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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Pacer 2 on May 21, 2026, 01:52:33 AM
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https://ustrottingnews.com/derby-day-pick-4-carryover-sets-oak-grove-betting-record/
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Are you high?
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They are getting the best horses for now. Ofcourse people will bet until the good stock is gone. They are Just like the meadowlands use to be for a few days a yr. Hardly thriving. The meadowlands would be like that every race day. Best of the best. Now you have amish guys driving there living out their dreams of driving at the big M.
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owners, trainers, and drivers at the higher levels are making serious money, and some stakes programs are actually richer than decades ago.
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Oak Grove handled around 1 million. That is for Saturday and Monday combined. That is anything but thriving. The top 5% in the sport are making money. Everyone else is doing okay or just getting by. Look at the tracks today. Only Yonkers and Plainridge have good purses. Eight tracks and six have okay to low purses.
#THRIVING...NOT!!!
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Take away the welfare money from the casinos and tell us its thriving
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Oak Grove handled around 1 million. That is for Saturday and Monday combined. That is anything but thriving. The top 5% in the sport are making money. Everyone else is doing okay or just getting by. Look at the tracks today. Only Yonkers and Plainridge have good purses. Eight tracks and six have okay to low purses.
#THRIVING...NOT!!!
That’s not accurate at all. Saratoga, Pocono, Meadows and the tracks in Delaware have great purses. Not to mention Scioto. Pocono has 12,500 overnight claimers going for $11,000 purse. Thats not chum change, that’s good money for the average Horseman who races in claiming conditions
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i still do not understand why some continue to reference "casino welfare money"
does nobody recall that this transaction was part of the agreement that allowed casinos to gain a foothold by entering via racetracks
time does not diminish nor make an agreement less relevant or legal
if anything the casinos have not held up their end of the bargain at some of the tracks, they do nothing to promote or enhance racing and now would like to welch on their agreement and decouple
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That’s not accurate at all. Saratoga, Pocono, Meadows and the tracks in Delaware have great purses. Not to mention Scioto. Pocono has 12,500 overnight claimers going for $11,000 purse. Thats not chum change, that’s good money for the average Horseman who races in claiming conditions
Are there any rules at Pocono?
Do they test there?
This is a sample of who you are racing against:
Eckley, Taneyhill, Pena, Chrissman Jr., Belcher, Brittney Dillon, etc al
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owners, trainers, and drivers at the higher levels are making serious money, and some stakes programs are actually richer than decades ago.
https://ustrottingnews.com/harness-racing-stars-at-philly-for-super-sunday/
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i still do not understand why some continue to reference "casino welfare money"
does nobody recall that this transaction was part of the agreement that allowed casinos to gain a foothold by entering via racetracks
time does not diminish nor make an agreement less relevant or legal
if anything the casinos have not held up their end of the bargain at some of the tracks, they do nothing to promote or enhance racing and now would like to welch on their agreement and decouple
tmbz1 tmbz1
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owners, trainers, and drivers at the higher levels are making serious money, and some stakes programs are actually richer than decades ago.
Where was Ohio racing before VLT'S-both in overnight and sires stakes?
Where is it today?
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Are there any rules at Pocono?
Do they test there?
This is a sample of who you are racing against:
Eckley, Taneyhill, Pena, Chrissman Jr., Belcher, Brittney Dillon, etc al
Of course they test. How dumb are you?
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Of course they test. How dumb are you?
Not as dumb as you think---do they get caught is a better question!
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Are there any rules at Pocono?
Do they test there?
This is a sample of who you are racing against:
Eckley, Taneyhill, Pena, Chrissman Jr., Belcher, Brittney Dillon, etc al
Rules and testing? Of course they do. That has zero today with what we are talking about.
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Rules and testing? Of course they do. That has zero today with what we are talking about.
It is thriving for quite a few names I mentioned, not the everyday horsemen!
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It is thriving for quite a few names I mentioned, not the everyday horsemen!
ngc3
You're awesome! ngc3
Thank you for teaching the challenged the nuances and complexities tmbz1
The lighting was mighty dim here, I can see my flip flops now thanks to you ngc3
Best of luck race day! ;D
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ngc3
You're awesome! ngc3
Thank you for teaching the challenged the nuances and complexities tmbz1
The lighting was mighty dim here, I can see my flip flops now thanks to you ngc3
Best of luck race day! ;D
I hope so!
Short field, not the best draw for him!
Mares open--double jump!
decent draw-can she beat this bunch? price/value this week because of this?
Thank you for your support!
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I hope so!
Short field, not the best draw for him!
Mares open--double jump!
decent draw-can she beat this bunch? price/value this week because of this?
Thank you for your support!
Well you'd have to wonder about that competition ngc3
This gives you an idea of what I'm thinking tmbz1
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/4c4d49f6-9454-4ad9-a6e3-29b1505b20e3.ebdd681ad41a4eae591b8a44b21c8e34.jpeg?odnHeight=328&odnWidth=328&odnBg=FFFFFF)
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https://ustrottingnews.com/harness-racing-stars-at-philly-for-super-sunday/
When they first had their Super Sunday card around 8 to 10 years ago the (3) Invitationals went for $250,000 each, then $200,000, then $150,000 and $100,000 the past few years. On a normal 15 race card their average purse is under $10,000 and the casino is half empty and located in a terrible and high crime area with boarded up houses nearby, with a small prison 2 blocks away.
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Harness racing is just fine don't listen to all the negative comments from the losers. New York- Pennsylvania and Kentucky or thriving.
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Harness racing is just fine don't listen to all the negative comments from the losers. New York- Pennsylvania and Kentucky or thriving.
No doubt tmbz1 tmbz1
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More evidence of thriving https://ustrottingnews.com/harness-racing-stars-at-philly-for-super-sunday/
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Harness racing is just fine don't listen to all the negative comments from the losers. New York- Pennsylvania and Kentucky or thriving.
No, rife with criminal activity and a regulatory that defies any known parallel sport's regulatory.
These regulatory should be in touch with law enforcement constantly, not just racing violations being assessed and discussed but actual organized crime activity.
