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Title: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: mwins on November 02, 2025, 11:01:52 AM
....about a week too late.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Lance on November 02, 2025, 05:11:29 PM
You're probably right, but what a great career. She went so big miles through her career......was very entertaining.  You obviously never know but should make a good broodmare.    I wonder who she'll go to....Cattlewash??
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Ramone on November 02, 2025, 05:45:24 PM
I wonder who she'll go to....Cattlewash??

It's likely to be an Ontario stallion because the border might get tighter before it gets looser. Cattlewash if they stay home. Sweet Lou if they go afield.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Brown jug on November 02, 2025, 05:52:19 PM
always interested to see how these mares that were raced hard do as broodmares
she is from a very good maternal family and a half sister to western fame
her half sister amerway has been an excellent producer
we shall see 
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Mazola on November 02, 2025, 06:03:34 PM
Great career tmbz1 Hope she has lots of good looking babies.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Stan durbread on November 02, 2025, 06:07:07 PM
A very good horseman told me years ago. Beware of those mares that race like geldings. Buy one out of a sister instead. That theory works more often than not.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: hammer0419 on November 02, 2025, 07:35:50 PM
Why not Bull Dog? Stan that theory is pretty accurate. Daughters of top mares their foals usually pan out. 
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on November 02, 2025, 07:38:30 PM
Was very hard on herself with the way she chose to race.  Those kind of miles add up. 

Aged pacing made division is poo
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Stan durbread on November 02, 2025, 07:50:58 PM
Article doesn’t say if she was sold or if they are keeping her. For the most part Steacy tends to sale and not breed. If sold I would expect to see her go too an American stallion in PA. For duel eligibility maybe Ohio but even with the inflated prices their this year Ohio is still a little behind others
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 02, 2025, 08:15:09 PM
Tony Infilise has been in the game for a long time. He's had more success recently and he's playing the game at a higher level now than before. If the # is right, he'll sell, but it will have to be a big # or else he has no problem keeping her. He'd prefer to. After the stallion question comes the question of-----does her sell the foal or not, LOL. He'll talk to his advisors and go from there. The plan was to send her to Kentuckiana Farms.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 02, 2025, 09:40:20 PM
"While most findings were positive, an injury to her collateral ligament was discovered, requiring approximately four months of rest. Although her prognosis for a racing return was favorable, we have chosen to retire her now
and look forward with great excitement to cheering on her future foals."

Listening carefully to y'all and respecting your expertise, and reading between the lines here, and the word "now" was not necessary, I think a tell, yeh, she is going to un-retire.

I think they're testing the market, if she's sold, can't she still race for the new owner if she's sound? 

What kind of odds should I get on that prediction, when un-retiring would be accurate?
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Parked on November 02, 2025, 10:27:14 PM
A very good horseman told me years ago. Beware of those mares that race like geldings. Buy one out of a sister instead. That theory works more often than not.

Agree… if and when she has a full sister she will be better than the great race mare.  But, her first couple foals will be hyped and sell well.. 
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Swandre on November 02, 2025, 11:03:19 PM
always interested to see how these mares that were raced hard do as broodmares
she is from a very good maternal family and a half sister to western fame
her half sister amerway has been an excellent producer
we shall see

she only had 53 lifetime starts
I don’t think she was over raced personally
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Sakit on November 03, 2025, 10:38:04 AM
She deserves the best
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 03, 2025, 10:57:38 AM
She deserves the best

 ngc3

Insightful  ngc3

More like shallow and dishonest, considering you're on the attack of an animal advocate herein that actually knows and does what's best for all horses, including the retired.

Can you try harder to not be a contradicting idiot?  ;D
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Any1Left on November 03, 2025, 11:22:04 AM
she only had 53 lifetime starts
I don’t think she was over raced personally
Did you watch any of those 53 starts almost all with brutal trips,     This horse was way over raced
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Swandre on November 03, 2025, 03:15:53 PM
I did. I predict it will have zero to little impact on her broodmare career
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: SDST2009 on November 03, 2025, 07:56:58 PM
I don't consider Sylvia overraced, because she wouldn't allow it. That mare is too smart for her own good and acted like one who could smell blood in the water, so to speak, and never saw a horse that expended less unnecessary energy.

She only did enough to win and IMO if she didn't think she could, she didn't really try. At least that's the impression she left me with.

Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 03, 2025, 08:03:12 PM
I don't consider Sylvia overraced, because she wouldn't allow it. That mare is too smart for her own good and acted like one who could smell blood in the water, so to speak, and never saw a horse that expended less unnecessary energy.

She only did enough to win and IMO if she didn't think she could, she didn't really try. At least that's the impression she left me with.

 ngc3

Funny you should say  ngc3... Sylvia Hanover tutored my neighbor's daughter with her calculus homework... ngc3
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Stan durbread on November 03, 2025, 08:59:39 PM
I don't consider Sylvia overraced, because she wouldn't allow it. That mare is too smart for her own good and acted like one who could smell blood in the water, so to speak, and never saw a horse that expended less unnecessary energy.

She only did enough to win and IMO if she didn't think she could, she didn't really try. At least that's the impression she left me with.

Good observation
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Stan durbread on November 03, 2025, 09:01:48 PM
"While most findings were positive, an injury to her collateral ligament was discovered, requiring approximately four months of rest. Although her prognosis for a racing return was favorable, we have chosen to retire her now
and look forward with great excitement to cheering on her future foals."

Listening carefully to y'all and respecting your expertise, and reading between the lines here, and the word "now" was not necessary, I think a tell, yeh, she is going to un-retire.

I think they're testing the market, if she's sold, can't she still race for the new owner if she's sound? 

What kind of odds should I get on that prediction, when un-retiring would be accurate?

30/1 she never races again. You pick the price and I’ll print the ticket
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: SDST2009 on November 03, 2025, 09:03:40 PM
30/1 she never races again. You pick the price and I’ll print the ticket

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 03, 2025, 09:05:25 PM
30/1 she never races again. You pick the price and I’ll print the ticket

First things first...

What's the time frame she has to unretire?

Do you want to go cash, I'll go a C, or could go non cash and something like if I win I have to change my screen name to SylviaPlop for a week, you for 30 weeks?
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on November 03, 2025, 10:36:11 PM
Tony said what he said just in case, so that if someone comes along and wants to offer him enough to make him sell-----he's thrown it out there that she can come back and the new buyer doesn't have to retire her, and can put her back into training. Why wouldn't he say that, LOL.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 03, 2025, 10:41:05 PM
Tony said what he said just in case, so that if someone comes along and wants to offer him enough to make him sell-----he's thrown it out there that she can come back and the new buyer doesn't have to retire her, and can put her back into training. Why wouldn't he say that, LOL.

I'm getting 30-1 and happy as a clam though Stan has left the building before finalizing the terms.
Title: Re: Sylvia Hanover retired
Post by: Trigger on November 03, 2025, 10:48:13 PM
She retires in 6 months from the bet date I win, 6 months and 1 day from the bet date he wins.

How's that Stan, are you ready to set that date, are you good with my $100 against your $3000?

Who is escrowing the wager?

Or do you want to do that non cash thing?

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