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No, your still a LAUGHING STOCK , and you never stop, it's Hysterical! I know nothing about Freds records, other then he sure had them at one time , WOOT WOOT!, No one cares now, why do you keep coming on here defending after all these years? Do you think it will change what EVERYONE thinks about you? I have never heard of anyone wanting to use Belchers barn to shock a horse, even so, EVER BEEN HIT BY A ELECTRIC FENCE,? i'm not saying i go around shocking horses and it's ok, but by all standards, really?! Your argument is a bit futile, perhaps these 'cattle prods' are extra strong? I dont know, but the dog training centers do it, while training dogs all the time, witch, i'm totally against, by the way, Electric in ground dog fence? And of course the good old Electric horse/cow fence? My point is simply you keep bringing up some sort of tape recording ? Of people wanting to shock their horse??? Really seems miniscule , compared to the arguments at hand, tmbz1 like it's all you got, so your gonna keep going with it, LMAO, 😄😄😄, it's just funny...And poor My Pleasure, i remember when everyone felt sorry for that horse way before his ear was ever cut! You are just to Nacississtic to hear whats being said, then and now, and also by the way,,,, is what your trying to say above , that Belcher is NOT training horses? At all? And he's not Barred? Is that what your saying, because if so, thats really interesting, it's funny your not smart enough to epwalj away, when you had the chance, hasn't anyone ever told you, it's not a good thing to talk to much? angbk angbk angbk -Holy Shit, Honestly, YOU ARE SO EXHAUSTING, endless ...
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It's funny MSO, You always pretend to be sooo educated with your long, long, long, long, long, long, long, come backs, but yet your not smart enough to just stop talking? The more you talk the worse you make yourself, and ALL your arguments look, but hay, who am i to say you look like a JOKE, ? And why are you using the word CUNT?!, is it better then Slut? Less demeaning? Less Womanizing? You went to town, on some people for calling others a Slut, but it's ok, to call whomever a Spineless Cunt? Well, thats not a Hypocrite, now is it? 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 someone may kill themselfs because you called them a Spineless Cunt!
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Umm… Sigh. Who flooded whose barn? And what the what about cameras are you saying? What does that even mean, prove or bear reference to? There are pictures and a video of Pleasure’s injury though alright, like I said. So what are you talking about? What would pictures have “proved”? What did they prove? You were really upset about that attack though, I’ll bet. I can tell. And also about the OHHA never doing a thing about it, too. Right? Tell me about how angry you were, and what you argued about it then. Dazzle me.
Batavia, though? Are you sure that was Fred? It wasn’t. I’m pretty sure that was Jenny, no? And I think, if memory serves, though I could be wrong, she only raced there for a week or two before being denied entries for no reason. All her owners, myself included, had applied for our licenses after getting temporary ones, and then when the entries were denied suspended the process only to receive sanctions for NOT continuing. It was beyond bizarre. I don’t believe we got the application fees back either. Anyway, I’m still waiting for a list of these records that are supposedly still holding strong so I can compare the outrageousness of the performance of the horses in question to the fields they were racing, their class, previous and succeeding miles… If they even exist, that is.
Can someone, seriously anyone please try attempting a coherent argument that cites relevant facts and doesn’t amount to “dauntless” amounts of “hey, dumb-dumb head. It’s true because I said so and it’s what I really really want to believe”? It gets frustrating when you can’t dispute good arguments that you apparently very much do care about, despite claiming “nobody cares any more”, huh? Facts and truth; however, actually deserve and warrant certain amounts of courage and resolve. Why would anyone who wasn't a spineless cunt back down or away from that? But nice try at the attempt to make it sound like a bad thing. 73cv.2
Cameras to prove who walked in and out of the barn, and then would prove WHO allegedly killed the poor horse, i hardly remember , but if the horse was worth so much someone actually wanted him dead, wouldn't you have someone sleeping in front of his stall, or a all day stand by? I stay 24 hours with my horses when we ship to NY and those are not even big name races...BTW ? Did you all have insurance on him? Just wondering...Since you insist on Re-hashing all this, the least you can do is re-fresh our memories of the situation, how many years ago was it? How many horses have been assulted since? hmmm....
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MsO, you just keep living in your own perfect little world where guys like Belcher are good people! I`ll stay out here in the real world where people like him and you are just considered assholes!
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No, your still a LAUGHING STOCK , and you never stop, it's Hysterical! I know nothing about Freds records, other then he sure had them at one time , WOOT WOOT!, No one cares now, why do you keep coming on here defending after all these years? Do you think it will change what EVERYONE thinks about you? , tmbz1 like it's all you got, so your gonna keep going with it, LMAO, 😄😄😄, it's just funny...And poor My Pleasure, i remember when everyone I have never heard of anyone wanting to use Belchers barn to shock a horse, even so, EVER BEEN HIT BY A ELECTRIC FENCE,? i'm not saying i go around shocking horses and it's ok, but by all standards, really?! Your argument is a bit futile, perhaps these 'cattle prods' are extra strong? I dont know, but the dog training centers do it, while training dogs all the time, witch, i'm totally against, by the way, Electric in ground dog fence? And of course the good old Electric horse/cow fence? My point is simply you keep bringing up some sort of tape recording ? Of people wanting to shock their horse??? Really seems miniscule , compared to the arguments at handfelt sorry for that horse way before his ear was ever cut! You are just to Nacississtic to hear whats being said, then and now, and also by the way,,,, is what your trying to say above , that Belcher is NOT training horses? At all? And he's not Barred? Is that what your saying, because if so, thats really interesting, it's funny your not smart enough to epwalj away, when you had the chance, hasn't anyone ever told you, it's not a good thing to talk to much? angbk angbk angbk -Holy Shit, Honestly, YOU ARE SO EXHAUSTING, endless ...
