This was part 1 of what will be two hearings. Next is December 15th. Bottom line, Taylor's defense remains the same, he had two attorneys with him today. Standing on the "I only paid the bills". However, the state did have Lead Investigator/Special Agent who led the Fishman case Shaun Richards answering questions. The same guy I read the letter he sent regarding the EQ-1@5 painkiller these people were using and its potency. The can of worms is open right down to communications from a "certain individual" via text message attempting to coerce Presiding Judge Robert Corey regarding these issues. A ton of damaging evidence was presented today by the same people who obtained it, that's the theme. And introduction of proof as to who is the person responsible for "buying" all the junk from Fishman. Ain't good for our buddy.
The lawyer had attorney book ends with him.
How can anyone believe he's not innocent.
If Harness racing is filled with crooks.
Can imagine being the rare excluded crook.
Would be a shame if law enforcement decides to take another look.
Riding off into the sunset free and clear is not for everyone.
How many times have we read here by his fans that he was "cleared" by the FBI, including statements he's made to the media stating the same. Well.....guess who showed up today. He never made any non prosecutory agreements or any agreement on the record that anyone can find that ever said he was free and clear. Like I tried to say in the livestreams, just because he wasn't pursued by the government doesn't mean the evidence found against him by the FBI can't be used by state racing commissions. tmbz1
If what you guys are saying is true there should be a couple hundred other owners with their owners licenses in jeopardy. How can someone be guilty if they didn’t receive any drugs , didn’t administer any drugs , never touched any drugs. We’re owners and when we receive a bill we pay it. The Vets bill the owners directly because they want to get paid, most of the trainers are broke and the Vets like to get paid instead of getting stiffed. Howard’s going to fight this to the bitter end, and when it’s all said and done my money’s on him.
So the question is , out of all these hundreds of owners why did the Delaware and Kentucky racing commission’s pick Howard Taylor and his owners license. The answer is one word , Gural. Howard made a blood enemy with this guy and he’s going to have to go thru the process of dealing with it. Like I said my money’s on Howard , when he gets done with all this license crap the next move will be burying Gural with the lawsuit he has against him. Hopefully the old piece of garbage lives long enough to see all the money Howard gets off of him
So all someone has to do is send a horse owner a VET bill and they pay it - it doesn't matter who from or what for, as it won't be questioned, just PAID? ngc3
I object your honor! ngc3
Overruled! ngc3
Mike's not going to like this but I'm going to help your side. ngc3
HT's strategy at the Kentucky hearing failed, drinking and picking shit out of his mouth and spitting ngc3
Has HT ever considered using the Pickle Jar strategy?...it worked for Anton! ;D
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Of course Howard knew, only the blind, deaf and dumb had no idea. I hope they can prove it in court. What does Calchoun think ?
Howard's a happy newlywed....
If what you guys are saying is true there should be a couple hundred other owners with their owners licenses in jeopardy. How can someone be guilty if they didn’t receive any drugs , didn’t administer any drugs , never touched any drugs. We’re owners and when we receive a bill we pay it.
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Very Sharp, Very Smart tmbz1
I've already shared my opinions on Howard Taylor. I won't speak to that again. In the end, if he's guilty, he should be banned. If he is not found guilty, the conspiracy theorists will scream too big to fail, too powerful, swept under the rug, and so on. If you only have a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail.
I don't think everyone on "the list" is automatically guilty. Why? When "the list" was first made public, like many, I read it. If Fishman, the compounders, and all the others who got indicted/charged and found guilty, were only and exclusively selling "illegal" drugs, then yes, everyone on that list is guilty. However, I don't know that is the case. Sure, there are specific items that everyone now knows are illegal. It is also known that certain people (Navarro and Servis for example) knew it. They are guilty and should be punished to the maximum extent possible. It would take time and money, but the evidence *wiretaps, e mails, texts, etc.), will tell you who knew what, what they did, and who didn't.
However, if Fishman et al were also selling things that were legal, I for one am not going to say that a trainer who bought the equivalent of liquid aspirin, or clenbuterol, is guilty (unless some other laws were broken). As far as owners, look, if an owner bought something legal, was billed and paid for it, and it was shipped to a trainer, circumstances taken into consideration, that might OK. But if an owner bought something illegal, knew it, paid for it, took delivery, distributed it to his/her trainers, and so on. Guilty! Period. The evidence will tell that too. There were some owners on that list that many people would think are upstanding and quality people in this industry. Before I hang someone, I want to make sure they deserve it.
