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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: JT on August 29, 2025, 08:16:50 PM
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So when I first joined this forum a little over a year ago, it was mainly to take my mind off of things. It's been a wild ride so far. I've talked to alot of good people, and some not so good. My Dad was fighting cancer at that time. He lost his battle in November on my Mother's birthday ironically enough. Today is his birthday and he would have been 77. He taught me alot about being a hard worker, a dedicated husband, the value of a dollar earned, horses, betting, racing.. and I could go on forever. So the best way I can pay homage to him on a horse racing forum is to post the very first LBJ he saw in person. I will miss him tremendously during LBJ week. The year.. 1970. Most Happy Fella with the great Stanley Dancer. It took a 3rd heat.. back then a horse needed to win two heats to win the jug...RIP Pop.
PS no need to have the volume down it's pre Roger Huston. I think it's Charlie Hinkle but I could be wrong.
https://youtu.be/Zzz-MZinVdQ?si=2-_jSJPmOgwrJNT9
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Thanks for sharing.
Sorry about your pop. I lost my dad as well to Cancer.
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Thanks for sharing.
Sorry about your pop. I lost my dad as well to Cancer.
Thanks Kirby. Yeah cancer sucks.
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I am sorry for your loss. Never easy.
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Thank you posting.Columbia George was a very good pacer. Roland Beaulieu deserves a lot of credit for campaigning him, though with a Grand Circuit driver, he may have been even better.
I lament the implementation of the passing lane.
Imagine the fines Ohio could have collected, had the whipping rule been in effect 55 years ago. I thought Mike Lachance was the toughest driver with the whip, but Stanley doesn’t take a backseat in that category.
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So when I first joined this forum a little over a year ago, it was mainly to take my mind off of things. It's been a wild ride so far. I've talked to alot of good people, and some not so good. My Dad was fighting cancer at that time. He lost his battle in November on my Mother's birthday ironically enough. Today is his birthday and he would have been 77. He taught me alot about being a hard worker, a dedicated husband, the value of a dollar earned, horses, betting, racing.. and I could go on forever. So the best way I can pay homage to him on a horse racing forum is to post the very first LBJ he saw in person. I will miss him tremendously during LBJ week. The year.. 1970. Most Happy Fella with the great Stanley Dancer. It took a 3rd heat.. back then a horse needed to win two heats to win the jug...RIP Pop.
PS no need to have the volume down it's pre Roger Huston. I think it's Charlie Hinkle but I could be wrong.
https://youtu.be/Zzz-MZinVdQ?si=2-_jSJPmOgwrJNT9
Happy birthday JT's Dad!
Your Sonny boy hit a pick 5 today...keep sending him the good shit from the therever tmbz1
Nice memorial JT.
Your dad completed his mission, well accomplished. The stronger the love the more difficult in the missing, being a survivor.
The LBJ will be bitter sweet so honor you dad the way he'd want to be honored - to surmise - WIN - and have a great time with your brother and family! tmbz1
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Nice memorial JT..
We gave another coincidence...My dad would have been 101 on Wednesday. Leukemia many years ago.
He loved the track and handicapping but was always ultra conservative.
We would hit Belmont or the Big A. Stay for 8 races. $2 to place on 8 races. Never swayed from that.
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I am sorry for your loss. Never easy.
Thanks SD.. tmbz1 I enjoy your posts
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Thank you posting.Columbia George was a very good pacer. Roland Beaulieu deserves a lot of credit for campaigning him, though with a Grand Circuit driver, he may have been even better.
I lament the implementation of the passing lane.
Imagine the fines Ohio could have collected, had the whipping rule been in effect 55 years ago. I thought Mike Lachance was the toughest driver with the whip, but Stanley doesn’t take a backseat in that category.
Back then it was no holds barred. I love when Stanley throws his whip at the finish line. Columbia George was a very underrated horse 11.wp
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Happy birthday JT's Dad!
Your Sonny boy hit a pick 5 today...keep sending him the good shit from the therever tmbz1
Nice memorial JT.
Your dad completed his mission, well accomplished. The stronger the love the more difficult in the missing, being a survivor.
