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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: captaintreacherous on July 14, 2026, 07:42:48 AM
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I have noticed that there are 2 or 3 "Expert" posters
that seem to be very knowledgable or at least say they are...all Midwest "Provincial" players...
as they held the Chicago tracks in high esteem
while the East Coast tracks are "poorly run" and
should be closed.
While one poster mentions the horses he or she owns. the long posting trio seem to have a superb
perception of how "not to run a track" e.g.
The Meadowlands...man y would say that this begs the
question of why there is no racing left in Illinois?
I myself used to love the old Balmoral ..and Sportsman's
Park was excellent.
One would think that if Midwest Racing was so
wonderful where are Michigan and Illinois
in terms of the USTA list of Harness Tracks?
Answer: there are none.
Guess it must have been the Christian Track
operators...or were they "Hebrew Track Management"
that ruined the racing?
I am thinking that Yonkers , Monticello, Saratoga,Batavia,
Buffalo, and Tioga seem to be still there...
as well as The Meadowlands thanks to Jeff Gural.
while Balmoral, Maywood, Sportsman's and others
in Illinois have gone the way of the Dodo bird...
Where were you?
Many feel that the expert posters on here who donot agree
with Track Management..wheth er "Hebrew" or "Christian"..
or "Athiest"...or any specific track...
step up to the plate and buy these tracks out...
Put up $60,000,000 to $75,000,000+ of their own cash
and set forth to do a better job...as you are Track Management
Experts.
Needless to say, You will be working 10 hour days
and 60 hour+ weeks...so don't get comfortable.
What's that?
You are short on cash...and time?
So maybe its time to sit back and let the real players
in the Industry run the show.
If you have any serious comments with regard to improving
The Meadowlands...giv e Jeff Gural a call..
chances are he will actually return your call.
It is real easy to complain and slander anonymously
from a keyboard .
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Are you affiliated with the BigM and or Jeff Gural, it very much seems that way. Your $100k or his to buy this site?
To answer your question...
"Illinois harness racing effectively collapsed because its tracks were historically denied permission to operate slot machines ("racinos") to subsidize prize purses. This triggered a talent and investment exodus to neighboring states. By contrast, New York and New Jersey heavily protected and funded their industries."
"Illinois: Tracks like Hawthorne Race Course (Besides Two Toes BS and mismanagement ngc3) and the now-defunct Maywood Park and Balmoral Park were not permitted to add lucrative casino games until 2019. The prolonged delays in financing these casinos, mounting track debt, and bounced prize checks to horsemen resulted in the Illinois Racing Board suspending Hawthorne's harness license, threatening the sport's survival."
Using "a success ngc3" as an example...
"New York: The state supports its harness racing industry by routing massive tax revenues from commercial casinos and "racinos" (like those at Yonkers Raceway and Saratoga Casino Hotel) directly into purse accounts."
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The asshole named Lucpark identifies M1 as the Hebrew owned track. Of course the midget doesn't realize that the track he races his horses at did less business with a card of Breeders Crown races than the Hebrew owned track did with a card of amateur races. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Well not sure Lucparc can even count to 10 so I get his stupidity on everything. Add to that a racist fuck
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Isn't it funny how this topic was addressed to the Chicago expert posters and of course you know who has to chime in with his copy and paste.
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I have noticed that there are 2 or 3 "Expert" posters
that seem to be very knowledgable or at least say they are...all Midwest "Provincial" players...
as they held the Chicago tracks in high esteem
while the East Coast tracks are "poorly run" and
should be closed.
While one poster mentions the horses he or she owns. the long posting trio seem to have a superb
perception of how "not to run a track" e.g.
The Meadowlands...man y would say that this begs the
question of why there is no racing left in Illinois?
I myself used to love the old Balmoral ..and Sportsman's
Park was excellent.
One would think that if Midwest Racing was so
wonderful where are Michigan and Illinois
in terms of the USTA list of Harness Tracks?
Answer: there are none.
Guess it must have been the Christian Track
operators...or were they "Hebrew Track Management"
that ruined the racing?
I am thinking that Yonkers , Monticello, Saratoga,Batavia,
Buffalo, and Tioga seem to be still there...
as well as The Meadowlands thanks to Jeff Gural.
while Balmoral, Maywood, Sportsman's and others
in Illinois have gone the way of the Dodo bird...
Where were you?
Many feel that the expert posters on here who donot agree
with Track Management..wheth er "Hebrew" or "Christian"..
or "Athiest"...or any specific track...
step up to the plate and buy these tracks out...
