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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: littlebitbrown on November 03, 2025, 06:08:47 PM
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I am not great at math but looks like determination spent some money opening day. Who is Torgier Haggman?
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Lets see how far they have to dig to find anything positive about todays showing. .. errrr sale…. Burke buying first day yearlings for $12, $20 and $25,000. One at $250 another @ $140. A few of the big spenders still banging away. But looked quiet to me.
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I am not great at math but looks like determination spent some money opening day. Who is Torgier Haggman?
Tor Hagmann is a bloodstock agent. Does a lot of work for Kjell Andersen, who he bought this filly for.
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I'll be there Saturday with some of my homies.
Wagner, Millman, Wisher, Braden. Horsey (needs some new whips). Taylor said he needs some partners so we're all going! Look us up
Morgan will be out in the parking lot doing pre sale injections and nerve blocking on those lame last minute consignments.
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I don't think they can dig that deep, LOL.
They can fluff up the #'s and portray them positively, but I don't think the results were good. The best of the best sold the best. Always does. That's the highest end of the market and they will distort the rest of the market and the rest of the #'s. Below that, and most of all, the pig in the python is just not there. There is no more mid-level market.
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Just checked.....today's total had 170 go through the ring, for an average of $95,841.
Last year, opening day had 150 go through the ring, for an average of $110,387.
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Stop the complaining already! Every year these breeders think the prices can keep going up astronomically for yearlings that are overpriced to begin with. 50% don't even make it to the races and once the huge priced ones bomb you never hear any apologies to the buyers because it is all luck for the most part on which ones turn out OK. They should be happy they did over $16 million again.
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Great sale I will be heading there Friday
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Tor Hagmann is a bloodstock agent. Does a lot of work for Kjell Andersen, who he bought this filly for.
Who will be trainer
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why pay $300k or more for one when you can get almost the same pedigree and conformation for $75k
you have a better chance buying 2 or 3 for $75 k than one show stopper
you can look at the pedigree and the horse but you cant measure their willingness to race and win
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What's Andrew Harris ROI over the last 3 years ?
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ROI on yearling purchases is abysmal. Sooner or later they will pull the plug on this fiasco.
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Great sale I will be heading there Friday
Just you or is your partner coming ?
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All you jerks do is complain about every thing and every one and your all no bodies,
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All you jerks do is complain about every thing and every one and your all no bodies,
we all cant be someone like you, you need your garbage picked too, probably by a no body
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The Stable get a Walner colt out of Hannelore Hanover for 27000. How many legs did it have.
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The Stable get a Walner colt out of Hannelore Hanover for 27000. How many legs did it have.
Knowing that moron, he probably thought it was a filly. Or maybe it was his wife's top pick. Or it fit a bucket perfectly. He is without question the most obnoxious guy in the game.
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Pelling is buying quite a few. Many of them are $50k and below
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Trunk doctor will be there selling the new improved BB3! IF you thought that BB3 was some good shit wait till you get some BB4! Come early as supply is limited!
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Just you or is your partner coming ?
Yes 73cv.2
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Knowing that moron, he probably thought it was a filly. Or maybe it was his wife's top pick. Or it fit a bucket perfectly. He is without question the most obnoxious guy in the game.
After I saw the price and then saw Anthony bought it I couldn’t help myself I had to watch the video. Same ol shi$, it’s really mind boggling that he thinks he got a steal, it didn’t have to look great for Burke to throw $30k and take a shot but he didn’t so there is. I way I would be rooting my horn like he does. In fact if I liked the colt and the bud was stalling at $25k I’d quit bidding. You are correct he is as obnoxious as they come, but how stupid are these people that keep believing this crap. Keep Sri king the kool aid.
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Anything below the very top tier is weak. What used to be the middle market is very weak. There is a lot of value in the 25k to 50k market, even up to say 75k. A lot of horses selling for 100k now used to sell for 150k, even more. There are some smart buyers out there. Some of the commercial breeders are getting stung a bit. You simply can't sell a yearling for $25k and make money.
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Anything below the very top tier is weak. What used to be the middle market is very weak. There is a lot of value in the 25k to 50k market, even up to say 75k. A lot of horses selling for 100k now used to sell for 150k, even more. There are some smart buyers out there. Some of the commercial breeders are getting stung a bit. You simply can't sell a yearling for $25k and make money.
what a blood bath, indicative of how weak the game really is. Owners simply getting destroyed for too long and eventually say enough is enough.