What arguments? So far you haven't offered a single salient fact that you're supposedly arguing compared to the cattle prod shocking of horses that's called Fear Conditioning:
"while some humans have engaged in a controversial practice called blood doping (where they withdraw their own blood, concentrate the red blood cells and then have a transfusion just before a competition to boost their red blood cell count and aerobic capacity), Mother Nature provided the horse with a natural blood doping mechanism. The horse stores half of its red blood cells in its spleen and only releases them when needed, e.g., when the flight reflex kicks in."
www.aerc.org/ENFeb05Ed.asp
It's precisely this "natural blood doping mechanism" these barbaric trainers are tapping into by shocking and sometimes beating their horses with their heads covered by a blanket to maximize fear and their response to it.
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I'm kind of out of the loop here but what was the story with my pleasure? What happened?
Well, the basic gist of the story is that on the night of a track sanctioned Halloween party put on by the OHHA on the backstretch of Northfield Park, My Pleasure, who was only at the track instead of the farm where he’d normally be, because he was training back after being off for a muscle tear for an entire year, was assaulted by some unknown horseman in his stall in the Belcher barn. In the assault the assailant attempted to cut his ear off, slicing a clean cut nearly ¾ around his ear at its base before I assume he freed himself from the person I imagine was holding him by that ear as they cut. He was found bloody and cowering in his stall the next morning by the grooms. The track, OHHA and OSRC tried to pass off the claim that he’d done it to himself by wedging his ear behind an electrical outlet box that was located on the wall outside of his stall. An absurd claim for more reasons than one, the least of which being there was no tearing of tissue, and no sign of skin, hair or blood left behind on the wall or outlet box but a clean cut around his ear. A month later, Thanksgiving weekend he returned to the track for his first training trip since being injured when a blood clot from the wound apparently traveled through his bloodstream and caused him to suffer a heart attack on the track and pass away. Because he was on the track when he died a necropsy was necessitated. It was performed at the track because the vet clinic at OSU was closed for the holiday, and being the reason why it was all videotaped. Many more clots were found remaining at the site of the injury.
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It's funny MSO, You always pretend to be sooo educated with your long, long, long, long, long, long, long, come backs, but yet your not smart enough to just stop talking? The more you talk the worse you make yourself, and ALL your arguments look, but hay, who am i to say you look like a JOKE, ? And why are you using the word CUNT?!, is it better then Slut? Less demeaning? Less Womanizing? You went to town, on some people for calling others a Slut, but it's ok, to call whomever a Spineless Cunt? Well, thats not a Hypocrite, now is it? 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 someone may kill themselfs because you called them a Spineless Cunt!
Maybe they wouldn’t have to be so long if you didn’t glaze over so much fact by throwing so much nonsense at me to muddle the conversation, eh? Well be my guest then and expose my posts by listing what’s not factual, reasonable or factual about them. I couldn’t imagine that would be hard for someone of your intellectual caliber and sober repute. I mean, so far you’ve refused to so much as substantiate a fraction of your own about things you believe pertinent to the subject, but not so pertinent you’d think it wise or necessary to back up and explain, of course. It’s true and the fact of the matter because you say so, doncha know. So let’s just say I’m not exactly holding my breath.
I don’t pretend anything. If you think I’m educated because of my posts, well, that’s entirely your problem and on you, having nothing to do with any claim made on my part. What do you mean “why am I using the word cunt”? Maybe because one of its definitions as "a contemptible person" was fitting, ya think? It was even shorter to use, too! How smart would you say one has to be to figure that out all by themselves? And just how many other non-issues would you like to seize on and blow out of proportion to distract away from the fact you refuse to answer direct questions or hold Amy accountable for things she’s admitted to doing and as well as not doing her job? See, if you’d just figured out the word’s use for yourself and addressed those issues right from the start, this entire paragraph could have been eliminated. But why not complain about it anyway? I’m starting to think you just like it.
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Cameras to prove who walked in and out of the barn, and then would prove WHO allegedly killed the poor horse, i hardly remember , but if the horse was worth so much someone actually wanted him dead, wouldn't you have someone sleeping in front of his stall, or a all day stand by? I stay 24 hours with my horses when we ship to NY and those are not even big name races...BTW ? Did you all have insurance on him? Just wondering...Since you insist on Re-hashing all this, the least you can do is re-fresh our memories of the situation, how many years ago was it? How many horses have been assulted since? hmmm....