Someone buys into racing, buys horses, hires a trainer, insists on running a clean stable, and goes up against the likes of these drugging, race tampering scum.
Gambling is pretty much done and where it still relies CAW comes in to screw the gamblers when they're not staging, fixing races so they all get their share. Knowingly racing lame, sick, not ready, dangerous horses, horses that will be a no try, what the heck is that.
Some old lady shoving her cash into a slot machine and some empty suit legislator allowing that money, other clean money an even tax payer money to fund this nonsense.
Pacer 2, you anyone can say antagonistic things, but a thief is a thief, and if they steal from us, excluding the regulatory, cops, seems like a fun option to join in and get a piece, more like a stolen piece back.
These people loading up with cash from this wide spread "thriving" doing it the wrong way might find themself in more danger than they could ever imagine.
If sites like this are monitored by le, fbi, here's a message to them...bang up job you're doing enforcing and preventing ngc3, next one you bring in of these hopefully takes a detour to the hospital or morgue. Handle it the same way if they stole money from you and yours and destroyed your life with immunity.
The world is divided simply between good and bad, corrupt and with integrity, law abiding and the criminal, paid to protect with eyes closed or open, guess who is winning?
Money is worthless to a rich deceased thief.
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More evidence of thriue fving https://ustrottingnews.com/harness-racing-stars-at-philly-for-super-sunday/
If not for the revenue from the casinos half the tracks you say are thriving wouldn't even be here. On track handle and attendance at most of these thriving tracks are next to nothing. They couldn't stand on their own and the purses would be almost nothing.
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More evidence of thriving https://ustrottingnews.com/harness-racing-stars-at-philly-for-super-sunday/
tmbz1
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I've heard dozens of interviews with older trainers saying they used to race for $1500 purses and are thrilled to race for big money now. They're making great money.
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If not for the revenue from the casinos half the tracks you say are thriving wouldn't even be here. On track handle and attendance at most of these thriving tracks are next to nothing. They couldn't stand on their own and the purses would be almost nothing.
Attendance, excellent point tmbz1
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I knew owners and trainers who used to race for $500 back in the 70's in Delaware and ran over 50 times a year and were hard pressed to earn $10,000. For the people who just got in to racing 10 years ago it's good but most of the old timers who never made money have passed away. Even with the higher purses it's still difficult for the cheaper horses to make money because expenses are so high. The purses aside, business at most racetracks drop every year which certainly isn't thriving.
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Pacer 2, you must be Per Emblom or a Russian bot to continue with the business is thriving bullshit?
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Name one track that actually bets enough money to cover the cost of racing? International Sound, United Tote, RTN, Judges, Paddock workers, Track crew
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When they first had their Super Sunday card around 8 to 10 years ago the (3) Invitationals went for $250,000 each, then $200,000, then $150,000 and $100,000 the past few years. On a normal 15 race card their average purse is under $10,000 and the casino is half empty and located in a terrible and high crime area with boarded up houses nearby, with a small prison 2 blocks away.
Exactly and anything but thriving.
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Running Aces is packed like sardines with fans tonight! More evidence thriving.
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Running Aces is packed like sardines with fans tonight! More evidence thriving.
Of course it is, Columbus MN just got the light bulb 6 months ago ngc3
Purses are crap, and from the looks of the pools, the sardines are broke ass bitches ngc3
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Of course it is, Columbus MN just got the light bulb 6 months ago ngc3
Purses are crap, and from the looks of the pools, the sardines are broke ass bitches ngc3
Read the conditions of the races.
Also, it's a holiday weekend and is there anything exciting to do in the area?
A place to hang out without spending any money.
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Running Aces is packed like sardines with fans tonight! More evidence thriving.
Come on Kelz, come back to reality
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Running Aces is packed like sardines with fans tonight! More evidence thriving.
tmbz1 harness racing is in great shape don't listen to these losers! Like any other business of course there are sectors that are not doing well but for the most part New York Pennsylvania and Kentucky thriving. Running Aces he's doing phenomenal
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tmbz1 harness racing is in great shape don't listen to these losers! Like any other business of course there are sectors that are not doing well but for the most part New York Pennsylvania and Kentucky thriving. Running Aces he's doing phenomenal
tmbz1 tmbz1 Leading drivers, trainers, horses, vets, owners making phenomenal money!
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tmbz1 tmbz1 Leading drivers, trainers, horses, vets, owners making phenomenal money!
Come on Kelz, they are all criminals
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Oak Grove, KY – The record-breaking season of harness racing at Oak Grove just recently passed the halfway point of the 2026 meet and the Southwest Kentucky track continues to show tremendous year-over-year gains in handle.
With Monday’s (May 25) Memorial Day card run alongside many special days of racing from major Thoroughbred outlets, Oak Grove successfully stayed within the shuffle of horseplayers’ action and posted nearly double the handle year-over-year compared to the 2025 Memorial Day card.
Tuesday’s (May 26) 14-race card similarly showed year-over-year gains with nearly 50 percent more bet compared to the same card from 2025. Oak Grove’s handle remains up roughly 28 percent year-over-year past the midpoint of the meet and up 20 percent when exempting the additional day of racing this year for the inaugural Oak Grove Trotting Derby and Oak Grove Trotting Oaks.
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https://ustrottingnews.com/purses-for-several-classes-at-yonkers-to-go-up-starting-june-8/
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Oak Grove, KY – The record-breaking season of harness racing at Oak Grove just recently passed the halfway point of the 2026 meet and the Southwest Kentucky track continues to show tremendous year-over-year gains in handle.
With Monday’s (May 25) Memorial Day card run alongside many special days of racing from major Thoroughbred outlets, Oak Grove successfully stayed within the shuffle of horseplayers’ action and posted nearly double the handle year-over-year compared to the 2025 Memorial Day card.
