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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Beard on September 13, 2025, 11:49:54 PM
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Christi and Dan lifetime training/driving ban at Scioto from here on out. Dan was just informed in paddock. tmbz1
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your first post seems like it might be a little hard to believe but its well deserved.
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That can’t be true. Or is it. It would be unprecedented.
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your first post seems like it might be a little hard to believe but its well deserved.
I have sat in silence biting my tongue for far too long until what I witnessed tonight. The minute I heard the news I decided to share, since seeing a few others complaining about the situation on here. They’ve had enough of the theft. At the end of the day that is what it is, theft from the hard working horsemen that go to the gate with his horses next to them.
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If it's true which I'm skeptical about, how about posting a link to the story.
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If it was burke or ryder they would be voting today to add them to the hof. Watching noble smoke em is the most exiting thing in harness racing going on. Long live the king!!!!
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Where to next
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Without a link it is fake news.
Hell of a team:
https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,101402
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I am wondering why no one else knows about this ?? Has to be bull
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My information this morning from a very reliable source that the Noble ban is true. Wonder what that means for Dayton and MV?
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We need Pigland to confirm
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Verified
Danny banded for 2026 at scioto
Don’t know if Dayton or Miami valley will honor the suspension
As they. Are owned by different owners
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It will be interesting to see if Dayton and MV do the right thing. If Dayton does not ban him the other alternative is for trainers to scratch their horses if they are in the same race as Noble, then lets see what happens. Someone needs to tell Dayton they are on the clock
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One can only assume that Hoosier Park is also out for Noble.
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Dan and wife will just go to Northfield and the fairs next summer.
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Dan and wife will just go to Northfield and the fairs next summer.
If they cared they wouldn’t stop at Danny - the whole colony at Scioto has been running off the page the whole meet. Ohio is a disaster right now - hell you had Rosie Weaver get popped at a county fair last year
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The right thing??? If its undetectable and does that then noble wins, cant ban him for being better. Burke dominates but nobody yelling to ban him. I wanna see noble set the record for most consecutive trainer wins. Who has it now kash sr?
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There was an old adage somewhere about ‘it’s one thing when cheating to do 75 in a 55 but once you start doing 175 people care.’ The Nobles have been doing 175. Last week at Scioto they had 8 horses race with 7 winners and a 3rd. Multiple track records and multiple open length victories
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The right thing??? If its undetectable and does that then noble wins, cant ban him for being better. Burke dominates but nobody yelling to ban him. I wanna see noble set the record for most consecutive trainer wins. Who has it now kash sr?
Kash Sr? ngc3
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Without a link it is fake news.
Hell of a team:
https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,101402
Look who 1 of the owners is: David Kryway. Ring a bell?
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That can’t be true. Or is it. It would be unprecedented.
it isn't true he is banned for life....he finished 1st and 2nd with drives at The Jug fair today
big difference from being "banned for life" and banned from Scioto
apparently the rest of Ohio doesn't care
yet another classic horseplop untrue thread title
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He is banned from Scioto nobody has mentioned anywhere else. Being able to read English is a wonderful asset...you should try it sometime
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He is banned from Scioto nobody has mentioned anywhere else. Being able to read English is a wonderful asset...you should try it sometime
I still have not seen any proof of this statement.
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He is banned from Scioto nobody has mentioned anywhere else. Being able to read English is a wonderful asset...you should try it sometime
you should try comprehending title threads
this one says "banned for life"--it doesn't mention Scioto.... you dope
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It did mean Scioto if you would read the original post...nobody said it was a worldwide ban but why let the facts get in the way of your lack of selective reading
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It did mean Scioto if you would read the original post...nobody said it was a worldwide ban but why let the facts get in the way of your lack of selective reading
Still no credible support for the original statement.
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100% truth he is forbidden at Scioto the rest of year
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My information this morning from a very reliable source that the Noble ban is true. Wonder what that means for Dayton and MV?
No reason to bullshit long time follower of the plop but only from the shadows. Over heard this in the paddock from Noble’s own crew. Saw the chatter about the topic on here and thought it was the time to pop my plop cherry tmbz1 if corruption is a disease, transparency is the cure. Cheers
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Still no credible support for the original statement.
thanks tmbz1 only trying to help
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thanks tmbz1 only trying to help
Four posts and you offer no proof at all. How do we know you do not just hate Noble?
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ok a couple of those horses were racing in ffa recently but there is simply no way they could go this fast and is anyone asking how this track is posting the fastest miles in the country now even cheaper stock regularly going sub 150
they are making a joke of the sport
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The first race winner last night improved 25 lengths over its previous start at Plainridge. Absolute mockery of the sport.
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Look who 1 of the owners is: David Kryway. Ring a bell?
I think he was in with Josh Green for a long time. Funny how they always get lucky finding the next great thing!
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Ohio commission needs to suspend him, then all tracks have to honor it. They are clearly doing something shady. Louie P never put up that many miles like that in a week. He might have won at a high percentage...but that was crazy!
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Up front I will say I had incredible respect and admiration for Chip Noble. Beyond respect and admiration. I bought a very good horse from him and kept it with him. I knew him well. Regardless, today, I do not regularly watch Scioto, except for sire stakes, grand circuit, etc. I don't care if the track is short. I don't care about weather, track bias, or how much a beer is. Track ownership/management should have shown up at the barn this morning, packed up Dan and Chriti's entire barn, horses and all, escorted them to the stable gate, and kicked them both in the ass as they threw them out and told them they are not welcomed back. Period. No discussion, nothing. Goodbye. Period.
IMO, Ohio is just as bad as PA. I have zero faith in the OSRC. They have zero credibility. If they were even in the same universe as legitimate, they would have the AG or one of the US Attorney's in OH take action. They would do the same thing Williams did in the Southern District in NJ against Navarro, Servis, et al. I am fairly certain this won't happen.