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There were no security cameras, nor was the onus on us to prevent anyone from either committing criminal acts or proving who did after the fact. How do you figure that to be the case? Kind of like it’s not a woman’s responsibility to keep someone from raping her by equipping herself with a constant monitoring system, no? Don’t want your kids from getting kidnapped? Well, sheesh, why didn’t you implant them with a tracking chip or keep them locked in a closet somewhere? You’re just asking for it when you have cute, cherub faced kids dressed in piggy tails and saddle shoes out free in public and stuff. Gah! Stop COMPLAINING!
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MsO, you just keep living in your own perfect little world where guys like Belcher are good people! I`ll stay out here in the real world where people like him and you are just considered assholes!
I know what I know based on my own first hand experiences and facts that I’ve gathered and learned myself about every claim made about him. You know what you know through unsupported rumor, half-truths, innuendo and conjecture. I’d take my accounts that have been parsed backwards and forwards for any potential flaw in them dozens of times, and that I have no fear about or problem answering for the fact of the matter every day of the week over yours, that basically make YOU the asshole here between you, Bob and myself.
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What arguments? So far you haven't offered a single salient fact that you're supposedly arguing compared to the cattle prod shocking of horses that's called Fear Conditioning:
"while some humans have engaged in a controversial practice called blood doping (where they withdraw their own blood, concentrate the red blood cells and then have a transfusion just before a competition to boost their red blood cell count and aerobic capacity), Mother Nature provided the horse with a natural blood doping mechanism. The horse stores half of its red blood cells in its spleen and only releases them when needed, e.g., when the flight reflex kicks in."
www.aerc.org/ENFeb05Ed.asp
It's precisely this "natural blood doping mechanism" these barbaric trainers are tapping into by shocking and sometimes beating their horses with their heads covered by a blanket to maximize fear and their response to it.
Actually i understoid it to work as follows::::
the person jogging the horse 'yells' or 'chirps' a certain way, everytime the horse gets the Prod, so then he is, yes, 'FEAR TRAINED' and when racing and hears that 'Trigger' sound and takes off ...
But, thanks for the 'Blood doping' lesson, i knew you were well educated... 😉
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There were no security cameras, nor was the onus on us to prevent anyone from either committing criminal acts or proving who did after the fact. How do you figure that to be the case? Kind of like it’s not a woman’s responsibility to keep someone from raping her by equipping herself with a constant monitoring system, no? Don’t want your kids from getting kidnapped? Well, sheesh, why didn’t you implant them with a tracking chip or keep them locked in a closet somewhere? You’re just asking for it when you have cute, cherub faced kids dressed in piggy tails and saddle shoes out free in public and stuff. Gah! Stop COMPLAINING!
Sorry i dont agree, a horse of that caliber, from what i remember, (his caliber), always have someone sitting with them, especially if a party is going on, thats even more reason to have someone sit with him, although i dont recall any party, i dont recall hearing about a possible electric box accident, i heard everyone thought someone did it, who?, i dont know, i can't ever imagine anyone doing that to a horse, but a lot of sickos out there, thats one thing we agree on...
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Maybe they wouldn’t have to be so long if you didn’t glaze over so much fact by throwing so much nonsense at me to muddle the conversation, eh? Well be my guest then and expose my posts by listing what’s not factual, reasonable or factual about them. I couldn’t imagine that would be hard for someone of your intellectual caliber and sober repute. I mean, so far you’ve refused to so much as substantiate a fraction of your own about things you believe pertinent to the subject, but not so pertinent you’d think it wise or necessary to back up and explain, of course. It’s true and the fact of the matter because you say so, doncha know. So let’s just say I’m not exactly holding my breath.
I don’t pretend anything. If you think I’m educated because of my posts, well, that’s entirely your problem and on you, having nothing to do with any claim made on my part. What do you mean “why am I using the word cunt”? Maybe because one of its definitions as "a contemptible person" was fitting, ya think? It was even shorter to use, too! How smart would you say one has to be to figure that out all by themselves? And just how many other non-issues would you like to seize on and blow out of proportion to distract away from the fact you refuse to answer direct questions or hold Amy accountable for things she’s admitted to doing and as well as not doing her job? See, if you’d just figured out the word’s use for yourself and addressed those issues right from the start, this entire paragraph could have been eliminated. But why not complain about it anyway? I’m starting to think you just like it.
Eww, you actually looked up the defenition? ngc3
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IM GLAD IM NOT AMY ANYMORE
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IM GLAD IM NOT AMY ANYMORE
ME NEITHER BWA HAHAHAHA ngc3
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ME NEITHER BWA HAHAHAHA ngc3
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LMAO, you and Bob are 2 of only a few that will stick up for him. He is known as a no- good POS in the rest of the world.
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Actually i understoid it to work as follows::::
the person jogging the horse 'yells' or 'chirps' a certain way, everytime the horse gets the Prod, so then he is, yes, 'FEAR TRAINED' and when racing and hears that 'Trigger' sound and takes off ...