Tuesday’s (May 26) 14-race card similarly showed year-over-year gains with nearly 50 percent more bet compared to the same card from 2025. Oak Grove’s handle remains up roughly 28 percent year-over-year past the midpoint of the meet and up 20 percent when exempting the additional day of racing this year for the inaugural Oak Grove Trotting Derby and Oak Grove Trotting Oaks.
it's amazing these dummies on here that don't realize how well harness racing is doing in certain areas. Yonkers- Pocono now this great news thank you!
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Here is another way of writing the Oak Grove press release, though this time allowing the reader to draw conclusions based on their numbers.
Oak Grove handled $287,760.05 on Tuesday, May 25, 2026 (according the the USTA charts)
Oak Grove's purses that day were $430,000.
14 races of basically 20K bet per race. Thrive!!!!
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it's amazing these dummies on here that don't realize how well harness racing is doing in certain areas. Yonkers- Pocono now this great news thank you!
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Here is another way of writing the Oak Grove press release, though this time allowing the reader to draw conclusions based on their numbers.
Oak Grove handled $287,760.05 on Tuesday, May 25, 2026 (according the the USTA charts)
Oak Grove's purses that day were $430,000.
14 races of basically 20K bet per race. Thrive!!!!
Wow, those numbers are really bad
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tmbz1 tmbz1 Leading drivers, trainers, horses, vets, owners making phenomenal money!
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Strong wagering caps memorable night
The Camluck Classic program attracted a total handle of C$825,000, marking an increase over the 2025 figure. On-track wagering was particularly strong, posting a 15% increase year-over-year, as local fans were out en masse for the closing night card.
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And a fat cheating Swede got to shine in the spotlight. The game sure is thriving honoring scumbags.
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Strong wagering caps memorable night
The Camluck Classic program attracted a total handle of C$825,000, marking an increase over the 2025 figure. On-track wagering was particularly strong, posting a 15% increase year-over-year, as local fans were out en masse for the closing night card.
EXACTLY! The doom and gloom losers will not agree with you but harness racing is thriving definitely! New York is taxing the shit out of the casinos up to 30% some of that money is going to the Horseman's fund.
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some folks on here need to be able to separate some of the variables of harness racing
yes we all know there is shit going on with certain trainers, always has been , and we all wish the organizations would do more to rid the sport of these folks or at least reign them in
and yes we would all like to see stronger wagering
so there is that angle, no argument
now on the flip side as someone else said many people making tons of money, breeders, owners, trainers and drivers
most businesses are judged on their return on investment and their ability to turn a profit
the numbers would suggest that from a bottom line perspective harness racing is doing well overall
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One or two fed reports that harness racing is over run with crooks, druggers, race fixers, animal abusers and these politicians have been facilitating it'll all be over.
It won't be isolated incidents.
Corruption, criminal charges void out the contracts, oh you knowingly facilitate crime, oh you didn't know crime on your property ngc3, buh bye.
Then they'll be offering to suck a gambler's dickiedoo to stay afloat...glad those bridges are burned down.
Pacer 2 can argue against the government pulling the plug, the what isn't corrupt defense ngc3
Since it should be shut down and several people indicted and hopefully beaten to death awaiting trial ngc3
All you @ssholes who love this money in this environment should be doing so with your f'ing head down...it's exposed and vulnerable to being removed completely! ;D
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I own some horses racing at Yonkers with partners the money is never been better. If you know where to race and you classified your horse properly the money is great and harness racing is thriving!
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now on the flip side as someone else said many people making tons of money, breeders, owners, trainers and drivers
most businesses are judged on their return on investment and their ability to turn a profit
the numbers would suggest that from a bottom line perspective harness racing is doing well overall
No question! tmbz1 tmbz1 Good post
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I own some horses racing at Yonkers with partners the money is never been better. If you know where to race and you classified your horse properly the money is great and harness racing is thriving!
Happy for you! tmbz1
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I own some horses racing at Yonkers with partners the money is never been better. If you know where to race and you classified your horse properly the money is great and harness racing is thriving!
G.....I am just amazed at the purses at Yonkers. "Old Hilltop" as we called it when I was young was a long ride from Brooklyn, but we went often. Been years since i've been back but I hope to get back over the summer. Good luck with your horses!
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EXACTLY! The doom and gloom losers will not agree with you but harness racing is thriving definitely! New York is taxing the shit out of the casinos up to 30% some of that money is going to the Horseman's fund.
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I own some horses racing at Yonkers with partners the money is never been better. If you know where to race and you classified your horse properly the money is great and harness racing is thriving!
Spot on it’s all about having good horses and classifying them where they can be competitive. If so, you can make good money.
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Better hope Houston rockets owner Fertitta likes harness racing
Or Hoosier scioto and philadelphia could be next to go
Pending sale from Caesars
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Spot on it’s all about having good horses and classifying them where they can be competitive. If so, you can make good money.
Unfortunately there are more horsemen with cheap horses who run for low purses and lose money almost every year.
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Unfortunately there are more horsemen with cheap horses who run for low purses and lose money almost every year.
I won’t argue with that, but I will also tell you there are far too many Horsemen that don’t race their horses where they belong. Lots of people think they have condition horses when they really have claimers.
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Some owners treat their horses like family pets and refuse to put them in a claiming race where they belong for fear of losing it. A trainer once said this about horses, they're not pets. If you want a pet for a horse, buy a pony.
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Some owners treat their horses like family pets and refuse to put them in a claiming race where they belong for fear of losing it. A trainer once said this about horses, they're not pets. If you want a pet for a horse, buy a pony.
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Some owners treat their horses like family pets and refuse to put them in a claiming race where they belong for fear of losing it. A trainer once said this about horses, they're not pets. If you want a pet for a horse, buy a pony.
Enjoy the game?
Weekly entertainment?
A nite out of the house?
Tax write off??
Other??
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Some owners treat their horses like family pets and refuse to put them in a claiming race where they belong for fear of losing it. A trainer once said this about horses, they're not pets. If you want a pet for a horse, buy a pony.
It is different for many trainers and owners. They don't want to lose their horse...because it is hard to replace. Once Engblom, Burke, etc claim the horse it is over. The horse is not the same if you reclaim it. Those are facts like it or not.
