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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: G on August 31, 2026, 03:35:08 PM
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Howard Taylor — Equine advocacy alliance
It looks like our boy Mikeeee bit off more than he can chew,,, let me explain. Our boy created a phony AI video about attorney & prominent horse owner Howard Taylor.
Howard insisted on an apology and of course our scared, shitless equine advocate got down on one knee and beg for forgiveness apologizing on YouTube however,,, I’m not sure if this is good enough.
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Howard Taylor — Equine advocacy alliance
It looks like our boy Mikeeee bit off more than he can chew,,, let me explain. Our boy created a phony AI video about attorney & prominent horse owner Howard Taylor.
Howard insisted on an apology and of course our scared, shitless equine advocate got down on one knee and beg for forgiveness apologizing on YouTube however,,, I’m not sure if this is good enough.
I created the video? ngc3 I apologized?? Didn't you say Howard doesn't know who I am?!? Pretty bad when Howard has his attorney demand I remove a video, don't ya think??? ngc3
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Hey G. Did Bubba ask if you wanted to be Mommy or Daddy?
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Hey G. Did Bubba ask if you wanted to be Mommy or Daddy?
What did he say here? I think it speak VOLUMES that Taylor is having his attorney contact ME!!!
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Did he quiver to ht's lawyer & take it down? Lol
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Did he quiver to ht's lawyer & take it down? Lol
Yep, after 1100 views!
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Howard Taylor — Equine advocacy alliance
It looks like our boy Mikeeee bit off more than he can chew,,, let me explain. Our boy created a phony AI video about attorney & prominent horse owner Howard Taylor.
Howard insisted on an apology and of course our scared, shitless equine advocate got down on one knee and beg for forgiveness apologizing on YouTube however,,, I’m not sure if this is good enough.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID HOWARD DOESN'T KNOW I EXIST!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 There will be a livestream this week where I read their letter of demands.... tmbz1
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Did he quiver to ht's lawyer & take it down? Lol
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BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID HOWARD DOESN'T KNOW I EXIST!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 There will be a livestream this week where I read their letter of demands.... tmbz1
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BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID HOWARD DOESN'T KNOW I EXIST!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 There will be a livestream this week where I read their letter of demands.... tmbz1
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here’s the problem with that,, nobody listens to your live stream. You’re totally irrelevant.
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here’s the problem with that,, nobody listens to your live stream. You’re totally irrelevant.
Yet Howard Taylor's attorney demanded the video be taken down!!! YOUR MOST POWERFUL PLAYERS....think about it.....STUPID. I accept the compliment. ngc3
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My "apology". https://www.youtube.com/live/QTtGBunAdKM?si=o0c5gKw5gfWbAIw2
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I think it’s hilarious that someone of HT’s “stature “ is feeling threatened by mikes video. People knew HT was a scumbag before that video and have for a while. He tries to bully Mike, but let Gural treat him like a little bitch. Kudos for removing any doubt on who you really are HT! tmbz1
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HT belongs with the misfits
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You can’t deny the facts that Mr Taylor was refused a racing license in several states.
How come you “Taylor buddies” don’t address that?
It seems you’re more interested in degrading Mr Petrelli than asking why Delaware, etc has a problem with Mr Taylor’s ethics.
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You can’t deny the facts that Mr Taylor was refused a racing license in several states.
How come you “Taylor buddies” don’t address that?
It seems you’re more interested in degrading Mr Petrelli than asking why Delaware, etc has a problem with Mr Taylor’s ethics.
https://youtu.be/QRjgHZJ4lC0
Howard Taylor Kentucky Horse Racing And Gaming Corporation Hearing 2025 - Withdrawn Application.
This is a two way street, remember we all have a first amendment right. Facts are three governining bodies in the sport have acted on the same information I have publicized. Remember also a "very close friend" of his who also is a judge in NYS employed by NYS Gaming contacted me regarding those invoices he clearly addresses during the phone call he made in Howard's defense. This video clearly shows a commission acting on what they were made privy to. Just like the rest of us, facts are facts.
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And who was trying to coerce me to lay off Mr. Taylor during this out of nowhere phone call from Tony Zubkoff???
https://youtu.be/4oCjRr9Wmi8?si=q-oWLJMQMp0C4PCt
Transcript. Tony Zubkoff and myself...
TZ: whatever your invoices and he had said that yes, he said you need you had a lot of invoices or something like
TZ: that. U and I said, "Well, let me call him real quick and and I will call you back." All right. So, let let me No,
TZ: I got I got to make sure I don't want I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but he's a really really good friend of mine. Okay. So, what you're telling me is, see, cuz this is hard for
TZ: me to to um uh listen, I promise you I swear on the on the life. No, no, no.
MP: But what I'm saying is you're telling me, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, that you were talking, you called Howard Taylor for something else within the last half
MP: And he brought up me. Yeah. To a presiding Wait a minute. To a presiding judge.
TZ: He He called up. He said he said basically said this betrayal he's trying to destroy me and this and that. I said I know him. I said let me give him a
TZ: He was like he wasn't even the same guy in the phone. You know what I mean? He's just like well Tony and again I've been square with you and I've
MP: helped you with Gary Wilmmont and stuff like that. But Tony you got a good memory. Yeah. Yeah. Tony I don't forget anything.