Couple more tidbits from yesterday. Robert Corey, Scott Egger, over 50 pieces of evidence and communications handed into the commission under objection by his defense which was denied.
Also said into the record "Person Of Interest".....think about it.
Person of interest...was cremated or buried?
He was sitting in the room yesterday.
Yeh but didn't someone blame someone else no longer with him as in deceased.
If what you guys are saying is true there should be a couple hundred other owners with their owners licenses in jeopardy. How can someone be guilty if they didn’t receive any drugs , didn’t administer any drugs , never touched any drugs. We’re owners and when we receive a bill we pay it. The Vets bill the owners directly because they want to get paid, most of the trainers are broke and the Vets like to get paid instead of getting stiffed. Howard’s going to fight this to the bitter end, and when it’s all said and done my money’s on him.exactly I talked to Howard at the sale. He’s not worried about it. Don’t listen to all the rhetoric you read on this website most of it just bull howard’s gonna be just fine
Like I said before, over 100 owners paid the same bills that SCM keeps posting. Pay careful notice that none of them has been bothered whatsoever. SCM believes that he has become relevant in the harness racing world because of his posts and videos. The real SCM has practically no trainer earnings, practically no driver earnings, and has zero respect as a horseman in the harness racing world by anyone that matters. He definitely has made a pain in the ass of himself but at some point when all of this commission stuff is over , he will just fade into oblivion where he belongs. P.S let’s not forget about SCM getting kicked out of Goshen because he’s a no pay deadbeatWasn’t aware he got kicked out of Goshen among other things
https://youtu.be/iaKWg69MazQ hilarious. Right out of his own mouth. He says the bills went to her? But were mailed to his office from Equestology direct to him. And he name drops me? Sorry Howard, it's all available to the public.
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Like I said before, over 100 owners paid the same bills that SCM keeps posting. Pay careful notice that none of them has been bothered whatsoever. SCM believes that he has become relevant in the harness racing world because of his posts and videos. The real SCM has practically no trainer earnings, practically no driver earnings, and has zero respect as a horseman in the harness racing world by anyone that matters. He definitely has made a pain in the ass of himself but at some point when all of this commission stuff is over , he will just fade into oblivion where he belongs. P.S let’s not forget about SCM getting kicked out of Goshen because he’s a no pay deadbeat
Really? Hope you can prove that, or did you believe the Mark Ford statement to the NJRC regarding him attacking Dave Yarock for doing business with me. Sorry sweetheart, I got kicked out for complaining the place was a sheet of ice on Facebook and they cried. I never rented any stalls, my owner did. Are you always wrong here stupid?? ngc3why are you obsessed with me? Why would I have to prove anything to you? According to some of the posters you’re not even licensed.
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Oh look, did Markie boy lie because he was mad I was getting paid? Still held a grudge for me changing all the locks in his house.... ngc3
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why are you obsessed with me? Why would I have to prove anything to you? According to some of the posters you’re not even licensed.
Like I said before, over 100 owners paid the same bills that SCM keeps posting. Pay careful notice that none of them has been bothered whatsoever. SCM believes that he has become relevant in the harness racing world because of his posts and videos. The real SCM has practically no trainer earnings, practically no driver earnings, and has zero respect as a horseman in the harness racing world by anyone that matters. He definitely has made a pain in the ass of himself but at some point when all of this commission stuff is over , he will just fade into oblivion where he belongs. P.S let’s not forget about SCM getting kicked out of Goshen because he’s a no pay deadbeat
Why would you be posting somebody’s address on a public website? When I spoke to Mark and Howard at the sale they told me a whole different story than what you were mentioning. They told me take what you read on that website with a grain of salt most of it is BS.
His office is public knowledge jackass. You can't be this stupid, is it all part of the I've never been on Horseplop before, just discovered it after 40 years in the business act? ngc3 Yep, the FBI exhibits all BS. Fords testimony directly from the NJRC all BS. Letter direct from Linda at Historic Track all BS. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 AND, you thought I was responding to you when it's clearly a response to Cashout. Moron.
Oh look, maybe sue Google.
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Oops I doxxed Potus and The First Lady's address ngc3
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500
I'll see you in prison Mike, it's Meatloaf night. ;D
His office is public knowledge jackass. You can't be this stupid, is it all part of the I've never been on Horseplop before, just discovered it after 40 years in the business act? ngc3 Yep, the FBI exhibits all BS. Fords testimony directly from the NJRC all BS. Letter direct from Linda at Historic Track all BS. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 AND, you thought I was responding to you when it's clearly a response to Cashout. Moron.you’re missing the point. Why do you feel it’s necessary to take a picture of his address and post it here?
