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Title: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: hammer0419 on October 25, 2025, 07:31:31 PM
Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 07:39:03 PM
Anyone know why?


Scratched: VET - LAME
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Tim Hortons on October 25, 2025, 08:00:01 PM
She was scratched because she was very off due to a hot nail after she had a shoe re set yesterday.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 08:05:56 PM
She was scratched because she was very off due to a hot nail after she had a shoe re set yesterday.


Meaning it could of happened earlier like before the 1st race closed, was the timing of the scratch legit?
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: LUCPARK on October 25, 2025, 08:11:18 PM
Front right foot

 Interview with trainer on fox sports channel telecast
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Pacer 2 on October 25, 2025, 08:17:16 PM

Meaning it could of happened earlier like before the 1st race closed, was the timing of the scratch legit?

  No. The fix was in!   ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Atthewire on October 25, 2025, 08:28:57 PM
Fucking the betting public over and over and over again.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 08:36:52 PM
  No. The fix was in!   ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

He (Tim Hortons) knew the specifics beyond the one word reason (Lame) the track gave for the scratch, thought he knew the timing as well.

Long vacation from this after the t-bred BC next Fri and Sat, then Hong Kong next year.   

 96z.p you NA racing!



Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: dabucs99 on October 25, 2025, 08:45:27 PM
AMEN
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: PineHurstPacer on October 25, 2025, 08:58:21 PM
who puts new shoes on the day before the race?
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Pacer 2 on October 25, 2025, 09:04:35 PM
Fucking the betting public over and over and over again.

   How did anyone fuck the betting public??    Please enlighten us. Who fucked who? ngc3
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Pacer 2 on October 25, 2025, 09:09:22 PM
who puts new shoes on the day before the race?
  Thoroughbreds often get shod the day of the race its considered a legal prerace. Dont know why harness would be different...
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on October 25, 2025, 09:44:54 PM
who puts new shoes on the day before the race?
It's OK if you are just replacing or changing shoes but trimming the day before is plain stupid. It usually takes at least 72 hours for the minor discomfort from the trim to subside. Compare it to when you cut your fingernail a little too short.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Ramone on October 25, 2025, 09:56:08 PM
who puts new shoes on the day before the race?

Me .. without hesitation if there any legitimate reason for doing so.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: hammer0419 on October 25, 2025, 10:08:01 PM
Shoe reset is a lot different from getting shod. Sounds like she pulled  a shoe.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: LUCPARK on October 25, 2025, 10:11:39 PM
Fucking the betting public over and over and over again.


How x plane
  Wood u wAnt her raced at 1/9 and find after race horse was not right and trainer knew it


Stop.  Jerkoff

U didn’t bet a 1/9

Boo boo hoo hoo
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 25, 2025, 10:47:54 PM
If the horse was as lame as they say, just a total fuck job to all gamblers. Disgraceful
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: MTP1972 on October 25, 2025, 11:06:49 PM
How are the gamblers getting screwed by him scratching a lame horse, it's actually the opposite.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 11:12:09 PM
How are the gamblers getting screwed by him scratching a lame horse, it's actually the opposite.

That she scratched after the p5 started is most the gripe.

Getting saddled with Sylvia.

I'm cold as ice, my time has way passed since Meshuggah  ngc3
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 25, 2025, 11:18:21 PM
How are the gamblers getting screwed by him scratching a lame horse, it's actually the opposite.

Because nobody would have ever singled Sylvia Hanover. The horse you were forced to substitute.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: MTP1972 on October 25, 2025, 11:19:04 PM
I didn't realize the Pick 5 had already started, I thought the scratch was announced way before the 1st race went off.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 25, 2025, 11:24:07 PM
I didn't realize the Pick 5 had already started, I thought the scratch was announced way before the 1st race went off.

If the horse got hurt in her warmup after race 1, fine. No problem. That's the rules.

However. That was not the case here. They knew the horse was lame yesterday and waited until warmup #2 to scratch, after the pick 5 started. Then obnoxious behavior on Twitter followed from the track employees who simply cant help themselves with their blatant disgust for gamblers.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 11:25:22 PM
I didn't realize the Pick 5 had already started, I thought the scratch was announced way before the 1st race went off.

