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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wizardofoz on July 07, 2025, 11:58:53 PM
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RACE 1 - Ocean Downs - MD - July 7, 2025
Conditions: MARYLAND SIRE STAKES 3 Year Old Colts & Geldings Preliminary No.2
Gait: Trot Purse: 10,000 Class: MDSS3YOCGT Distance: 1 mile Track Cond: FT Temp-Allow: 77-0 PM
HN Horse PP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Finish Actual LQ Odds Driver Trainer
4 Yall Keep Dreaming
3, Yall Beneath Me-
Upside Blue Chip 4 1/5H 1/12 1/25 1/25 1/22 1:54.3 29.3 *0.05 Johnathan Ahle Richard Hans
3 Roan Ridge
3, Il Mago-Travel Ridge 3 2/5H 2/12 2/25 2/25 2/22 1:59.0 29.0 12.90 Russell Foster Jason Walters
1 Swervingmervin
3, Il Mago-Tipsy Tiara 1 3/7H 3/13H 3/26H 3/27H 3/27 2:00.0 29.4 7.30 Declan Donoway Darren Ferrell
5 Tj Jadster
3, Il Mago-
Marlene And Grace 5 4/10 4/15 4/28 4/30 4/32T 2:01.1 30.3 24.30 William Carter Walter Bozman Jr
2 Onepotatatwototat a
3, Il Mago-
Muscles Lady Ann 2X 5/DIS 5X/DIS X5/DIS 5/DIS 5/DIS 33.60 Justin Vincent Leon Harris
Time: 28.2 56.4 (28.2) 1:25.0 (28.1) 1:54.3 (29.3)
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The Yonkers Trot went in the same time of 1:54:3. Stallion pedigree: https://www.msrfonline.com/files/stallions/2022/YALLBENEATHME.pdf
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I'm not following the 1/2 mile circuits, so I cheated and looked, nope, not that I can see.
Took the turns very well.
We're just talking about Magnitude in the T-breds, for me same kind of issue, bottom's out the field. They get these types to rate, it's more than likely the end of the season early for their competition.
That was a treat. Thank you.
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another Hans piece who is showing freakish talent over the half mile Ocean track
he has had a few-not just GooGoo GaGa
I would never underestimate Hans when he has a trotter that moves this well
surely he will grab the MDSS races at Ocean and Rosecroft-but it would be great if he raced vs Grand Circuit quality
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Hans should consider testing the waters against the best 3 year old trotters out there.
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YALL KEEP DREAMING
Ocean Downs - MD 07/16/25 Race 2 ENTRIES 7:00 PM (Wednesday)
Fastest 3yo Trotter 1/2 miler in the world right now!
Thanks Wizardofoz ;D
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i bet burke would give lots of money for him.
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You keep going back and it gets interesting for me.
Cams Rocket is a pacer, while mother Koras Trotter their offspring Googoo Gaagaa
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cams+rocket
Googoo Gaagaa & Jordanna Paige their offspring Yall Beaneth Me
Yall Beaneth Me & Upside Blue Chip their offspring is Yall Keep Dreaming
All brought to you by Richard Hans Stable
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As long as he stays in Maryland and races against MD bred rats, he'll do good! He is a nice horse, but he must be uncontrollable for them not to try and ration out that speed. I have seen horses like him fall apart when they actually have to race another horse of his caliber. But for now, as long as he stays trotting, he looks unbeatable for this circuit!
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As long as he stays in Maryland and races against MD bred rats, he'll do good! He is a nice horse, but he must be uncontrollable for them not to try and ration out that speed. I have seen horses like him fall apart when they actually have to race another horse of his caliber. But for now, as long as he stays trotting, he looks unbeatable for this circuit!
I agree with you, horse cannot rate.
The other stuff were good insights based Hans MO.
The stud fee on this horse's sire Yall Beneath Me is $30k, that's big if they're lined up for it.
Me agreeing with you, there might be hope for us yet! ;D
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https://www.msrfonline.com/stallions.html (Bottom of page)
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I agree with you, horse cannot rate.
The other stuff were good insights based Hans MO.
The stud fee on this horse's sire Yall Beneath Me is $30k, that's big if they're lined up for it.