MP: And what I'm saying to you is first of all I am not I am not licensed anymore by the state of New York. So, it's what
MP: what I'm trying to tell you is if Howard Taylor called you to help him, I called Howard. No, I'm Well, let me let me
MP: rephrase that. But during your conversation with Howard Taylor tonight, he had the audacity to put you in a in a
MP: position as a presiding judge for for New York State Gaming.
TZ: Correct. To ask me He didn't ask He didn't put me on the spot to ask me that. No. But what did he say exactly to
TZ: you about what I'm doing? He just said like basically you're trying to destroy him. How am I trying to destroy him? I I
TZ: I volunteered to make a call to you. He didn't tell me to call you. I said, "Well, let me call the guy." And and he
TZ: didn't ask me that at all. He just I can just tell that something was bothering him and and then he told me. He said, "Put's trying to destroy me." Well,
MP: Petelli is not trying to destroy him. Uh Tony, what he did was wrong and was illegal. I've never seen no paperwork or anything like that. Tony, what I'm
MP: trying,000 pages, Tony, what I'm trying to tell you is as an accredited official through United States Charting Association who's now employed and bound
MP: by the mandates and states statutes of the state of New York through the New York State Gaming Association. You making this call is bad. Like really
MP: bad. He's in the middle of a federal investigation and you are a judge who's mandated to uphold the truth and you're doing a favor for a friend who's been
MP: who we have the testimony, the transcripts, the wire taps and uh the evidence against him. Not we the federal
MP: government does. Tony, what I'm telling you is what I'm telling you as a friend is this phone call is very what can I call it?
MP: Dangerous for you and inappropriate.
TZ: No, I I know I have no idea what any of that paperwork or all that stuff you're saying. I I don't I don't follow it. Um
TZ: I didn't know nothing about any of that stuff until yesterday.
MP: But I mean I I can't believe that Howard as an attorney would put you in such harm's way if he's a friend of yours.
MP: Because Tony, I'm telling you, he didn't he didn't put me in harm's way. I said I He said all he I just told you. All he said was the Trell is trying to destroy
TZ: I said, "Okay, let I'll make a call and see what's going on." You know, and when when you said that to when you said that to him, when you said that to him
TZ: as uh But when you said that to him, what or anything like that? But what else? That I know the guy and I see what's going on. Okay. So, what else?
MP: But I'm saying when you said that you're going to call me, what was his response?
TZ: Uh he really didn't have a response really. He just said uh when you ever talk to him sometimes
TZ: he's it's the lawyer talk okay by fine like that you know I mean it's just it wasn't like oh please do this or please
TZ: do that. No he just uh like I said again I don't know what
TZ: um what everything's about. You know I really I've never read like I said I never read anything. And and when he
MP: said that I'm trying to I'm trying to destroy him. What were what were his grounds for saying that anyway? I He
TZ: didn't say He didn't say so.
MP: Have you ever talked to him? No. And I have no intention of talking to him. Oh, he never would. Okay. No, I'm on the side of right, not on the side of wrong.
MP: Tony, pardon me. I'm on the side of right, not the side of wrong. What he did was Okay.
TZ: I didn't I didn't know. I would like to uh I It's none of my business. So, um, I just I told him you're a good guy.
TZ: I said, you know, uh, he's trying to help the business. Well, we can go. Now, let me ask you this. Your name your name has got brought up before to somebody
TZ: and I can't remember who it was. Maybe months, maybe maybe a year ago or two. I don't remember. You had problems with him in the past to Howard Taylor? Yeah, we had a conversation about a year ago.
MP: No, you told me a long time ago that you were friends, but that was when Howard was just part of the big picture and not not dead center of the scope on the
MP: radar. Right now, he's dead center of the scope. I didn't investig.
MP: Tony, do you understand what we just got? I thought it was all over with. All over with. Do you understand what we just got done? Did you see that the USDA
MP: actually reciprocated and uh and and is following the ban from ADCO for Gillis?
TZ: Yeah, I seen that the USDA went ahead with you. So that was you talked about Russell Williams.
MP: Yeah, I guess he kept his word, didn't Well, that's not Russell. That's supposed to be an executive meeting. And
MP: uh Oh, yeah. And that's a that's a reciprocal means it's executive. He's not So they have a
MP: review of exe of the executive officers, no membership, no directors, and say, "We're going to reciprocate
TZ: because this is for real." I just Who's AGCO? I never heard of them.
TZ: Don't they got a racing commission?
MP: Alcohol, gaming, uh, and whatever up there. It's like New York State Gaming here, but they also
MP: are in charge of uh I think it's uh you know they're one one-stop shop for
MP: casinos, all that gambling, booze, tobacco and they and they busted that guy
MP: without I mean not bust him, they suspend him and find him without even a hearing. Wow. This is what I'm saying.
TZ: This is and Howard's part of it. I have I have um Howard had horses with a guy. No,
MP: Howard had horses hidden with Josh Marx who was banned. Howard was Howard was uh purchasing stuff through a trainer's
MP: name who didn't even know he was using his name. I have the cancel checks and I have the statement today from the
MP: trainer. Yes, if you go listen to the two recordings today where I have the uh voices changed and that's the trainer
MP: telling me what they were doing using his name and Howard had horses that were being trained by Josh Marx and bearded by this ini individual at Windgap forum.