Put up $60,000,000 to $75,000,000+ of their own cash
and set forth to do a better job...as you are Track Management
Experts.
Needless to say, You will be working 10 hour days
and 60 hour+ weeks...so don't get comfortable.
What's that?
You are short on cash...and time?
So maybe its time to sit back and let the real players
in the Industry run the show.
If you have any serious comments with regard to improving
The Meadowlands...giv e Jeff Gural a call..
chances are he will actually return your call.
It is real easy to complain and slander anonymously
from a keyboard .
I have never been to any of those tracks in the mid-west but was saddened by their closings. The end of racing anywhere always affects many people negatively. Here in New England, we have seen more tracks close then we can count. I'm not sure why some posters have to inject "Hebrew" or "Christian" or any religion when talking about ownership of a track. It's just kind of stupid. But I'm used to it already. That aside, the tracks still running in the northeast are a welcome sight to a fan like me. With all the hate and vitriolic comments made about Jeff Gural, I think i'm still glad he's in the business. He's an old guy now, so who knows what the future will bring. But I think harness racing will be a lot sadder if he sells his tracks to devolpers and gets out of the business.
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I have never been to any of those tracks in the mid-west but was saddened by their closings. The end of racing anywhere always affects many people negatively. Here in New England, we have seen more tracks close then we can count. I'm not sure why some posters have to inject "Hebrew" or "Christian" or any religion when talking about ownership of a track. It's just kind of stupid. That aside, the tracks still running in the northeast are a welcome sight to a fan like me. With all the hate and vitriolic comments made about Jeff Gural, I think i'm still glad he's in the business. He's an old guy now, so who knows what the future will bring. But I think harness racing will be a lot sadder if he sells his track to devolpers and gets out of the business.
Jeff leases the M1 from the state of NJ
he claims he loses money every time he turns the lights on.
his hopes of having a casino anytime soon are dead-it will not even make it to the ballot in November
he has said this the last year for The Hambletonian at "his" track
the title is about Chicago racing-but the thread is not
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Thanks Mike Campbell and Dougie...
These are 2 posters who know the score.
Just too bad that this site was ruined by one or 2
posters that are racists.
Really gives the Sport a bad name...and one supposedly
owns horses...hard to believe.
yet he is more than willing to hurt The Sport as well
as the site with his nasty comments.
A Child at best...probably was beaten up in the playground
and now trying to get back at the world.
A very selfish individual ....
and there is one poster that laughingly proclaims
himself to be a "Good Guy, and a Good Christian"
while insulting The Jewish Heritage....
so he is not a Good guy...nor a Good Christian....
Maybe he should know that his Master was a Jew.
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Gurals Casino...
Maybe you can do a better job?
We are waiting.
Many think running a racetrack in NJ with the casino
interests is a walk in the park...
These casino companies donot wish to share the windfall
with any racetracks...
Gural is trying...which is 100% more than many.
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Jeff leases the M1 from the state of NJ
he claims he loses money every time he turns the lights on.
his hopes of having a casino anytime soon are dead-it will not even make it to the ballot in November
he has said this the last year for The Hambletonian at "his" track
the title is about Chicago racing-but the thread is not
I think there is little to talk about concerning Chicago racing. Like New England, in pretty bad shape. Nothing will bring them back. But do you think harness racing will be better served if the Meadowlands go the way of the "Dodo"?
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Gurals Casino...
Maybe you can do a better job?
We are waiting.
Many think running a racetrack in NJ with the casino
interests is a walk in the park...
These casino companies donot wish to share the windfall
with any racetracks...
Gural is trying...which is 100% more than many.
Truth is the hate for Gural is kind of interesting. If it's because he's Jewish, well that's very sad. Not surprising. But still sad. If a person has a disagreement with how he runs the track, thar's fine. Every person is entitled to his opinion. And Gural's Casino is right about one thing. It looks pretty certain there will be no casino at the Meadowlands. But it still begs the question. Do the folks who support harness racing want to see the Meadowlands close it doors?
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Gurals Casino...
Maybe you can do a better job?
We are waiting.
Many think running a racetrack in NJ with the casino
interests is a walk in the park...
These casino companies donot wish to share the windfall
with any racetracks...
Gural is trying...which is 100% more than many.
huh?