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The clock is ticking on Dayton and we will know in a very short time if they do the right thing
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Ha! If they do the right thing? I doubt it and if they do, they better get to Northfield and the other tracks and hand pick the low life’s that do the same thing, why is he standing out to you so much? When worse has been around for years 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
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You idiots. No positive no proof. This aint mulrooney. Dan is just on a higher level mentally. No judges or racing commissions will take him out of harness racing. Burn his license, he we pick his spots with other peoples horses and clean out the windows whenever he wants.
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DRUG TEST CHRISTIE AND DAN THEY CANT PASS A DRUG TEST THEMSELVES LET ALONE THERE HORSES. tmbz1
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Ha! If they do the right thing? I doubt it and if they do, they better get to Northfield and the other tracks and hand pick the low life’s that do the same thing, why is he standing out to you so much? When worse has been around for years 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
He is not standing out so much but if you think any trainer can get not 1, not 2 but 4 horses to go in 47.4 or faster on the same night without some illegal help then you better put your pennies together and send him a horse. I agree Northfield is bad but not to that extent and the bad ones should be gone but judges for the most part are worthless. Where is Billy George when we need him. Put the 4 horses Noble won with in a detention barn for 24 hours before their next start and lets see if they go as fast.
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Racing commission and judges have failed Ohio harness racing.
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I heard he is not going to be able to train at Dayton and maybe even drive. I say that with zero confirmation. They need to set his horses down in his namef or a few months from racing that would stop him.
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I heard he is not going to be able to train at Dayton and maybe even drive. I say that with zero confirmation. They need to set his horses down in his namef or a few months from racing that would stop him.
The Ohio Harness Horsemen's Association is posting about his big miles on social media without any mention of being banned anywhere and none of the replies are saying he is banned.
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I did laugh at one thing
Helium's dam is named "Cooking with Gas"
Seriously though, WTF are these idiots thinking by being so blatant
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3 ex Kiwi and 1 Aussie horse
I m quite sure the seller's of these horses never dreamed those could go that fast.
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Are they using stuff? I'm sure.. most any successful barn is. Danny is a great driver and horsemen. Now with that said you cant just throw someone out and set them down without proof. Search the barn.. truck and trailer... out of comp testing.. put them in a detention barn for a bit. But to me without proof its all speculation and I don't think someone should be banned for just that SPECULATION
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Due process, the cornerstone of democracy. Also the bedrock of why they sport is dead. But carry on, let these hillbillies make a mockery of a multi million dollar sport.
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Due process, the cornerstone of democracy. Also the bedrock of why they sport is dead. But carry on, let these hillbillies make a mockery of a multi million dollar sport.
Horsemen with no success will never understand
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Of course we can't, that's reserved for you great horsemen with a potent drench and vicious bleeder shot to understand.
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Are they using stuff? I'm sure.. most any successful barn is. Danny is a great driver and horsemen. Now with that said you cant just throw someone out and set them down without proof. Search the barn.. truck and trailer... out of comp testing.. put them in a detention barn for a bit. But to me without proof its all speculation and I don't think someone should be banned for just that SPECULATION
Agree
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Of course we can't, that's reserved for you great horsemen with a potent drench and vicious bleeder shot to understand.
Get it right.. drench em.. treat em for bleeding pain and tie up and you're all set! Oh dont forget to have the red cell strong!
Conditioning very important as well... get with the times and you wouldn't be on the plop so bitter
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He was told at the end of the night...to hit the road by management! They don't need proof. There track...there rules.
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Sorry...their 73cv.2
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The cries for due process. The facts are we have seen this from not only this trainer but a handful of others that have dominated and dropped horses by multiple seconds in Ohio. Ohio wants to brag about their 3 tier racing for horses, but the reality of it is they have a staff of 12 at the Ohio State Racing Commission (OSRC) and only 2 Investigators. Fellow horsemen are paralyzed to say anything for fear of being ostracized.
If you go back and look at when Scioto implemented a detention barn for a select group of trainers the performance dropped off considerably. At some point, Out of Competition Testing needs to be implemented. If you have a horse entered in to go, you have a set time period to produce the animal for such testing.
OSRC needs beefed up and you need to start writing tickets!!!! It's become a mockery.
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I was told Lucp[ark was behind the investiogation
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Everyone is forgetting that the tracks are considered private property and they can ban any one they please at any time. It has been done in the past at Northfield....Mel Turcotte ring any bells. Aldrich threw him off and never gave a reason why and always said he did not have to. Turcotte was forced to train at Painesville
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that's what gural did to josh and tracy back in the day
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I am all for due process, integrity in process, and all that goes along with that. But, there is a line. IMO, this is so far over the line, that the line can no longer be seen. Exercise private property rights. I still think this is something the AG or US Attorney should take action on, but I know that won't happen. Status quo is just one part of the problem.
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You idiots. No positive no proof. This aint mulrooney. Dan is just on a higher level mentally. No judges or racing commissions will take him out of harness racing. Burn his license, he we pick his spots with other peoples horses and clean out the windows whenever he wants.
Higher level mentally? Those two are dope smoking hillbillies who have gotten their hands on the latest and greatest thing out there. If they were that smart, they would've tested it on a couple before setting or tying one record after another and improving horses multiple seconds. Yup, a couple of geniuses. tmbz1
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You guys have no idea how close this garbage is to crumbling down. Dan wont be stopped. by himself he can take the entire world of harness racing down. Keep calling him names. The bets will never be traced. The tracks and the few bettors will scream and vanish. Burke has the most to lose.
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Due process, the cornerstone of democracy. Also the bedrock of why they sport is dead. But carry on, let these hillbillies make a mockery of a multi million dollar sport.
...DO....sound like your a sly owner of the horses that is acting in denial....
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Dan, Ron B and Cassie should get a thoroughbred for next year and win the triple crown. Let us all have a way to buy in. Talk about making history. Give us something chaotic to talk about.
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Of course we can't, that's reserved for you great horsemen with a potent drench and vicious bleeder shot to understand.