Oh look, maybe sue Google.
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Oops I doxxed Potus and The First Lady's address ngc3either your Mike or Mike’s lackey either way it’s hideous
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500
I'll see you in prison Mike, it's Meatloaf night. ;D
you’re missing the point. Why do you feel it’s necessary to take a picture of his address and post it here?
either your Mike or Mike’s lackey either way it’s hideous
Mike and Mike’s puppet you both are really going to feel stupid if they walk which they will incidentally
The amazing thing is that SCM was able to find himself a lackey , can you imagine what a loser in life Trigger must be.you read my mind I can’t imagine
Sakit and Cashout you're really going to bat for your buddy here.i’m beginning to think you are Mike
Mike and I are having a conversation.
You two numskulls are actual stooges, defenders of this sourpuss. On repeat the same boring shit over and over.
Let's see...
(A) dialogue with and be supportive of an animal advocate and animal advocacy, seeing harness racing being regulated, and lawfulness.
Or
(B) of a multimillionaire cheating horse drugging narcissistic cuntface?
"A" is my final answer! ;D
i’m beginning to think you are Mike
You have any idea how fucking stupid you and Cashout sound? You're both typing into an online forum anonymously and somehow worried that other's are this or that, have favorites, lackeys. Are you fucking serious? You say you know nothing about me, yet over 80% of your posts are about me. You'll disagree with anything I post just to disagree with me. Like a child. As for Cashout, their one statement about me was proven absolutely false, yet they still run with that. Know why? ANONYMOUS and has to disagree just to disagree with me. The common denominator is I'm actually me and you don't know how to handle that, it's pretty fucking pathetic. You're allegedly adults, you say you've been in the game over 40 years yet just discovered Horseplop, bullshit. You're what is called a "troll". And that's fine, but if you're really sitting there wondering if Trigger is me, or he's my lackey, or 2+2=5....you're fucking insane. ngc3
You have any idea how fucking stupid you and Cashout sound? You're both typing into an online forum anonymously and somehow worried that other's are this or that, have favorites, lackeys. Are you fucking serious? You say you know nothing about me, yet over 80% of your posts are about me. You'll disagree with anything I post just to disagree with me. Like a child. As for Cashout, their one statement about me was proven absolutely false, yet they still run with that. Know why? ANONYMOUS and has to disagree just to disagree with me. The common denominator is I'm actually me and you don't know how to handle that, it's pretty fucking pathetic. You're allegedly adults, you say you've been in the game over 40 years yet just discovered Horseplop, bullshit. You're what is called a "troll". And that's fine, but if you're really sitting there wondering if Trigger is me, or he's my lackey, or 2+2=5....you're fucking insane. ngc3Mike you started with me a month ago incidentally prior to this website I’ve never even heard of you. Mike, you cursed me and yelled claimed you knew who my partner was yet when I call you out to go silent. I was always very cordial to you prior to your rampage.
noBALLSakit was at the BigM on opening day in 76', saw Pelling tubing a horse in the 80's. The eunuch is old, late 60's early 70's what's the point, he's a washed up boring old creep holding on to a dying thing that takes illegal drugs, and cheating to claim victory typically.Mike’s lackey has spoken
He'll be in an urn soon, loved ones? ngc3 then likely flushed down a toilet at the racetrack. ;D
Mike’s lackey has spoken
Mike you started with me a month ago incidentally prior to this website I’ve never even heard of you. Mike, you cursed me and yelled claimed you knew who my partner was yet when I call you out to go silent. I was always very cordial to you prior to your rampage.
Really? Bullshit. I never once addressed you. You say you didn't know about me? Interesting, here's your first post about me, seems you did then. Selective memory? Now bullshit your way out of this. And feel free to post where I ever mention a partner of yours, dementia? tmbz1
So who's your partner?
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SCM and Trigger before this started during the process and after all is said and done , Howard can buy and sell you two clowns a thousand times over.
Mike----Are you familiar with one of Howard's friends and occasional partner whose first name is Abe?