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Nine trainers this year have earned 50K or more from their 5%.
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It is different for many trainers and owners. They don't want to lose their horse...because it is hard to replace. Once Engblom, Burke, etc claim the horse it is over. The horse is not the same if you reclaim it. Those are facts like it or not.
Some of the little guys will put their horses in a claiming race but for a much higher price than it's worth so it won't get claimed, only problem with that is, the horse has little or no chance of winning or picking up a decent check. If you're worried about losing your horse via the claim box then keep it in condition races where it has a chance.
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Nine trainers this year have earned 50K or more from their 5%.
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You conveniently fail to mention the bulk of trainers earnings are training fees. And the year isnt half over! ngc3 To look at horseman's earnings and suggest its not thriving is TOTALLY MORONIC, YOU IDIOT!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Thriving is easy to see. Just look at horses earnings! ngc3
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You conveniently fail to mention the bulk of trainers earnings are training fees. And the year isnt half over! ngc3 To look at horseman's earnings and suggest its not thriving is TOTALLY MORONIC, YOU IDIOT!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Even with training fees, they still have to pay their help, they don't work for free.
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You conveniently fail to mention the bulk of trainers earnings are training fees. And the year isnt half over! ngc3 To look at horseman's earnings and suggest its not thriving is TOTALLY MORONIC, YOU IDIOT!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Help, huge tolls to Yonkers, the PED's, all add up. Only an idiot would think the money they are making is thriving.
Stop and think....oops that would suggest you could. MY BAG
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Batavia Downs, Buffalo Raceway, First Tracks Cumberland, Bally's Dover, Harrah's Hoosier Park, Harrah's Philadelphia, Harrington Raceway, Hawthorne Race Course, Hollywood Casino at The Meadows, Hollywood Slots & Raceway, Monticello Raceway, Northfield Park, Northville Downs at Barry Expo Center, Ocean Downs, Rosecroft Raceway, Running Aces Harness Park, Saratoga Harness, Shenandoah Downs, Tioga Downs, & Vernon Downs are the majority of tracks .
That leaves Yonkers, Meadowlands 4 or 5 days a year, some Ohio tracks, Oak Grove. In Canada Mohawk is only track where you could earn.
That does not create a pretty picture.
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Help, huge tolls to Yonkers, the PED's, all add up. Only an idiot would think the money they are making is thriving.
Tolls? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Only an idiot would think the money they are makin isnt THRIVING! ngc3 ngc3
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Nine trainers this year have earned 50K or more from their 5%.
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Trainers make their money with a daily training bill. The 5% that they earn is not the basis of their income, not to mention the vast majority of trainers also own horses. They get purse money and their daily bill.
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Tolls? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Only an idiot would think the money they are makin isnt THRIVING! ngc3 ngc3
It is hard to have a conversation because of your low IQ. If you have 2 or 3 kids and make $250,000 you are not thriving. How many make more than that?
Not many...idiot ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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It is hard to have a conversation because of your low IQ. If you have 2 or 3 kids and make $250,000 you are not thriving. How many make more than that?
Not many...idiot ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Not sure what planet you live on to make a statement that you’re not thriving if you collect a quarter million dollars and have two children? There are many people who thrive on way less than that. I think you’re a little out of touch with reality.
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Not sure what planet you live on to make a statement that you’re not thriving if you collect a quarter million dollars and have two children? There are many people who thrive on way less than that. I think you’re a little out of touch with reality.
You live in NY or NJ & think 250K is thriving? And that is the minority of the sport....maybe 5%.
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You live in NY or NJ & think 250K is thriving? And that is the minority of the sport....maybe 5%.
Where in his post did he mention anything about New Jersey or New York?
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Where in his post did he mention anything about New Jersey or New York?
Where do you think the so-called thriving trainers live?
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Where do you think the so-called thriving trainers live?
You did not answer my question. There was zero reference of anything to do with New York or New Jersey. But I’ll go a step further : Delaware, Ohio and Indiana all have very healthy purse structures where trainers can thrive
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You did not answer my question. There was zero reference of anything to do with New York or New Jersey. But I’ll go a step further : Delaware, Ohio and Indiana all have very healthy purse structures where trainers can thrive
Delaware and Indiana purses are nothing special.
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People who come to horseplop and brag incessantly about the harness racing welfare money ngc3
Always spotlighting the good in racing despite it being notoriously bad ngc3
Not a f'ing chance! ngc3
Those making money are making it and stfu ngc3
Crossing their fingers they don't get popped too if they ain't crystal ngc3
Most ain't crystal clean ngc3
What you have is bottom feeders, antagonists, who have nothing - no moolah, no cash, broke broke lint ngc3
There is no one bragging who is wealthy, who is making money, even the narcissists and you all, Rocky, me know these people too ngc3
They ain't bragging....just one douche and his growing entourage, that if you follow P2's posts it lives in near poverty because what they wish for we throw in the trash! ;D
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Delaware and Indiana purses are nothing special.
Delaware and Indiana have pretty nice purses.
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Trainers make their money with a daily training bill. The 5% that they earn is not the basis of their income, not to mention the vast majority of trainers also own horses. They get purse money and their daily bill.
tmbz1 tmbz1 True but the haters like Seen Nothing wont admit it. ngc3
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tmbz1 tmbz1 True but the haters like Seen Nothing wont admit it. ngc3
You're the only jealous b!tch.
You have no success and clap in everyone's face about every crook's ngc3
Whatya think the psychology is here ngc3
You're an anonymous antagonist, Rocky is a real rich guy, horse owner, breeder and you can't stand him.
Why is that, he invests hand over fist for decades in this biz where you only praise crooks?
Because he is real and you talk about nonsense.
You're a beat up person every day of your life and you come here to try out this failed shtick ngc3
That's the psychology 101
Stay an anonymous punk, f'ing coward ngc3 anyone hangs with you is getting that rep ngc3 time to make it on your own boys ngc3
That there, Pacer 2, genuine ZERO - why he IGGY"S me, the truth does hurt, always has, always will! ;D
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Happy for you! tmbz1
thank you sir spoken like a true winner!
