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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Jack R. Braden on November 30, 2025, 06:11:28 PM
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According to Gabe Prewitt, Hoosier Park's handle is up 30% in handle on a year-to-year basis.
What specific strategies are Prewitt and Co. using that can be replicated at other tracks to at least stem the downward trend in handle?
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Any numbers to back that up? Seems like a big jump.
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Here are some #s in a graphic tweeted by Prewitt:
Total Handle
2025: $131.4 million
2024: $100.9 million
# of Races
2025: 2,132
2024: 2,096
Average Handle/Race
2025: $61,637.09
2024: $48,322.26
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Thanks for posting that. That’s a decent increase considering harness racing as a whole is way down.
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I've said it multiple times but Jacob Rheinheimer is exceptional. They've phased out worthless commentary from Chamberlain, making the on-air product more appealing.
The horse stock they had this year was much better than year's before, specifically the 2 year olds. Also some of the grand circuit horses came to Hoosier at the end of the year and had difficulty beating the sire stakes company.
The racing has never been more uncompetitive, in my opinion, because of how horrid the driver colony is. Single file racing to the far turn with 5 or 6 favorites stealing wins per night via joke fractions on the lead because everyone on a horse 5/1 or more is racing to get a check - never to win.
On nights where David Miller, Dexter Dunn, etc are in town, Hoosier's cards compete with the Big M in terms of parity, competition, betting product, and overall quality, but those nights are too few and far between.
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They let Tyler George steal 30% of the races
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They let Tyler George steal 30% of the races
Clueless comment. He won less than 10% of total races at the track this year.
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Clueless comment. He won less than 10% of total races at the track this year.
Ok so you are a cuck just like Hoosier
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CAN YOU IMAGINE NITWIT HALFWIT BRAGGING ABOUT 61K IN A SINGLE RACE BETTING POOL? .PLACE IS 1/2 EMPTY ON THE RACING SIDE. THE CASINO IS FULL THOUGH WHERE 61K PER SECOND IS BET. YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET A PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY CUT BACK ON HOW MANY THEY PRINT.
RICK MOORE SCREWED THE PLACE UP SO BAD IT MIGHT NEVER RECOVER.
THEY LET TRACE HAVE THE RUN OF THE TRACK. NOBODY CAN CHALLENGE HIM OR HE CRIES. JUST WON HIS 14TH MEET, AND HAS BEEN LEADING DRIVER 11 IN A ROW.THIS ONLY MEANS THE OTHER DRIVERS SUCK.
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Clueless comment. He won less than 10% of total races at the track this year.
What percentage of the races he was in did he win? Had to be at least 25% at Hoosier.
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He had 486 starters with 165 winners, good for 34%.
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He had 486 starters with 165 winners, good for 34%.
Yeah, but Pigland still doesn’t like him.
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Their handle is skyrocketing to an ALL TIME high! Very popular! tmbz1
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Up at Hossier and down at the Red Mile ?
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However he did it, wherever the money comes from, those numbers are great...consideri ng every other track is easily down 20% or more over the last few years.
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If they are doing so well, a purse increase must be coming next year! 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2 LMAO ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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$61k per race. NOBODY thinks that is good.
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$61k per race. NOBODY thinks that is good.
Unfortunately it's all relative. Compared to most other tracks not named Meadowlands, Mohawk or Northfield $61K per race is solid.
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Seems like wherever Gabe goes the money follows
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Gabe is smart enough to lower the takeout on multi-race wagers and is the King of the Drag.
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25% increase in handle from where? I'm not buying the growth is organic or the on-air show is better.
Does the serious player actually watch/listen to the talking heads show? IDK but I'd say no.
Maybe Hoosier sweetened whatever deal they have with the CAWs?
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If in fact they did have a 25% increase in handle, no, I don't think it has to do with the on-air product/offering/show. Maybe they lowered their takeout, maybe they cut a (new) deal with a CAW group, maybe nobody knows, LOL. Let's see what happens.
Lower the takeout, very substantially, wait, seriously wait, and watch what happens.
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Pruitt and Morris
Turn theirs Heads
at the citrus growers
I love when they hand out yr end awards with a straight face
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Better than the old WWF
tmbz1
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They can inch their handle up all they want, but until a new class of individuals start to be the participants in front of the fans, the end is the same, failure without incredible subsidy.
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When a track talks about handle increases and provides zero transparency of caw %, it is a complete slap in the face to every single one of their retail players
I treat the following as gospel.
If the increase was from retail handle and was subsequently in our favor, they couldn't write to tell us that fast enough.
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When a track talks about handle increases and provides zero transparency of caw %, it is a complete slap in the face to every single one of their retail players
I treat the following as gospel.
If the increase was from retail handle and was subsequently in our favor, they couldn't write to tell us that fast enough.
Perfect post, Who watched Hoosier this year and thought the product was good, Single file boring racetrack with speed winning every race and for years this track was the best track for watching purposes as it was a huge closers track and on a surface that favours a closer trainers like BURKE and others win percentage drops and drivers like Wally at the POMP who put the peddle down start to finish do not do well, Pruitt has done zero for horse racing and yes he seems like an ok guy but does not care one inch about the gambler.
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When a track talks about handle increases and provides zero transparency of caw %, it is a complete slap in the face to every single one of their retail players
I treat the following as gospel.
