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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PineHurstPacer on September 17, 2025, 05:46:16 PM
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makes break, comes down trotting, but flips to the pace through the wire
judges leave him up
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He was 2/5
They didn't want to upset and/or confuse the crowd
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The rules state that you must lose ground while on a break. This horse lost no ground while pacing. Easy DQ
But the judges do not know the rules or how to enforce them. They stated that he got back trotting before the finish. That is irrelevant if he did not lose ground while on the pace
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charted line does not show offstride at the wire
Judges beyond incompetent
They should be replaced for tomorrow's card
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I’m sure someone got screwed that had a nice ticket with him not on top. But usta shows a break on the chart at end of the stretch and I think the horse was actually pacing through the wire.
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Just noticed the connections, how chummy are the judges with shady Joe? Could it have been a favor to him to keep the horse up? Needs to be investigated! tmbz1
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so wrong and so bad
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Just noticed the connections, how chummy are the judges with shady Joe? Could it have been a favor to him to keep the horse up? Needs to be investigated! tmbz1
Purse will get redistributed. Any unbiased person with any familiarity with the rules knows that is a clear DQ. No question. But gamblers will get screwed. Again.
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Purse will get redistributed. Any unbiased person with any familiarity with the rules knows that is a clear DQ. No question. But gamblers will get screwed. Again.
Have to disagree with you here. No chance that purse is getting redistributed if nothing was done before the race was declared official. Needs to be some job opening for judges after those clowns get canned.
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Have to disagree with you here. No chance that purse is getting redistributed if nothing was done before the race was declared official. Needs to be some job opening for judges after those clowns get canned.
Maybe you are right. I sincerely hope not. You cant just disregard the rules cause of personal or professional relationships with the connections. That's bat shit crazy. There is public wagering dollars involved
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It happened right in front of me.. the only thing I disagree with is the horse did lose ground while breaking.. at least 5 lengths.He did get steppy right at the wire
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There was a horse a year or two ago there that did get dq'd for pacing in a trotting race..
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It happened right in front of me.. the only thing I disagree with is the horse did lose ground while breaking.. at least 5 lengths.He did get steppy right at the wire
You are referring to the first break, correct? The Gallup mid stretch. For sure he lost ground. No doubt.
The issue is when he turned to the pace. You saw him losr ground while on the pace? On tv, there is absolutely no way it looked like that horse lost an inch of ground while on the pace.
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You are referring to the first break, correct? The Gallup mid stretch. For sure he lost ground. No doubt.
The issue is when he turned to the pace. You saw him losr ground while on the pace? On tv, there is absolutely no way it looked like that horse lost an inch of ground while on the pace.
Correct.. definitely lost ground on the first break.Once he got back on stride .. he did not lose any ground. It was weird. I've only seen it a few times and I've watched thousands of races. Definitely switched from trot to pace and very steppy right at the wire and almost went of stride again. I had no money on the race. JMHO
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But like I mentioned a few posts ago, a horse either last year or the year before got dq'd there for the exact same thing...but that horse a year or two ago clearly paced multiple strides before the wire. Very blatant. This one was just strange.
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Correct.. definitely lost ground on the first break.Once he got back on stride .. he did not lose any ground. It was weird. I've only seen it a few times and I've watched thousands of races. Definitely switched from trot to pace and very steppy right at the wire and almost went of stride again. I had no money on the race. JMHO
Here's the issue
When a trotter switches to the pace, it is considered breaking stride according to the rules. The horse must lose ground while on the place or he is DQ'd.
Leaving that horse was totally and completely wrong. There must be consequences
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The moment a trotter takes one pacing stride during a race is an automatic DQ.
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The moment a trotter takes one pacing stride during a race is an automatic DQ.
so let me get this straight.....
if a trotter makes ONE pacing stride it is an automatic DQ--then all trotters who break stride(albeit pacing or not--despite losing ground or not) then that should be an automatic DQ-----but it isnt
we have all seen trotters break stride, not lose ground, then get back on stride and recover to win without any DQ
we have all seen trotters gallop through the wire-not lose any ground-and if not lapped on... that is NOT a DQ
we should handle it like the Europeans-any horse not trotting the entire race is automatically DQd-losing ground is irrelevant
my take is the judges don't know the difference between and trot or a pace-so they didn't notice it and didn't think there was violation-so they left him up
was there a long delay in making it official?... or was it quick like most races
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so let me get this straight.....
if a trotter makes ONE pacing stride it is an automatic DQ--then all trotters who break stride(albeit pacing or not--despite losing ground or not) then that should be an automatic DQ-----but it isnt
we have all seen trotters break stride, not lose ground, then get back on stride and recover to win without any DQ
we have all seen trotters gallop through the wire-not lose any ground-and if not lapped on... that is NOT a DQ
we should handle it like the Europeans-any horse not trotting the entire race is automatically DQd-losing ground is irrelevant
my take is the judges don't know the difference between and trot or a pace-so they didn't notice it and didn't think there was violation-so they left him up
was there a long delay in making it official?... or was it quick like most races
The explanation was that the horse regained stride prior to the finish line.
Which is conoketely irrelevant since the horse clearly didnt lose ground
Lots of other things to bet on today that aren't corrupted at worst or horrible officiated at best
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so let me get this straight.....
if a trotter makes ONE pacing stride it is an automatic DQ--then all trotters who break stride(albeit pacing or not--despite losing ground or not) then that should be an automatic DQ-----but it isnt
we have all seen trotters break stride, not lose ground, then get back on stride and recover to win without any DQ
we have all seen trotters gallop through the wire-not lose any ground-and if not lapped on... that is NOT a DQ
we should handle it like the Europeans-any horse not trotting the entire race is automatically DQd-losing ground is irrelevant
my take is the judges don't know the difference between and trot or a pace-so they didn't notice it and didn't think there was violation-so they left him up
was there a long delay in making it official?... or was it quick like most races
A gallop is not a pacing stride.
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A gallop is not a pacing stride.
is there a written rule that is enforced stating that a "pacing stride" is an automatic DQ?
I am not disagreeing with you-but some have said that pacing is the same as breaking stride.... whereas you say it is not