But, thanks for the 'Blood doping' lesson, i knew you were well educated... 😉
Do forgive my ignorance of the exact process involved. She has corrected my vocabulary in the past as well, as a practitioner more familiar than I with the terminology "buzzing". Belcher didn't then have a track on his farm then so, no although the audible cue as a forewarning might be the same, I would guess doing it on the track isn't entirely necessary for the mechanism to work as intended.
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Sorry i dont agree, a horse of that caliber, from what i remember, (his caliber), always have someone sitting with them, especially if a party is going on, thats even more reason to have someone sit with him, although i dont recall any party, i dont recall hearing about a possible electric box accident, i heard everyone thought someone did it, who?, i dont know, i can't ever imagine anyone doing that to a horse, but a lot of sickos out there, thats one thing we agree on...
So according to that logic, if one was to buy an expensive vehicle they would also be required to stay with it in the driveway all day and night or be responsible for any vandalism to or theft of it? The back track is a secure environment that every horse, regardless of its value should be presumed safe at. That's a bullshit rationalization defending the events that transpired after the fact and you know it.
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ME NEITHER BWA HAHAHAHA ngc3
The hell you aren’t. Sill waiting to hear you fucking answer for yourself, too.
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Eww, you actually looked up the defenition? ngc3
You’re weirded out by dictionaries I take it. Open one up once in a while, maybe it’ll help. There’s a reason the word can be used regularly, neutrally and without the inexplicable gender implications in other countries that uptight Americans mindlessly associate with it. You were just wrong in your freak out over it, buck up and admit it.
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LMAO, you and Bob are 2 of only a few that will stick up for him. He is known as a no- good POS in the rest of the world.
The world is a mighty big place. But if you feel comfortable speaking for and of the masses as blind followers who don’t use critical thought or require proof in the formulation of their beliefs that they don't mind imposing on or punishing others because of, I suppose you can malign anyone you wish in that way. Kind of surprised you’d admit to and take pride in it yourself though. But wonders never cease. It’s not like you’re the kind of person who feels an obligation to support wild claims that you make or be consistent in the application of any of those beliefs or policies, so I guess that was entirely predictable. Others have surprised me in this business. You, though, are not one of them. You pretend to be righteous and esteemed, for certain. But when push comes to shove it turns out you’re nothing but an empty vessel.
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You don`t know me or anything about me. It`s been proven what Belcher is. I don`t see anyone else on here saying he is a good guy! You won`t either. Like I said, the only people who like him and agree with his tactics worked for him and made money off of his antics.
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Do forgive my ignorance of the exact process involved. She has corrected my vocabulary in the past as well, as a practitioner more familiar than I with the terminology "buzzing". Belcher didn't then have a track on his farm then so, no although the audible cue as a forewarning might be the same, I would guess doing it on the track isn't entirely necessary for the mechanism to work as intended.
??????????????? Who?
Stall, Cross ties? Wherever, all the same.,,:`
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So according to that logic, if one was to buy an expensive vehicle they would also be required to stay with it in the driveway all day and night or be responsible for any vandalism to or theft of it? The back track is a secure environment that every horse, regardless of its value should be presumed safe at. That's a bullshit rationalization defending the events that transpired after the fact and you know it.
DUH! Yes...
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You’re weirded out by dictionaries I take it. Open one up once in a while, maybe it’ll help. There’s a reason the word can be used regularly, neutrally and without the inexplicable gender implications in other countries that uptight Americans mindlessly associate with it. You were just wrong in your freak out over it, buck up and admit it.
Hey, if it works for you, be proud, Sais more about you, then anything.....
(No one has ever accused you of being Respectable, thats for sure)...
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You don`t know me or anything about me. It`s been proven what Belcher is. I don`t see anyone else on here saying he is a good guy! You won`t either. Like I said, the only people who like him and agree with his tactics worked for him and made money off of his antics.
Same as you know about me, I know the values and principles you demonstrate here on this forum. What "tactics" used by Belcher are you referring to exactly?
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??????????????? Who?
Stall, Cross ties? Wherever, all the same.,,:`
Amy Hollar is the who.
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Hey, if it works for you, be proud, Sais more about you, then anything.....
(No one has ever accused you of being Respectable, thats for sure)...
Because using legitimate language that's perfectly acceptable outside of prickly evangelical circles to use says what about me exactly? ngc3
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BUZZING BLOB BELCH (EXCUSE ME)I HEARD HE HIRES OUT. BUT DONT QUOTE ME ON IT.
HAVE PROD WILL TRAVEL
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BUZZING BLOB BELCH (EXCUSE ME)I HEARD HE HIRES OUT. BUT DONT QUOTE ME ON IT.
HAVE PROD WILL TRAVEL
Nah. It's not like anyone has him admitting to it on tape or anything. 73cv.2
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AMAZING THAT EVERYTIME BELCHER GETS CAUGHT , IT WAS THE DEEP STATE DOING STUFF TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD. AND THIS ME TWO #BROAD WITH DIARRHEA OF THE KEYBOARD.
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AMAZING THAT EVERYTIME BELCHER GETS CAUGHT , IT WAS THE DEEP STATE DOING STUFF TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD. AND THIS ME TWO #BROAD WITH DIARRHEA OF THE KEYBOARD.