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Harness racing is only thriving because of handouts. If you take those away everyone would be racing for nothing. This is a charity not an industry at this point. In 1998 the handle for all of horse racing was 628 million and in 2024 it was under 90 million. Harness racing is thriving like refrigerators in trailer parks with ebt cards.
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Harness racing is only thriving because of handouts. If you take those away everyone would be racing for nothing. This is a charity not an industry at this point. In 1998 the handle for all of horse racing was 628 million and in 2024 it was under 90 million. Harness racing is thriving like refrigerators in trailer parks with ebt cards.
The many reasons Harness Racing is thriving is a completely different topic. Agreement that it is thriving is easy to see.
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Oops another person wrongly using the term "handouts"
those "handouts " were a negotiated settlement that casinos happily paid to gain entry to casino through racetracks, it was a sweet deal for them, what they pay to harness racing is a insignificant amount from their earnings
additionally any money that might come from governments is approved and has had some economic impact study behind it, for example the governments feel that the trickle down effect of any money contributed to harness racing is beneficial by allowing farms, blacksmiths, vets, grooms trainers etc to earn a living and pay taxes, they feel this is better than putting these people out of work and having them collect unemployment
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Oops another person wrongly using the term "handouts"
those "handouts " were a negotiated settlement that casinos happily paid to gain entry to casino through racetracks, it was a sweet deal for them, what they pay to harness racing is a insignificant amount from their earnings
additionally any money that might come from governments is approved and has had some economic impact study behind it, for example the governments feel that the trickle down effect of any money contributed to harness racing is beneficial by allowing farms, blacksmiths, vets, grooms trainers etc to earn a living and pay taxes, they feel this is better than putting these people out of work and having them collect unemployment
Correct. Plus the racetracks provide significant business for the casinos. Besides racetrack customers, many track employees often gamble, eat and drink at the casinos. I've seen 30 track employees enter a casino when the races ended!
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Correct. Plus the racetracks provide significant business for the casinos. Besides racetrack customers, many track employees often gamble, eat and drink at the casinos. I've seen 30 track employees enter a casino when the races ended!
You counted them? This sounds made up. But I agree, many horsemen are degenerate gamblers and lose their ass between lasix and reporting time. tmbz1
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Harness racing is only thriving because of handouts. If you take those away everyone would be racing for nothing. This is a charity not an industry at this point. In 1998 the handle for all of horse racing was 628 million and in 2024 it was under 90 million. Harness racing is thriving like refrigerators in trailer parks with ebt cards.
It’s only surviving because of slots and VLT’S! Far from thriving!
Look at Monticello. I believe they took the VLT’S out at the track because they were conflicting with their other property.
Look at Tioga-looks like less purse money and cheaper horses too!
Saratoga-greedy horsemen with more dates so you race for less money every week. The track opens too soon February and closes too late-the week before Christmas.
Yonkers-read the posts for yourselves here on plop. Draw your own conclusions!
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Nine trainers this year have earned 50K or more from their 5%.
Thriving ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
50k made from their 5% in only 5 months, plus training fees + many own a percentage of their racing stock also.
Alot of them have only raced for 2-3 months this year, the summer racing season is just starting to ramp up & big money in the fall too.
A couple of mine are about to qualify at the Meds, only had minimal starts so far this year, I'm sure others are in the same boat.
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To me, thriving means more barns are turning a profit than are not. That is simply not true. The top 5% of barns are getting rich. The next 20% are making a nice living and below that they are fighting to stay above water. That is far from thriving. And I get this topic is just to get a reaction out of people, but some actually believe this is someone’s actual opinion on the game. If the casino deals ever disappear, we will see the true state of the game.
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50k made from their 5% in only 5 months, plus training fees + many own a percentage of their racing stock also.
Alot of them have only raced for 2-3 months this year, the summer racing season is just starting to ramp up & big money in the fall too.
A couple of mine are about to qualify at the Meds, only had minimal starts so far this year, I'm sure others are in the same boat.
tmbz1
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50k made from their 5% in only 5 months, plus training fees + many own a percentage of their racing stock also.
Alot of them have only raced for 2-3 months this year, the summer racing season is just starting to ramp up & big money in the fall too.
A couple of mine are about to qualify at the Meds, only had minimal starts so far this year, I'm sure others are in the same boat.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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It’s only surviving because of slots and VLT’S! Far from thriving!
Look at Monticello. I believe they took the VLT’S out at the track because they were conflicting with their other property.
Look at Tioga-looks like less purse money and cheaper horses too!
Saratoga-greedy horsemen with more dates so you race for less money every week. The track opens too soon February and closes too late-the week before Christmas.
Yonkers-read the posts for yourselves here on plop. Draw your own conclusions!
Yonkers is RAISING purses! DUUUUHH! Harness Racing is absolutely thriving! The reasons why are a totally different discussion.
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pacer 2 , you are correct sir
also lets be honest , depends which end of the stick you are on
if you are racing at the low level b tracks of course it is tough
if you invested a reasonable amount of capital and are racing at the major tracks ( ex the big m ) and i9n upcoming sires stakes you are likely doing fine
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Delaware and Indiana have pretty nice purses.
Harrington & Hoosier average purse is around 10K.
Idiot!!!
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Harrington & Hoosier average purse is around 10K.
Idiot!!!
What's wrong with 10k average purses? Have you seen the purses at Mont & Vernon?! you come in 2nd for a 10k purse, you're getting $2500 and so forth. Money can be made by classifying your horses correctly.
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What's wrong with 10k average purses? Have you seen the purses at Mont & Vernon?! you come in 2nd for a 10k purse, you're getting $2500 and so forth. Money can be made by classifying your horses correctly.
Nothing wrong but not THRIVING!!!
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Semantics aside, but I don't see the sport thriving at all. Ironic, because some of the premier breeders are, but that is business, tax law, and accounting driven. They'll get theirs one day. As far as any track that is-----even close to-----thriving, if it's true, it is simply the exception. Certainly not the norm.