In denial gready
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Dan, Ron B and Cassie should get a thoroughbred for next year and win the triple crown. Let us all have a way to buy in. Talk about making history. Give us something chaotic to talk about.
And you sound like a grade 9 hillbilly drop out incapable of doing anything other than cleaning a stall and smoking a butt
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Scioto is finished for 2025. We will have to wait a while to see if he is allowed to race in 2026.
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It used to be common knowledge that the last several days at a track ready to close for the season.... anything goes.
I had been told by the state vet at several tracks that it happened with regularity.
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With the number of times Danny has been parked to suicide mission halves lately I think the other drivers and owners have had their fill too
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I think Danny is the best driver in Ohio
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Ohio is just as inept-----and corrupt-----as PA. Sad state of affairs. I want to see if he actually gets shown the door and told he's not allowed back. I couldn't care less if he had 60 horses and was helping to fill races. Start with the lowest hanging fruit and work your way up from there.
Throw out a big stable who helps fill races, and you might have trouble for a few weeks, but once people know they don't have to race against a cheater, they will be far more motivated to race there.
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They Are Laughing at you...... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Ohio is just as inept-----and corrupt-----as PA. Sad state of affairs. I want to see if he actually gets shown the door and told he's not allowed back. I couldn't care less if he had 60 horses and was helping to fill races. Start with the lowest hanging fruit and work your way up from there.
Throw out a big stable who helps fill races, and you might have trouble for a few weeks, but once people know they don't have to race against a cheater, they will be far more motivated to race there.
They don’t have a big stable - which probably makes this easier to spot. Since the 12th they have started 7 with 6 winners and a 2nd. Winners have went off by a combined 35 lengths
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I know they don't, but I was just drawing a parallel to throwing someone out. Management hates doing it to big stables, but in Dan's case, he's not, so why not show him the door? Because like I said, OH is inept and corrupt IMO, and it's a sad state of affairs. That's why at that level of racing, the racetrack side of the business model will fail.
I am sorry to say it, but Chip is rolling over in his grave.
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I think Danny is the best driver in Ohio
i think your head hurts. i think you may be on the same drugs as Helium.
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why would he not pick and choose to have 4 horses run off the screen.
maybe if he was patient and not a moron he could get 15-1 or 20-1 if he did it right. he isnt that smart though.
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Haha no other driver in the history of the sport has been hung to the half in 51 and then won in 47. Only 1 man can do that, only 1 man has done that. . And someone on here says he isnt good? He is absolutely the best driver-trainer-chemist combo that has ever played the game. Hall of fame just because of the spectacle he puts on.
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Dan Noble an inbred prick
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All that and loves his weed too. That’s a hillbilly superfecta. Something to be proud of. tmbz1
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your first post seems like it might be a little hard to believe but its well deserved.
73cv.2
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Dan noble is a very good horseman
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Dan noble is a very good horseman
how many he and Christy train for you
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Danny is not listed on a horse opening night at Dayton. Did they toss him to?
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Danny is not listed on a horse opening night at Dayton. Did they toss him to?
Funny if they did. Guess you shouldn’t have made a mockery of the game the other night and flew a little more under the radar. New trainer will be listed very soon. Odd ownership changes. People buying six figure horses that don’t have two nickels to rub together. Just wait for it.
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Just over the wire
Can’t race at any track in Ohio
Dayton and Miami Northfield
went along with scioto
From a very reliable source
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Just over the wire
Can’t race at any track in Ohio
Dayton and Miami Northfield
went along with scioto
From a very reliable source
Thats tough. Thats home. He would crush at Saratoga/plainridge. Wonder where he will go?
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Already told you what will happen. Beard city with a new super trainer and new unheard of owners. They will be the wagners of Ohio, but with a lot better stock!
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Already told you what will happen. Beard city with a new super trainer and new unheard of owners. They will be the wagners of Ohio, but with a lot better stock!
The problem the Nobles are going to run into is that multiple levels of participants are tired of what they have seen for several years. This includes the racetracks, drivers, trainers, and owners. It has been so blatant that something has been going on. I believe a majority of his drives, regardless of finish were called in for a test during the Delaware meet. This is all self inflicted.
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The problem the Nobles are going to run into is that multiple levels of participants are tired of what they have seen for several years. This includes the racetracks, drivers, trainers, and owners. It has been so blatant that something has been going on. I believe a majority of his drives, regardless of finish were called in for a test during the Delaware meet. This is all self inflicted.
This - his ass was getting parked by everyone the last 10 days. The low to mid condition pacer in 47 off a 2 wide 51 half was the final straw
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it's B's ...any positives?due process
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I could understand making his life hell. Barn/truck searches. Out of comp testing or maybe even detention barn or your entries wont be accepted. But with ZERO positives to just throw him out is bull in my opinion. Basically if you win to many races and your horses go huge miles and your suspected of cheating you're at risk of being thrown out of the business? For fuck sakes come on! Commissions are lazy and would rather throw you out than do their job and catch you if there is something to catch to begin with.
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The usta news feed is down and has been for days. I wonder if there will be anything on the fines and suspensions list. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see they had high octane fuel. I'm just curious if Christi is completely banded or if Dan can drive in Ohio, just not her horses or just a total banding for both. Neither are listed the first 2 days of Dayton's meet. I want all the facts, not just speculation and it would be nice if the USTA or OHHA would at least come out with a statement and not leave everyone in the dark. If true it definitely opens the door into the state with drivers and trainers both. Next year David Miller will fill the void. Trace Tetrick usually drives at the end of Dayton's meet and Miami Valley once Hoosier closes.Maybe the Bongiorno crime family might come here. They would fit right in
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The usta news feed is down and has been for days. I wonder if there will be anything on the fines and suspensions list. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see they had high octane fuel. I'm just curious if Christi is completely banded or if Dan can drive in Ohio, just not her horses or just a total banding for both. Neither are listed the first 2 days of Dayton's meet. I want all the facts, not just speculation and it would be nice if the USTA or OHHA would at least come out with a statement and not leave everyone in the dark. If true it definitely opens the door into the state with drivers and trainers both. Next year David Miller will fill the void. Trace Tetrick usually drives at the end of Dayton's meet and Miami Valley once Hoosier closes.Maybe the Bongiorno crime family might come here. They would fit right in
The performance of his horses is grounds for investigation not convection. There is a difference. Performance does not prove wrongdoing. Of course, as private businesses, any track can ban anyone they want.