TZ MP: No, I didn't even know about any of that. Well, now you do.
TZ: Your friend is where is it on? Is that on Facebook or what's it on? That's on YouTube.
MP: And I could easily look at this conversation that you might be trying to sponge me for information to take back to Howard. No, no, not at I not even I
MP: just So what I got to do now, Tony, is Tony, what? No, not at all. What what's going to happen is I'm going to send
MP TZ: this recording to New York State Gaming tomorrow through Okay. What record? Are we recording? Yeah, we're being recorded right now.
MP: I'm just giving you a heads up. Why would you do that? I mean, what's Why would you call me and ask me to back to back off Howard Taylor? You just did to me what Jason Bartlett did to me.
TZ MP: Sorry, I didn't ask. I just asked what's going on with Howard Taylor. Tony, you're you're a racing official with the state of New York. You did did you sign an oath?
TZ MP: Uh, I don't know. I'm not I got nothing to hide. I follow the rules. Um Well, you just broke the rules.
MP TZ: Uhhuh. This is so inappropriate. I can't even explain it. I can't believe you're the one asking me this. I just am. Mike, I don't know what the guy's done. I told
MP: you. Doesn't matter. So, what you're supposed to do in your position, especially as a man who's supposed to be uphold the rules of harness racing, New
MP: York, the state of New York, United States Charting Association is before you call me, investigated. Don't call me.
MP: I don't think you realize what you just don't know. You just threw yourself in the middle of something enormous.
MP TZ: Anyway, I gotta go, Tony. Okay. All right, buddy. Bye.
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Dear Mr. Insignificant,,
1) Who the fuck would read this bullshit?
2) This is all made up AI bullshit,, I wish I had this kind of time on my hands. You really need to get a job.
3) By posting you're just making matters worse,, stop begging Howard you did that on your video.
4) Howard hasn't decided what he's going to do with you yet.
5) You need to learn to keep your fucking dumb mouth shut.
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I recognize the balding guy behind Taylor as someone I've known for 40 years. He's been partners with him on several horses thru the years and has owned a few of his own including White Ruffles. His initials are A B
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I recognize the balding guy behind Taylor as someone I've known for 40 years. He's been partners with him on several horses thru the years and has owned a few of his own including White Ruffles. His initials are A B
That’s like 35-40 years ago, no?
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Dear Mr. Insignificant,,
1) Who the fuck would read this bullshit?
2) This is all made up AI bullshit,, I wish I had this kind of time on my hands. You really need to get a job.
3) By posting you're just making matters worse,, stop begging Howard you did that on your video.
4) Howard hasn't decided what he's going to do with you yet.
5) You need to learn to keep your fucking dumb mouth shut.
Instead of bullying Mike, I’d be more interested in your thoughts on why Howard was refused a license in several jurisdictions, since you know him so well.
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First met him back at Brandywine Raceway when he was betting horses in the 80's. White Ruffles was a grey mare by Billy Dart, foaled in 1986, trained by Brett Pelling and driven by Jackie Mo.
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I think it’s hilarious that someone of HT’s “stature “ is feeling threatened by mikes video. People knew HT was a scumbag before that video and have for a while. He tries to bully Mike, but let Gural treat him like a little bitch. Kudos for removing any doubt on who you really are HT! tmbz1
Agree 100%. Don't tell lucparc he has on numerous times defended Howard and kissed his ass.
2 cunts.
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Instead of bullying Mike, I’d be more interested in your thoughts on why Howard was refused a license in several jurisdictions, since you know him so well.
Because he is a shyster lawyer who sues people for a living!!!!
Next question! Why is M Petrelli BANNED from multiple tracks and the prestigious Mark Ford Training Facility?
Why is he posting pages of transcripts and other nonsense that Nobody cares about? Why are you ok with him posting over SIXTY times yesterday and derailing meaningful discussions about our sport? Answer - because he is a sick Vindictive person!
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Mikeeeeee it looks like you barked up the wrong tree. I’m not so sure your apology and pleading on YouTube is going to help you with Howard.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Howard Taylor, and obviously, anything or anyone else for that matter. That said, to further that, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it's remarkably foolish, LOL.
JMHO, I think Taylor got to a point where he was not good for the sport or business. When that point came, who knows. I don't think anyone here knows. Given the fact that he was unable to get/renew his license in a couple of states, and perhaps in Canada, it doesn't matter. Taylor aside, while perhaps it's a cliche, I do think there is validity to the concept of "where there's smoke there's fire" so to speak. Even if a person doesn't get caught per se, there is still conduct, behavior, and activities that can be damaging, detrimental, and so on to the sport and business. I have said from day one, and also based upon what's been reported, disclosed, etc.-----I think it's a positive step that Taylor is not able to race in several major jurisdictions. I think the sport and business would be better off as a whole without his involvement. JMHO. That said, what is said, what is claimed, and what is discussed here-----by anyone-----has absolutely not impact on what happens to Howard Taylor.
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Severed heads strewn all over the eastern seaboard to the midwest ngc3
I prefer that message! tmbz1
Human heads that is ngc3
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https://youtu.be/QRjgHZJ4lC0
Howard Taylor Kentucky Horse Racing And Gaming Corporation Hearing 2025 - Withdrawn Application.