If the increase was from retail handle and was subsequently in our favor, they couldn't write to tell us that fast enough.
excellent tmbz1
no doubt the increase in handle is CAW related
tracks don't want bettors being aware about CAWs and their betting after the bell and rebates
they don't want that information out there-they truly believe most fans are ignorant to CAW handle--as does Gural--and I cannot say they are incorrect
they prefer to keep their "retail" players truly believing they are on a level playing field--and some enough are dumb enough to actually believe that
this is why retail handle is plummeting and CAW handle is skyrocketing
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After reading this , I'm wondrering why some of you have GDS or JDS. Gabe P. and Joe M. derangement syndrome. I wish my tracks were up 1% say no less 25-30%. I also would welcome any type of handle we could get, damn, be happy with what you have out west. Sounds like LucPark has just run into some back luck lately. So Instead of looking in the mirror you have to blame someone. I commend anyone and any track that could be up that much in 1 season, either they are doing something right or the previous administration was that stupid. Just saying gang
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After reading this , I'm wondrering why some of you have GDS or JDS. Gabe P. and Joe M. derangement syndrome. I wish my tracks were up 1% say no less 25-30%. I also would welcome any type of handle we could get, damn, be happy with what you have out west. Sounds like LucPark has just run into some back luck lately. So Instead of looking in the mirror you have to blame someone. I commend anyone and any track that could be up that much in 1 season, either they are doing something right or the previous administration was that stupid. Just saying gang
When horses go 3 seconds faster after one week after being claimed
Or lifetime marks by 2 or three seconds week after being claimed
Yes it’s LUCPARK bitching cus he had a bad yr
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I love when they give awards. 💯 percent knowing
Other horsemen. Owners and trainers were getting fcked
Yes I have something to bitch about
Pruitt and Morris.
Don’t correct the obvious issues.
Pocono west is not far behind
Jmvfho
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When horses go 3 seconds faster after one week after being claimed
Or lifetime marks by 2 or three seconds week after being claimed
Yes it’s LUCPARK bitching cus he had a bad yr
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I love when they give awards. 💯 percent knowing
Other horsemen. Owners and trainers were getting fcked
Yes I have something to bitch about
Pruitt and Morris.
Don’t correct the obvious issues.
Pocono west is not far behind
Jmvfho
Here is Joe accepting inmate gang leader award in 24' from corrupt warden Williams.
(https://s202.q4cdn.com/508919455/files/images/image.png)
Here is a pic of a pretty horse & a doufus, Gabe
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/heraldbulletin.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/ca/7ca51a70-fbcf-11ef-8b33-1ffc79f540f8/67cbbd1687354.image.jpg?resize=494%2C500)
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When horses go 3 seconds faster after one week after being claimed
Or lifetime marks by 2 or three seconds week after being claimed
Yes it’s LUCPARK bitching cus he had a bad yr
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I love when they give awards. 💯 percent knowing
Other horsemen. Owners and trainers were getting fcked
Yes I have something to bitch about
Pruitt and Morris.
Don’t correct the obvious issues.
Pocono west is not far behind
Jmvfho
Please remind us of the last clean trainer you employed? I love deadbeats that cry when the drugs their trainers use can’t win.
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After reading this , I'm wondrering why some of you have GDS or JDS. Gabe P. and Joe M. derangement syndrome. I wish my tracks were up 1% say no less 25-30%. I also would welcome any type of handle we could get, damn, be happy with what you have out west. Sounds like LucPark has just run into some back luck lately. So Instead of looking in the mirror you have to blame someone. I commend anyone and any track that could be up that much in 1 season, either they are doing something right or the previous administration was that stupid. Just saying gang
You must like guys who commit crimes and take care of their family and friends and for sure your MAX BET is 2 bucks as your post is outright self serving and january the first when the big beautiful bill comes into play you will see the true interest in the sport and see how the CAW groups have taken the last crumbs and just like in BC when the true handles show up the party will be over
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The charade is over.
Smoke and mirrors dont work any more.
CAWs are the most talked about topic in the industry.
Withholding CAW vs retail handle in these reports is disingenuous
When the industry is extinct and we look back at it, the idea of "welcoming any type of handle i can get" will be at the very very very top of the "what went wrong" list
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Any way you spin it Harness Racing is THRIVING at Hoosier!
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Any way you spin it Harness Racing is THRIVING at Hoosier!
If this at Hoosier is "thriving" what do you call racing before casino and or government subsidy?
Then before simulcasting when it relied only on mutual pools?
Decoupling and contracts predicated on a corrupt business model mean the end, no?
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If the handle was really up 30% how come the purses never went up. Gabe is just playing with the numbers to paint a rosy picture so he can get the credit for it.
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If the handle was really up 30% how come the purses never went up. Gabe is just playing with the numbers to paint a rosy picture so he can get the credit for it.
You have quite an imagination! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You have quite an imagination! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Zero substance as usual. ngc3
Why are you scared of your own shadow. ngc3
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Please remind us of the last clean trainer you employed? I love deadbeats that cry when the drugs their trainers use can’t win.
Lucpark has won a Breeders Crown Elim and could buy you 100x over.
Step off.
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Lucpark has won a Breeders Crown Elim and could buy you 100x over.
Step off.
What’s that have to do with using suspect trainers? Funny to see you talk about money. ngc3
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Lucpark has won a Breeders Crown Elim and could buy you 100x over.
Step off.
All the trainers that got prison time also won Breeders Crown and not just elimination. Don’t forget he thought Surick was the greatest trainer ever
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You must like guys who commit crimes and take care of their family and friends and for sure your MAX BET is 2 bucks as your post is outright self serving and january the first when the big beautiful bill comes into play you will see the true interest in the sport and see how the CAW groups have taken the last crumbs and just like in BC when the true handles show up the party will be over
Ya probably no bigger jealous dbag than Lucparc.
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Ya probably no bigger jealous dbag than Lucparc.
Ya probably no bigger coward than you Pigeon Jim Bafia.
Time for a new User ID, ya drip.