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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Trigger on February 17, 2026, 06:21:05 PM
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Kenny McPeek (T-Breds) is the only insider who made it known to me (on his own volition) he doesn't wager.
I know Robert Cooper (Harness owner) bets heavy when they're a go.
I don't care where if your sharing, but current please not non-active tmbz1
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Most drivers and trainers dont bet.
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With the driver and trainer percentage now deducted from the purse money, I don't see a need to supplement the money already in my pocket. tmbz1
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Michael Forte and Ricky B, very sharp.
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L Saddle Bags @ Hazel or DRC ... $500 to Miss the Trifecta.
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BOB McCLURE drives like he bet his money....or didn't.
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Purse money is so good now that I don't see much betting. Sure, an owner can bet his horse if he thinks he can win. But it's not like the old days. Plus, the pools are much smaller now, and bets all show up. People talk about betting offshore, but they are not in business to give away money.
Then of course you have the owners or trainers that say they bet thier horse good when it wins and made a ton of money. Most are full of shit. Covering up on a horse they overpaid for, which is way underperforming
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BOB McCLURE drives like he bet his money....or didn't.
I was not going to get involved in this topic because of the danger but he is bad at hiding it and judges are even more corrupt because he does it so poorly when gapping a football field then flying on end. He would be the worst offender i believe and most of the biggest offenders are weg drivers as most drive for a 6th finish at huge odds, i believe over the years that a few off us know who the gamblers are, i have to be honest that i like guys that set up huge prices ways more than guys dropping 4 lines to pay 2-80 but today i believe there are zero guys setting up big prices as the chalk route makes sense to them and almost all of them end off broke.
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Purse money is so good now that I don't see much betting. Sure, an owner can bet his horse if he thinks he can win. But it's not like the old days. Plus, the pools are much smaller now, and bets all show up. People talk about betting offshore, but they are not in business to give away money.
Then of course you have the owners or trainers that say they bet thier horse good when it wins and made a ton of money. Most are full of shit. Covering up on a horse they overpaid for, which is way underperforming
The worst for of cheating is single file racing with everyone given a hole, You should be correct with your logic but i believe you are not because when that board talks it tells the truth.
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Yonkers is the worst. They line up every race, and no one makes any moves till past the half. If you have the 7 or 8, it's a take-back till next week. It's tough to get in thier, but if you look at the earnings of the horses that do race there, they'll get thier share of the inflated purses. Some are better than others, but they all do very well.
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Yonkers is the worst. They line up every race, and no one makes any moves till past the half. If you have the 7 or 8, it's a take-back till next week. It's tough to get in thier, but if you look at the earnings of the horses that do race there, they'll get thier share of the inflated purses. Some are better than others, but they all do very well.
[/quote Yonkers is a half mile but a 7/8 mile race its insane but i can say the western CANADIAN boys are very friendly to each other,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Maybe football needs to learn and when two boys line up and one is from TEXAS and the other from OKLAHOMA they need to be easy on each other and let the guy get to his quarterback once in a while and thats how a true southern gentleman works, its called LOVE and harness racing has that.
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Very few today . The days of Filion , Gilmour , Cormier , Patterson , Webster , o Donnell , Manzi long gone .
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Norman and Frank made good morning at Roosevelt and Yonkers back in the day
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Carmine made the most of all of them
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I don't bet very often but love to bet the big cards like Hambo day, Pace day or BC program.
Don't really have time to handicap everyday races so I keep it to those events.
However I'm so turned off the last few years by the very SMALL chance if making some cash that I will only watch the replays the next day now.
I think the average payoff would not exceed $3.10 in those races and the money will fall last tote and bring a 5-2 horse to 4-5.
It's gotten that smart money is cannibalizing the pools and the average Joe won't stand a chance.
I have a better chance of making money by betting sports and that's what I do when I want some action.
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I don't bet very often but love to bet the big cards like Hambo day, Pace day or BC program.
Don't really have time to handicap everyday races so I keep it to those events.
However I'm so turned off the last few years by the very SMALL chance if making some cash that I will only watch the replays the next day now.
I think the average payoff would not exceed $3.10 in those races and the money will fall last tote and bring a 5-2 horse to 4-5.
It's gotten that smart money is cannibalizing the pools and the average Joe won't stand a chance.
I have a better chance of making money by betting sports and that's what I do when I want some action.
A rare very good post on this site, It keeps getting worse with each month as its underlay after underlay and if you can not beat a race when a super value underlay makes the race a must play then why play, In poker its huge value to a game when someone is a non figure but these days in horse racing the group of dead money are live money gamblers and that makes no sense, Years ago one of the top winning players i ever met told me that the biggest sucker players motto is its better to cash than rip and that is so insane because if your cashing on some of these 3 dollar horses you have to go broke.
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I don't bet very often but love to bet the big cards like Hambo day, Pace day or BC program.
Don't really have time to handicap everyday races so I keep it to those events.
However I'm so turned off the last few years by the very SMALL chance if making some cash that I will only watch the replays the next day now.
I think the average payoff would not exceed $3.10 in those races and the money will fall last tote and bring a 5-2 horse to 4-5.
It's gotten that smart money is cannibalizing the pools and the average Joe won't stand a chance.
I have a better chance of making money by betting sports and that's what I do when I want some action.
Go look at results charts from the "old days"...you NEVER saw a $2.10 payoff anywhere, very rarely an odds-on favorite unless it was the Open or a stakes race.
And if you had a heavy favorite it would pay like $3.20, $2.60, $2.40
Now it's $3.20 2.10 2.10.
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Everyone at Monticello, purses are too low, they supplement their income at the window, fact, legit 100%
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A rare very good post on this site, It keeps getting worse with each month as its underlay after underlay and if you can not beat a race when a super value underlay makes the race a must play then why play, In poker its huge value to a game when someone is a non figure but these days in horse racing the group of dead money are live money gamblers and that makes no sense, Years ago one of the top winning players i ever met told me that the biggest sucker players motto is its better to cash than rip and that is so insane because if your cashing on some of these 3 dollar horses you have to go broke.
I think you are 100% right. There was a periodical named "American Turf monthly" which used to make the same points you just did. I try to pick my spots and look for some value in certain races. Most of the horseplayers i've met who've have had a modicum of success seem to "pick their spots" and have great money management skills.
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Monticello is difficult to handicap with just a program or form imo,but if you have a reliable "connections " to the backstretch,it can be very helpful!
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Everyone at Monticello, purses are too low, they supplement their income at the window, fact, legit 100%
Hogwash!! ngc3 ngc3 Thats as much HOGWASH as your Ford will resign posts!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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some of the all time greatest gambler came from or were once at Northfield. some are still there.
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minimal betting by drivers for sure, most make too much money and betting is not worth the hassle or risk
similar for trainers but a few of the smaller guys will drop down a bet when they think they have one good to go
however grooms will bet , to them making a score is still significant and if they think one of the ones they look after is good and trainer says its go time they drop down a bet