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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: toothman on August 06, 2025, 10:21:00 PM
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Edita was interviewed, passionately advocating for the animals
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To ALL YOU STANDARDBRED / T-BRED HORSEMAN AND HORSE OWNERS -
Those of you who relied on these beautiful horses to make money, have your fun, whether it worked out , or not, please consider being responsibility and when the racing career is over, the breeding career happens or not, and if no other alternatives the horse enjoys please consider them your PET Property and if you love them your family.
Horses do not belong on pavement, and hot weather weather is horrible. How about a nice pasture. We all who get old usually get vulnerable, your relatives too, they go in an ALF, we do not throw them into a volcano.
Because if you don't I hope you and your entire human family see a grueling and horrible end!!! ;D
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To ALL YOU STANDARDBRED / T-BRED HORSEMAN AND HORSE OWNERS -
Those of you who relied on these beautiful horses to make money, have your fun, whether it worked out , or not, please consider being responsibility and when the racing career is over, the breeding career happens or not, and if no other alternatives the horse enjoys please consider them your PET Property and if you love them your family.
Horses do not belong on pavement, and hot weather weather is horrible. How about a nice pasture. We all who get old usually get vulnerable, your relatives too, they go in an ALF, we do not throw them into a volcano.
Because if you don't I hope you and your entire human family see a grueling and horrible end!!! ;D
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I was there for the whole disgusting mess. A Standardbred mare 15 years old. So just another example of how well harness racing cares for what it creates while on welfare. Edita called me freaking out I was 12 blocks up from 51st and ran. They just scraped her up trying to hide reality again. The stable manager invited me into his office for a chat. All bullshit, he's been a horseman for over 40 years from Ireland. The rub is he's the guy in the videos trying to give a dead horse water because he didn't know how to take her pulse or knew she was dead. Had a huge rally yesterday I got to speak again and probably made the best speech I have yet I actually choked myself up. None of these people have a fucking clue about a horse and the only cure is end it. Found another dead lame Standardbred in the park the same day. Third pic below I was thumb pointing over my shoulder calling their stable an equine prison.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/SKKZX0J5okg?si=R-8K2EFMRYKJ9Q2C
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Example. No clue he's off or just doesn't care. I know this driver well. He couldn't care less. He told me he will kick my ass he's a MMA fighter. I thought he was Dan Rawlings for a second.
https://youtu.be/2PCBrN2YJHM?si=su4mI7gi4Y-xs25i
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So F-ing sad.. poor horse should be enjoying retirement on a nice farm somewhere.
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Example. No clue he's off or just doesn't care. I know this driver well. He couldn't care less. He told me he will kick my ass he's a MMA fighter. I thought he was Dan Rawlings for a second.
https://youtu.be/2PCBrN2YJHM?si=su4mI7gi4Y-xs25i
That was horrible to watch. So lame and pulling a buggy on hot asphalt. SICKENING!!
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What are the facts on where sb and tb horses go after racing?
What are the current programs to provide them an after racing life?
What are some ideas to increase the number getting a safe and healthy life after racing?
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What are the facts on where sb and tb horses go after racing?
What are the current programs to provide them an after racing life?
What are some ideas to increase the number getting a safe and healthy life after racing?
Far more often than not they go to a bad place. With ours it's usually the Amish or the death pipeline. This isn't 100 years ago, how many people are actually seeking a horse? There just are nowhere near enough homes for the amount of animals either sport creates then tosses. Most of the Standardbreds I find in the city have the same story. Raced, usually amounted to little. Ended up pulling a buggy for years. And then to wring more money out of them they sell them or lease them cheap to these FUCKINGGGG idiots in NYC. I still can't believe that fuck came up to me angry I posted the facts about him on my FB group. Watching him trying to pour water into the mouth of a dead mare laying on her side on a NYC street blew my fucking mind. Yeah she just needs a sip of water she'll come out of it. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 As long as there's racing, there will be breeding. We all know what keeps it going. And each year there a less spots for them after the fact. The public has no clue, yet. That doesn't include the other shit we all talk about going on that is funded by the states. If you really want a jolt, stop in Central Park and walk by a Standardbred, then you'll understand what I mean.
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Yes the horse died. Did he die of cruelty a autopsy will prove. I have had horses die in the stall and one just walking. Both had heart issues. If you think carraige horses are cruelty it is a non sequiter that this horrse died because of it. If an autopsy says otherwise I will say otherwise. Until then I would wait for the report. Before you attack me , I have turned down thousands and have many standardbreds I have owned adopted. That horse in the video looks horrible. Whether you like it or not the Amish will always have horses, do we as in industry need to support that, likely not. However, if not retired standardbreds they will just breed their own for the purpose. They already do. That is reality because that is their form of transport for hundreds of years.
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All animals die for various reasons......dogs, cats, birds, fish.
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All animals die for various reasons......dogs, cats, birds, fish.
Each and every time you speak you only prove that you have a no higher than kindergarten level understanding of everything. ;D
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I grew up in NYC and watched carriage horses around Central Park for a long as I can remember. I thought it was "cute' as a kid. I'm a "grown-up" now and realize it ain't to cute. I am 100% against all carriage horses in NYC. If you want romance, walk the park.