Me agreeing with you, there might be hope for us yet! ;D
Not many lining up at those prices. Breeds his own and sells off some too. Doesn’t seem like he is that interested in others breeding to them if he’s asking 30k. Any stats on how many were bred to either one that weren’t bred by him?
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As long as he stays in Maryland and races against MD bred rats, he'll do good! He is a nice horse, but he must be uncontrollable for them not to try and ration out that speed. I have seen horses like him fall apart when they actually have to race another horse of his caliber. But for now, as long as he stays trotting, he looks unbeatable for this circuit!
you may very well be correct
but I feel he is 20-25 lengths faster vs what he has been facing-so it may appear "uncontrollable" I just think they are letting him trot as he pleases-freely and without being held back/rated
you never know with Hans--he may supplement him later in the year if he continues to look like this
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Not many lining up at those prices. Breeds his own and sells off some too. Doesn’t seem like he is that interested in others breeding to them if he’s asking 30k. Any stats on how many were bred to either one that weren’t bred by him?
tmbz1
Excellent, logical question.
YALL BENEATH ME STUD ANALYSIS
From 6 starters, sire of 5 in 2:00, with earnings of $648,941, including:
ONLY I EXIST (M) 2,1:57.2f; 3,1:56.1f-'24 ($293,006). At 2, winner leg
Maryland Sires S. at Ocean (2), Rosecroft (2), Final Maryland Sires
S. at Rosecroft, Ocean. At 3, winner leg Maryland Sires S. at Ocean
(2), Rosecroft (2), Final Maryland Sires S. at Rosecroft, Ocean,
Maryland Stbd. Race Fund at Ocean. (Get Rich Quick by Cantab
Hall)
YALL KEEP DREAMING 2,1:58.4f-'24 ($130,800). At 2, winner leg
Maryland Sires S. at Ocean (2), Rosecroft (2), Final Maryland Sires
S. at Rosecroft, Ocean, Maryland Stbd. Race Fund at Ocean.
(Upside Blue Chip by Dream Vacation)
War Pony 3,1:59.3f-'24 ($80,716). At 2, second in leg Maryland Sires S.
at Ocean (2), Rosecroft (2), Final Maryland Sires S. at Rosecroft;
third in Maryland Stbd. Race Fund at Ocean. At 3, third in leg
Maryland Sires S. at Ocean (2), Rosecroft, Final Maryland Sires S.
at Rosecroft, Ocean. (Upside Blue Chip by Dream Vacation)
YALL JUST LOVE ME (M) 2,1:57.1f-'24 ($78,797). At 2, winner leg and
Final Maryland Sires S. at Rosecroft; second in leg Maryland Sires
S. at Ocean, Rosecroft, Final Maryland Sires S. at Ocean.
(Likeavirgin Lindy by Like A Prayer)
Y'ALL KNOW ME (M) 2,1:58.4f-'24 ($45,222). At 2, winner leg Maryland
Sires S. at Rosecroft; second in leg Maryland Sires S. at Ocean,
Rosecroft, Final Maryland Sires S. at Rosecroft; third in Final
Maryland Sires S. at Ocean, Maryland Stbd. Race Fund at Ocean.
(World Tour by Muscles Yankee)
Yall Racing Snails 2,Q2:04.1h ($20,400). At 2, third in Final Maryland
Sires S. at Ocean. (Ginger Hanover by Donato Hanover)
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You keep going back and it gets interesting for me.
Cams Rocket is a pacer, while mother Koras Trotter their offspring Googoo Gaagaa
https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cams+rocket
Googoo Gaagaa & Jordanna Paige their offspring Yall Beaneth Me
Yall Beaneth Me & Upside Blue Chip their offspring is Yall Keep Dreaming
All brought to you by Richard Hans Stable
That’s interesting. I own a trotter bred by Richard Hans, and his mother is out of Cams Rocket too.
Has made $433k.
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That’s interesting. I own a trotter bred by Richard Hans, and his mother is out of Cams Rocket too.
Has made $433k.
tmbz1
Depending on how many years racing, but still that is a nice number.
I'm not sure how common it is, but before the - those - that say it's common, sometimes they produce a frankenstein breeding a pacer with a trotter, I'll feel vindicated.