And like I said what about the 150 other owners that have the same exact bills that you’re posting on here. Same deal nobody received any drugs nobody administered any drugs nobody even touched any drugs , is everybody supposed to lose their license because I don’t see anyone else being called in front of the commission.I couldn't agree more if that were to happen they wouldn't be able to fill a card
And like I said what about the 150 other owners that have the same exact bills that you’re posting on here. Same deal nobody received any drugs nobody administered any drugs nobody even touched any drugs , is everybody supposed to lose their license because I don’t see anyone else being called in front of the commission.
I couldn't agree more if that were to happen they wouldn't be able to fill a card
Trigger when are you going to release your next batch of losing bets , I need a good laugh
Your bankroll is on R+Rthe similarities between trigger and Mike are uncanny
the similarities between trigger and Mike are uncanny
I tend to agree with you
2 life losers! ngc3 ngc3
That is some gang - Cashout, Kenny, Sakit and Pacer 2 ngc3 and Foalin at 4 who has since hung himself after DJT stock has plummeted. ngc3I'm going to start hanging with Sakit, Kenny PAcer2 and Cashout and further plot my enemies inevitable demise.
The Unfuckables ngc3
I'm going to start hanging with Sakit, Kenny PAcer2 and Cashout and further plot my enemies inevitable demise.
I'm going to start hanging with Sakit, Kenny PAcer2 and Cashout and further plot my enemies inevitable demise.tmbz1
So when is this hearing over?what you read on here take with a grain of salt. Howard is just fine. Looks like he’s going to walk.
Did he get suspended, or was this upon license renewal like KY?
So when is this hearing over?
Did he get suspended, or was this upon license renewal like KY?
what you read on here take with a grain of salt. Howard is just fine. Looks like he’s going to walk.
what you read on here take with a grain of salt. Howard is just fine. Looks like he’s going to walk.
what you read on here take with a grain of salt. Howard is just fine. Looks like he’s going to walk.
no but you can take my word for it Howard and Ford will be just fine. Don't believe all the rhetoric between Howard and Ford you hear on here it's all nonsense.
Did they hire you as the Horseplop legal analyst?
Unless somebody knows some secret or something, Mark Ford doesn't have any problems. Remember, he's not being sued-----the SBOANJ Board and/or Officers are being sued. Haters hate. Nothing more.bingo somebody finally gets it. How foolish will they look when he walks away.
Just 8 monthd agoo, Ford's trainer got busted and suspended for 10 years. Horrible things were injecyed into his horses. I, for one, didnt forget that. Some real rotten, shady, horse abusing cheaters all over this forum and in the industry.Mike did you not comprehend what we have been saying?
Still not remedied...wishful thinking on your part Mike not going to happen
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/mark-ford-settlement-information-sheet
And this....
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wishful thinking on your part Mike not going to happen
Taylor has employed all the cheating trainers. He is opinionated. I don't think he's the type to pay large bills and not know what for. He probably feels like a scapegoat. Nothing happened to Faraldo (Banca) and Ford (Gillis). Two heads of horseman groups & part of the USTA. I hope they don't cave and Taylor is banded.1. His deceased wife handled the bills.
1. His deceased wife handled the bills.finally somebody gets it
2. He doesn't care if he's the listed owner... has 1/2 dozen handshake agreements ... does not care about money ..he'll still be in the pictures.
3. He can delay any crim action forever... no risk there...
He's got next to zero to worry bout.
jmmvhmfo
finally somebody gets itHoward's laughing all the way to the bank. ngc3 ngc3
1. His deceased wife handled the bills.
2. He doesn't care if he's the listed owner... has 1/2 dozen handshake agreements ... does not care about money ..he'll still be in the pictures.
3. He can delay any crim action forever... no risk there...
He's got next to zero to worry bout.
jmmvhmfo
Howard's laughing all the way to the bank. ngc3 ngc3yes!
But cried to a presiding judge who called me to defend him like that was gonna do something. ngc3all for nothing
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Look, I couldn't care less how successful someone is in or outside this business. I don't care who paid the bills, him, his wife, a bookkeeper, whatever. Call it what you want, causation, responsibility, accountability, I couldn't care less. You or someone under/within your purview ordered it. That's you. Your monies paid for it. That's you. I don't know if he received it, and I do think that's a very important issue-----and, no, if he didn't, that does not mean he's not culpable, because IMO he still is. You had awareness and knowledge. That's you. Your trainers got it, somehow, and used it. That's you as well.I don't think you'll ever see owner accountability.
I didn't see texts or recorded conversations like they had with Navarro and Servis, but in this case it's owner, not a trainer. Owner responsibility and accountability is long overdue. I've long had concerns about punishing owners because of the trainer they select, but this I have zero concerns with. I also think other names on those lists are not simply skating away from this. Maybe today. Not forever though.