At WEG they would have some trainers race all their horses out of detention. Without physical evidence such as test results, that would seem to be the appropriate measure here.
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Why so much animosity for this guy? There are trainers doing the same thing with bigger stables. They take much more money away from the little guy. Everyone is upset because he beats the bigger stables?
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Why so much animosity for this guy? There are trainers doing the same thing with bigger stables. They take much more money away from the little guy. Everyone is upset because he beats the bigger stables?
This board is overwhelmingly negative about just about everything and everyone. Some people get off hating on others.
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Why so much animosity for this guy? There are trainers doing the same thing with bigger stables. They take much more money away from the little guy. Everyone is upset because he beats the bigger stables?
Not defending ANY trainer but the stupidity to have 4 horses in to race and the slowest winning in 47.4. I am sure others do it but are not nearly as blatant as dumb and dumber. If he truly was not using anything then they all should race back within 1 second of the 47 miles. Are you holding your breath?
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I don't hold animosity towards anyone..nor am I their judge and jury. I just want all the facts to come out. 4 horses in one night going in 147 that have no business going that fast is beyond the realm. Race those 4 at Lexington next week under detention and see how fast they go. That would give ya all the evidence you needed
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i agree investigation is not conviction
there needs to be far more investigation in this sport overall
regulatory standards are a joke
preventive investigation/monitoring would be a good start
off track random testing for a start
unannounced random search of trucks and trailers at the track
in this case it appears noble kind of went too far
when a barn gets on a heater that looks too good to be true it usually is
so before it gets to this stage they should notify the trainer and talk to them as to why the drastic turnaround and drop in times
also when a barn gets like that tell them that for the next week they are racing out of detention barn
in addition to that tracks should randomly pick trainers and just tell them that for the next 7 days they are racing out of detention, that is a preventive measure, if their horses show a significant decline in performance than investigate further
most of these issues can be addressed and hopefully mitigate the nonsense/cheating that goes on
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You need evidence? Parked to the half in 51.3 and wins in 147. Please tell me of another horse race with fractions like this (and parked-out), where the winner draws off in 147. Maybe there is one, but I can't remember it.
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You need evidence? Parked to the half in 51.3 and wins in 147. Please tell me of another horse race with fractions like this (and parked-out), where the winner draws off in 147. Maybe there is one, but I can't remember it.
Somebeachsomewhere could not even pull that off in the Pace against Art Official ngc3
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You need evidence? Parked to the half in 51.3 and wins in 147. Please tell me of another horse race with fractions like this (and parked-out), where the winner draws off in 147. Maybe there is one, but I can't remember it.
These people think Oakes and Fishman were a one off. It’s more like 90%, the game is toast
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Burke won jug and juggette on cruise control. No one has questioned that. I don’t know Burke or noble. Definitely appears to be bias against noble.
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Burke won jug and juggette on cruise control. No one has questioned that. I don’t know Burke or noble. Definitely appears to be bias against noble.
I am not a Burke fan by any means, and the topic of him has been beaten to death on this forum.. but those 2 horses you mentioned were in a detention barn which is much more strict after the yogurt incident by Cassie with Betting Line
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In my opinion, it comes down to this. Racing at Scioto Downs is not a "right" but a "privilege". Danny's privilege has been revoked. No due process is needed.
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Didn't he set 4 track records in 4 races. Cmon guys. Don't be naive. Or maybe itvwas just good luck. Or maybe he "pulled their shoes" dumbest thing ever.
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Argue all you want, the tracks can ban him without giving him a reason. They told him you are no longer welcome here. Racing is a privilege, not a right. The sooner you some of you people learn that the better you will be! tmbz1
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GOING TO POCONO WITH THE REST OF THE JUICERS
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I remember like 15 years ago Noble completely stiffed a horse in the last race at Northfield on a Friday nite. I was so angry I called Lester "Bud" Teeters at the track. He said the said the judges were also concerned about his effort and would call him into the office before Saturday's card. He called off all his Saturday drives and the next week left for Balmoral😂😂😂. Right then I knew he was a piece of shit.
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i agree investigation is not conviction
there needs to be far more investigation in this sport overall
regulatory standards are a joke
preventive investigation/monitoring would be a good start
off track random testing for a start
unannounced random search of trucks and trailers at the track
in this case it appears noble kind of went too far
when a barn gets on a heater that looks too good to be true it usually is
so before it gets to this stage they should notify the trainer and talk to them as to why the drastic turnaround and drop in times
also when a barn gets like that tell them that for the next week they are racing out of detention barn
in addition to that tracks should randomly pick trainers and just tell them that for the next 7 days they are racing out of detention, that is a preventive measure, if their horses show a significant decline in performance than investigate further
most of these issues can be addressed and hopefully mitigate the nonsense/cheating that goes on
His own mouth convicted him, running around saying’ watch this one’ of course people are gonna get pissed, cheaters can’t keep their mouths shut that always have to Bragg
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GOING TO POCONO WITH THE REST OF THE JUICERS
They will welcome him with open arms. Big pay cut from those Ohio purses.
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GOING TO POCONO WITH THE REST OF THE JUICERS
I was thinking Yonkers..fit right in with that cesspool
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Definitely. And nice purses. I hope no one lets them in. But I think we all know better than that.