The LBJ will be bitter sweet so honor you dad the way he'd want to be honored - to surmise - WIN - and have a great time with your brother and family! tmbz1
Thanks brother.. he will definitely send us a few winners no doubt. We have a great time there win or lose. I always tell people.. its a really rough week, betting horses and eating fair food for 5 straight days ngc3
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Nice memorial JT..
We gave another coincidence...My dad would have been 101 on Wednesday. Leukemia many years ago.
He loved the track and handicapping but was always ultra conservative.
We would hit Belmont or the Big A. Stay for 8 races. $2 to place on 8 races. Never swayed from that.
Thanks bello, my Pop was conservative with his betting as well. He liked to play straight bets, no boxing or keying..and yes another thing in common, both are Dad's are Virgo's. Didn't you tell a story about few weeks back about the 4-4 daily double? That is the one my wife's Grandmother played at the dog track.
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Yep, the 4-4 doubles were my father in law. Surrounded by gambling. You should see me mom. 95 years old, in independent living and has an afternoon poker game with the men. Never loses.
I am watching a great movie right now on TCM regarding gambling called Any Number Can Play.
Tuning off horseplop to watch the rest
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Yep, the 4-4 doubles were my father in law. Surrounded by gambling. You should see me mom. 95 years old, in independent living and has an afternoon poker game with the men. Never loses.
I am watching a great movie right now on TCM regarding gambling called Any Number Can Play.
Tuning off horseplop to watch the rest
Great story.. have a good evening and congrats on the wins today
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So when I first joined this forum a little over a year ago, it was mainly to take my mind off of things. It's been a wild ride so far. I've talked to alot of good people, and some not so good. My Dad was fighting cancer at that time. He lost his battle in November on my Mother's birthday ironically enough. Today is his birthday and he would have been 77. He taught me alot about being a hard worker, a dedicated husband, the value of a dollar earned, horses, betting, racing.. and I could go on forever. So the best way I can pay homage to him on a horse racing forum is to post the very first LBJ he saw in person. I will miss him tremendously during LBJ week. The year.. 1970. Most Happy Fella with the great Stanley Dancer. It took a 3rd heat.. back then a horse needed to win two heats to win the jug...RIP Pop.
PS no need to have the volume down it's pre Roger Huston. I think it's Charlie Hinkle but I could be wrong.
https://youtu.be/Zzz-MZinVdQ?si=2-_jSJPmOgwrJNT9
thanks for sharing
sorry for your loss
the announcer was the legendary Stan Bergstein
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thanks for sharing
sorry for your loss
the announcer was the legendary Stan Bergstein
Thanks Pap.. one of my favorite posters on here..a wealth of knowledge. I knew Charlie called there in the sixties, but I wasn't sure of this particular race.
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thanks for sharing
sorry for your loss
the announcer was the legendary Stan Bergstein
Papillon you are just to fast for me. While you were posting I was looking up how to spell Bergstein.
I also lost my dad to cancer.
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So when I first joined this forum a little over a year ago, it was mainly to take my mind off of things. It's been a wild ride so far. I've talked to alot of good people, and some not so good. My Dad was fighting cancer at that time. He lost his battle in November on my Mother's birthday ironically enough. Today is his birthday and he would have been 77. He taught me alot about being a hard worker, a dedicated husband, the value of a dollar earned, horses, betting, racing.. and I could go on forever. So the best way I can pay homage to him on a horse racing forum is to post the very first LBJ he saw in person. I will miss him tremendously during LBJ week. The year.. 1970. Most Happy Fella with the great Stanley Dancer. It took a 3rd heat.. back then a horse needed to win two heats to win the jug...RIP Pop.
PS no need to have the volume down it's pre Roger Huston. I think it's Charlie Hinkle but I could be wrong.
I am a sucker for wonderful posts like this as they always get to me and i hope that never stops,
https://youtu.be/Zzz-MZinVdQ?si=2-_jSJPmOgwrJNT9
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Papillon you are just to fast for me. While you were posting I was looking up how to spell Bergstein.
I also lost my dad to cancer.