Was a fucking nightmare, TBJF out, Sylvia's been rotten on ice, I thought she'd be good, wrong, but to get post time favorite, Naughty destroyed them, again.  Was like watching yourself die in slow motion  ngc3
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: oldjohn123 on October 25, 2025, 11:26:54 PM
Fucking the betting public over and over and over again.
Tell me how? The owner is the one who lost out.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 11:28:59 PM
If the horse got hurt in her warmup after race 1, fine. No problem. That's the rules.

However. That was not the case here. They knew the horse was lame yesterday and waited until warmup #2 to scratch, after the pick 5 started. Then obnoxious behavior on Twitter followed from the track employees who simply cant help themselves with their blatant disgust for gamblers.

 tmbz1

There you fucking go, these greedy pricks better save their money because when they're cleaning toilets telling stories of robbing in the good ole' days...

I'll be doing Hong Kong!  ;D
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: MTP1972 on October 25, 2025, 11:32:50 PM
They only race twice a week, is that enough action for you?
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 25, 2025, 11:48:26 PM
They only race twice a week, is that enough action for you?

8 times a month I think.

I'm not an action guy, I like MSW, stakes, but none of this shit works.

I'd rather study a race for 2-3 hours, take 2-3 days to study a card.

Are you kidding me, I can't do this.  I tried 1 race a day, 20 races a day. 

Drugs, cheating...I'm not an action guy, I like challenges, this is not a challenge here, it's corruption and I have the solution.

I'll bet Hambo day, million dollar stakes nights, Triple Crown Races, Breeders Cup, Dubai, KSA, Europe....but 95% interest in Hong Kong, might dabble in Japan.

After next week's T-bred BC I'm done for the year, I'm betting nada other than my 1 pb and mega mil qp per draw  ngc3, just familiarize myself with Hong Kong racing - student only
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Kenny on October 26, 2025, 08:39:41 AM
This thread reveals the LOSERS on this forum.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1aaY8LvFQ5/
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 09:22:17 AM
This thread reveals the LOSERS on this forum.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1aaY8LvFQ5/

Zero regard for the gamblers. Just get shit on over and over. Pushing the envelope with a lame horse and destroying wagers is great for everyone!!
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Birdfantammy on October 26, 2025, 10:31:29 AM
Just gave me one more reason why NOT to ever play this track again! Shit stain corrupt dump.  Horse was not scratched at start of race 2.  Was still taking money!  Was finally scractched after race 2 ran I believe.  That my friends is fucked up.  They knew the horse was lame FRIDAY!   

People need to stop playing this track PERMANENTLY
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Ramone on October 26, 2025, 10:38:17 AM
This thread reveals the LOSERS on this forum.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1aaY8LvFQ5/

A very very difficult interview for Ryder. My hats off to him. A real horseman through and through.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: jupiter on October 26, 2025, 11:51:23 AM
Why in the hell want to scratch early, i'm sure he was sick about it. I know Chris well enough, he was thinking about the horse, and the purse he had to leave on the table. Not the pick 5
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 12:14:40 PM
Why in the hell want to scratch early, i'm sure he was sick about it. I know Chris well enough, he was thinking about the horse, and the purse he had to leave on the table. Not the pick 5

The gamblers dont care about how big the purse is and they shouldn't. That race isn't a major stakes race and the horse is scratched before the pick 5 starts. Someone's job has to be to protect the gamblers. Not saying that job is riders, it isn't. But someone somewhere there has to consider that this is a public gambling game
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 26, 2025, 12:16:43 PM
This thread reveals the LOSERS on this forum.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1aaY8LvFQ5/

Did you really do 9 successful Blumpkins at the ManHole toilet yesterday Kenny?

Business slow, yet you just keep moving everything along there, WOW!

Be as angry as you want today, I get it!

YOU the MAN...WHORE!  ;D

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Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Trigger on October 26, 2025, 12:20:56 PM
The gamblers dont care about how big the purse is and they shouldn't. That race isn't a major stakes race and the horse is scratched before the pick 5 starts. Someone's job has to be to protect the gamblers. Not saying that job is riders, it isn't. But someone somewhere there has to consider that this is a public gambling game

 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

That Gambler Help Line, rings in another galaxy, and they're in a meeting too, forever!  ngc3
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 12:38:18 PM
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

That Gambler Help Line, rings in another galaxy, and they're in a meeting too, forever!  ngc3

Even worse than not protecting us, they outwardly hate us. Pretty easy to say the situation sucked. We realize that and provide an explanantion. Some sort of acknowledgement. Instead, they paint us as animal haters who want lame horses on the track. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Ramone on October 26, 2025, 12:49:12 PM
Someone's job has to be to protect the gamblers.

