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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Billsmafia on August 25, 2025, 02:54:03 PM
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Here’s a bit of a head scratcher.
Monday, September 25
Saratoga Harness race 6, 7 horse field
The three favorites finished in the money at odds of 2-1, 5-2 and 1-1.
Normally you would expect very low show prices. In this seven horse field however the show prices were $6.30, $7.50 and $4.30. How is this possible?
Apparently some astute handicapper decided to bet $1,000 to show on #6, Southwind Banshee (33-1). Southwind Banshee had $98 to win bet on him, $51 to place and $1,019 to show, which was almost 2/3 of the entire show pool.
The driver, first drive on Southwind Banshee in at least the last eight starts was Peter Gerry, with a UDR of .090. By the way the horse stayed flat but finished last.
All reasonable explanations are appreciated.
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Offshore betting manipulation. They bet 1000 on a horse that has no chance to show then bet 10000 offshore to show on the obvious choice and get paid track price. I think there was a thread about this last week too. Its a great idea until you get caught
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Offshore betting manipulation. They bet 1000 on a horse that has no chance to show then bet 10000 offshore to show on the obvious choice and get paid track price. I think there was a thread about this last week too. Its a great idea until you get caught
tmbz1
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Last week, this was successfully pulled off at least twice at Northville, as discussed in another post.
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You wouldn't believe how many people hit the wrong track and bet the right race & numbers, just the wrong track...
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You wouldn't believe how many people hit the wrong track and bet the right race & numbers, just the wrong track...
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this was pool manipulation and it is becoming more common with the smaller pools every year
I have also heard "some drunk owner" bet his horse ngc3
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For us in Canada...
For example, Bet365 off shore ponies wired into Ontario HPI pool so there is no screwing around there..but im SURE its in other spots
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this was pool manipulation and it is becoming more common with the smaller pools every year
I have also heard "some drunk owner" bet his horse ngc3
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That has been known to happen, but not in this case. Definitely pool manipulation.Betw een the CAW and this, some of these smaller tracks are really getting unplayable. The last month or so you could really notice it at Finger Lakes. I won't play there this week and I didn't last either.
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Offshore betting manipulation. They bet 1000 on a horse that has no chance to show then bet 10000 offshore to show on the obvious choice and get paid track price. I think there was a thread about this last week too. Its a great idea until you get caught
is it illegal?
Does an on track bet like that get flagged?
Is anyone paying attention?
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This has been going on for decades. Nothing new, astute bettors look for it and can capitalize on it
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CAW
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CAW
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CAW action goes in to the pools and get rebated
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This has been going on for decades. Nothing new, astute bettors look for it and can capitalize on it
There is no way for anyone to look for it. The large dump show bet comes in late nobody has the chnace to see ut and bet accordingly. You think these people advertise the bet early? GTFO
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There is no way for anyone to look for it. The large dump show bet comes in late nobody has the chnace to see ut and bet accordingly. You think these people advertise the bet early? GTFO
You can think that but you're wrong. Some times they're late but many times the show bet is posted with plenty of time to place bets. I've caught many of them.
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You can think that but you're wrong. Some times they're late but many times the show bet is posted with plenty of time to place bets. I've caught many of them.
ngc3
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You can think that but you're wrong. Some times they're late but many times the show bet is posted with plenty of time to place bets. I've caught many of them.
A pool manipulation show bet? Name just 1 of your many
examples where an intentional dump was telegraphed with plenty of time for you to see it
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A pool manipulation show bet? Name just 1 of your many
examples where an intentional dump was telegraphed with plenty of time for you to see it
I hit one last week at the Meadows where I saw there was $1000 to show on a 45-1 shot. I have also orchestrated 3-4 successfully. Mob syndicates do this often. Mostly done at lower handle tracks. Some are definitely visible early enough to catch them....
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I hit one last week at the Meadows where I saw there was $1000 to show on a 45-1 shot. I have also orchestrated 3-4 successfully. Mob syndicates do this often. Mostly done at lower handle tracks. Some are definitely visible early enough to catch them....