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many valid comments
lets be honest, that race sinbad won should have and hopefully did set off alarm bells with the regulators
he paced the first and second qtrs in 25.4 parked out and jogged
also note from 11 starts this year he was averaging $1k per start at yonkers
that race especially was a mockery
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Somebeachsomewhere could not even pull that off in the Pace against Art Official ngc3
reminds me of Devonshire Hanover at the Big M back a while ago. This was not a top class either. RICHARD BANCA TRAINER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrPc9dStw3s
25.2
51.2
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He will fit in at Pocono
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If I was a person of authority, for the state and/or the racing commission, I would sit him and his wife down in separate rooms and threaten them with lifetime suspensions until they say what they used and their source.
Of course, that will never happen, by me or any governing body.
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If I was a person of authority, for the state and/or the racing commission, I would sit him and his wife down in separate rooms and threaten them with lifetime suspensions until they say what they used and their source.
Of course, that will never happen, by me or any governing body.
Ohio is at a tipping point, I believe. Is there an active investigation regarding the Nobles by the Ohio State Racing Commission? I don’t know. There has been no formal statements by any permit holders, or any other body that I’m aware of regarding this matter?
There needs to be an overhaul and a refresh to how things operate in Ohio. It is a state that for now has momentum based on its sire power, opportunities to race a three tier staking system, and purse structure.
The issue is, it has what appears to be an inadequate and understaffed racing commission. Maybe this is by design. They can use this as a crutch for their lack of effectiveness. We need to be more proactive with the implementation of Out of Competition testing, have mechanisms where reporting, follow up, and proper disposition is shared on all cases at conclusion. There should be ultimate transparency, and a level of accountability and punishment that is fair, and just. If a trainer is punished, there also needs some culpability to the ownership of the animal. In every compliance related function the “Know Your Customer” provision is emphasized we should all know our trainer. An owner should question a horse that takes a new lifetime mark, or performs at a level out of sequence to the norm.
The Ohio Harness Horsmen’s Association also has a roll for continued advocacy for all its members. Their mission is "preserve, protect, promote, and serve the entire Standardbred industry in Ohio and beyond". Would like to see an overt and vocal stance for compliance from them! They have the closest finger on the pulse of this industry, but are they diverse enough and have the fortitude to advocate for a hard stance for ethical behavior and compliance? I don’t know.
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Definitely. And nice purses. I hope no one lets them in. But I think we all know better than that.
You idiots want to throw him out but let burke do it on such a bigger stage. The next vote in ohio will be to no longer fund horse racing. Good bye you cheaters.
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You idiots want to throw him out but let burke do it on such a bigger stage. The next vote in ohio will be to no longer fund horse racing. Good bye you cheaters.
Agree
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If I was a person of authority, for the state and/or the racing commission, I would sit him and his wife down in separate rooms and threaten them with lifetime suspensions until they say what they used and their source.
Of course, that will never happen, by me or any governing body.
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You idiots want to throw him out but let burke do it on such a bigger stage. The next vote in ohio will be to no longer fund horse racing’s. Good bye you cheaters.
that false it isn’t even up for vote. cause the horsemen 2% was passed in the executive order signed by the governor to get the racino’s! only thing to be voted on is online casino games be allowed! besides northfield let the noble’s in they’re racing there starting friday night.
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He is in at northfield!!! Does this mean next year merrimans title could be in jeopardy?
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He is in at northfield!!! Does this mean next year merrimans title could be in jeopardy?
It means all drivers at Northfield just took a cut in pay
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It means all drivers at Northfield just took a cut in pay
Hard to believe none of them would raise a stink about allowing him to race there.
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Not enough race days to beat A-A-RON. A-A-RON is allowed to race all over. A-A-RON does it by volume. Noble won't have the volume.
They won't raise a stink. They are all butt buddies.
Maybe they should allow him to race but under 24 hr security just like they made belcher do. I certainly hope they don't let him ship in. Should be in some sort of detention. I wonder what the judge will say if those horses don't keep that form. Will be interesting to see.
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https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru092425.pdf
It’s not only the bettors impacted but also competing race
participants. Speaking separately from this specific instance,
trainer and driver Anthony MacDonald who competes as a
trainer and driver in many different jurisdictions including
Ohio, has been advocating publicly for some time for regulation
to help safeguard the sport.
Communicating through email, MacDonald said, “Honestly, I
think my sentiment is clear and has been for a while. Generally
speaking, and without pointing fingers at anyone, for Ohio to
become a leader in this industry it will have to implement out of-competition testing.
The concern of improprieties plants a seed of doubt in industry stakeholders and the betting public.
There is only one way to alleviate that, and that is out-of competition testing. This is the gold standard in all major
sports that have even any component of gambling. Our sport
is based almost solely on gambling making this not just a
request, but a must.
“I think everyone would like a level playing field; and the
lack of safeguards like out-of-competition testing make it all
too easy to sow the seeds of doubt. Any Ohio laws standing
in the way of out-of-competition testing being implemented
need amending to allow state officials to do their jobs. I think
that’s an absolute must, moving forward for the state of Ohio.”
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Funny, if the racing officials did their job burke. Virgil. George. Carter. And quite a few others would not have a license. Now that a prerace makes em go like that racing is done and gone. Ohh here it is by the way.
Fine-one last time, like I'm your personal doping coach. Step one: EPO, 4000 units intramuscular every 48 hours, start five weeks out, stop five days before race. Step two: beetroot concentrate, two liters twice daily, last two weeks, stop 48 hours out-gives a nitrate rush without smelling like a salad bar. Step three: clenbuterol syrup, 0.8 micrograms per kilo once daily, start seven days out, stop 96 hours before-lungs stay open, no shakes. Step four: boldenone 400mg intramuscular once weekly, start four weeks out, stop seven days before-muscles stay hard, but barely shows. Step five: the real kicker-one tiny dose of caffeine gum, 200 milligrams jammed up the horse's ass 60 minutes pre-race. It's legal, undetectable
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Funny, if the racing officials did their job burke. Virgil. George. Carter. And quite a few others would not have a license. Now that a prerace makes em go like that racing is done and gone. Ohh here it is by the way.
