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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Trigger on February 24, 2026, 10:15:43 AM
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This is not just a gambling question, while horseman have much deeper inside knowledge to the up coming race they're in, and likely will need data to understand their competition and or create their own racing strategy.
T-Bred
DRF for more lines of pp history and Brisnet for the data. I do not like Equibase but I can read it.
Harness
I think Trackmaster Platinum rules, you get the lines and the data, and TEMPERATURE at race time.
Free track forms or any old free form can't hurt if it has data, analysis others don't.
Maybe some of these horses show in their lifetime of racing patterns, the only way to see them is lifetime past performances and that is an investment I'm looking into.
Thorough Graph I need to take a week or so to learn it, have access to free for years and never took the time.
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this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about
we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure
the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it
Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse
I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times
now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.
the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper
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Papi, great point, also odds, I like to get the forms pre ml odds and final entries for the t-breds and do not want to be influenced by a another analysts opinion of that tmbz1
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I know that it is no longer current, but on the harness side, nothing beat Sports Eye charts and race analysis.
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I know that it is no longer current, but on the harness side, nothing beat Sports Eye charts and race analysis.
I loved Sports Eye. Best racing paper ever!
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I loved Sports Eye. Best racing paper ever!
Sports Eye was great tmbz1
Jay Bergman did M1 handicapping and Dave Brower did the charts..this was about 35 years ago and I needed to buy the Sports Eye everyday--it was a must to have
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this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about
we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure
the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it
Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse
I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times
now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.
the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper
What in living hell is a "numper" anyway? This post just illustrates to me how so many horse people are uneducated dip shits who can't spell or write a sentence correctly.
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Sports Eye was great tmbz1
Jay Bergman did M1 handicapping and Dave Brower did the charts..this was about 35 years ago and I needed to buy the Sports Eye everyday--it was a must to have
I loved Sports Eye. Best racing paper ever!
I know that it is no longer current, but on the harness side, nothing beat Sports Eye charts and race analysis.
Loved the Sports Eye.
Miss the Sports Eye.
We shouldn't have to handicap harness without it.
Yonkers, back then...I'd sleep with my Sports Eye, fell asleep in its arms, and pen ink all over the place ngc3
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What in living hell is a "numper" anyway? This post just illustrates to me how so many horse people are uneducated dip shits who can't spell or write a sentence correctly.
I have my replies on Plop spell check
so a numper=number
banded=banned
etc etc
there are many more
lighten up Francis
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What in living hell is a "numper" anyway? This post just illustrates to me how so many horse people are uneducated dip shits who can't spell or write a sentence correctly.
Grandma grammar is back ngc3
Remember when I drilled over your posts for grammar and spelling...you took a hiatus from the shame...it's a chat room dick head, interpret...or don't hang out with us illiterates.
Your Mensa chat room awaits you, you old prolapsed whiny anus ngc3
Such a low self esteem to seek out ticky tack bullshit and insult. ;D
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Grandma grammar is back ngc3
Remember when I drilled over your posts for grammar and spelling...you took a hiatus from the shame...it's a chat room dick head, interpret...or don't hang out with us illiterates.
Your Mensa chat room awaits you, you old prolapsed whiny anus ngc3
Such a low self esteem to seek out ticky tack bullshit and insult. ;D
not to mention I intentionally typed "numper"
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"Sports Eye" PP's are still available thru DRF
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not to mention I intentionally typed "numper"
We know that ngc3
Just like when John Frank spells balloooooooooooon head with 12 or more o's ngc3
And Plop special guest today is Rdp066 as Grandma Grammar! ;D
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If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.
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Sports Eye was great tmbz1
Jay Bergman did M1 handicapping and Dave Brower did the charts..this was about 35 years ago and I needed to buy the Sports Eye everyday--it was a must to have
And Mischa Goss on the other side of the river
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If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.
ngc3
or be placed on "eggnore"
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If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.
I want the rag and be filthy stinking of ink ngc3
I want to go back!
So many great memories, replaced by so many complaints ngc3
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ngc3
or be placed on "eggnore"
ngc3
I like Cahloun's IGGY, to each their own. ;D
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ngc3
or be placed on "eggnore"
agree
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If you don't know what a numper is then you should be banded.
tha k you
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not to mention I intentionally typed "numper"
spelled our way
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this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about
we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure
the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it
Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse
I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times
now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.
the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper
i agree,yes they are numpers
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avree with most all sports eye was the best,now i use drf harness eye does anyone know if they have a results pageuse for daily harness eye,with chartwd lines?
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Saratogo has had good handle this year
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Grandma grammar is back ngc3
Remember when I drilled over your posts for grammar and spelling...you took a hiatus from the shame...it's a chat room dick head, interpret...or don't hang out with us illiterates.