This is a two way street, remember we all have a first amendment right. Facts are three governining bodies in the sport have acted on the same information I have publicized. Remember also a "very close friend" of his who also is a judge in NYS employed by NYS Gaming contacted me regarding those invoices he clearly addresses during the phone call he made in Howard's defense. This video clearly shows a commission acting on what they were made privy to. Just like the rest of us, facts are facts.
Did you record when you spoke on the phone with me?
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Next question! Why is M Petrelli BANNED from multiple tracks and the prestigious Mark Ford Training Facility?
Why is he posting pages of transcripts and other nonsense that Nobody cares about? Why are you ok with him posting over SIXTY times yesterday and derailing meaningful discussions about our sport? Answer - because he is a sick Vindictive person!
can everybody be wrong about this guy?
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I still would have liked to know-----did Taylor receive the products (any of them) himself, or were they "drop-shipped" to his various trainers. I get he was billed and paid for products, but I for one would like to know if he actually received the products.
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Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing" 73cv.2
I just payed the bills!
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Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing" 73cv.2
I just payed the bills!
and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.
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and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.
I don't think HT is that stupid
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I don't think HT is that stupid
Fishman’s “trusted clients” statement appeared in a January 5, 2019 email from Seth Fishman to Lisa Giannelli listing products offered by Equestology. The relevant entry stated:
“BB3 . . . would only let trusted clients have this.”
The email was admitted as Government Exhibit 309 (GX 309) in the federal prosecution, United States v. Lisa Giannelli, S6 20 Cr. 160 (MKV), Southern District of New York.
During Fishman’s trial on January 25, 2022, federal prosecutor Sarah Mortazavi had FDA veterinary medical officer Dr. Jean Bowman read that entry to the jury.
The strongest primary-document reference is the government’s September 1, 2022 sentencing submission for Giannelli:
United States v. Lisa Giannelli
Case No. 1:20-cr-00160-MKV
ECF Document 919
Page 2
Citation: GX 309
That government filing quotes GX 309 directly and also cites GX 319J, in which Fishman reportedly advised Giannelli to “stay low key” regarding BB3.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256354/fishman-the-question-is-is-it-testable-doping
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/22-1600/22-1600-2025-09-22.html
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and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.
I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.
Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.
I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.
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I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.
Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.
I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.
He was billed directly from Equestology to his law office in Philly.
Can't fail to mention multiple accounts.... tmbz1
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There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.
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There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.
THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,, see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.
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THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,, see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.
I think you mean “rational”, unless it’s a Freudian slip on your part.
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Between having about 6 or 8 people on ignore, and only posting on actual harness racing topics.....I just don't feed the BS wolf. LOL.
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and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.
you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc
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you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc
Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!
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Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!
Yes they pay the bills from the trainer not the drug supplier.
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you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc
The daily stupid contest is between the paintbrush, lunch man, and Loser 2.
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There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.
Exactly-the Lawsuit has me intrigued because Howard is suing Gural for defamation for using the term EPO-seems to fail the smell test. Why? In professional horse racing, owners are not hands-off corporate executives; they are deeply invested in the daily health, regimen, and costs of their stock.
BB3 wasn't a standard joint supplement or a routine vitamin bottle you buy at a local tack shop. It was a highly expensive, custom-compounded designer peptide.The evidence produced by FBI showed that BB3 and EPO are a distinction without a difference when it comes to cheating and horse welfare
For an owner to receive invoices from multiple different training operations, all featuring billing from Dr. Seth Fishman’s obscure Florida laboratory, and simply click "pay" without ever asking, "Who is this vet and why are we buying so much from him?" stretches the boundaries of credibility.
When multiple horses across multiple different barns suddenly start dropping their times and winning purses at a highly unusual rate, an experienced owner knows exactly what is happening. As racing officials noted during the Fishman trials, professionals know the physical limits of a horse; sudden spikes in performance don't happen naturally.
The defamation gamble could open a can of worms ! By claiming Gural ruined his reputation by calling him a doper, Howard has forced a federal judge to look directly at this absurd "I just paid the bills" excuse. When Gural’s lawyers present a jury with the sheer statistical impossibility of multiple different trainers independently using the exact same underground doping ring funded by the exact same checkbook, Howards "curveball" legal technicalities are highly likely to fall apart under ordinary human logic.
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Exactly-the Lawsuit has me intrigued because Howard is suing Gural for defamation for using the term EPO-seems to fail the smell test. Why? In professional horse racing, owners are not hands-off corporate executives; they are deeply invested in the daily health, regimen, and costs of their stock.
BB3 wasn't a standard joint supplement or a routine vitamin bottle you buy at a local tack shop. It was a highly expensive, custom-compounded designer peptide.The evidence produced by FBI showed that BB3 and EPO are a distinction without a difference when it comes to cheating and horse welfare
For an owner to receive invoices from multiple different training operations, all featuring billing from Dr. Seth Fishman’s obscure Florida laboratory, and simply click "pay" without ever asking, "Who is this vet and why are we buying so much from him?" stretches the boundaries of credibility.
When multiple horses across multiple different barns suddenly start dropping their times and winning purses at a highly unusual rate, an experienced owner knows exactly what is happening. As racing officials noted during the Fishman trials, professionals know the physical limits of a horse; sudden spikes in performance don't happen naturally.