Don't be intentionally deceptive, misleading and inflammatory. Was he "indicted for stealing farm equipment from neighbors" or running some kind of crime ring? No. The articles establish the fact of the matter; he was not. But was asked to pay $40,000. in a plea deal to keep from being charged with a felony. What do you call that if not extortion?
extortion
/ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: extortion; plural noun: extortions
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
synonyms: blackmail, shakedown; formal exaction.
The shit in harness racing spoke for itself too. Just because you want to believe it all doesn't make it true or make me bad for pointing out the facts you simply choose to ignore because you obviously have some character problems of your own.
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Don't be intentionally deceptive, misleading and inflammatory. Was he "indicted for stealing farm equipment from neighbors" or running some kind of crime ring? No. The articles establish the fact of the matter; he was not. But was asked to pay $40,000. in a plea deal to keep from being charged with a felony. What do you call that if not extortion?
extortion
/ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: extortion; plural noun: extortions
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
synonyms: blackmail, shakedown; formal exaction.
The shit in harness racing spoke for itself too. Just because you want to believe it all doesn't make it true or make me bad for pointing out the facts you simply choose to ignore because you obviously have some character problems of your own.
can i get a clue?
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Don't be intentionally deceptive, misleading and inflammatory. Was he "indicted for stealing farm equipment from neighbors" or running some kind of crime ring? No. The articles establish the fact of the matter; he was not. But was asked to pay $40,000. in a plea deal to keep from being charged with a felony. What do you call that if not extortion?
extortion
/ikˈstôrSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: extortion; plural noun: extortions
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
synonyms: blackmail, shakedown; formal exaction.
The shit in harness racing spoke for itself too. Just because you want to believe it all doesn't make it true or make me bad for pointing out the facts you simply choose to ignore because you obviously have some character problems of your own.
THAT GUY HAS CHARACTER PROBLEMS TOO? WTF?
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can i get a clue?
Phone a Friend
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Phone a Friend
I DONT TAKE COLLECT CALLS
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I DONT TAKE COLLECT CALLS
BORROW USED CAR GUY'S PHONE.
ONLY MAKES FAKE CALLS TO EX-PAL HEBREWS HOWEVER
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can i get a clue?
NO NO NO! Dont ask her to Elaborate! Yikes! ngc3 ngc3
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NO NO NO! Dont ask her to Elaborate! Yikes! ngc3 ngc3
Any other time you dicks talk a big game like you’re entitled to answers and want the cheating and “criminals” out of the sport. But make them hard to refute answers that fuck up your preferred fictions about your preferred and only your preferred villains and oh noes; that’s just a bridge too far! Better shut that shit down with a bunch of irrelevant whining. *sheds tear for you*
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God bless the poor bastard who is married to you! Wow, go eat an Easter egg and be quiet for a minute!
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God bless the poor bastard who is married to you! Wow, go eat an Easter egg and be quiet for a minute!
Awww, am I not pleasing to you, you precious asshole? Not everything is about you and how you want the world to cater to you. ::)
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That poor bastard!
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Are you going to Belcher`s house for Easter? I hear he stole a nice ham that he chemically enhanced and is cooking with a high-powered prod and then he`s serving milkshakes for dessert through a tube! Don`t miss out MsO, he might need someone to run to the store for him!!!
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God bless the poor bastard who is married to you! Wow, go eat an Easter egg and be quiet for a minute!
(https://i.imgur.com/ADiF3Ab.jpg)
Date of Birth: October 13, 1959. Ethnicity: Other. Address: Case Number: 23288500ABOFRE195 91013. Charge Type: Criminal/traffic. Offense: Drug Trafficking. Criminal Code, 2925.03 3. Arrest Disposition: Sentenced. Court Description: Cuya. Conviction Place: CUYA ...
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(https://i.imgur.com/ADiF3Ab.jpg)
Date of Birth: October 13, 1959. Ethnicity: Other. Address: Case Number: 23288500ABOFRE195 91013. Charge Type: Criminal/traffic. Offense: Drug Trafficking. Criminal Code, 2925.03 3. Arrest Disposition: Sentenced. Court Description: Cuya. Conviction Place: CUYA ...
SHES PRETTY DESPERATE
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Drug trafficking? Wow! No wonder she never shuts up, she's trying to convince herself ...
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Any other time you dicks talk a big game like you’re entitled to answers and want the cheating and “criminals” out of the sport. But make them hard to refute answers that fuck up your preferred fictions about your preferred and only your preferred villains and oh noes; that’s just a bridge too far! Better shut that shit down with a bunch of irrelevant whining. *sheds tear for you*
WHEW,! 🙈, You post me at HELLO!.... 😪😪😪
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Date of Birth: October 13, 1959. Ethnicity: Other. Address: Case Number: 23288500ABOFRE195 91013. Charge Type: Criminal/traffic. Offense: Drug Trafficking. Criminal Code, 2925.03 3. Arrest Disposition: Sentenced. Court Description: Cuya. Conviction Place: CUYA ...
Did he do time?
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Drug trafficking? Wow! No wonder she never shuts up, she's trying to convince herself ...