I did not criticize the way he runs his track
all I did was state facts
he has been crying/posturing for a casino for over 10 years and feels he is entitled to one
he grossly misjudged the way Trenton operates--and he isn't getting his casino
if you have a problem with that--good luck to you tmbz1
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I think there is little to talk about concerning Chicago racing. Like New England, in pretty bad shape. Nothing will bring them back. But do you think harness racing will be better served if the Meadowlands go the way of the "Dodo"?
two days a week racing filled with freehold horses and amateur driving races....for several years now
other than 5 weeks a year-it is already in do-do land
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Over the years,JOHN FRANK ARMY has defended LUCPARK on anythin. Maybe my post don't count as I a TB guy.
But the guy has been in the standard bred game a long time. Grew up in it: IS A FACK. Nows the CHICAGO circuit like no other.
Hard not to take his opion not seriously. Might not be the greatest handicapper bein around the game so long,but he do know the game.
Did JOHN FRANK ARMY just compliment LUC. ME brains must be goin mush.
If you read this LUC. Read on another post that GENE,"CIGAR",passed away. Is that true. He was a good friend.
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Great thoughts J.F.!, However opinions are are like ass holes ( everyone has one)! Guy's who profess to know how and why somethings aren't working enjoy the thrill that comes from being correct if indeed they actually solved the issue from afar.In my opinion 😉!
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Well not sure Lucparc can even count to 10 so I get his stupidity on everything. Add to that a racist fuck
Hey jim
Didn’t your trainer get caught doping a horse on super night at balmoral
You had to give money back and you the pigeon paid for trainers lawyers fees
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You fvkin nitwit
Stay down jim
Worry about the ugly ass family you Bred
No winners of one to be claimed for 5500 ngc3 ngc3
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Over the years,JOHN FRANK ARMY has defended LUCPARK on anythin. Maybe my post don't count as I a TB guy.
But the guy has been in the standard bred game a long time. Grew up in it: IS A FACK. Nows the CHICAGO circuit like no other.
Hard not to take his opion not seriously. Might not be the greatest handicapper bein around the game so long,but he do know the game.
Did JOHN FRANK ARMY just compliment LUC. ME brains must be goin mush.
If you read this LUC. Read on another post that GENE,"CIGAR",passed
away. Is that true. He was a good friend.
OMG HE PASSED AWAY
NO WSY GENO WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THRU THR YRS
LET ME CK I HOPE NOT
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Isn't it funny how this topic was addressed to the Chicago expert posters and of course you know who has to chime in with his copy and paste.
Hey KIRB
JIM BAFIA HAS BEEN OUR PERSONAL PIGEON ON HERE FOR YRS
CALHOUND WILL BE UP HERE IN FEW TO TEAR HIM A NEW ASS JOLE ngc3 ngc3. AGAIN
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Good post Dougie...
The Neo Nazi / KKK guy that adds the "Hebrew" to the
track owner's name is begging for some attention in his life.
"Horseplop" gives him some "worth"...but we all
know he is the saddest person out there.
He is crying inside and will only answer with 5th
grade language...
Actually, the USTA will be looking into the possibility of having his license suspended
for "behaviour detrimental to the sport".
A State Racing license is a privilege ...and any track
may choose the right of exclusivity" with regard to
the choice of its participants....f or a specific reason
or no reason at all.
Racist banter is certainly not elevating the Sport of
Harness Racing to any extent.
The legal department of the USTA will be alerted to
a possible suspension of his License (s).
An associate has emailed his name to several
Racing Commissions including Indiana....
Hoosier Park could declare him a "persona non gratis"..
He will need an attorney....and be tied up in court for years.
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Gurals Casino....
If you remember maybe in the 1990's Yonkers
was racing $4000 claimers to keep the track going..
and Tim Rooney wasn't a "Hebrew Track" owner!!!!
If Meadowlands could race for $30k purses every race
they would...but unfortunately with no casino or slots
they cannot.
Illinois gone, Michigan gone...Meadowland s still there..
Interesting.
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Gurals Casino....
If you remember maybe in the 1990's Yonkers
was racing $4000 claimers to keep the track going..
and Tim Rooney wasn't a "Hebrew Track" owner!!!!
If Meadowlands could race for $30k purses every race
they would...but unfortunately with no casino or slots
they cannot.
Illinois gone, Michigan gone...Meadowland s still there..
Interesting.
allow me to elaborate a bit further.....
it doesn't matter if he is Jewish, Muislim, Buddhist or Christian...he is just another human being
no hate for Gural here..however, his intent all along for "saving the M1" was just a facade for wanting a casino
his declaring himself "saviour" and feeling entitled to have a casino has rubbed many the wrong way
he is a snake oil salesman who didn't understand how NJ politics work
you cannot just put on your Burger King crown, walk in to the Trenton State House, declare yourself "Saviour" and expect to be awarded a casino. He thought he deserved it.