The defamation gamble could open a can of worms ! By claiming Gural ruined his reputation by calling him a doper, Howard has forced a federal judge to look directly at this absurd "I just paid the bills" excuse. When Gural’s lawyers present a jury with the sheer statistical impossibility of multiple different trainers independently using the exact same underground doping ring funded by the exact same checkbook, Howards "curveball" legal technicalities are highly likely to fall apart under ordinary human logic.
There really is no other logical explanation
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Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!
Huh? You are the idiot. Owned horses for many years. Pretty easy to read pathway, arci etc.
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This is really getting redundant . Do you people really think it’s an accident that of all the owners whose trainers used Fishman’s products these racing commissions came after Howard Taylor. Without having the exact numbers I would say conservatively there are at least another 100 owners who had trainers who used Fishman. If you denied licensing to all of these owners there wouldn’t be any harness racing. So why Howard ? A. The powers that be never liked Howard representing trainers that they don’t like. B. There’s a very good chance that Jeff Gural used his influence to sabotage Howard Taylor with the racing commissions C. The powers that be also didn’t like some of the trainers that Howard used. D. I definitely believe alot of SCM’s postings hurt Howard and I also believe that SCM was working for and financed by Jeff Gural
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I don't know the details of any suit between Gural and Taylor, but I will say this. I think Gural banned Taylor and that's where it ends. I say Taylor can't win that case. Now it grows, morphs into something else, etc. and maybe Taylor is grasping at straws. I don't know.
Anyway, Taylor may be a good lawyer, maybe a great lawyer. I don't know. But I do know one thing.....unlike the NJRC, the NJSEA, and all of Gural's predecessors, Gural is not going to use some second-rate, Triple A, or sub-par law firm. You are talking about a major league, nationally presence, major business owner here. With massive and vast experience. He doesn't use attorney's who have neon lights in the window that say "Se Habla Espanol" if you know what I mean, LOL. Taylor may be a great litigator, again, I don't know. Taylor might be used to being the biggest dog in several yards he's been in before. But he may end up in a yard and facing a dog that he's never seen the likes of before. If the two end up in court, I don't even care what each sides argument/position is.....I would bet on Gural, LOL.
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I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.
Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.
I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.
I think I agree with that. That’s a pretty accurate statement.
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I don't think HT is that stupid
it has nothing to do with stupidity
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I think you mean “rational”, unless it’s a Freudian slip on your part.
yes thank you
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I don't know that any case Taylor is involved with will come down to his position or defense being the fact that he was a passive, not-directly-involved, hands-off kind of owner. It's a foolish claim. For many reasons. Especially if he received illegal products and distributed them to his trainers, and I am not saying he did that, because I don't know that for a fact; and I am certainly not going to believe some claims made here on a BB. Yes, I believe he bought the products and paid for them. I just don't know if he received and distributed them. Doesn't matter. I still think the sport and industry is better off without him.
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I don't know that any case Taylor is involved with will come down to his position or defense being the fact that he was a passive, not-directly-involved, hands-off kind of owner. It's a foolish claim. For many reasons. Especially if he received illegal products and distributed them to his trainers, and I am not saying he did that, because I don't know that for a fact; and I am certainly not going to believe some claims made here on a BB. Yes, I believe he bought the products and paid for them. I just don't know if he received and distributed them. Doesn't matter. I still think the sport and industry is better off without him.
You're the god damn reporter.
Go get some information.
This incessant speculation and what ifs.
Sounds like you're on the correct side of morality on this issue, but facts, when are they forthcoming.
Mike brings facts, you're connected, act smart, go get some.
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If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.
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If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.
Basically, the people who need to be gone that would give the honest guys a chance are the same people who govern and police the industry. And that's that.
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If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.
Absolutely! NYRA did it once, to some extent, and got Dutrow's financial records and cell phone bills and proved that he was "training" while on suspension. This should be the standard. One one hand, I think Gural has done what others haven't, but on the other hand, I was disappointed he caved on the Engblom suspension. Zero tolerance has to be absolute. No, not always black and white, but absolute. As far as the Mike stuff, to each their own to believe what they choose.
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Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.
As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent. The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.
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Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.
As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent. The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.
Yes it should be across the board and unbiased. But it isn't. And again that's because the people in power who govern and police are part of the problem. They also compete. And they are also documented in the same files entered into evidence by the FBI. See the real problem? Why do you think I'm blackballed having never had a day or penny suspension or fine? I'm a liability to them. Everyone else is scared and with good reason.
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Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.
As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent. The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.
You think gural gives a pass if the trainer in question only has a couple horses? Engblom fills the entry box with his large stable. This helps handle. This is a conflict of interest. Gural should not be the judge and jury. Losing engblom entries would cost gural revenue
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Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.
I agree, and I have zero problem with that. My position of guilt or innocence is not contingent upon whether Taylor actually received the products and distributed them. Independent of that I have long said, definitively, I feel the sport and business is better off without him. Period. I was thinking if he did NOT take possession, in his world, it opens the door to the "I know nothing" defense. Yes, it's absolutely BS, but I'd rather see the option completely off the table. LO>
As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent. The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.