There is no evidence of that at the Meadows last week. What race sis this happen
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I hit one last week at the Meadows where I saw there was $1000 to show on a 45-1 shot. I have also orchestrated 3-4 successfully. Mob syndicates do this often. Mostly done at lower handle tracks. Some are definitely visible early enough to catch them....
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I call total bullshit on that. Who hurt you?
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I call total bullshit on that. Who hurt you?
Panhandling would be a way better use of time than sitting around monitoring the smallest show pools in harness racing waiting for a show dump that occurs a coupoenof times a year.
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I hit one last week at the Meadows where I saw there was $1000 to show on a 45-1 shot. I have also orchestrated 3-4 successfully. Mob syndicates do this often. Mostly done at lower handle tracks. Some are definitely visible early enough to catch them....
ngc3
first off--you cannot see the dump-it comes in after the race starts
2nd off-- ngc3
to execute one of these, it takes:
A) an off shore account
B) a few hundred dollars
C) some intelligence
you are ruled out of executing one because you don't have any of the above three
ngc3
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There is no evidence of that at the Meadows last week. What race sis this happen
.. 7-5 shot paid $7+ to show. Dont care if you dont believe me... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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ngc3
first off--you cannot see the dump-it comes in after the race starts
2nd off-- ngc3
to execute one of these, it takes:
A) an off shore account
B) a few hundred dollars
C) some intelligence
you are ruled out of executing one because you don't have any of the above three
ngc3
YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 We've seen the dump many times! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And it takes more than a few hundred dollars DUUUUUUHHH!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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.. 7-5 shot paid $7+ to show. Dont care if you dont believe me... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Im not how much more simple this can be. What day and what race?
There was no example of this last week at the Meadows.
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.. 7-5 shot paid $7+ to show. Dont care if you dont believe me... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Nobody on here believes you.. not one single person.
Furthermore Papillon has forgotten more about racing then you will ever know.. in fact, he's pretty much always right...so go crawl back in your hole ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Who hurt you?
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I hit one last week at the Meadows where I saw there was $1000 to show on a 45-1 shot. I have also orchestrated 3-4 successfully. Mob syndicates do this often. Mostly done at lower handle tracks. Some are definitely visible early enough to catch them....
Never mentioned it here ngc3
Tell us about the mob syndicate that deploys a G for a show bet which toyset of yours were you talking about ngc3
Talking about a previous never mentioned win...That's called red boarding / past posting dweevildumb. ngc3
The only thing you hit is dickfist. ngc3
Why you're so angry and can't get it up as the dick rejects the hand, well look who it is attached to.... ngc3
A FUCKING ZERO NOBODY NOTHING! ;D
What a fucking lying loser! ;D
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I remember a buddy and I were at the "Big A" when a guy told us he was betting $50 to show on 4 horses in a 5 horse field. The 1-9 favorite had 95% of the show money. I asked him if he was "nuts". Well, I of course, I had to eat crow. The chalk ran 4th, and this guy scored Big. Monster show prices. He cashed over 5G in bets. I had $20 bucks on the winner. He paid $12.80.
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Nobody on here believes you.. not one single person.
Furthermore Papillon has forgotten more about racing then you will ever know.. in fact, he's pretty much always right...so go crawl back in your hole ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Who hurt you?
I dont care I'm laughing all the way to the bank!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I dont care I'm laughing all the way to the bank!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
You mean your piggy bank. Who hurt you? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 73cv.2
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JT whoever hurt Pacer 2 he had it coming and then some and it hasn't been nearly paid in full, but we've all witnessed with our own 2 eyes every time the loser puts fingers to a keyboard he hurts himself. ngc3
One of the dumbest beings that walks the face of the earth graces us, and proud he's of it - Pacer 2. ;D
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I dont care I'm laughing all the way to the bank!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Are you also in the bottle cap recycling business? Might be better than waiting for show dumps