Get over yourself. A basic premise of any contest is, if someone loses, someone wins. Why is it we only hear from the losers?

Ryder and company lost $274,000.00 Cdn. You can assume that the scratch decision and timing was painful. But whine free.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Bitter Truth on October 26, 2025, 12:55:55 PM
Stupid thread. I bet the pic5 . Had my numbers ready to put in and 'THEN' realized the horse was scratched.
It was announced a reasonable time BEFORE the 1st race. Like LUC said. Quit whining because they took your single away.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 12:59:58 PM
Stupid thread. I bet the pic5 . Had my numbers ready to put in and 'THEN' realized the horse was scratched.
It was announced a reasonable time BEFORE the 1st race. Like LUC said. Quit whining because they took your single away.

A popular opinion. That is wrong.
The whining is not because the single went away.
I bet the p5 with the countdown clocl on the screem. 0 mtp on the screen .That is reasonable to you?
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 01:03:42 PM
Get over yourself. A basic premise of any contest is, if someone loses, someone wins. Why is it we only hear from the losers?

Ryder and company lost $274,000.00 Cdn. You can assume that the scratch decision and timing was painful. But whine free.

Your basic premise is why the entire industry is a non debatable failure. No consideratiom for what's fair for the customer. Just deal with it!
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Bitter Truth on October 26, 2025, 01:38:53 PM
Explain what is UNFAIR. The horse was scratched WELL ahead of the start of the sequence.
The only reason it was mentioned is that it was such a high profile horse and race.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: dabucs99 on October 26, 2025, 01:49:32 PM
they were still taking wagers with no time left to  post of the first .they took pic 5 wagers right up to post time.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 01:51:47 PM
Explain what is UNFAIR. The horse was scratched WELL ahead of the start of the sequence.
The only reason it was mentioned is that it was such a high profile horse and race.

How mucj more clear can I be? I placed wagers using TBJF with the countdown clock ticking. Less than 3 mtp. Around a minute left when I finished sending in bets.
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 01:52:57 PM
they were still taking wagers with no time left to  post of the first .they took pic 5 wagers right up to post time.

 this is 100% fact
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on October 26, 2025, 02:57:00 PM
Two separate and distinct issues. Chris is an excellent horseman. He's a professional. He was thinking about the horse and only the horse. Period. Whatever the track (management) tried to do, did, whenever they did it, that is on them. If you got impacted because of the scratch, that's who you are mad at, the track (management).
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 07:37:27 PM
Otten Rallis and Prewitt as usual obnoxiously responding to gamblers on Twitter. Telling them the track is at no fault for this whatsoever.

They just despise gamblers. The hate breeds from every aspect of the industry
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: Laag on October 26, 2025, 07:39:54 PM
some of you are insane here....too bad things happen like that

apparently this issue wasnt discovered to late in the day. This is one of the greatest female pacers of all time. She is special in a world of her own on that track. Kudos to Chris Ryder who had the horses best interests at heart. You morons would rather see a breakdown or a lame horse because you got fucked and stuck with that rat Sylvia.

there was no fix..shit happens, the horse comes first
Title: Re: Why was TWIN BE FRESH scratched?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on October 26, 2025, 07:45:26 PM
some of you are insane here....too bad things happen like that

apparently this issue wasnt discovered to late in the day. This is one of the greatest female pacers of all time. She is special in a world of her own on that track. Kudos to Chris Ryder who had the horses best interests at heart. You morons would rather see a breakdown or a lame horse because you got fucked and stuck with that rat Sylvia.

there was no fix..shit happens, the horse comes first

It was discovered before race 1. That's all that matters. Let's not get confused here. Nobody wants the horse raced lame. All anyone wants is the horse scratched as appropriate before race 1. Instead of pushing the envelope with a lame horse and waiting to scratch after the pick 5 started. Is this really not clear to you?
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