I've read a lot about these contamination positives, from human meds, to pain patches, and so on. I can't speak to Engblom's case. I was speaking to Gural's position, and I was not happy that he caved.
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Yes it should be across the board and unbiased. But it isn't. And again that's because the people in power who govern and police are part of the problem. They also compete. And they are also documented in the same files entered into evidence by the FBI. See the real problem? Why do you think I'm blackballed having never had a day or penny suspension or fine? I'm a liability to them. Everyone else is scared and with good reason.
did you look at yourself on that video that you posted? You're pleading and begging for forgiveness was humiliating. Howard hasn't decided what he's going to do with you yet.
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did you look at yourself on that video that you posted? You're pleading and begging for forgiveness was humiliating. Howard hasn't decided what he's going to do with you yet.
Mike is shaking in his boots worrying about what Taylor is going to do. NOT!
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Mike is shaking in his boots worrying about what Taylor is going to do. NOT!
Guess he's unaware that Howard's attorney Tamar Wise called me two nights ago, thanked me and her only concern was who produced the video. Very civil conversation, I have her number now and told her I only deal in truth. It's clear their target is Gural and are looking for anything connecting him to any sort of defamtion they can use in court. Remember G said Howard doesn't know I exist??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Plopsters are right--Gural picks and chooses who he bans--the FBI was like a smorgasbord-he just picked out which ones he wanted-and which ones he didnt need.
That is also my biggest concern and would never happen with HISA. No matter how big or how many horses you have in Tbred racing you get booted--like BoB Baffert-they don't come much bigger- he was outed--for FAR FAR less what Mr Burke and others were doing in his barn from what Im reading--FACT.
If that was Baffert and they got him for an EPO mimetic-it would be curtains for him.
So Plopsters are on the ball with this one--if the top brass running the Sport are corrupt--they need to go first.
Im very surprised the NJ Racing commission( Tom Salerno and sara Ben David) sat on their hands while the evidence of PED use was laid out in front of them. Even blood samples sent to Hong Kong-showed evidence of Blood manipulation from these horses.
In unsealed FBI wiretaps between Fishman and prominent trainers (like Jeff Gillis), they openly discussed how they believed the drug was safely undetectable. Fishman explicitly boasted on the wiretaps that if investigators pulled blood 12 hours after an injection, the horse would test "safe".
The Hong Kong Jockey Club's advanced testing utterly destroyed this theory, proving that the drug's chemical signature left a detectable biological footprint far longer than Fishman realized.
So in a way- Engblom was a victim because it took the spotlight away from the Fishman and FBI case-so they booted him to make it look like they actually do something. Remember people using EPO or mimetics(same thing)-get a lifetime ban at certain tracks(egHarrahs, Monticello) and here we have trainers buying 50 doses or more-and are walking around like nothing happened. THIS has got to stop-and Im happy to see questions in the Howard Taylor case--OCT 12 is a date I read that Taylor AND Gural their trainers have to submit records--that will be interesting to say the least.
Its interesting that in the Taylor defamation case-Howard is relying on the fact that EPO and BB3 are chemically and structurally different. He will lose that case if im not mistaken because BB3 Acts as a workaround. Despite having a completely different chemical shape, it is designed to activate the EXACT same EPOR cellular pathway.
It triggers the SAME BIOLOGICAL result—surges in red blood cells and highly elevated oxygenation—without using the actual EPO molecule-so that is intent to cheat and a PED in my language and most other peoples also.
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Many valid points. Do I think Gural is perfect? No, not at all. Do I think he's better than most if not all others? Absolutely. Yet, he still allowed some to slide. There lies the problem. Transparency would help, but that's a discussion for another time, LOL. While Gural funded the original investigation, and was the catalyst, for a lot of what inevitably went down, and I commend him for that-----he is still going to be under everyone's magnifying glass.
As far as HISA, no, it is far from perfect, even far from ideal. But to me, for me, whether it be HISA or a deviation, it's inevitable. It has to be! Status quo was not working and the sport was diminishing, contracting, regressing. This industry, this sport, had self-regulation for the longest time, and failed. Period. HISA may not be everyone's want or solution, but something had to happen. Again, discussion for another time, LOL. Yes, Baffert, and Lou Pena, and OJ Simpson too, they fell victim to the Al Capone conviction theory. That too happens. Yes, whether it be political appointees, elected, I don't care who, track management, all of them, if they are corrupt, not only do they have to go, they should all be indicted as well. The NJRC is nothing more than another state-run, state-governed body that can't get out of their own way. Pre-Gural, whenever any horseman appealed, sued, whatever, the NJRC's win/loss record is abominable. After Jeff Lapoff, they did not do to well, LOL. The NJRC has done a horrible job for fifty years.
As far as Engblom, I am only looking at this from the Gural side, and as I said, I am not happy he caved. The optics are bad, and so is the reality. Gural is in a position to further change and better the sport-----as he already has-----and while I don't expect him to be perfect, I do expect a universal standard. I don't know why he caved on Engblom. I am sure there are substantive reasons, but I can't help wonder what they are, LOL.
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I agree, and I have zero problem with that. My position of guilt or innocence is not contingent upon whether Taylor actually received the products and distributed them. Independent of that I have long said, definitively, I feel the sport and business is better off without him. Period. I was thinking if he did NOT take possession, in his world, it opens the door to the "I know nothing" defense. Yes, it's absolutely BS, but I'd rather see the option completely off the table. LO>
The Sgt Schultz approach-wont fly in this case in my opinion for the following reason.