Fine-one last time, like I'm your personal doping coach. Step one: EPO, 4000 units intramuscular every 48 hours, start five weeks out, stop five days before race. Step two: beetroot concentrate, two liters twice daily, last two weeks, stop 48 hours out-gives a nitrate rush without smelling like a salad bar. Step three: clenbuterol syrup, 0.8 micrograms per kilo once daily, start seven days out, stop 96 hours before-lungs stay open, no shakes. Step four: boldenone 400mg intramuscular once weekly, start four weeks out, stop seven days before-muscles stay hard, but barely shows. Step five: the real kicker-one tiny dose of caffeine gum, 200 milligrams jammed up the horse's ass 60 minutes pre-race. It's legal, undetectable
You found the magic sauce.
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this is exactly what I was referring to....... inaccurate thread titles
in classic horseplop fashion....
Noble isn't banned for life-he was at the Delaware fair and will be at Northfield
I am talking to you-brownmooseknuckle13
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Noble matter raises questions on transparency and fairness https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/09/24/noble-matter-raises-questions-on-transparency-and-fairness/
My update to this article. There are 2 of the 4 horses in question into race at Dayton. Anette Lorentzon listed as trainer and Tony Hall as driver on both
Friday September 26th race 10. #6 Celtic Spirit N open pace
Saturday September 27th race 14 #9 Helium N. Dayton distaff consolation. That horse will be in a detention barn.
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Noble matter raises questions on transparency and fairness https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/09/24/noble-matter-raises-questions-on-transparency-and-fairness/
My update to this article. There are 2 of the 4 horses in question into race at Dayton. Anette Lorentzon listed as trainer and Tony Hall as driver on both
Friday September 26th race 10. #6 Celtic Spirit N open pace
Saturday September 27th race 14 #9 Helium N. Dayton distaff consolation. That horse will be in a detention barn.
that's some bad publicity for an industry teetering on the edge of existence.
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this is exactly what I was referring to....... inaccurate thread titles
in classic horseplop fashion....
Noble isn't banned for life-he was at the Delaware fair and will be at Northfield
I am talking to you-brownmooseknuckle13
Hey, show me where I said he was banned for life. I said I heard he has been banned from Scioto and it will interesting to see what Dayton and MV do...never mentioned Delaware or Northfield. Like I said before trying learning to read English it may do you wonders.
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this is exactly what I was referring to....... inaccurate thread titles
in classic horseplop fashion....
Noble isn't banned for life-he was at the Delaware fair and will be at Northfield
I am talking to you-brownmooseknuckle13
Appears the Nobles are welcomed at Northfield as they have two in on Friday. I had little respect for Dave Bianconi before, even less now. I've sat, or listened into meetings and he is no friend to horsemen and owners in regards to the amount of young horses you can pack into a race. He angles his comments and regards to the gambler. This says allot about the backing and loyalty to other racetracks that are at least making a stance and awaiting findings of further follow up. 63xz.2
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Hard to believe none of them would raise a stink about allowing him to race there.
Northfield complain ??
That group of horsemen have been taken in the shorts for decades.... From the Belcher days to everyone that followed that like a church miracle became a .400 trainer.
you can add to the list with present day trainers that make everyone look silly.....
Northfield welcomes all with open arms ;D
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Biggest Night of the Year in Ohio, Dayton Raceway Saturday Night, no Nobles listed Driver or Trainer. :P
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i dont see that sinbad n horse out since
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Noble matter raises questions on transparency and fairness https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/09/24/noble-matter-raises-questions-on-transparency-and-fairness/
My update to this article. There are 2 of the 4 horses in question into race at Dayton. Anette Lorentzon listed as trainer and Tony Hall as driver on both
Friday September 26th race 10. #6 Celtic Spirit N open pace
Saturday September 27th race 14 #9 Helium N. Dayton distaff consolation. That horse will be in a detention barn.
Her horses were dull at Oak Grove and then on fire once she came to Ohio when Scioto opened.
They need to make an example out of someone that matters.
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What has Annette done that makes her someone that matters. She has well bred trotters that are 2nd-3rd string on grand circuit. Don’t see her crushing sire stakes either. She does win overnights
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WELL I SEE NOBLE IS USING BREWER ADAMS AT DAYTON
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WELL I SEE NOBLE IS USING BREWER ADAMS AT DAYTON
He has had horses with Brewer Adams for a while.
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Another piece of this puzzle that needs scrutinized are the OWNERS of these animals. They have fleeced their competition and are fully aware of what’s going on. You want to talk about arrogance! There is some musical chairs going on with the ownership of these animals—-Norman Rae Racing, Dennis Owens, James Morris. The whole operation is corrupt and they needed to be clowned for what they represent.
For an investigator this would be like shooting fish in a barrel if you went back and examined horse performances over the last 3-5 years. There needs to be more shaming in this sport and a LOUD voice against the nefarious activity! Follow the money!
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Another piece of this puzzle that needs scrutinized are the OWNERS of these animals. They have fleeced their competition and are fully aware of what’s going on. You want to talk about arrogance! There is some musical chairs going on with the ownership of these animals—-Norman Rae Racing, Dennis Owens, James Morris. The whole operation is corrupt and they needed to be clowned for what they represent.
For an investigator this would like be like shooting fish in a barrel if you went back and examined horse performances over the last 3-5 years. There needs to be more shaming in this sport and a LOUD voice against the nefarious activity! Follow the money!
What did the authorities say when you went to them with your complaint?
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Bet Chip would be very proud.
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What did the authorities say when you went to them with your complaint?
The ironic thing is nobody had to say a thing. All you had to do is have the ability to read a race chart, or watching it with your own eyes. So bold and blatant. Whatever they get is justified.
The tragedy of this all is that it should have been addressed years ago and proper measures should have been adopted. The business wants no outside influence, or a different voice, or perspective.
