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Title: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: themightythor on August 14, 2026, 03:48:08 PM
handle,location are going to be issues,but the real problem is all the trotters who will be competing for the hambo will be racing half way across the country. 98% of hambo hopefuls are raised and raced on the east coast. most stables who compete in hambo dont stable anywhere near indy. how soon does melander,ake,toscano,pelling etc bitch about this.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 03:51:30 PM
Bitch all they want. Signed and sealed for 3 years. Dry those tears. It will forgotten just like Freehold. 11.wp
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Lockedin with Pace on August 14, 2026, 03:54:33 PM
handle,location are going to be issues,but the real problem is all the trotters who will be competing for the hambo will be racing half way across the country. 98% of hambo hopefuls are raised and raced on the east coast. most stables who compete in hambo dont stable anywhere near indy. how soon does melander,ake,toscano,pelling etc bitch about this.


Seems like the one bitching the most is you.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: ScrapeThePaint on August 14, 2026, 04:07:45 PM
handle,location are going to be issues,but the real problem is all the trotters who will be competing for the hambo will be racing half way across the country. 98% of hambo hopefuls are raised and raced on the east coast. most stables who compete in hambo dont stable anywhere near indy. how soon does melander,ake,toscano,pelling etc bitch about this.

Top horses travel across the country for big races all the time. That's not an issue.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Racetime on August 14, 2026, 05:13:41 PM
OMG.... how do you think they raced at DuQuoin for 25 years   ngc3
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: jupiter on August 14, 2026, 07:46:29 PM
Everyone already goes out to Hoosier already. A number of them are there tonight. If you race for good money people will travel. Some people might remember the Grand Circuit western swing. DuQuoin, Indiana State Fair, Springfield. Fun times, On July 4,1970 I watched Most Happy Fella win in 1:58.2, Stanley Dancer. Goshen NY. We would stay most places for at least a week. Travel provided by some of the following, Woodbury, George Hutt, Brook Ledge and Meadowbrook (rip Ralph) If you had a good horse you traveled track to track.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: LUCPARK on August 14, 2026, 08:08:02 PM
Did Hoosier get the hambo?
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: gurals casino on August 14, 2026, 08:09:28 PM
Did Hoosier get the hambo?

 ngc3
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 08:09:47 PM
Ask Mike Campbell. ngc3
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: themightythor on August 14, 2026, 08:14:37 PM
luc if i make the trip,you better have a vip table,booth,section for me
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: gurals casino on August 14, 2026, 08:16:07 PM
this decision is not a democracy

JG would only commit for 2027 and The "Society" wanted more than a year-so they took it

fan sentiment, location, handle, etc does not change the outcome

its official tmbz1

get accustomed to it
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 08:17:24 PM
 tmbz1
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Laag on August 14, 2026, 08:32:40 PM
almost all the horses will not be prepping in Indiana...so first time on track...at Big M, Hambo horses regularly prepped with a couple if not mutliple prep races...still have walner colts in the njss,  assuming the dancer is still at big m. so people can crack jokes but Hoosier Park isnt where they are going to be training,  Apex raced exclusively at the big m this year
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Lockedin with Pace on August 14, 2026, 08:35:06 PM
Hoosier could create their own prep races. Whether it's a good idea or not doesn't matter, it's a done deal!
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 08:35:25 PM
They can train on the moon BUT if they want to win The Hambletonian, they will go to Indiana. 11.wp
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Laag on August 14, 2026, 08:44:19 PM
Hoosier could create their own prep races. Whether it's a good idea or not doesn't matter, it's a done deal!

really? with what money...if horses are stabled in NJ and PA you think they are shipping them for a month or more to Indiana
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 08:49:28 PM
How about some $$ from the place they got the $$ to secure the Hambo. A distance to travel. Tough break.
Fuck Mark Ford, Fuck Jeff Gural, Fuck NJ. and Fuck you + your precious handle. 11.wp
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: captaintreacherous on August 14, 2026, 08:58:33 PM
Racing at Hoosier Park...

just doesnt have that spark....

It's Hicksville

Meadowlands way way better
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Laag on August 14, 2026, 09:58:37 PM
the only positive of the switch is that Hollywood Heyden will once again rightfully be center stage doing interviews during the Hambo
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: JT on August 14, 2026, 10:15:19 PM
Racing at Hoosier Park...

just doesnt have that spark....