Sorry about your Dad as well. I knew one of you guys would know the race caller
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Any1Left.. it's great to have you back posting occasionally. I hope the poker tables have been treating you well. Thanks for the kind words. tmbz1
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Papillon you are just to fast for me. While you were posting I was looking up how to spell Bergstein.
I also lost my dad to cancer.
please don't hold my youth against me tmbz1
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Thank you for sharing this. A very touching tribute. Keep the memories and the experiences going, and be present with them. I am sorry for your loss, but glad you have been able to cherish and enjoy the life experiences.
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Happy Heavenly Birthday to your Pops.
Thank you for sharing JT, I really enjoyed watching the LBJ race you shared.
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Thank you for sharing this. A very touching tribute. Keep the memories and the experiences going, and be present with them. I am sorry for your loss, but glad you have been able to cherish and enjoy the life experiences.
Another one of my favorite posters on here. Thanks Grandstand. Yeah our box in the grandstand at the LBJ will be in our family forever. Originally in my Grandpa's name, then in my Dad's name, now mine. New memories will be made and I guess I am the patriarch now. Man it sucks getting old.
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Happy Heavenly Birthday to your Pops.
Thank you for sharing JT, I really enjoyed watching the LBJ race you shared.
Thanks Swank.. I always enjoy your posts and kindness. Yeah if you are bored the earlier heats were great as well. This was the year before Nansemond with Herve Fillion upset Albatross in 1971.. when Stanley Dancer famously said all he had to do was show up in Delaware with the big bird and he would win the jug. Herve had other ideas. My first LBJ was Niatross in 1980. I was 5, almost 6 years old. My parents always called me in sick to school for LBJ week, although the kids that go to Delaware Hayes schools get Thursday off now.
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Sorry for your loss JT.
My father passed 26 years ago but for many years we went together to YR, RR, M1, Belmont, and Aqueduct.
We saw a lot of the greats race in person, and it was fun to take in a card of TB's in the day and a card of harness in the same night, great memories.
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Sorry for your loss JT.
My father passed 26 years ago but for many years we went together to YR, RR, M1, Belmont, and Aqueduct.
We saw a lot of the greats race in person, and it was fun to take in a card of TB's in the day and a card of harness in the same night, great memories.
Thanks kantseeback. Cherish the memories, I know that I will. Pop's and I saw so many great races over the years. Back in the day you had to reserve a grandstand ticket at Scioto in their massive grandstand and I would do that for him,me and my brother. I always got us right at the wire, but he would always mess with me and say.. these seats aren't bad, but we are not right on the finish line, we need to move over a seat or two. ngc3
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Message from God Almighty...
"I have to layoff JT's Dad's action, he's getting too consistently good at our Parimutuel Chariot Race Cards!" ngc3
It seems like GOD can learn a thing a or two from MST doing Satan's work down here! ;D
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ngc3
Message from God Almighty...
"I have to layoff JT's Dad's action, he's getting too consistently good at our Parimutuel Chariot Race Cards!" ngc3
It seems like GOD can learn a thing a or two from MST doing Satan's work down here! ;D
ngc3.. He was a great handicapper. His best 2 lessons for me... #1 Go with your first instinct. #2 Study long.. Study wrong
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ngc3 ngc3.. He was a great handicapper. His best 2 lessons for me... #1 Go with your first instinct. #2 Study long.. Study wrong
This is legend advice. Not a statistician by any means, but by my calculation, your gut is right 75% of the time.
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This is legend advice. Not a statistician by any means, but by my calculation, your gut is right 75% of the time.
This advice has served me well countless times. You look at a program page.. within 5 minutes a strong opinion is formed. If you keep looking, you try and talk yourself out of what you initially thought or in your words "what your gut thought". tmbz1
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So when I first joined this forum a little over a year ago, it was mainly to take my mind off of things. It's been a wild ride so far. I've talked to alot of good people, and some not so good. My Dad was fighting cancer at that time. He lost his battle in November on my Mother's birthday ironically enough. Today is his birthday and he would have been 77. He taught me alot about being a hard worker, a dedicated husband, the value of a dollar earned, horses, betting, racing.. and I could go on forever. So the best way I can pay homage to him on a horse racing forum is to post the very first LBJ he saw in person. I will miss him tremendously during LBJ week. The year.. 1970. Most Happy Fella with the great Stanley Dancer. It took a 3rd heat.. back then a horse needed to win two heats to win the jug...RIP Pop.