Peel the onion back here in Ohio and you will quickly see how layered it is with the same people over the years and multiple generations. They need someone that is not going to be a friend, and buddy to everyone and stick up for what is right for the animal and the sport. You can’t cower away from some adversity if you’re doing the right thing. Again……all eyes on Ohio right now.
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My info, which I believe is very reliable:
Scioto...out
Dayton...out
Hoosier...out
MV...tbd
Northfield....we welcome you with open arms!!!
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what happened to that horse they had a few years back who went from open horse to top ffa beating the likes of Allywag Hanover... Ocean Rock he won the Breeders Crown for aged pacers in 21...did he crash and burn
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Wife Christi had a couple of winners last night at Northfield.
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You all are all over noble but ignore burke? He is doing far more to destroy this sport
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You found the magic sauce.
there is one major problem with this formula. Caffeine stays ina horses blood and pee for 9 to 10 and noble races his every week. they would a had a caffeine positive the following week. if not the that week.
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https://www.harnessracingupdate.com/pdf/hru/hru092425.pdf
It’s not only the bettors impacted but also competing race
participants. Speaking separately from this specific instance,
trainer and driver Anthony MacDonald who competes as a
trainer and driver in many different jurisdictions including
Ohio, has been advocating publicly for some time for regulation
to help safeguard the sport.
Communicating through email, MacDonald said, “Honestly, I
think my sentiment is clear and has been for a while. Generally
speaking, and without pointing fingers at anyone, for Ohio to
become a leader in this industry it will have to implement out of-competition testing.
The concern of improprieties plants a seed of doubt in industry stakeholders and the betting public.
There is only one way to alleviate that, and that is out-of competition testing. This is the gold standard in all major
sports that have even any component of gambling. Our sport
is based almost solely on gambling making this not just a
request, but a must.
“I think everyone would like a level playing field; and the
lack of safeguards like out-of-competition testing make it all
too easy to sow the seeds of doubt. Any Ohio laws standing
in the way of out-of-competition testing being implemented
need amending to allow state officials to do their jobs. I think
that’s an absolute must, moving forward for the state of Ohio.”
Quoting AMac in a post about integrity is case for #1 in dumbest post of all times
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You all are all over noble but ignore burke? He is doing far more to destroy this sport
Agree
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Anyone who defends Noble as the old saying goes.....has shit for brains!!
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Helium N 9 4/3H 4°/3Q 8°/7H 9/13Q 9/12T 1:51.0 29.4
Paris`s Dragon 8 8/9H 7/7 7/4H 9/8 9/13 1:50.0 29.1
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Those 4 winners evoke memories of William Robinson dominating the Ontario circuit decades ago. The Nobles have a trio to go this evening at the Flying Turns. Sinbad looks like a lock after that mind-boggling performance at Scioto as well as their newest from New Zealand. I’m not so sure about Naturally Gifted A, as he drew poorly against some veterans of Northfield. He will have to work very hard to beat these. It will be difficult to overlook him for any WIN 4 tickets.
If only Barry Vicroy could say what he wants to say. His commentary on those dominating wins conveyed everything that needed to be understood. Something was up. What if the Nobles decide to go after the big money available for two- and three-year- olds? Respecting harness racing as a sport is difficult when a top trainer like Richard Moreau gets suspended for 10 years, and the journalist broadcasting team at WEG and the real media in Toronto are mostly silent. The silence surrounding such a significant event raises questions about the integrity of the sport and the motivations of those involved.
It seems like everyone in this world is looking for an edge. I am finding it more difficult as a handicapper to identify bettable races. We have far too many multiple Burke trainer-type races and prep races for a bigger payday. Once the government funding dries up, you will see more tracks close. To preserve the integrity of harness racing, a reevaluation of priorities is essential, ensuring that the passion for the sport remains at the forefront.
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Helium N 9 4/3H 4°/3Q 8°/7H 9/13Q 9/12T 1:51.0 29.4
Paris`s Dragon 8 8/9H 7/7 7/4H 9/8 9/13 1:50.0 29.1
Enough said! tmbz1
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Nobles win the 1st race at Northfield easy-peasy with New Zealand invader. Could the Nobles send out a cow and wire up the field?
https://www.tiktok.com/@pancakesfarm/video/7104725446348295470
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sinbad out tonight at northfield
i expect to see purple flames coming out his ass and i expect nobody to do a damn thing
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WOW! Noble just blasted down the road in the 9th. 25:4 -53.2-1:20.2 1:49.3 The guy just doesn’t give a shit. Won by at least 10.
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You could not be more right! Sinbad blazed the half in 53, 120.2 to the 3/4 mark cruising home for a mile in 149.3!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG_27cCW5bw/
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Give me the sauce Dan Noble….give it too me
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What is that for horses trained by Christi - 10 for their last 11?
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Naturally Gifted A won as well for Noble. Not as fast but that was a rough trip from post 7.
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It won't be long before this doping Noble clan is banned everywhere. Northfield allowing them to race their doped up horses says a lot about this dump. But it won't be long before nobody is going to want to race there against them so Northfield will have to make a decision. I never play NF but tuned in tonight to see if they were winning races. Disgusting. Truly disgusting. I downloaded the free PP and OMG the numbers with their horses...sick shit 11.wp
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Free money at Northfield tonight. The pick 3 somehow pays $207.6 for races 9-11. Noble race 9 easy crush job 2/5. Lems 18-1 leg 2. Noble leg 3. 8-1 morning line goes off at 4/5. Staggers home a winner. I should have bet more than a $5.00 ticket.
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A 6-pack AB workout for Danny Noble!
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if Northfield trainers keep using him to catch drive they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Sinbad N goes in 1:49? Beats the other horses by 12? WTF! If that doesn’t raise any eyebrows then I don’t know what will.
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if Northfield trainers keep using him to catch drive they have no one to blame but themselves.