Some transparency would be nice. If he truly was a saviour--he wouldn't complain about the electric bills, overhead, etc, He wouldn't have threatened to stop hosting The Hambletonian(he already ended his relationship with them)..and he wouldn't shit all over his own customers by getting in to bed with the CAW handle.
If you want to be a true savior, then dig in to your pockets and keep your mouth shut, instead of whining and crying and threatening.
this is not hate against him and has nothing to do with him being Jewish. This is also not a dream/wish that harness racing ends, It is just facts.
Maybe racing would be better off without a M1, breeding is way down(except KY/OH), fields are smaller, handle decreases every year--maybe some contraction would be healthier for what is left of the industry.
some also seem to think a north Jersey casino will solve all the problems. That is a joke.
Breeders and owners that are still interested are moving and concentrating their efforts and resources to Kentucky.
Everyone just needs to let go of the warm and fuzzy feelings that The M1 provided for us in the 80s and 90s and take a gulp of reality. Times have changed. There will be no casino for Gural anytime soon.
Get over it.
Now I expect to labeled a Gural hater, a harness racing hater, and/or an anti-semite.
as Brett Kavanaugh once said while lying to The Senate...."go ahead, have at it"
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Gural's Casino.....I don't think that anyone on here called you a "Gural hater, a harness racing hater, or an anti-semite". And you make valid points about some of Gural's shortcomings. And very few harness racing fans believes that the Meadowlands will ever return to the glory days of the 80's and 90's. My personal belief is that I want to Meadowlands to continue racing. If all the NY/NJ breeders go to Kentucky, that's a sad reality. Although I hope some of the breeders will stay. I am hoping the Meadowlands endures in the years to come.
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allow me to elaborate a bit further.....
it doesn't matter if he is Jewish, Muislim, Buddhist or Christian...he is just another human being
no hate for Gural here..however, his intent all along for "saving the M1" was just a facade for wanting a casino
his declaring himself "saviour" and feeling entitled to have a casino has rubbed many the wrong way
he is a snake oil salesman who didn't understand how NJ politics work
you cannot just put on your Burger King crown, walk in to the Trenton State House, declare yourself "Saviour" and expect to be awarded a casino. He thought he deserved it.
Some transparency would be nice. If he truly was a saviour--he wouldn't complain about the electric bills, overhead, etc, He wouldn't have threatened to stop hosting The Hambletonian(he already ended his relationship with them)..and he wouldn't shit all over his own customers by getting in to bed with the CAW handle.
If you want to be a true savior, then dig in to your pockets and keep your mouth shut, instead of whining and crying and threatening.
this is not hate against him and has nothing to do with him being Jewish. This is also not a dream/wish that harness racing ends, It is just facts.
Maybe racing would be better off without a M1, breeding is way down(except KY/OH), fields are smaller, handle decreases every year--maybe some contraction would be healthier for what is left of the industry.
some also seem to think a north Jersey casino will solve all the problems. That is a joke.
Breeders and owners that are still interested are moving and concentrating their efforts and resources to Kentucky.
Everyone just needs to let go of the warm and fuzzy feelings that The M1 provided for us in the 80s and 90s and take a gulp of reality. Times have changed. There will be no casino for Gural anytime soon.
Get over it.
Now I expect to labeled a Gural hater, a harness racing hater, and/or an anti-semite.
as Brett Kavanaugh once said while lying to The Senate...."go ahead, have at it"
An excellent post. When Gural first entered the scene, I actually supported his efforts. A friend of mine, who also posted here, kept telling me how dumb I was, that Gural was just a snake oil salesman. He was correct. Gural is nothing but a hypocrite. He hires horse dopers to train for him, but ran out Pena for doing the same thing his trainers did. His entire purpose for "saving" the Meadowlands was to eventually get a casino there. The Meadowlands loses money, almost every time they open their doors. Harness racing is filled with horse dopers, women beaters, drunks, and drug addicts. It's not just Gural to blame either, the racing commissions, whose responsibility is to safeguard the integrity of the sport, is just as corrupt as the rest. No rules enforced equally, no regulation, and this is what harness racing has become. A sport that only exists because of welfare. Without casinos, harness racing has ZERO chance of survival.
Sincerely, Silent One
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OK....but similar tracks such as Yonkers, in point.
Didnot Tim Rooney threaten to close Yonkers if he didnot
get a casino...He cried Bloody murder..and while I loved
and frequented YR they were down to 4k Claimers for
awhile....
and for awhile it looked very bleak.