I don't think you'll ever see owner accountability.
40 years ago there were four constituencies. Track/State/Horsemen/Bettors.
Now there are 2 ... Large Owners/Breeders and Casinos.
Nobody cares about owner accountability.
no but you can take my word for it Howard and Ford will be just fine. Don't believe all the rhetoric between Howard and Ford you hear on here it's all nonsense.
I get the whole Taylor situation. He got banned from Gural. He had a license denied upon renewal (KY). He had another denied or suspended (I don't know which, DE). Not sure, but I might have read something about Indiana, and Canada as well. Not sure about the USTA. Regardless, he's got conflicts, on multiple fronts. What the hell does this have to do with Mark Ford? He's not being investigated, charged, or anything of the like.
Harness racing is not fine.
Not going to be fine.
Honest people have made a lawful investment, owners, horsemen, gamblers etc.
All you people look at a teeny tiny picture and that picture is within a sub world of the old boys club, friends with benefits, organized crimes, corruption, animal abuse etc.
Regulatory, a joke.
Crime and punishment, foughetaboutit.
There is that side and the correct side, go choose, but if you're bad in harness racing, we want to fuck up that life and that business.
These assholes if they are involved with organized crime, the mob, they have problems, the days of John Gotti are over, you brag you, you start pointing the finger at selective persecution - DONE!
Flouting their arrogance, send people here to fuck around, go to the media and pull that shit, go to the commissions and pull that shit, they all have a code, some of us FAFO!
Fatso and Weirdo are far from fucking fine.
I haven't even started yet.
Antagonize me! ;D
All of this because a guy gets the boot from Goshen because he didn't like the track surface. But obviously there's more too that story.
But I don't understand why all of a sudden your in on the Ford crusade? What has Ford done to you? Or is it all part of the I have to he involved with everything I read that SCM types?
You obviously have no skin in the game. Because those are the ones who bark the most! If you did i guarantee you'd sing a lil different tune! So, what has Taylor or Ford done to you? It can't be all their fault when you lose your 20 cent tri box.
Harness racing is not fine.tldr
Not going to be fine.
Honest people have made a lawful investment, owners, horsemen, gamblers etc.
All you people look at a teeny tiny picture and that picture is within a sub world of the old boys club, friends with benefits, organized crimes, corruption, animal abuse etc.
Regulatory, a joke.
Crime and punishment, foughetaboutit.
There is that side and the correct side, go choose, but if you're bad in harness racing, we want to fuck up that life and that business.
These assholes if they are involved with organized crime, the mob, they have problems, the days of John Gotti are over, you brag you, you start pointing the finger at selective persecution - DONE!
Flouting their arrogance, send people here to fuck around, go to the media and pull that shit, go to the commissions and pull that shit, they all have a code, some of us FAFO!
Fatso and Weirdo are far from fucking fine.
I haven't even started yet.
Antagonize me! ;D
Well, good luck with all of that.thank you. I wasn't reading it anyway.
All of this because a guy gets the boot from Goshen because he didn't like the track surface. But obviously there's more too that story.Bravissimo... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
But I don't understand why all of a sudden your in on the Ford crusade? What has Ford done to you?
Are you pro or against corruption in harness racing?Anti. But my resources are FAR better served not going through a shithole town in upstate NY.
tldrthank you. I wasn't reading it anyway. Bravissimo... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3who does that?
Anti. But my resources are FAR better served not going through a shithole town in upstate NY.
Just My Most Very Humble MotherF Opinion .. jmmvhmfo
Any dollar sent in any direction for "Advocacy" is far better sent to New Vocations than a guy creeping around taking pictures of people and suffering animals.
You too must decide.
In any event, we all shitting in tall cotton.
Mike never made himself the center of this particular universe...you're definitely Mike if you're not you have a weird obsession for him. Sad
A lot of people did that, most of us.
He's very smart and courageous.
He's at a fraction of his potential, capitalized, it'll stretch the time too, he'll be a devastating one stop shopping wrecking ball.
It will happen if HE wants it to happen.
He also chills out and fucks around, self destructs, a lot lot lot less than most of too.
His personal life, his bucket list are his own.
He gives plop priority, makes us aware, he's being hurt, chased away, why, because we're too afraid of giving the same shit he gets to the wrong doers directly through formal confrontation, media and the regulatory that get paid top dollar to function in that regard?