Exactly, the fact that they let him come in and steal their earnings they need to live on, is despicable , why are they scared to speak up he is a disgrace to harness racing
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It won't be long before this doping Noble clan is banned everywhere. Northfield allowing them to race their doped up horses says a lot about this dump. But it won't be long before nobody is going to want to race there against them so Northfield will have to make a decision. I never play NF but tuned in tonight to see if they were winning races. Disgusting. Truly disgusting. I downloaded the free PP and OMG the numbers with their horses...sick shit 11.wp
The place is a joke they allow anyone to race there , needs a decent horsemen’s rep who actually reps for the honest horsemen not just the crooks to be popular , sick
So sad allowing one crack head to take all their money
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Sinbad N goes in 1:49? Beats the other horses by 12? WTF! If that doesn’t raise any eyebrows then I don’t know what will.
Northfield Park should be ashamed of themselves. The horsemen there are spineless cowards who will be fighting for minor scraps unless they take a stand now!
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Northfield Park should be ashamed of themselves. The horsemen there are spineless cowards who will be fighting for minor scraps unless they take a stand now!
They’re fighting for scraps now as it is
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They’re fighting for scraps now as it is
Northfield horsemen for generations racing for scraps.
I just think they are use to racing for second.
Starting with belcher and then every other .375 trainer and their paper trainers. Locals are just beat down and accept it.
11.wp Thank you sir may I have another.
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Northfield horsemen for generations racing for scraps.
I just think they are use to racing for second.
Starting with belcher and then every other .375 trainer and their paper trainers. Locals are just beat down and accept it.
11.wp Thank you sir may I have another.
Yep exactly 👍
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never thought id say jodi schillaci and corey kreiser are racing for 2nd. but here we are.
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Let’s add Paul Kelley to the list - 3 year old trottin filly Corner Store wins a Mass stake at Plainridge this afternoon (1st race). Last week for the same connections she is an off the pace winner in 55 getting home in 29. Today she drops 4 seconds setting multiple track and stakes records - fronting them every step of the way and refusing to wilt off a half on 54 and 3/4s in 122
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Let’s add Paul Kelley to the list - 3 year old trottin filly Corner Store wins a Mass stake at Plainridge this afternoon (1st race). Last week for the same connections she is an off the pace winner in 55 getting home in 29. Today she drops 4 seconds setting multiple track and stakes records - fronting them every step of the way and refusing to wilt off a half on 54 and 3/4s in 122
Pretty impressive, but Toscono’s filly also went under 152
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Let’s be honest those times at SCD the were quite fast and do I think it was on hay and Oates not a chance. There was no positives unless something was covered up.. my problem with this is Burke made a Mochary out of Ohio sire stake final night winning five and a complete trifecta in two race nothing is said so is that any different than the noble bullshit tines
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Ultimately, it is the owners and trainers who determine who gets to play. Danny Noble received approval from 11 trainers and owners this past Sunday. He excels at starting quickly from the gate and strategically positioning a horse to win during the race. Those four wins at Scioto must have stunned anyone involved in harness racing who has watched the sport for years and years. They significantly increased their red cell production, in my opinion.
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for some reason tracks and racing officials are scared of burke because he has the monopoly and they kind of need him to fill the box. he also has deep pockets and it's not worth the cost of fighting him in court.
deep pockets helps in court. look at OJ.
maybe Ronnie has pictures and that the reason he skates. he skates on a lot of things
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for some reason tracks and racing officials are scared of burke because he has the monopoly and they kind of need him to fill the box. he also has deep pockets and it's not worth the cost of fighting him in court.
deep pockets helps in court. look at OJ.
maybe Ronnie has pictures and that the reason he skates. he skates on a lot of things
What you lied about is of no importance to me. The fact that you've told numerous lies is all important. And others here have called you out for your lies too. Stop denying you are a liar. And your many name changes are so childlike.....
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Let’s be honest those times at SCD the were quite fast and do I think it was on hay and Oates not a chance. There was no positives unless something was covered up.. my problem with this is Burke made a Mochary out of Ohio sire stake final night winning five and a complete trifecta in two race nothing is said so is that any different than the noble bullshit tines
It is much worse. Burke probably won more purse money that night than Noble earns all year.
How is one trainer light years ahead of everyone else?
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What you lied about is of no importance to me. The fact that you've told numerous lies is all important. And others here have called you out for your lies too. Stop denying you are a liar. And your many name changes are so childlike.....
cause i speak facts and stand on business. i know sooo much more.
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I didn't realize Howard Taylor had horses with the Nobles.
Could answer a lot of questions.
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It is much worse. Burke probably won more purse money that night than Noble earns all year.
How is one trainer light years ahead of everyone else?
Agree
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The Nobles will be racing all their horses out of retention on Sunday-Even their New Zealand bred, who raced normal. I wonder if Sinbad and Naturally Gifted were assigned the 7 and 8-hole?
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Have won 5 in a row as trainer and their next 4 starters are favorites. Damn they can classify one. Or was it an equipment change? Or did they race without shoes? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Have won 5 in a row as trainer and their next 4 starters are favorites. Damn they can classify one. Or was it an equipment change? Or did they race without shoes? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
7 in a row after 2 wins tonight
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they’ve won 15 of their last 16 starts
the only defeat was a 2nd place finish in Delaware to Charlie May
their horse paced in 1:49.3 that day.
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ARE NOBLE TRAINED HORSES IN DETENTI0N AT NFLD?
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She has to be there 6 hrs before 1st race post. But if your using something in the group like Propantheline bromide or any class of antimuscarinic medication , they are just has effective 6 12 or 18 hrs out. In fact if you were to go 4 hrs out they will not reach their full effect as 12-14
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they’ve won 15 of their last 16 starts
the only defeat was a 2nd place finish in Delaware to Charlie May
their horse paced in 1:49.3 that day.
One of their horses won’t win tonight. 2 in the Open ngc3
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Keep an eye out for the entries to the PEM online sale Friday...one interesting entrant
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https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,101803
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Keep an eye out for the entries to the PEM online sale Friday...one interesting entrant
Is it a secret you can''t share?