So Rooney finally got his casino and then sold out to MGM
but for Gural to try and get a casino doesnt fly?
Gural spent quite abit of cash and time keeping the M1
afloat to this point....so an effort to try to secure
a casino is a poor business move.?
If you owned M1 (or leased it) would you try for a casino
license?
I know I would.
All The NY tracks have their casinos/slots but M1
shouldnot get one?
Ohio and Pa tracks have theirs....even Plainridge
has a casino/slots..in Mass...
New York Yes, Canada Yes..
All thriving and the $$ trickle down to the racetracks.
Racing is DEAD without the casinos...This we know.
Michigan No slots Gone
Illinois No slots Gone
There is a theme developing here and we hope you see.
The M1 GONE without a casino/slots
So Gural is trying to save the Racing and Make a buck
in the process...
Nothing wrong with this..
Heck..If Donald Trump owned the M1 there would be
a casino there 5 years ago.
Lets call a spade a spade.
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Why are the Jews of Plops so fast to play the Anti-Semite card?
Disagree about Gural? You hate Jews
Point out Israeli Genocide of innocent children? You an Anti-Semite
Note the Hebrew rape and slaughter of West Bank Palestinians? You are a Jew Hater.
Just remember this ... you are The Chosen People. ... and
You are the Christ Killers.
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OK....but similar tracks such as Yonkers, in point.
Didnot Tim Rooney threaten to close Yonkers if he didnot
get a casino...He cried Bloody murder..and while I loved
and frequented YR they were down to 4k Claimers for
awhile....
and for awhile it looked very bleak.
So Rooney finally got his casino and then sold out to MGM
but for Gural to try and get a casino doesnt fly?
Gural spent quite abit of cash and time keeping the M1
afloat to this point....so an effort to try to secure
a casino is a poor business move.?
If you owned M1 (or leased it) would you try for a casino
license?
I know I would.
All The NY tracks have their casinos/slots but M1
shouldnot get one?
Ohio and Pa tracks have theirs....even Plainridge
has a casino/slots..in Mass...
New York Yes, Canada Yes..
All thriving and the $$ trickle down to the racetracks.
Racing is DEAD without the casinos...This we know.
Michigan No slots Gone
Illinois No slots Gone
There is a theme developing here and we hope you see.
The M1 GONE without a casino/slots
So Gural is trying to save the Racing and Make a buck
in the process...
Nothing wrong with this..
Heck..If Donald Trump owned the M1 there would be
a casino there 5 years ago.
Lets call a spade a spade.
People have come to understand that with gural, the reality is he has been trying to make a buck via the failed racing business at the meadowlands. The savior stuff eventually got broadly recognized as disingenuous
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Calhoon,
You think that anyone that stands up against your racist
comments may be Jewish.
Not so...You and your buddy belong in the KKK
section at baseball games..Seat 1 and 2.
You really believe that todays current Jewish population
killed "Jesus Christ" ?
You are....putting us on? No?
I guess you need a reason to hate...and I am sure
your father was of Nazi and/or White Supremacist heritage?
That is rather obvious...He taught you well.
PS The consensus among historians and scientists
have agreed that Jesus was a historical figure that
may or may not have existed.
I am Christian but the Bible (2nd Testament) was
written by scribes 200-500 years after historical
Jesus existed.
They were the screenwriters of ancient times..
The Romans cruxified hundreds of thousands if not millions
on the Appian Way...and they may have executed
thousands of men named Yeshua..(Jesus).
Did Moses part the Red Sea? Did he speak to a burning bush..
Did Jesus walk on water? and rise from the dead?
Quite possibly, but scientists say No.
Even as a Christian I donot believe the above.
So your theory on Christkillers may never have come
to fruition..but certainly you may believe all the above.
That is what faith is about.
You are at the very least misguided..
Just out of curiousity....Did you graduate from
a College in the US or Europe?
Your buddy "Hebrew" I would guarantee not a chance.
He speaks 5th grade English at best..
Did he steal the funds to buy racehorses or Daddy left him
some gelt?
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Gural? Look at our boy from Queens NY
He has made billions while in office...
and he is not a Hebrew....!!!
How could this be??
From reading some of the Horseplop posts I was
under the impression that only "Hebrews" wanted
to make a profit.
Trump has brought the USA to a new low...
and I actually like the guy....but Donnie was never
Presidential material and the supporters now are
running for the hills...except for the few that are
still hanging on.
But Gural is the villain....
Excellent!