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Oops another person wrongly using the term "handouts"
those "handouts " were a negotiated settlement that casinos happily paid to gain entry to casino through racetracks, it was a sweet deal for them, what they pay to harness racing is a insignificant amount from their earnings
additionally any money that might come from governments is approved and has had some economic impact study behind it, for example the governments feel that the trickle down effect of any money contributed to harness racing is beneficial by allowing farms, blacksmiths, vets, grooms trainers etc to earn a living and pay taxes, they feel this is better than putting these people out of work and having them collect unemployment
This is misinformation. Casinos exist because people wanted them. The casino companies used the racing industry to get in the door then the racing industry sold out top them. The casino companies do not racing and will close it down when they get the chance. The "agreement" is just a government created handout which the government can unilaterally end it at any time. Well over 80% of the purses in Pennsylvania are funded by government not customers. Pass decoupling and the casino companies would close racing so fast you would not be able to blink. End the government handouts and the industry would be looking in dumpsters to eat and feed the horses. The industry has turned it back on the customers so I welcome the day the state legislators start turning of the supply of free money.
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This is misinformation. Casinos exist because people wanted them. The casino companies used the racing industry to get in the door then the racing industry sold out top them. The casino companies do not racing and will close it down when they get the chance. The "agreement" is just a government created handout which the government can unilaterally end it at any time. Well over 80% of the purses in Pennsylvania are funded by government not customers. Pass decoupling and the casino companies would close racing so fast you would not be able to blink. End the government handouts and the industry would be looking in dumpsters to eat and feed the horses. The industry has turned it back on the customers so I welcome the day the state legislators start turning of the supply of free money.
Well said but the industry is thriving according to the trainers and owners. I think the horse racing industry and the post office use the same business plan
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Yonkers is RAISING purses! DUUUUHH! Harness Racing is absolutely thriving! The reasons why are a totally different discussion.
Yonkers also cuts them when many of the tracks close later in the year too!
Even Buffalo Raceway with a short meet recently cut its purses 5%!
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Well said but the industry is thriving according to the trainers and owners. I think the horse racing industry and the post office use the same business plan
"Thriving" on government handouts. When much less that 20% of the purses is coming from the customers, that is not "thriving", that is a house of cards. I hope I see the day when the handouts are eliminated and the industry has to offer customer a product they want.
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"Thriving" on government handouts. When much less that 20% of the purses is coming from the customers, that is not "thriving", that is a house of cards. I hope I see the day when the handouts are eliminated and the industry has to offer customer a product they want.
There are many reasons the sport is thriving. Fact is its thriving.
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There are many reasons the sport is thriving. Fact is its thriving.
For arguements sake for the 1000 times you repeat the same thing let's say we say harness racing is thriving (it's really not ngc3)
The mere fact you say it ngc3
They would rather be waterboarded than admit it ngc3
That's why you'll repeat it thousands more times ngc3
A - you're mentally ill
B - dumb
C- you're effect is like an ant bite
D - you can't stop lying ;D
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For arguements sake for the 1000 times you repeat the same thing let's say we say harness racing is thriving (it's really not ngc3)
The mere fact you say it ngc3
They would rather be waterboarded than admit it ngc3
That's why you'll repeat it thousands more times ngc3
A - you're mentally ill
B - dumb
C- you're effect is like an ant bite
D - you can't stop lying ;D
Is there an all of the above choice? These two are retarded if they actually believed this stuff. But they are just looking for a reaction and have nothing better to do. I hope fat fuck Mark’s days are numbered…unlike his daily calorie intake. ngc3
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There are many reasons the sport is thriving. Fact is its thriving.
Thriving sucking on the teat of government. The former governor of Pennsylvania went after the handouts and the Philadelphia newspaper has exposed harness racing several times. Keep your head buried in the sand and you will be the first person crying when the government shuts off the handouts.
In Pennsylvania, approximately 85% to 90% of harness racing (Standardbred) purses are funded through the state-regulated Pennsylvania Race Horse Development Trust Fund (RHDTF). Traditional wagering on the races themselves (the pari-mutuel handle) only accounts for the remaining 10% to 15% of the purse pools.
Similar to Pennsylvania and Ontario, the direct pari-mutuel handle (the money actually wagered by bettors) makes up a very small percentage of the harness racing purse pool in Ohio—accounting for roughly 5% to 10% of total purses.
The remaining 90% to 95% of Ohio's harness racing purses is heavily bankrolled by alternative gaming revenues, specifically Video Lottery Terminals (VLTs) and commercial casino tax distributions.
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Is there an all of the above choice? These two are retarded if they actually believed this stuff. But they are just looking for a reaction and have nothing better to do. I hope fat fuck Mark’s days are numbered…unlike his daily calorie intake. ngc3
Let's just say FATSO's fleas have finally come back to bite him ngc3
Causing a whole lot of concern for a whole lot of people ngc3
A meeting at the USTA Flea Circus at the highest levels ngc3
That EPA mess too, still a mess....bad fat doggie ngc3
It's summer, ya fat, got fleas, and you're scratching really bad ngc3
That's gonna scar ngc3
Ya know where the "bodies are buried", "you buried the bodies" too the whole kennel is going bat sh!t crazy.....he a rat 2? ;D
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Jason Settlemor reported a HUGE Meadowlands crowd last Saturday and he expects another huge crowd for Belmont Stakes Saturday.
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A "huge" crowd for them is 300 people and 200 of them are there for the sportsbook. The huge crowd he's expecting this weekend is for the Weiner dog races at his circus.
Meadowlands thrives on Weiner dog races
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A "huge" crowd for them is 300 people and 200 of them are there for the sportsbook. The huge crowd he's expecting this weekend is for the Weiner dog races at his circus.
Meadowlands thrives on Weiner dog races
Sadly, the weiner dogs are amateurs too ngc3
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The Weiner dogs may be amateurs but I can assure you they're thriving, just ask Pacer 2 and his sidekick G
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Jason Settlemor reported a HUGE Meadowlands crowd last Saturday and he expects another huge crowd for Belmont Stakes Saturday.