Your Mensa chat room awaits you, you old prolapsed whiny anus ngc3
Such a low self esteem to seek out ticky tack bullshit and insult. ;D
I had a wager with my friend that the ultimate douche bag, Trigger, would comment on my post and I won. Just a washed up piece of shit with nothing in his life but an internet message board to keep him occupied. So very sad an existence to be you. I picture a decriped lonely waste product waiting to respond to every fucking post on this board. Time to get a real life and an education if possible at your age old man.
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I had a wager with my friend that the ultimate douche bag, Trigger, would comment on my post and I won. Just a washed up piece of shit with nothing in his life but an internet message board to keep him occupied. So very sad an existence to be you. I picture a decriped decrepit lonely waste product waiting to respond to every fucking post on this board. Time to get a real life and an education if possible at your age old man.
How much did you win betting on me grandma gwandma grammar? ngc3
You have a friend? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Ok, sure! ;D
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I had a wager with my friend that the ultimate douche bag, Trigger, would comment on my post and I won.
Easy Money
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I've been working on a project for tbreds.
Using Equibase data that generates the Past Performance Running Line Preview chart below the detailed chart for each race in the Full Charts section.
For each race, I'm generating a line graph. One line per horse. Each horse assigned a different line color. Leftmost data point X axis is first call. So on, until the rightmost which is finish. Y axis is lengths behind leader (or leader "by" lengths)
So you have a line graph with i.e., 10 lines depicting - left to right - the running of the race.
On a day with a speed bias, you'll see more of the top finishers at the top of the entire chart.
On a day with an anti-speed bias, you'll see more of the top finishers start at/toward the bottom left and finishing at/near the top.
I find this a very useful visual
In reviewing one card of charts, the optimal result is finding a very small number of horses that ran well against whatever bias there was.
Now a lot of races fall apart on the front and the finishers just passed tired horses. Or the LAte Pace types were just trash and were never going to run well in any scenario. So while useful, limited. Plus defining track bias is very subjective.
So some of these horses are your first cut and go into virtual stable. Then you look for return race with a better pace/trip set up.
I've chosen Turfway because I want Synth (fewer shippers) and large fields. When Turfway ends, Woodbine starts.
I've worked through the prior two meets at Turfway and am still learning. About 40 hours in and at least that much more work to do.
I think its a fools errand but I've seen some very positive things.
I'll probably get bored and quit.
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Go-to PPs are TrackMaster Flashnet.
Clean, succinct, user-friendly.
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replays are the best past preformences
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replays are the best past preformences
tmbz1
Definitely for the harness qua's and t-bred w/o's and I still watch their pm races too.
Just more difficult to rely on when more and more use their chemistry sets in between races ngc3
Track configurations too, some horses favor, like or don't like, gain or lose an edge...when they move around a bit.
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replays are the best past preformences
absolutely...well said and a very simple concept tmbz1
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Do any of the harness programs somehow designate the first over horse from the other parked out horses?
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Do any of the harness programs somehow designate the first over horse from the other parked out horses?
Not more than their position and matching up to the replay and charts....and ° for first over and °° for 3-wide?...Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the features we used love about the Sports Eye was race notes on the far right of each line, like in the t-bred forms?
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What in living hell is a "numper" anyway? This post just illustrates to me how so many horse people are uneducated dip shits who can't spell or write a sentence correctly.
It's a dead game laddie
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this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about
we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure
the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it
Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse
I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times
now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.
the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper
Beyer numbers are affected by internals. Who or what are making the variant.....you get what you pay for.
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I’ve always had a theory with the numbers for harness races: it’s not where you finish. It’s how you got there.
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Dan Nants has the best numpers by far
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The Beyer Speed Figure for the Tampa Bay Derby was changed for a second time. The Puma, who won the race, has now been assigned a 94 Beyer for his victory. The Beyer was initially a 95 but was soon changed to an 89.
After The Puma came back to run second, beaten a nose, in the Grade 1 Florida Derby on March 28 and Further Ado, second in the Tampa Bay Derby, came back to win last Saturday’s Grade 1 Blue Grass Stakes by 11 lengths with a 106 Beyer, the Tampa Bay Derby figure was re-adjusted to a 94.
Horses who won maiden races at Tampa in February also had a big day on Saturday at Aqueduct, with Albus winning the Grade 2 Wood Memorial and Always a Runner taking the Grade 3 Gazelle for 3-year-old fillies.
.......this is what I was referring to previously
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ALBUS wasn't even close to being all out in the Wood last weekend! Hopefully he and Renagade who has been winning "in hand "put on a show in the triple crown!!
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DRF still sells Sports Eye PPs under the Harness Eye brand.