PROLLY ON CRANK
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Nice try. Ad hominem attacks about someone also not me do not alter facts or merits of any of my posts. Nor do they fortify any of yours. They do; however, speak distinctly about your own as well as desperation to scramble to answer to me. 73cv.2
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Nice try. Ad hominem attacks about someone also not me do not alter facts or merits of any of my posts. Nor do they fortify any of yours. They do; however, speak distinctly about your own as well as desperation to scramble to answer to me. 73cv.2
U GUYS STILL DEALIN?
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Date of Birth: October 13, 1959. Ethnicity: Other. Address: Case Number: 23288500ABOFRE195 91013. Charge Type: Criminal/traffic. Offense: Drug Trafficking. Criminal Code, 2925.03 3. Arrest Disposition: Sentenced. Court Description: Cuya. Conviction Place: CUYA ...
FREDDY KILO
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Couldn’t dig up any dirt on me I take it, though probably not for lack of trying. Eh, last I checked my name was Melissa and not Fred. But of course, even if it was, it would have no bearing on the merits of the points I’m making and you cannot seemingly answer. Translation: Bob Belcher is an okay guy and Amy Hollar good for nothing, guilty as sin scum.
You’re not going to bother me. But if your only resort is to find flaw in my husband, not knowing anything about it, him or our relationship and more importantly having nothing to do with nothing at discussion… that shows the weakness in your current position on Bob Belcher and Amy Hollar respectively, as well as desperation to defend what you believe for no valid or good reasons.. It’s not a particularly sound strategy at that, either. I’ve always addressed anything I was even remotely, if that much, answerable for. Can the same be said for anyone else here?
“When I first started in Philosophy my Professor of Logic said to our class --
"Learn the fallacies and learn them well. So well that immediately when you hear one,
a red flag goes up, sirens sound, and lights flash. Then stop. Examine what is being
said, and you will know how to reply. And if it is you saying it, ask yourself if you must
say it that way. And still further yet, if your answer is in the affirmative, stop your
argument there. For the argument is yet to be conceived that is more important than
honesty and integrity."”
Words to live by.
Kevin W. Walker, B.A.(Phil.)
"Personal attack" redirects here. For the policy on Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:No personal attacks.
Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists ad hominem as the second lowest type of argument in a disagreement.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
However, its original meaning was an argument "calculated to appeal to the person addressed more than to impartial reason".[3]
Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is categorized as an informal fallacy,[4][5][6] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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LMAO! Philosophy major! You were taught to spot red flags in character yet none went up when you met Belcher? You better go back to school!
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LMAO! Philosophy major! You were taught to spot red flags in character yet none went up when you met Belcher? You better go back to school!
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Only philosophy you know,
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Good morning Ms Melissa Fred Avoid 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Now, that's funny!!! ngc3 ngc3 tmbz1
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Only philosophy you know,
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Good morning Ms Melissa Fred Avoid 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
name from the past Fred Aboid
paper trainer for Belcher, lasted as long as a cup of coffee at the Meadows before getting positives.
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Couldn’t dig up any dirt on me I take it, though probably not for lack of trying. Eh, last I checked my name was Melissa and not Fred. But of course, even if it was, it would have no bearing on the merits of the points I’m making and you cannot seemingly answer. Translation: Bob Belcher is an okay guy and Amy Hollar good for nothing, guilty as sin scum.
You’re not going to bother me. But if your only resort is to find flaw in my husband, not knowing anything about it, him or our relationship and more importantly having nothing to do with nothing at discussion… that shows the weakness in your current position on Bob Belcher and Amy Hollar respectively, as well as desperation to defend what you believe for no valid or good reasons.. It’s not a particularly sound strategy at that, either. I’ve always addressed anything I was even remotely, if that much, answerable for. Can the same be said for anyone else here?
“When I first started in Philosophy my Professor of Logic said to our class --
"Learn the fallacies and learn them well. So well that immediately when you hear one,
a red flag goes up, sirens sound, and lights flash. Then stop. Examine what is being
said, and you will know how to reply. And if it is you saying it, ask yourself if you must
say it that way. And still further yet, if your answer is in the affirmative, stop your
argument there. For the argument is yet to be conceived that is more important than
honesty and integrity."”
Words to live by.
Kevin W. Walker, B.A.(Phil.)
"Personal attack" redirects here. For the policy on Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:No personal attacks.
Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement lists ad hominem as the second lowest type of argument in a disagreement.
Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]
However, its original meaning was an argument "calculated to appeal to the person addressed more than to impartial reason".[3]
Fallacious ad hominem reasoning is categorized as an informal fallacy,[4][5][6] more precisely as a genetic fallacy, a subcategory of fallacies of irrelevance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
BOB BELCHER BEARD AND BONG DEALER (OR WORSE). SWEPT U OFF YOUR FEET :P
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DID PIGLAND BAND THE BITCH?
A HOLE WEEK WITHOUT A POST MAY BE THE LONGEST SHE HAS EVER GONE WITHOUT OPENING HER RAT TRAP
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DID PIGLAND BAND THE BITCH?