That's foolish and cowardly.
you're definitely Mike if you're not you have a weird obsession for him. Sad
you're definitely Mike if you're not you have a weird obsession for him. SadMike is #1 All time Punching Bag.
Mike is #1 All time Punching Bag.never heard of this guy mike prior to this website anyway spoke to Howard this morning he could care less.
Takes blow after blow after blow.
Makes videos worshiping Calhoun.
Petrelli never learned the Italian golden rule DONT BE A RAT!! ngc3 ngc3
A RAT is an insider to a crime or criminals who beefs.
Everyone in the world knows that...otherwise investigators, media, police, victims, witnesses....woul d be rats and they are not.
Pacer 2, Kenny, Sakit and Cashout the Fab 4, and ZERO functioning brain cells. ngc3
When you find these people who have to cheat to make money, there usually isn't much intelligence there.especially those that have been unemployed most of their lives Mike
especially those that have been unemployed most of their lives Mike
Awwww, are your friends starting to pay the price for what they've done in the business fucking everyone? It's far from over, just stay in your wheelchair and watch the show. 11.wpwhat makes you think I’m in a wheelchair? You also said you know my partner is and yet to disclose it. We’re waiting.
what makes you think I’m in a wheelchair? You also said you know my partner is and yet to disclose it. We’re waiting.
what makes you think I’m in a wheelchair? You also said you know my partner is and yet to disclose it. We’re waiting.
I still don't see what Mark Ford has to do with any of this. This is a Howard Taylor issue. The only real, documented issue going on with Mark Ford right now is not a Mark Ford issue-----it's an SBOANJ issue. The SBOANJ Board, Officers, etc., of which Mark Ford is President, have been sued by a member of the SBOANJ. It's in the court system now. What else is there? I am not talking about some hollow, fabricated, or the like accusations from people on the internet. Forget about inferences, claims, and stories, or anything of the like. You don't even have to attach your name to it. Just show some legitimate, third party based, documented something.
As far as Taylor, some have said he'll be fine. Some have said otherwise. Nothing more than opinion, and mine is, he doesn't come out of this clean, unscathed, etc. I just don't see it. If it happens, I'll be wrong, but I also think it will have massive consequences.
A few posts up, he's making fun of "making light of those w/ mental & physical disabilities".
I'm just wondering what he has done to have those delusions of grandeur?
Mikey, can you tell us what you do for a livingthere’s no reason in today’s day and age that anybody shouldn’t be working
Also, how long has welfare paid for your room & board?
it’s a horrible person to make fun of those that are disabled or have disabilities
A few posts up, he's making fun of "making light of those w/ mental & physical disabilities".
I'm just wondering what he has done to have those delusions of grandeur?
it’s a horrible person to make fun of those that are disabled or have disabilities
it’s a horrible person to make fun of those that are disabled or have disabilities
there’s no reason in today’s day and age that anybody shouldn’t be working
You are the exception to the fool! ;D
Able bodied and collecting welfare, a lazy couch potato not working.
Sure! tmbz1
But you horseman and owners who rely on casino enforced money who cannot rely on simulcasting ngc3 mutual pools ngc3 because you fucked ALL that up royally ngc3, you're hypocrites on welfare when succeeding ngc3, and will ALL face a bad fate when the music stops!
Definitely! ngc3 tmbz1 ngc3
BUT THEY HELP STIMULATE THE ECONOMY!!!! THE SAME AS DRUG DEALERS AND CRACKHEADS!!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
What in the holy fuck should anyone care what anyone does for a living?
Are we adult truant officers, the fucking labor department?
Then remain completely in stealth of who they are and make statements about themselves that cannot be verified first hand?
This one way cowardice has to stop!
You know who was shoe-less and on welfare, Oprah, you know who grew up on Chicago's South Side in poverty, Larry Ellison...nuts this place.
ngc3
I'm a crackhead on rehab vacation! ngc3
Semi-permanent...I've packed my pipe and heading East...Hong Kong, 2026! ;D
Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it. And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation. Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things. And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time. Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.
They take 400 million in state welfare then say they injected 200 million into the local economy. Pay no attention to wagering being down another 111 million less than this time last year. Same as last year compared to the year before that. Nothing to see here, all is well. But they say I'M on welfare??? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3question are you on welfare?
Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it. And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation. Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things. And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time. Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try. tmbz1
Just to clarify...you are not ok with horsemen taking welfare, but ok with citizens living off of it. And this isn't about Mike, I don't know his financial situation. Just seems very contradictory to be ok with just one of those things. And for the record, I don't think either is ok for a prolonged period of time. Welfare was created to help people in need, not be a crutch to not try.
question are you on welfare?Who?
Unemployed Shit Shoveler =/= Horseman angbk angbk
Trigger, please tell Medicaid Mike please.
Its the old, where there's smoke there's usually fire. With Ford, it's two-fold: one, he gave horses to other trainers to train. On the surface you might give him a pass but if you dig deeper the guys he elected to use turned out to be some of the guys implicated in the Seth Fishman fiasco. At minimum that's a bad look, especially if you're the president of the Horsemen's Association. Others might take a more viscerable view and come to the conclusion that there was willfull intent to use those guys to win substantial purse money while technically avoiding any responsibility. Add to that the reputation of his training facility being the haven for dubious trainers that continually strike at a unfathomable win rate throughout New York, especially Yonkers and you can see why many are not fond of him. As for Howard, I think there exists a new sentiment that it's time to deal with this guy. And outside of cutting off CAW, this is the single biggest reason why so many owners have given up. For decades they race against guys like Taylor who only supports high percentage trainers and will move a horse in an instant.
This one here, big fatso friend!
O'Brien awards, ngc3 Moreau won 10 years in a row ngc3
Tracks are private business...they don't want you there and they're not violating your civil rights.
Fuck you!
The gamblers are tired of you, guess what?
Fuck you!
Honest horseman and owners are tired of you?
Fuck you!
There are 2 kinds of people, good and bad. It's that simple. I think the bad should drop dead!
How scared are the crooks? More "people" are against me here which you can count on one hand that have to hide then are out of the 5500 group members I have on Facebook. Rarely does anyone ever speak up against me, being themselves and all. ngc3
Most people who've done wrong have a chance in life to redeem themselves.
They find a way based on the proportionally of the wrong and crime.
When you're dying about to die, they can apologize.
Some contrition.
Three things I never got:
(1) Why not embrace the challenge of it being difficult and don't cheat and steal, a true earned accolade based on hard work and even fate.
(2) For those that have kids do you think you're independent of that once they've been released from your body, that those genes, the inherent subconscious guilt, the depression won't come out at some point - poisoning yourself and your lineage when you cheat and steal, intentionally hurt others, weakness.
(3) That they're so brazen, like those ridiculous true stories of drug dealers calling the cops when they got robbed...that you don't keep your head down, and even think about calling it a day.
Its the old, where there's smoke there's usually fire. With Ford, it's two-fold: one, he gave horses to other trainers to train. On the surface you might give him a pass but if you dig deeper the guys he elected to use turned out to be some of the guys implicated in the Seth Fishman fiasco. At minimum that's a bad look, especially if you're the president of the Horsemen's Association. Others might take a more viscerable view and come to the conclusion that there was willfull intent to use those guys to win substantial purse money while technically avoiding any responsibility. Add to that the reputation of his training facility being the haven for dubious trainers that continually strike at a unfathomable win rate throughout New York, especially Yonkers and you can see why many are not fond of him. As for Howard, I think there exists a new sentiment that it's time to deal with this guy. And outside of cutting off CAW, this is the single biggest reason why so many owners have given up. For decades they race against guys like Taylor who only supports high percentage trainers and will move a horse in an instant.
Its the old, where there's smoke there's usually fire. With Ford, it's two-fold: one, he gave horses to other trainers to train. On the surface you might give him a pass but if you dig deeper the guys he elected to use turned out to be some of the guys implicated in the Seth Fishman fiasco. At minimum that's a bad look, especially if you're the president of the Horsemen's Association. Others might take a more viscerable view and come to the conclusion that there was willfull intent to use those guys to win substantial purse money while technically avoiding any responsibility. Add to that the reputation of his training facility being the haven for dubious trainers that continually strike at a unfathomable win rate throughout New York, especially Yonkers and you can see why many are not fond of him. As for Howard, I think there exists a new sentiment that it's time to deal with this guy. And outside of cutting off CAW, this is the single biggest reason why so many owners have given up. For decades they race against guys like Taylor who only supports high percentage trainers and will move a horse in an instant.