It's Hicksville

Meadowlands way way better
Some not all.. some of the east coasters on here make me want to puke
Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana.. us Midwesterners are all hicks, rednecks, hillbillies and white trash in your eyes
We are just flyover country. Meaningless..a spec on the map.
Quit acting so entitled. Its nauseating.
Yeah Meadowlands used to be better
Its not the 1990's anymore
Gural had his chance and blew it
Get over it!!
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 14, 2026, 10:27:01 PM
Big Ranger didn't 'PREP' at THe M[1]. Hadn't raced on a mile but gee, he seemed to do pretty well.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Laag on August 14, 2026, 11:04:41 PM
gee one outlier out of 10 and they couldnt even trust the folksy trainer
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on August 14, 2026, 11:14:38 PM
They race a boring style because the stretch is so long.  Two wide flow is slow to develop.  They gap horribly.  The track is made for pacers not trotters.  Track has a major local bias.  The announcers voice is annoying. 
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: rainman2 on August 15, 2026, 12:37:07 AM
handle,location are going to be issues,but the real problem is all the trotters who will be competing for the hambo will be racing half way across the country. 98% of hambo hopefuls are raised and raced on the east coast. most stables who compete in hambo dont stable anywhere near indy. how soon does melander,ake,toscano,pelling etc bitch about this.

Didn't people trek to Pompano Park {RIP} for breeders crown and the matron years ago?

Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: toothman on August 15, 2026, 07:34:04 AM
the only positive of the switch is that Hollywood Heyden will once again rightfully be center stage doing interviews during the Hambo

Thats a really good point. I don't have this hardon for Jeff Gural like many othere, but he kicked Holly to the curb.
He deserved better.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Lockedin with Pace on August 15, 2026, 08:26:33 AM
Gural employs nothing but "yes men" starting with his lapdog CEO, Jason Chapstick Settlemoir.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: JT on August 15, 2026, 08:32:19 AM
Gural employs nothing but "yes men" starting with his lapdog CEO, Jason Chapstick Settlemoir.
Settlemoir has kissed Roger Huston's ass for years at the LBJ
I've seen it firsthand and not just over the pa system
That's how he got the announcer gig there. It was Sam McKee RIP
Then it was Steve Cross..who isn't awful but he didn't pucker up enough I suppose
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 08:57:33 AM
Bitch all they want. Signed and sealed for 3 years. Dry those tears. It will forgotten just like Freehold. 11.wp

Very symbolic how harness racing is being "forgotten" by more and more people.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 08:59:43 AM
OMG.... how do you think they raced at DuQuoin for 25 years   ngc3

They raced heats back then as well. The horse of the year last year left Mohawk one time and that was an hour away.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 09:00:47 AM
this decision is not a democracy

JG would only commit for 2027 and The "Society" wanted more than a year-so they took it

fan sentiment, location, handle, etc does not change the outcome

its official tmbz1

get accustomed to it


More reason than ever to end the government handouts so the industry does have to take the fans into account.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: LUCPARK on August 15, 2026, 09:00:52 AM
Hoosierpark got hambo  tmbz1

Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 09:14:57 AM
Big Ranger didn't 'PREP' at THe M[1]. Hadn't raced on a mile but gee, he seemed to do pretty well.

Let's apply that logic to Beau Jangles...
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 09:16:33 AM
Hoosierpark got hambo  tmbz1

A track with one third the average handle of the Meadowlands.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 09:20:04 AM
Hoosierpark got hambo  tmbz1

Here is the simplified list of USA harness tracks ranked by their average handle tier:

Elite Market Leader (Over $2.5 Million Per Card)The Meadowlands (New Jersey)


Major Regional Tracks ($500,000 – $1 Million+ Per Card)Yonkers Raceway (New York)Saratoga Harness (New York)MGM Northfield Park (Ohio)The Red Mile (Kentucky)

Mid-Market Tracks ($200,000 – $500,000 Per Card)The Meadows (Pennsylvania)Pocono Downs at Mohegan Pennsylvania (Pennsylvania)Harrah’s Philadelphia (Pennsylvania)Miami Valley Gaming (Ohio)Hoosier Park (Indiana)

Smaller Regional Circuits (Under $200,000 Per Card)Batavia Downs (New York)Monticello Raceway (New York)
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: gurals casino on August 15, 2026, 09:34:09 AM
Yonkers does not  come close to handling $500k

that list needs an update
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: Kenny on August 15, 2026, 10:11:31 AM
Yonkers does not close to handling $500k

that list needs an update

During the winter and spring it is over $600k. When more tracks are racing it is over $450k and on stakes cards it is over $1,000,000.
Title: Re: REAL REASON WHY THE HAMBO IN INDY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA
Post by: gurals casino on August 15, 2026, 10:17:11 AM
During the winter and spring it is over $600k. When more tracks are racing it is over $450k and on stakes cards it is over $1,000,000.

you are making up numpers and live in fantasy land 73cv.2
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