"maxim ignorantia juris non excusat"--Ignorance of the Law is no excuse
In a federal defamation trial like Taylor v. Gural, a jury does not look at claims of ignorance in a vacuum; they look at the concrete paper trail.
If Gural's legal team introduces the exact itemized training and veterinary bills into evidence from FBI files--showing line-by-line charges for black-market blood builders, Taylor cannot simply argue that he "never checked".
This is what I read---"The Willful Blindness Verdict: The law states that if an owner receives explicit, written notices of illegal activity on invoices they are actively paying month after month, choosing not to read them is willful blindness.
Legally, willful blindness completely satisfies the requirement for "knowledge." You cannot claim your reputation was wrongfully destroyed by an accusation if you were actively signing checks for the exact substance in question.
If the documentation proves Taylor was actively billing and paying for BB3, Gural's public statements are deemed "substantially true." Under US law, truth is an absolute defense to defamation
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Guess he's unaware that Howard's attorney Tamar Wise called me two nights ago, thanked me and her only concern was who produced the video. Very civil conversation, I have her number now and told her I only deal in truth. It's clear their target is Gural and are looking for anything connecting him to any sort of defamtion they can use in court. Remember G said Howard doesn't know I exist??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You were getting absolutely no attention from Howard. Then you went over the line to get attention from him,, now you've got problem all created from your narcissistic personality.
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You were getting absolutely no attention from Howard. Then you went over the line to get attention from him,, now you've got problem all created from your narcissistic personality.
Gural and Howard will resolve their differences.
Howard will give SCM all he can eat.
But SCM is busted out and Howard will have mercy.
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Gural and Howard will resolve their differences.
Howard will give SCM all he can eat.
But SCM is busted out and Howard will have mercy.
Yeah he won't sue the man who has roadblocked him in the sport's crown jewel race. Throw in Breeder's Crown too. I already publicized the records that ruined Delaware, Kentucky and Canada. That's not defamation, that's reality. tmbz1
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Yeah he won't sue the man who has roadblocked him in the sport's crown jewel race. Throw in Breeder's Crown too. I already publicized the records that ruined Delaware, Kentucky and Canada. That's not defamation, that's reality. tmbz1
He can’t hide from the facts
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Yeah he won't sue the man who has roadblocked him in the sport's crown jewel race. Throw in Breeder's Crown too. I already publicized the records that ruined Delaware, Kentucky and Canada. That's not defamation, that's reality. tmbz1
You just cut n pasted old news.
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You just cut n pasted old news.
And apparently it has a MASSIVE effect now didn't it!!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
But actually it was posting the evidence to the public that the commissions ignored. And the best was still how fast AGCO and the USTA acted when I posted the Gillis wiretap call. tmbz1
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Your garbage did nothing. You jumped on news and pretended you made it.
No legit publication used your name because they know you just cut n paste.
People are not stupid. Except Dave Yarrock who went to the paddock with you.
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Your garbage did nothing. You jumped on news and pretended you made it.
No legit publication used your name because they know you just cut n paste.
People are not stupid. Except Dave Yarrock who went to the paddock with you.
Dave went in the paddock with me? I hadn't been to a track in over a year. Try again.
Just stop ffs. You're done, toast, kaput. I can't believe I've destroyed you to this level, I've never actually witnessed somone fail so completely at faking an existence online..... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Gural and Howard will resolve their differences.
Howard will give SCM all he can eat.
But SCM is busted out and Howard will have mercy.
You really think Taylor and Gural will resolve their issues? Last I heard/read, Taylor was licensed in PA. Is he licensed anywhere else? Even if he gets past the NJRC, seriously, do you really think Gural is going to allow him to race under the present circumstances?
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You really think Taylor and Gural will resolve their issues? Last I heard/read, Taylor was licensed in PA. Is he licensed anywhere else? Even if he gets past the NJRC, seriously, do you really think Gural is going to allow him to race under the present circumstances?
I do. Circumstances change.
Taylor's explanation is a good one .. he just paid the bills. How does he know what BB3 is?
And does it really matter whose name goes down as owner?
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I do. Circumstances change.
Taylor's explanation is a good one .. he just paid the bills. How does he know what BB3 is?
And does it really matter whose name goes down as owner?
No doubt the situation is fluid, so without question the circumstances will change. But for the better (for Taylor)? Perhaps I am being optimistic, to the extreme of being naive about this issue-----but I just feel like the hole Taylor has ended up in has just gotten so deep that it might get harder and harder to dig himself out. Personally, I don't think Taylor's explanation is a good one. I think it's a foolish one. I think it's so foolish that it can make matters worse. It's offensive to be pitched that he was a passive, hands-off, not involved, I show up to get my picture taken, kind of owner. Everything proves the contrary.
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Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.
As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent. The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.
I must of missed this. Which Burke horses were given BB3? Gural needs to toss Burke if there is evidence of this.
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You were getting absolutely no attention from Howard. Then you went over the line to get attention from him,, now you've got problem all created from your narcissistic personality.