A HOLE WEEK WITHOUT A POST MAY BE THE LONGEST SHE HAS EVER GONE WITHOUT OPENING HER RAT TRAP
SENT PACKING
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If she comes back I’m sure her posts will include many big words that are completely misused and falsely portray intelligence. Just wait and see.
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If she comes back I’m sure her posts will include many big words that are completely misused and falsely portray intelligence. Just wait and see.
AND EVERYBODY IS AMY HOLLAR ALSO
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LMAO! Philosophy major! You were taught to spot red flags in character yet none went up when you met Belcher? You better go back to school!
That’s right, hypocrite. Not a one. Belcher has more character in his little finger than you apparently do in entirety. If I ever had a question for him he answered me honestly and directed me to accurate information I could confirm for myself because he didn’t want me just taking his word for it thereby compromising my integrity. All you’ve built your opinions on is rumor and half truths. Pretty impressive, Sparky; which is to say, not even a little.
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If she comes back I’m sure her posts will include many big words that are completely misused and falsely portray intelligence. Just wait and see.
With an example of one “misused” big word being what, pray tell? You not knowing something is not evidence of misuse, either. :P
Meh. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
But just like trying to use people that aren’t me against me, an after the fact accusation of “misused” words just to find something to accuse me, is meaningless. I’m sure that if I had done that, or anything else, that would have been called out before this imaginary twaddle. You don’t like me because I threaten what you choose, for no valid reasons, to believe. M’kay, I’m cool with that. But be honest and say that. You won’t catch me stroking many, if any, egos to ingratiate myself to anyone for their approval or favor for sure. The faint of heart don’t exactly fancy that too much either - I’m well aware. And again, that suits me fine. But I’m calling bullshit on all of this. If you were all so offended by me, why keep raising the issue to try and bait me into conversation when you’d think, based on all your whining, you’d not fan the flames? Oh, but I guess negative attention is better than no attention, eh?
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AND EVERYBODY IS AMY HOLLAR ALSO
Umm. She shares responsibility with her multiple anonymous accounts on every board, however. Not sure why you’d pile on me with the use of indefensible ad hom tactics to attract the accusation in the first place, but poor you. And why not take issue with her attempted procurement of a criminal act? I sure as shit didn’t. What’s your story? Because you ain’t no innocent / one to talk. Huh huh huh? At least I answer for myself, which is far more than can be said for either of you.
The fact just is that this forum doesn’t warrant more than a bi-weekly once over. Not too many people have much of anything of value to say here.
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Umm. She shares responsibility with her multiple anonymous accounts on every board, however. Not sure why you’d pile on me with the use of indefensible ad hom tactics to attract the accusation in the first place, but poor you. And why not take issue with her attempted procurement of a criminal act? I sure as shit didn’t. What’s your story? Because you ain’t no innocent / one to talk. Huh huh huh? At least I answer for myself, which is far more than can be said for either of you.
The fact just is that this forum doesn’t warrant more than a bi-weekly once over. Not too many people have much of anything of value to say here.
U WORE OUT 2 KEYBOARDS SO FAR HERE, AND THE JOINT DONT DESERVE BUT A BI-WEEKLY ONCE OVER? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
HOWS THAT WORTHLESS TAPE (A FUCKIN TAPE? CLASSIC!!!) YOU HAVE?
LOOK, UP IN THE SKY!!! IT'S ABOID!!! IT'S A PLANE!!! IT'S A DRUG DEALER!!!! 73cv.2
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I was at NFLD when Bobby got busted, don't know who his owners were but 90 days before the bust half his horses were removed from his stable and for the following 3 months his win percentage was amazing-even for him. He made a killing in those 90 days
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She took the bait!
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She took the bait!
NICE WORK
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Who let this hog back in? Belcher has character? What a fucking retard!
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Belcher has integrity. Funniest thing I've ever heard
MsO you are to funny
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U WORE OUT 2 KEYBOARDS SO FAR HERE, AND THE JOINT DONT DESERVE BUT A BI-WEEKLY ONCE OVER? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
HOWS THAT WORTHLESS TAPE (A FUCKIN TAPE? CLASSIC!!!) YOU HAVE?
LOOK, UP IN THE SKY!!! IT'S ABOID!!! IT'S A PLANE!!! IT'S A DRUG DEALER!!!! 73cv.2
::) To come across anything worthy of reading or participation, it’s few and far between indeed. Prior to a month or so ago, it was a year or maybe two since the last time that I had. So clearly not warranting of daily or even weekly review, and perhaps even the better empirical measure of the veracity of my statement. But yeah, you’re practically a regular Clouseau, though the bumbling fool part is about right. Once you do come across something to contribute; however, I figure you can half-ass it or support it - length and time dedicated be damned. Otherwise it was never really worthy of contribution, right? You just worry about your keyboard wear and let me worry about mine, mkay?