I notice you just ignored the facts:
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=83738.msg1260929#msg1260929
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I agree harness racing is thriving my horses are making money.
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I agree harness racing is thriving my horses are making money.
Happy for you. tmbz1 tmbz1
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I agree harness racing is thriving my horses are making money.
Keep sucking on the government's teat. Make sure you save when the money dries up.
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Happy for you. tmbz1 tmbz1
thank you I wish the best for you as well
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Keep sucking on the government's teat. Make sure you save when the money dries up.
I'm making my money the hard way. I'm not some loser relying on the government for a handout.
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I'm making my money the hard way. I'm not some loser relying on the government for a handout.
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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I'm making my money the hard way. I'm not some loser relying on the government for a handout.
Thats Mikey! The hypocrite complains about subsidies for racing yet lives on subsidies HIMSELF!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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11 races at Saratoga Flat Track today and the lowest purse is $110,000 that's thriving....lol
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I'm making my money the hard way. I'm not some loser relying on the government for a handout.
If you are making money from racing, you are making money from government handouts. Where do you think the purse money is coming from?
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=83738.msg1260929#msg1260929
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If you are making money from racing, you are making money from government handouts. Where do you think the purse money is coming from?
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=83738.msg1260929#msg1260929
Who pays for stakes races?
I believe the owners and breeders do this.
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11 races at Saratoga Flat Track today and the lowest purse is $110,000 that's thriving....lol
The title of the thread is "harness racing". Where is the purse money coming from? Also more handouts are diverted to that track to fool people like you!
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The title of the thread is "harness racing". Where is the purse money coming from? Also more handouts are diverted to that track to fool people like you!
From the money they make from overnight races which is mainly handouts. The whole industry is a house of cards depended on government handouts.
What would happen to the industry if the purses of the overnight races were cut by 85%?
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If you are making money from racing, you are making money from government handouts. Where do you think the purse money is coming from?
https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?topic=83738.msg1260929#msg1260929
no sir I am making money from the purses. The deadbeats make money from the government handouts. Did you forget they signed the contract??
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From the money they make from overnight races which is mainly handouts. The whole industry is a house of cards depended on government handouts.
What would happen to the industry if the purses of the overnight races were cut by 85%?
Kenny you obviously know nothing about the business when you talk about handouts
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Thats Mikey! The hypocrite complains about subsidies for racing yet lives on subsidies HIMSELF!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
from the people I talk to they all say a troublemaker nobody has anything good to say about him
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The whole industry is a house of cards depended on government handouts.
What would happen to the industry if the purses of the overnight races were cut by 85%?
What would happen to the country if Social Security, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and government grants were cut by 85%?
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What would happen to the country if Social Security, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and government grants were cut by 85%?
People care about those things. 95% of the people could care less about racing and a sizable number would want racing to be banned even without the handouts. If we held a referendum asking the people of each state to vote if the racing handout money should go to racing, roads and bridges, schools, or given to the slots players as higher payouts, what would be the results. I am eagerly awaiting your answer. It will show us all how out of touch with reality you are.
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People care about those things. 95% of the people could care less about racing and a sizable number would want racing to be banned even without the handouts. If we held a referendum asking the people of each state to vote if the racing handout money should go to racing, roads and bridges, schools, or given to the slots players as higher payouts, what would be the results. I am eagerly awaiting your answer. It will show us all how out of touch with reality you are.
Maybe Social Security, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and government grants should instead go to roads and bridges and schools ? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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People care about those things. 95% of the people could care less about racing and a sizable number would want racing to be banned even without the handouts. If we held a referendum asking the people of each state to vote if the racing handout money should go to racing, roads and bridges, schools, or given to the slots players as higher payouts, what would be the results. I am eagerly awaiting your answer. It will show us all how out of touch with reality you are.
I'd rather my money go to the hardworking folks in racing.
Schools already waste most of what I give them.
Slot playing is a losers game for Asians and oxygen tankers.
Road and bridge builders get plenty. Too many involved are shovel leaners.
Social security and unemployment payments aren't scrutinized well enough to give more.
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Maybe Social Security, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and government grants should instead go to roads and bridges and schools ? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Very childish comment but what i would have expected. So lets put it all on a referendum. How do you think the vote will go? I notice your were too busy being childish to answer that question.
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I'd rather my money go to the hardworking folks in racing.
Schools already waste most of what I give them.
Slot playing is a losers game for Asians and oxygen tankers.
Road and bridge builders get plenty. Too many involved are shovel leaners.
Social security and unemployment payments aren't scrutinized well enough to give more.
You are a biased person. What do you think the vote would be if it was put to a referendum?
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no sir I am making money from the purses. The deadbeats make money from the government handouts. Did you forget they signed the contract??
There is no contract, there is GOVERNMENT. All it takes is a vote and a signature and the handouts are gone. How many races have been held a Pompano this year?