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the big owners with money only want the best and will pay for it , even if that does not lead to success on the track or financially, they are not in it to do "okay", they want champions, so they avoid most of the ones that are going for under $100k which creates a vacum and those horses sell for $50 k which is a decent deal for the buyers
as for the stable and Hannelore hanover foal( and others) ,he buys the ones that his pigeons will recognize and buy up and pay the training bill and if amac gets lucky than so be it, if not than move on
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harness racing is thriving though.
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They'll paint a pretty picture on today's results, something like it was up over last year, but today's numbers were again not good. Today's average was under $17k. The average only tells you so much, and while it's more accurate on a day like today as opposed to day one, if you really want to see raw #'s, look at the median, and also take out the top few sellers (which distort the #'s). No breeder is making money selling $17k yearlings.
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The yearling portion of the Standardbred Horse Sale overall for its three days saw 864 yearlings pass through the auction ring for a total of $36.03 million, an average of $41,701. Last year, the sale totaled almost $37.1 million, an average of $42,830. Compared to 2024, this year was down 2.86 percent in gross and 2.63 percent in average, but the average rebounded significantly after being down nearly 13.2 percent after the opening session on Monday. The third session this year totaled $5.43 million for 323 yearlings, an average of $16,830. Last year’s third session totaled $5.56 million for 337 yearlings, an average of $16,499.
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Some BIG trainers were very quiet. Nancy buys 2. How about Alagna. Didn’t show up until last day ?.
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If you're in the game, you understand how bad the game is outside of kentucky and NY. Welk and Reid can spin it anyway they'd like but it was a blood bath for any breeder not named Hunterton. Canadians cannot afford to go north of 30-40K with the exchange rate, shipping, taxes and many owners are simply calling it quits around these parts where I live in Penn. The cost of keeping a horse has simply made horse ownership too expensive. And it's not even fun attending the races anymore as nobody is there and the on track ambience doesn't exist.
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even hunterton struggled, save for the one that sold for $500k
the number of horses overall that sold for under $10k was shocking
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Marvin Katz just went on a spending spree.
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Some are buybacks/buyouts from the dispersal.
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Some are buybacks/buyouts from the dispersal.
All. Inflating their value.
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Marvin Katz just went on a spending spree.
I believe buying out his longtime partner.
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I believe buying out his longtime partner.
Yes. They are both continuing in the sport, just going their own way. They both bid on various horses, to the point they each wanted to.
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The massive day pushed the overall Black Book Sale gross to $58,267,000, up nearly 10 per cent year-over-year, from 1,334 for an average of $43,678!
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The massive day pushed the overall Black Book Sale gross to $58,267,000, up nearly 10 per cent year-over-year, from 1,334 for an average of $43,678!
Thriving! tmbz1 tmbz1
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pay no attention to the numbers
grossly inflated by the libfeld katz sort of kind of dispersal/divorce
yes there was some other very nice mares etc being sold in dispersals but three horses each going for more than $1m...please
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Did the Fashion Farms dispersal sale take place there?
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When does fallout sell
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When does fallout sell
Just sold to Burke for $500k…. The outcome will be intersting
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This might be the end of Tony if this horse wins HOY in '26 which many at the sale were predicting.
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Just sold to Burke for $500k…. The outcome will be intersting
Interesting. Horse raced on Tuesday in KY $100k which Burke won with Arturovico (whom he had bought earlier in the year). Timmy T has driven Fallout all year, and has picked up a lot of drives from Burke; wonder if Timmy gave Burke a "push" on the horse (perhaps feeling certain changes could step him up??)
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Overall, the two-day mixed sale totaled nearly $38.6 million, a record for the event, for 699 horses and stallion shares. The previous high, $31.6 million for 597 horses and stallion shares, was established last year. This year’s mixed sale average of $55,156 also was a record, bettering the $52,945 average established last year......overall the 5 days brought in substantial dough this year!
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Did the Fashion Farms dispersal sale take place there?
Yes, and his broodmares sold well. Being that Jules was not a commercial breeder, and bred to race, the families from his mares were not in the marketplace so to speak. So this is like the first opportunity that breeders had a chance to get not just his mares, but some of the families and pedigrees that he kept and raced for many years.
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Today's sale is where the #'s mean nothing. Forget about averages, medians, etc. The #'s are so distorted that they tell nothing about the marketplace. Broodmares and fillies-----the right ones-----sold very well. The garbage sold for garbage. As far as the racehorses, it's the very same market it's always been. The right product, quality product, for the most part, sells for a premium. At least IMO, LOL. There's always going to be a buy or two, something that might slip through the cracks, and so on. But for the most good horses sold for good prices, very good prices. Strong. Sellers market. More buyers, less buyers, doesn't matter, there's always buyers, and they pay. The racehorses that I had on my maybe list, all sold for strong money. I couldn't get a sniff of any of the fillies or mares, LOL.