And yes, the tape dates back. That and landlines were the readily available technology at the time. So what? Does that somehow invalidate what’s recorded on it? Umm, no. In what can only be described as a spectacular display of cognitive dissonance, you used to - pretty recently in fact - take issue with cheating, lack of integrity and criminal activity, no? So you’re seemingly defending Amy Hollar and offering up distractions for her rather than consistently taking issue with her as you would, for example, someone accepting repayment for – oh noes - personal drug use, hurting no one and nothing but themselves because why again? But you cry foul when you’re identified as being her? Well suck it up, buttercup. You’re responsible. I remember back when I first started contributing to message boards and my screen name and I were both anonymous. I was misidentified as a few different people. Rather than construing that as a flaw of the person misidentifying me and therefore an automatic disqualifier of anything they said, or reason to disbelieve them, because it wasn’t, and taking a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mean girls attitude of awkwardly aggressive social camaraderie about it, I simply considered it something I was responsible for creating. And so, I decided that either I had to reveal my identity or had no excuse for whining about misidentification . If you just wish to remain anonymous, okay, but it would seem something that wouldn’t be of any consequence to you one way or the other, suiting that objective just fine. No? ::)
But again, if your issue with me is length of my posts, which bullshit, why continue, incongruously engaging and “baiting” me? What personal stake do you have in any of this?
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I was at NFLD when Bobby got busted, don't know who his owners were but 90 days before the bust half his horses were removed from his stable and for the following 3 months his win percentage was amazing-even for him. He made a killing in those 90 days
Sigh. Oh, okay. I’ve heard some good ones, but the gullible Belcher detractors really will believe almost anything - no matter how implausible… But they don’t ever check into the verifiable facts for themselves, either. I know this isn’t going to fit your narrative and you’re going to want to resist or get apoplectic about it because nobody likes hearing they’re wrong and being disproven. But oh well. That’s what you get for latching onto anything following the phrase “I heard” because that’s just a playground game of telephone, anyway. And grown-ass adults are supposed to know better...
Tell me, because your story lacks corroborative specifics, busted how? Which medication violation, that you’d probably ignore from anyone else - present company I'm sure included - and I’ve likely answered to for myself if an owner of his at the time, or half-truth are we talking about? Being vague so you can't be refuted is for cowards and the disingenuous. I’m not sure how you figure his win percentages that either matched or exceeded his previous best in the years while he was in guarded detention at Northfield can be explained away if the suggestion being made here is that the horses were getting pre-raced at the farm and then shipped in to race, which was the reason for his success or what. I don’t know what you’re suggesting here at all, in fact. Prior to when I became an owner and for all the years that I was, he had the farm on Chittenden Rd in Hudson. I worked there and was intimately familiar. We only had 14 or 15 stalls there and three paddocks for turnouts, with one rinky dink round pen on the side of the barn that was rarely used but I feel obligated to disclose, too. One of the three paddocks was reserved for the use of horses like My Pleasure, that didn’t get turned out with other horses, being the only one that had grass; never turned into a mud pit at the gate in the spring and had room enough to kick their heels up much. The other two generally had two or three turned out simultaneously at any given time. And neither was there a training track on that property, as was rumored, but no. It wasn’t big enough and neither was the remainder cleared of trees. Maybe someone here can tell us how many acres would be required for a half mile track, but I'm quite sure it's more than the 10 acres he had there. It still may not even be fully cleared to this day, though I see Dunrite Roofing has developed it a little since buying the parcel. An aerial view and dimensions are easily accessed online for that parcel. I know because I did so at the time to debunk the nonsensical ravings of OSRC stooge Doug Thomas – also suggesting that he verify it for himself before believing and acting on word of mouth alone. So where are you suggesting “half of all his horses” went to for these 90 days that you speak of? A timeline, if you don’t mind, would also be helpful for the purposes of verifying facts. I think it’s a personal responsibility that we all share before repeating things as truth or fact.
Additionally, plenty of trainers claimed off of him on a regular basis and did very well with the stock for themselves, which also doesn’t gibe with your narrative, remaining unexplained.
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She took the bait!
Those "misused" words again? Still waiting... But come on now, wow us with your dazzling intellect that establishes your credibility! 73cv.2
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Who let this hog back in? Belcher has character? What a fucking retard!
Uninformed opinions don’t have much if any value, so why be so resistant to and take personal affront with information when it’s provided, I wonder?
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Would Bob Belcher or Fred Aboid take a lie detector test in regards to only horse racing MS O? It can be your shortest post in history - It's yes or no question
Question 1-were you tipped off from security or management prior to what we're suppose to be surprise barn searches? I would love to hear the honest answer ngc3
Follow up to question 1)-name the person or persons that notified you.
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Is there where Sammy..........go t that hot shock machine.......... ..from down on the Destiny Farm............s eems to me there was a lot of Belcher and Inman associated with this investigation.... .....but then again.........Sam my would never ever do something like that..........ngc 3
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Belcher has been honest with me
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JOHN FRANK ARMY knew JIM BELCHER in high school. He was tough.
SISTER ANNA MARIE a BIG FAT NUN who was CRAZY slapped him one day.
YA know why. He raised his hand to answer a question and his arm knocked down a crucifix on wall. JIMMY was trying to be nice answerin that question.
HE slapped her back. GOOD goin JIMMY. I can say that. HE DEAD NOW.