Major Philadelphia publications, most notably The Philadelphia Inquirer, have taken strong, explicit editorial stances supporting the complete elimination of Pennsylvania’s horse racing subsidies.The state's Race Horse Development Fund—which has directed over $3.5 billion in slot-machine tax revenues to prop up racing purses and breeding incentives since 2004—has been a frequent target of the Inquirer’s editorial board and investigative team.The arguments put forward by Philadelphia media and local policy advocates highlight the primary reasons for ending these payouts:1. The Philadelphia Inquirer Editorial Board PositionIn a series of scathing editorials, The Philadelphia Inquirer became one of the first major metro newspapers in the country to call for the horse racing industry to be "put out of its misery" by shutting off the flow of corporate welfare.The Core Argument: The Inquirer argues that the state has created an upside-down set of budget priorities. They point out that hundreds of millions of dollars are funneled annually to a dying, niche sport to pad the pockets of wealthy horse owners (many of whom live out of state), while essential public needs go completely underfunded. The Shift to Animal Welfare: The paper's stance intensified following an investigative series detailing high horse-mortality rates, doping scandals, and illegal contraband found at Pennsylvania tracks like Parx Racing (located just outside Philly in Bensalem). The editorial board concluded that taxpayers should not be forced to bankroll a sport mired in animal cruelty and regulatory failure.2. Pitting "Horses vs. Students"Philadelphia media heavily covered former Governor Tom Wolf’s recurring legislative push to divert $200 million annually from the horse racing fund to pay for the Nellie Bly Scholarship Program. This program would have provided tuition assistance to 44,000 students attending Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education (PASSHE) schools. Local coverage frequently cited data showing that Pennsylvania was subsidizing racehorses at three times the rate it was investing in actual college students. Regional education advocates utilized Philly media platforms to highlight that while local students were taking on crushing debt, a single winning horse owner could take home a $56,000 purse on a single race funded entirely by casino tax dollars.3. Diverting Subsidies to Mass Transit (SEPTA)More recently, local discourse in Philadelphia has centered on the state’s massive public transit crisis. With the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) facing massive multi-million-dollar budget deficits, forced service cuts, and fare hikes, local op-eds and policy columns have argued that the $200+ million allocated to horse racing should be redirected to keep trains and buses running. The prevailing argument in the Philadelphia press is that mass transit serves millions of working-class residents daily, whereas horse racing attendance has plummeted to the point where tracks don't even bother charging admission, making the ongoing subsidy economically unjustifiable.
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You are a biased person. What do you think the vote would be if it was put to a referendum?
Who doesn't have a bias?
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My horses are making money.. Most of the serious players make money harness racing is thriving
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My horses are making money.. Most of the serious players make money harness racing is thriving
You want impress people on this website?
How about telling us the names of your money making horses
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You want impress people on this website?
How about telling us the names of your money making horses
WHY WOULD HE OR ANYONE WANT TO IMPRESS PEOPLE ON HORSEPLOP??? IDIOT! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You want impress people on this website?
How about telling us the names of your money making horses
hey garbage pail or shopping cart whatever the fuck they call you. How many screens do you have Mikeeee?
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WHY WOULD HE OR ANYONE WANT TO IMPRESS PEOPLE ON HORSEPLOP??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
you got that right,,, I could give a fuck about less about these people
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You want impress people on this website?
How about telling us the names of your money making horses
IMPRESS PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE???? FRICKEN HILARIOUS!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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So what is the point of repeatedly posting about your money making horses
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So what is the point of repeatedly posting about your money making horses
If you'd have any you'd know! IDIOT!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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If you'd have any you'd know! IDIOT!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Why not validate the agenda by posting the names of the horses?
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Why not validate the agenda by posting the names of the horses?
Because he's not an INSECURE CHILD! MORON!! ngc3
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Why not validate the agenda by posting the names of the horses?
IMPRESS PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE?? FRICKEN HILARIOUS!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Seems like we won't be getting the names of g's money making horses.
A shame.
Too bad the poster is too afraid to post the names
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Seems like we won't be getting the names of g's money making horses.
A shame.
Too bad the poster is too afraid to post the names
Things plop trolls have in common. Sakit Gs training championships and Calhoun's equine ownersship. Neither exist.
And now this ngc3
(https://iili.io/CqENTes.md.jpg) (https://freeimage.host/i/CqENTes)
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Seems like we won't be getting the names of g's money making horses.
A shame.
Too bad the poster is too afraid to post the names
TOO BAD WE HAVE SUCH MORONS ON HORSEPLOP! A SHAME. 73cv.2
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TOO BAD WE HAVE SUCH MORONS ON HORSEPLOP! A SHAME. 73cv.2
How the fuck can it take 2 months to clean a 6-Stall barn?
I made my money advising people but I can work with my hands and back.
Day 1 ... I'm done with the barn before lunch and asking ... What's Next?
And how the fuck you show pictures of mowed fields without a single lawn mower in sight?
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Grifters gonna grift.
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I hear there are hundreds of possible investors reading horseplop.com
I hear they would like to thrive like G and make money like G but G won't disclose the name of even 1 pf his money making horses?
I hear this sounds fishy
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I hear there are hundreds of possible investors reading horseplop.com
I hear they would like to thrive like G and make money like G but G won't disclose the name of even 1 pf his money making horses?
I hear this sounds fishy
and there are several owners of Breeders Crown Finals winners on Plops as well.
You want to invade their privacy too?
Fuck off.
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and there are several owners of Breeders Crown Finals winners on Plops as well.
You want to invade their privacy too?
Fuck off.
You know who can fuck off? Anonymous posters repeatedly posting about their horses making money but refusing to validate any of it.
Also, you. You can fuck off
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How the fuck can it take 2 months to clean a 6-Stall barn?
I made my money advising people but I can work with my hands and back.
Day 1 ... I'm done with the barn before lunch and asking ... What's Next?
And how the fuck you show pictures of mowed fields without a single lawn mower in sight?
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Grifters gonna grift.
Hmm? 11.wp
https://youtube.com/shorts/OPOywq9GLMg?si=vY5bh0uyq4zLamAa
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You know who can fuck off? Anonymous posters repeatedly posting about their horses making money but refusing to validate any of it.
Also, you. You can fuck off
FUCK OFF DUMBASS!! 73cv.2
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Hmm? 11.wp
https://youtube.com/shorts/OPOywq9GLMg?si=vY5bh0uyq4zLamAa
I don't open your links. Almost nobody does.
But I'm told a recent Shopping Cart YouTube has you sobbing about your physical, mental and financial health. Something about blaming that for your abhorrent behavior.
Always the victim.
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I don't open your links. Almost nobody does.
But I'm told a recent Shopping Cart YouTube has you sobbing about your physical, mental and financial health. Something about blaming that for your abhorrent behavior.
Always the victim.
Yeah, I never click links. Got a virus more than once doing it. tmbz1
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I don't open your links. Almost nobody does.
But I'm told a recent Shopping Cart YouTube has you sobbing about your physical, mental and financial health. Something about blaming that for your abhorrent behavior.
Always the victim.
I never open these links you can't trust these fucking guys. I could give a fuck less about their YouTube nobody watches it anyway. The only one that's watchable and gets a lot of notoriety and views is Larry's