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You can tell who the abusive scumbags are here by their posts. Horses die? Ok jerkoffs, lemme ask you all this. In this sport how do we for the most part care for the animals? What do we always make sure they have or have access to. Nice clean stall. We are constantly all over them making sure they are safe, healthy and sound. They work how long each day? Come back get a real bath and put back in their stall to dry, eat hay and drink. Take them back out maybe turn them out before or after working. Put them on cross ties, put them away. Get their dinners, pick up their stalls, make sure water is always topped off and clean. Most of us know how to read a horse, how to recognize an issue before it happens. We can tell when they aren't acting right. We don't wait until it's too late to do what's right or call the vet. We can see all the signals of issues. We know the basics for emergencies. Right? The horses in NYC live in a box stall with no windows two stories off the street. They're in harness pulling a carriage 10 hours a day on asphalt. Doesn't matter what the weather is until the city forces them to go back to the stables. If they aren't working they're trapped in these equine prisons as I refer to them. They aren't walked, nobody in these places has a fucking clue what they are looking at. Most have ZERO experience with horses, they take a two day course with the NYC DOH and boom, a driver. They never see a blade of grass or spend a second in a paddock where they can be a horse. They have a 50% mortality rate due to colic in NYC, I wonder why? New horses such as this mare come from life on a farm to thrown on the streets of NYC with no transition at all. Their own PR person stated that most loose weight dramatically the first two months then slowly recover, and calls that normal. Think they suffer from stress upon arrival in Manhattan? So digestive and cardiac issues are the biggest killer in the city. So my question to these fucking idiots here condoning this, you believe these are acceptable living conditions for any horse? This isn't 18 fucking 50.
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Harness Racing Revolution.....I agree with you 100%! Most city dwellers like myself would never take "the ride". It's a tourist based industry where rich spoiled out of towners sip hot chocolate and sit under a blanket as they watch healthy walker/runners go by. The industry should go. It's long overdue.
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Harness Racing Revolution.....I agree with you 100%! Most city dwellers like myself would never take "the ride". It's a tourist based industry where rich spoiled out of towners sip hot chocolate and sit under a blanket as they watch healthy walker/runners go by. The industry should go. It's long overdue.
Think you know how involved I am both documenting those horses and working with the mayor's office when they need help. I just emailed another to them and a note that this is on the city, they license these idiots. It's no place for any horse. I grew up on Staten Island, my parents had riding horses in Princes Bay. There were paddocks and places to actually ride. Now not so much and most of the stables on the island are closed. And the clowns here who say it's ok, I just ask would you leave a horse in Manhattan where these horses live?
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I caught this one same day that mare died and reported it today. A bit off???
https://youtu.be/2PCBrN2YJHM
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Forgot about this, running through Manhattan from Central Park to 51st Street after I got the call from Edita.
https://youtube.com/live/KYdbMu3NSgY
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maybe gillis can start in this business. he can give BB3 and have the fastest carriage in town.
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Retire in Style :
1. Stop the carriage tourism business in North America.
2. Communicate and expand the adoption process for retired track horses.
Alright, those are steps 1 and 2.
What would you do next?
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Harness Racing Revolution.....ye s I do follow your posts. I support your efforts !00%!
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Mike, was she freezebranded? Just curious if she was an Amish homegrown or USTA registered, and who she was. Terrible in any case.
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Mike, was she freezebranded? Just curious if she was an Amish homegrown or USTA registered, and who she was. Terrible in any case.
She went down on her right side and they got her out of there fast. Other than basic info they aren't saying anything, not even who the owner or driver were. Cornell will say if she was.
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She went down on her right side and they got her out of there fast. Other than basic info they aren't saying anything, not even who the owner or driver were. Cornell will say if she was.
Got it - Thank you.
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Even my haters can't actually agree with this clown.
https://youtu.be/OI9FQBtXvmE
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Even my haters can't actually agree with this clown.
https://youtu.be/OI9FQBtXvmE
Do you think Christina actually believes the Bullshit she spews?
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Retire in Style :
1. Stop the carriage tourism business in North America.
2. Communicate and expand the adoption process for retired track horses.
Alright, those are steps 1 and 2.
What would you do next?
What I would do is lobby for the fully legal and reasonably regulated use of horse meat for animal and also - perhaps - human consumption.
Horse meat is consumed by humans in France, Belguim, Mexicao, China and Khagazstan.
In the U.S., the very strict regulation of processing horses into a consumable product makes it too costly.
Hence the Harness Racing -->>Amish -->> Kill Buyers distribution channel exists.
Another barrier is, of course, the level of toxicity in U.S. Standardbreds due to the drugs - legal and otherwise - they are administered.
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What I would do is lobby for the fully legal and reasonably regulated use of horse meat for animal and also - perhaps - human consumption.
Horse meat is consumed by humans in France, Belguim, Mexicao, China and Khagazstan.
In the U.S., the very strict regulation of processing horses into a consumable product makes it too costly.