I have never met or had lunch with anyone involved here but IMO Mike has nothing to worry about at all, he has done nothing wrong. Most of us support 100 percent what he is doing regarding the welfare of horses and everyone that loves animals, in this case standardbreds here you would think, would feel the same way.
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No doubt the situation is fluid, so without question the circumstances will change. But for the better (for Taylor)? Perhaps I am being optimistic, to the extreme of being naive about this issue-----but I just feel like the hole Taylor has ended up in has just gotten so deep that it might get harder and harder to dig himself out. Personally, I don't think Taylor's explanation is a good one. I think it's a foolish one. I think it's so foolish that it can make matters worse. It's offensive to be pitched that he was a passive, hands-off, not involved, I show up to get my picture taken, kind of owner. Everything proves the contrary.
I cede all the ground you wish. Yours is the better version of things here but that said, this is U.S. harness racing where the business model is to fail as slowly as possible. There is a very small group of people who are making money in the sport. Gural and Taylor are in that group.
I have seen a list of Taylor's owned horses and there's dozens where he is a minority owner. Do we hold him culpable for those as well as his 100% owned horses? How do you split that hair.
In any event, I certainly didn't intend to offend if I did and have no pitch to offer.
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Sorry, I meant if that is Taylor's claim, that I find offensive. Someone else can offer that claim, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, belief, etc. Taylor can make that claim. If someone chooses to believe him, that's fine with me.
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Sorry, I meant if that is Taylor's claim, that I find offensive. Someone else can offer that claim, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, belief, etc. Taylor can make that claim. If someone chooses to believe him, that's fine with me.
Watching this asshole beg and apologize to Howard was something to watch. Mikeeee bit off more than he could chew with Howard. Now you don't hear this asshole say two words negative about him.
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Tell Jones and Casale there are people in the Village who have some questions regarding the Police vs. Firefighters Tug Of War day that was cancelled and why? I have 5000 reasons to ask. tmbz1
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I cede all the ground you wish. Yours is the better version of things here but that said, this is U.S. harness racing where the business model is to fail as slowly as possible. There is a very small group of people who are making money in the sport. Gural and Taylor are in that group.
I have seen a list of Taylor's owned horses and there's dozens where he is a minority owner. Do we hold him culpable for those as well as his 100% owned horses? How do you split that hair.
In any event, I certainly didn't intend to offend if I did and have no pitch to offer.
tmbz1 it was embarrassing to watch the pigeon apologize to Howard begging for forgiveness.
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tmbz1 it was embarrassing to watch the pigeon apologize to Howard begging for forgiveness.
Did your bookie ever pay you the $10 you won last month?
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I should post the video of Mikeee the pigeon apologizing to Howard. He was pleading for forgiveness I almost felt embarrassed for him watching the video.
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I should post the video of Mikeee the pigeon apologizing to Howard. He was pleading for forgiveness I almost felt embarrassed for him watching the video.
What's stopping you?
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What's stopping you?
If I made the video what's his point. Watch it and hear what I actually say. My God they're desperate ngc3
https://www.youtube.com/live/QTtGBunAdKM?is=jJBO6qICsJboZlRO
Hey G why weren't you at Goshen yesterday like you said you were. You missed a helluva show! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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If I made the video what's his point. Watch it and hear what I actually say. My God they're desperate ngc3
https://www.youtube.com/live/QTtGBunAdKM?is=jJBO6qICsJboZlRO
Hey G why weren't you at Goshen yesterday like you said you were. You missed a helluva show! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Tractor racing water truck?
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Tractor racing water truck?
Water truck went inside at least five pylons.
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I do. Circumstances change.
Taylor's explanation is a good one .. he just paid the bills. How does he know what BB3 is?
And does it really matter whose name goes down as owner?
tmbz1
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Did he quiver to ht's lawyer & take it down? Lol
tmbz1 listening to him pleading and apologizing to Howard I was embarrassed for him. Friends tell me he's reaching for straws but it's not going to help
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Maybe Howard will represent those horsemen who got fucked in a county fairs final after working all summer and lose income due to negligence.
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Maybe Howard will represent those horsemen who got fucked in a county fairs final after working all summer and lose income due to negligence.
Language Sweet
I mean Mike
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And then have the president of GHT belittle one of the people who got fucked because of his facilities negligence "see definition below" and tell that person their rants have been NOTED? This isn't going away for them.
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I hope someone sues GHT and wins. No excuse for something like that to ever happen.
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Language Sweet
I mean Mike
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it's amazing how he talks to himself all day
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it's amazing how he talks to himself all day
I heard your mother is so proud that you survived being ripped out of he womb by your rapist father, both of them tossing you out of the window, the neighborhood kids kicking you into the sewer ngc3....and look what you accomplished here today- delusional, retarded, a liar and coward tmbz1
ngc3
Enjoy your 2 quart cum lunch special with your soup d' jour corrupt bff ;D
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I heard your mother is so proud that you survived being ripped out of he womb by your rapist father, both of them tossing you out of the window, the neighborhood kids kicking you into the sewer ngc3....and look what you accomplished here today- delusional, retarded, a liar and coward tmbz1
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Enjoy your 2 quart cum lunch special with your soup d' jour corrupt bff ;D
Language Mike
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Language Mike
I have him on ignore for another week I could imagine what he said.
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I have him on ignore for another week I could imagine what he said.
He said you are a misfit