PS no need to have the volume down it's pre Roger Huston. I think it's Charlie Hinkle but I could be wrong.
https://youtu.be/Zzz-MZinVdQ?si=2-_jSJPmOgwrJNT9
Very Nice tribute JT. Thanks for your post and video.
My father passed at a very young age and we went to Belmont, Big A, and Roosevelt Raceway all the time. He taught me everything. I said my tribute to him would be being the father to my kids that he was to me.
I can clearly see from your posts you’re a good man and your Dad was a great example for you and your family.
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Very Nice tribute JT. Thanks for your post and video.
My father passed at a very young age and we went to Belmont, Big A, and Roosevelt Raceway all the time. He taught me everything. I said my tribute to him would be being the father to my kids that he was to me.
I can clearly see from your posts you’re a good man and your Dad was a great example for you and your family.
I'm sorry to here that. My Pop's Dad died when he was 18.. so I never got to meet him.. That is a great tribute to your Dad, the father you are to your children. Unfortunately me wife and I could not have kids.. we lost 3 children. The last one , our daughter, a stillborn. That has been many years ago. The only thing that gives me a level of comfort from his passing is that he is with my kids now.
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Sorry for your loss JT.....My dad is gone also .he use to take me out of school to go to the jug from like 2nd grade on...I go for the week since I became an adulr.Camp there all week now days..its like Xmas to me....now days my whole family comes down on jug day... My Dad always said it should be a Holiday!!!!
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Sorry for your loss JT.....My dad is gone also .he use to take me out of school to go to the jug from like 2nd grade on...I go for the week since I became an adulr.Camp there all week now days..its like Xmas to me....now days my whole family comes down on jug day... My Dad always said it should be a Holiday!!!!
Thank you..I'll call ya GP. I could tell from your previous posts that you follow the Ohio racing scene. I am sorry about your Dad, but cherish the memories. We get lots of family members from around Ohio to come as well. They each get a day... we only have 8 tickets in our box so not enough to go around for everyone for everyday. Your Dad was right, it should be a holiday. My Dad on Wednesday evening would always say he hated to see tomorrow come.. meaning jug day. After 4 straight days of racing and fun with family, he knew jug day was the last day and he knew we would have to wait 51 weeks for it to arrive again. I take the week before LBJ week off work and the wife and I go to Cape Hatteras NC.Then I take LBJ week off as well. 17 days of no work.. except handicapping races ;D
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Columbia George and trueluck had many great battles as Colum,bia George beat him most of the time except could not beat him at Freehold, Back then it was not 3-5 on barn changes and the super trainers trained the young one and to fast a pace would send you to defeat. I think i was born at the track as back then i would wait for race 3 to end and ask people for their programs on the way out and sell them for a buck but at the TBreds it was was better as people would give me racing forms and programs and security would chase me 3or 4 times a week but it was fun. I have never seen something like this as everyone is being kind to each other. The one great thing about Greenwood in those days was i would learn how to swear in many languages . The good old days when windows were broke and fixed every other race. Ty JT as i can almost feel your days of old
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Columbia George and trueluck had many great battles as Colum,bia George beat him most of the time except could not beat him at Freehold, Back then it was not 3-5 on barn changes and the super trainers trained the young one and to fast a pace would send you to defeat. I think i was born at the track as back then i would wait for race 3 to end and ask people for their programs on the way out and sell them for a buck but at the TBreds it was was better as people would give me racing forms and programs and security would chase me 3or 4 times a week but it was fun. I have never seen something like this as everyone is being kind to each other. The one great thing about Greenwood in those days was i would learn how to swear in many languages . The good old days when windows were broke and fixed every other race. Ty JT as i can almost feel your days of old
Great story!!! When I was a teenager going to Scioto, I would root through the garbage cans to get a program. I was just a kid and didnt have alot to bet so every dollar saved meant alot.. kinda like sneaking candy into the movie theater. I am only 50..almost 51, but I think that I am a very old soul no doubt.