Hence the Harness Racing -->>Amish -->> Kill Buyers distribution channel exists.
Another barrier is, of course, the level of toxicity in U.S. Standardbreds due to the drugs - legal and otherwise - they are administered.
UPDATE: Lady died of aortic rupture. Shocker there. She was approved two months ago for full work days immediately upon her arrival in Manhattan purchased from an Amish farm. So there's that.
Now if you can put your disdain for me aside. I pretty much agree. I told a reporter two days ago that rather than see them go down the bad pipeline, it took me years to accept it's better to euthanize them. You are correct the biggest reason our horses especially cannot be consumed by humans overseas is God knows what has been injected into them. Sticking with just Standardbreds...n o more being tossed into a horrible situation. Just let them die in peace. However, that costs money and it also eliminates a profit. There's a lot of money in those meat pipelines right now. And if you want to go a step further in this game. 501c3 "rescues". They're rotating the warehousing of Standardbreds too who at the end of the year end up with the pink juice too. Same goes for the T-breds and Quarter Horses. Bottom line is the breeding far exceeds any possible forever homes. The Amish use them for transportation until no longer viable and those either end up in the pipeline or some just take them out back. Which at this point I find the better alternative compared to suffering.
P. S. I don't care who you are or what you think of me. I've spent A LOT of time down there in the city witnessing what they do and how those animals live. I really don't believe any of us here would approve.
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In the States, without making a profit, what is the cost of boarding a horse per month.
- field turnout with a shelter, multiple horses in same field
- hay and water
- not including vet bills
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Not sure that is the right metric. There are very few retired racehorses that won't need substantial vet care in their retirement years to keep them comfortable, and so while retiring them out in a field man lengthen their lifespan a bit, is it really humane? And let's face it, racehorses are used to living indoors and not roughing it.
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Not sure that is the right metric. There are very few retired racehorses that won't need substantial vet care in their retirement years to keep them comfortable, and so while retiring them out in a field man lengthen their lifespan a bit, is it really humane? And let's face it, racehorses are used to living indoors and not roughing it.
I do not agree with this. I would say most retired (standardbred) racehorses do not need extensive vet care after their race careers. Or, at least not more than the average horse. These things are pretty hardy. I've got 3 racehorses-turned-Amish cars, one certainly road foundered and is approaching 30 and just an average horse. Another half that age ridden regularly, easy keeper. The worst of the three (soundness/health wise) actually never raced and instead spent her time as a broodmare for some big farms but didn't produce so did come from the Amish, ultimately. Just because they aren't sound or talented enough to race doesn't mean they need extensive vet care upon retirement.
Also, keep in mind the majority of these things are raised on breeding farms where they spend a large majority of their first years outside, and the broodmares near 24/7. Sure, they enjoy a stall in the hot summer days and freezing winter nights, but they are far from frail.
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I don’t know if this horse was abused or not but jumping to conclusions is wrong. How many people die at work each year without being abused and nothing is said?
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NYPOST take
https://nypost.com/2025/08/08/us-news/cause-of-death-revealed-for-nyc-carriage-horse-lady-who-died-on-street-this-week/
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I don’t know about horse abuse but the barns is way than you would find on the backside of the track
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Would you take your horse whose seen nothing but green for 15 years then leave it in this situation to work for 47 weeks straight? Remember, just a 10x12 box stall two stories off the street with no windows. 10 hours a day in harness. Not a blade of grass or second in a field. Maybe it's just me, but I sure as shit wouldn't. Remember how we care for ours, and remember these horses come from farms to thrown on the streets of Manhattan. Stressed to the max. Yes it happens, but the way those horses exist in NYC is WRONG. Would you give your horse to a trainer who has never touched a horse before? Would you give your horse to a trainer who hires only grooms who have never touched a horse before? Would you leave your horse with people who become furious when someone points out their horse is lame, then refuses to diagnose and treat the issues? This is what over 90% of these people in those three stables are. The stable manager who invited me into that "stable" to talk said he has over 4 decades experience, started in Ireland where he's from. He had NO FUCKING IDEA the mare was dead while he was trying to give her water laying on the street, not clue how to take vitals. We would never do it to one of our own.
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I have 6 retirees age 20-26. It costs me roughly 2000 a month for bare essentials.. hay,grain,bedding, supplements. They are barefoot and trimmed every 6-8 weeks. This doesn't account for ANY vet work that may be needed ..
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I have 6 retirees age 20-26. It costs me roughly 2000 a month for bare essentials.. hay,grain,bedding, supplements. They are barefoot and trimmed every 6-8 weeks. This doesn't account for ANY vet work that may be needed ..
That's right because most farms if you can find them for rough turn out is usually around 300 a month. But being realistic, there's no way to home or care for the amount of horses there are in need, we're only talking about what this game creates. Those pens are filled with everything of every breed from foals to elder. But when I see these horses "specifically Standardbreds" in Manhattan, I've come to the conclusion they would be better off put down. It's torture for them or any horse.
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They need to tie these owners to the back of these carriages and make them walk around central park all day in the heat also.
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Open bridle.....great idea!