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Title: Hypothetical question
Post by: Deadbeat on December 23, 2025, 10:24:49 PM
Let’s say hypothetically that there’s a trainer that races at say, Yonkers. This trainer gets the same driver everytime. Let’s say they win with pretty much everything.
Let’s say this hypothetical trainer also could have a 1 year suspension hanging over their heads.
Lastly, let’s hypothetically say during the investigation into said hypothetical suspension this trainer’s results were pedestrian.
Now that this alleged investigation is behind this trainer, their results again skyrocket.

Would their be an investigation including out of competition testing and surprise barn inspections if this situation had actually occurred?

Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on December 23, 2025, 10:34:35 PM
Sure, I'd like to see it. I have no idea what NY rules are on out-of-competition testing. Even if it's allowed, I've never heard of random incidents (outside major investigations). I know it's happened in NJ, and with the t-breds in NY. I wish it were standard in every state. I keep hearing the so called "legitimate reasons" why states don't do it. I think the real reasons are corruption in certain states, ineptness in others, and a blind-eye/deaf-ear "we don't care" attitude.
Title: Re: Hypothetical question
Post by: Trigger on December 23, 2025, 10:40:59 PM
Let’s say hypothetically that there’s a trainer that races at say, Yonkers. This trainer gets the same driver everytime. Let’s say they win with pretty much everything.
Let’s say this hypothetical trainer also could have a 1 year suspension hanging over their heads.
Lastly, let’s hypothetically say during the investigation into said hypothetical suspension this trainer’s results were pedestrian.
Now that this alleged investigation is behind this trainer, their results again skyrocket.

Would their be an investigation including out of competition testing and surprise barn inspections if this situation had actually occurred?

A 1 year suspension looming for what, doping?

No one can say there would be another investigation, OOC testing and barn inspections unless they are the investigator.  But what is wrong with those things if a trainer is doing nothing wrong other than possible inconvenience, you're innocent you're vindicated.

Unless all the horses in the stable coincidentally became ill during the investigation...S hould there be, yes, for obvious reasons - performance structuring / to scrutiny ratio - pattern.

You can't prove anything with patterns alone though.
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