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JT, it seems that you spent a lot of time at Scioto. One really good horse that raced there and then came east to RR was Falcon Seelster, do you remember him?
https://youtu.be/eux68QPw8gU (https://youtu.be/eux68QPw8gU)
https://youtu.be/3goC50jhdjU (https://youtu.be/3goC50jhdjU)
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JT, it seems that you spent a lot of time at Scioto. One really good horse that raced there and then came east to RR was Falcon Seelster, do you remember him?
https://youtu.be/eux68QPw8gU (https://youtu.be/eux68QPw8gU)
https://youtu.be/3goC50jhdjU (https://youtu.be/3goC50jhdjU)
I never saw him at Scioto, I was to young to be there in 1985, only 11 years old.. I WAS there for that 151 mile in Delaware. That track record stood for I believe 11 years. Jenna's Beach Boy broke it on a Sunday as a 4 year old in the Senior Jug, and then Stand Forever with Johnny Campbell broke it on Thursday in the invitational the same year. Its a shame Falcon Seelster was not jug eligible, he might have beaten Nihilator that day.
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Great story!!! When I was a teenager going to Scioto, I would root through the garbage cans to get a program. I was just a kid and didnt have alot to bet so every dollar saved meant alot.. kinda like sneaking candy into the movie theater. I am only 50..almost 51, but I think that I am a very old soul no doubt.
I'm getting evicted from the North Pole. ngc3
You're being evicted from your ski resort just south of me. ngc3
Winners don't pick programs out of garbage pails, or in my case half eaten track dogs! ngc3
Hold on...I'm getting a message from your Dad and my Grandpa...
You better WIN today snapperheads! ;D
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I'm getting evicted from the North Pole. ngc3
You're being evicted from your ski resort just south of me. ngc3
Winners don't pick programs out of garbage pails, or in my case half eaten track dogs! ngc3
Hold on...I'm getting a message from your Dad and my Grandpa...
You better WIN today snapperheads! ;D
Hey I hit one yesterday unfortunately it paid 80 bucks and the ticket was for 120 ngc3
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Hey I hit one yesterday unfortunately it paid 80 bucks and the ticket was for 120 ngc3
tmbz1
I know, I commented on it. tmbz1
Was the highlight of my day yesterday! ngc3
I feel reborn today! tmbz1
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I never saw him at Scioto, I was to young to be there in 1985, only 11 years old.. I WAS there for that 151 mile in Delaware. That track record stood for I believe 11 years. Jenna's Beach Boy broke it on a Sunday as a 4 year old in the Senior Jug, and then Stand Forever with Johnny Campbell broke it on Thursday in the invitational the same year. Its a shame Falcon Seelster was not jug eligible, he might have beaten Nihilator that day.
In that 151 track record race it looked like he had plenty left in the tank down the stretch, Harmer was sitting chilly in the bike, no urging at all. I agree with you, he would have given Nihilator a run for his money that day.
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After the first few sequences.. I was done. Made my ribeyes, built a kick ass fire in my firepit and sat around it listening to music. If that was your highlight...I don't even know what to say to that. ngc3
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In that 151 track record race it looked like he had plenty left in the tank down the stretch, Harmer was sitting chilly in the bike, no urging at all. I agree with you, he would have given Nihilator a run for his money that day.
He did have a little more to give.. If memory serves Nihalator went a full second slower that day. Like alot of races at Delaware post draw would have been huge.
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I never saw him at Scioto, I was to young to be there in 1985, only 11 years old.. I WAS there for that 151 mile in Delaware. That track record stood for I believe 11 years. Jenna's Beach Boy broke it on a Sunday as a 4 year old in the Senior Jug, and then Stand Forever with Johnny Campbell broke it on Thursday in the invitational the same year. Its a shame Falcon Seelster was not jug eligible, he might have beaten Nihilator that day.
I believe he would have beaten Nihilator if the draws were similar
as we discussed-Harmer had a completely different mentality than any other driver-understanding that slowing the pace down was not a good thing for Falcon Seelster-he did his best work bottoming out fields-he would eliminate half the field mathematically by setting fractions that others could not overcome-also-he went around the half mile ovals more efficiently than any horse I could think of-now .... or since then