BTW, as far as Taylor, while I agree with your outcome/resolution, my reasoning or my getting there may be different. Moot however. I saw a "big" name or two on those lists. People who I believe are legit, upstanding members of this industry. They bought stuff-----but not the illegal blood building whatever it was that was in question---that Taylor was buying. They bought other stuff. I don't know if it was liquid aspirin or something legal, or another illegal drug. If it wasn't the former I would have expected action to be taken-----investigation, charges, etc. Gural didn't do a thing about those names, and neither did any governing body or authority. I didn't see their licenses get suspended. I haven't seen those one or two names-----accused of anything, yet alone what Taylor has been accused of.
I still don't know if it's the case, but my question is, was Taylor buying monthly/regularly? It looks like it. More important, was he having it shipped to him, taking possession of the items in question, and distributing to his trainers? Even if he wasn't, I think there is still enough going on here that he has culpability.
That all makes sense to me. Where there's smoke there's fire, very true many times. Perhaps even most of the time. But here's the way I see this when you break it down. I am not saying I would give Ford a pass or not. However, here is what I am saying. One, as far as who he selected to give horses to train, specifically Jeff Gillis, I am not condeming Ford for that unless we start condeming all of Gillis' other owners. I don't see any governing body or authority taking action against Ford because he chose Gillis. As far as Gills, the guy won what, 5 or 6 O'Brien awards? For several years he was a top trainer. Many people sent him horses. Now he gets nailed for the Fishman aspect, and I am all for banning him. Good riddance.Gillis had fallen on hard times. He became a super trainer again in the US. Ford holding the positions he has should be held to higher standard. Ignorance or I didn't know is not an acceptable defense. Ford has been around long enough to know what is right, wrong, and when to ask questions.
Two, are people saying Ford was in on it? He knew and was involved in the purchase of illegal drugs? He had knowledge, involvment, whatever else? Great, prove it. I am not talking about what some arm-chair desparado says or claims on some internet forum. Prove it. Let's see who takes action. Let's wait for all the excuses when nothing ever happens to Ford on this. Now, should he be held to a higher standard as the President of the SBOANJ. Legally, no. However, personally, I would want to see a higher standard. The optics are bad, without question, but I am not going to ban a guy or ruin his life for optics. If every owner wants to leave him because of this, so be it. Ford will bear the consequences of his decisions and actions.
Three, as far the trainers who stable at his training center, I agree. I have a problem with that. Especially since he is the President. If you let criminals stable at your training center, even if you knew nothing, it still is reflective of your professional decisions and how you run your business. I don't know how many trainers he has there total, and how many got indicted, charged, etc. But more than one is a problem in my mind, and a pattern is even worse. I know people have shared this with him. If a governing body or authority wants to do something about it, I am all for it. But if it doesn't happen, I am not going to lower myself and buy into mud-slinging and BS claims made by people who IMO have an obvious conflict and vendetta against someone-----whether it's about this, or other issues. I have people here on ignore, so I don't even read their BS, yet alone participate in it. Thanks. I appreciate your comments and perspective.
Most likely the trainers ordered the products and had Fishman bill the owners. Happens with most veterinarians too.
I know that. Commonplace. I just don't know what occurred here. I know with the one or two big names, they paid a bill. They never received product.
why is Per, Jared, DeVita and a few others 6-8K a month and the others, whom by the way have a UTDR of .250-.280 3-4K? IF you are that naive then I think it best to flip over to another thread. Nothing new here to report in 2025, back in the day it was cliffy Sielgel paying for the hydro with the exact same profile as Prevost and company. Good honest horsemen are always put in an tough spot always hoping the commissions will catch the thieves. I have no time for people that have been around for more than a minute to not call it for what it is. Doesn't even matter come to think of it, the business is done with serious contraction taking place for the better part of a decade. Nobody can unite and get anything done and racing will continue to trip over itself. Wish I had a better take but I've been around a long time, from grooming to training to owning---there is no hope.
I know that. Commonplace. I just don't know what occurred here. I know with the one or two big names, they paid a bill. They never received product.this is why Howard and Mark Ford will walk. If they don't take Howard's entries in Delaware they'll take them in New York no big deal
Fat fucks should focus on their health, and wealthy successful lawyers should focus on that and preserving their legacy.I can’t figure out if your Mike or Mike’s lackey
Then again you have one idiot whose subconscious is eating away like a prized fucking whale.
The other, has mental illness.
(Maybe both with the latter ngc3)
I can’t figure out if your Mike or Mike’s lackey
I'm fine with that tmbz1I don’t blame you ngc3
Compared to anyone here too but...
If I was accused of being you or your lackey...
I'd be devastated! ngc3