Hope you have a lot of fun and find a lot of success in the game! :)
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The Swedes bred GooGooGaaGaa to some of their mares. It looks like they aren't concerned with having some pacing blood with their trotters
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The Swedes bred GooGooGaaGaa to some of their mares. It looks like they aren't concerned with having some pacing blood with their trotters
He is also now in Sweden and doing quite well as a sire there.
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tmbz1
Depending on how many years racing, but still that is a nice number.
I'm not sure how common it is, but before the - those - that say it's common, sometimes they produce a frankenstein breeding a pacer with a trotter, I'll feel vindicated.
Hope you have a lot of fun and find a lot of success in the game! :)
Thanks. He’s 9, and is as sure footed as they come. I count 2 breaks in the 5 years he’s raced for us.
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https://cloverleafsoa.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/wednesday-july-16-program.pdf
Be there (and get 1-20 odds) !!!
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https://cloverleafsoa.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/wednesday-july-16-program.pdf
Be there (and get 1-20 odds) !!!
But, but...it says 3-2. Won't I get $5.00 for my $2.00 bet? 53zva.1
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But, but...it says 3-2. Won't I get $5.00 for my $2.00 bet? 53zva.1
the 3/2 morning line is computer generated and irrelevant
race 6--#2 Ragtime Red will also pay $2.10 to win
both horses were minus win pools last week and with no place or show wagering they will be again
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1/9 and another sick performance. 155, won by a ton, and was in hand.
These other horses suck, this fella needs some competition.
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1:55.0 ALL ALONE again. Can't tell till he goes out of state. Doesn't seem like he's tugging
or pulling though. Just cruisin. tmbz1
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I certainly would NOT call his last two efforts "uncontrollable"
he looked very smooth and well within himself--could have gone 53 and change if they wanted
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I certainly would NOT call his last two efforts "uncontrollable"
he looked very smooth and well within himself--could have gone 53 and change if they wanted
tmbz1
3 wide into the first turn, very smooth, plus Ahle is taking him 2-3+ wide on all these turns.
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I complemented Ocean last week about how fast they were running them.
Well that was last week. Maybe got some advice from Gabe Pruitt. ;D
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I complemented Ocean last week about how fast they were running them.
Well that was last week. Maybe got some advice from Gabe Pruitt. ;D
they had a long delay due to a shoe repair
I think it was before race 3
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I complemented Ocean last week about how fast they were running them.
Well that was last week. Maybe got some advice from Gabe Pruitt. ;D
They moved them fast that night because of a storm that was coming!
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There has to be a reason they won't let Ahle grab him, maybe choking or breathing. If you noticed his last 1/4s are getting slower. But Either way he's way better than these.
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There has to be a reason they won't let Ahle grab him, maybe choking or breathing. If you noticed his last 1/4s are getting slower. But Either way he's way better than these.
why would you want Ahle "grabbing him"?--curious as to why you think that is a good idea
he is not runaway speed--just about 20 lengths better than the MDSS horses right now
just because he opens up double digit leads doesn't necessarily suggest he is "out of control" or "unrate-able"
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Definitely isn’t a runaway. My concern would be his last quarter being so slow if he ever faces real, stakes level competition.
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Definitely isn’t a runaway. My concern would be his last quarter being so slow if he ever faces real, stakes level competition.
it is difficult to judge a horse by his last quarter. when you are 3-4 seconds faster than the competiton..but many obsess over it
Ahle hasn't asked him for any speed all year so its hard to tell how much is in the tank
when you are up 10-20 lengths obviously there is no need to push him-so I don't understand what his final quarter has to do with anything
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Agree to a certain extent. Just not a fan of having a horse get used to lazy last quarters. But agree no need to push him for no reason.
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Super Chapter ran 2/5 off the Hambo stakes record, 3/5's and he'd beat it. Bad post and Monserrate good post, well it's a race then.
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Super Chapter ran 2/5 off the Hambo stakes record, 3/5's and he'd beat it. Bad post and Monserrate good post, well it's a race then.
unless Super Chapter gets beat in his Hambo elim-he wont draw a bad post-and he will probably be 1/5 in his elim since they "seed" the horses in the elims
most likely Maryland will be seeded in the other elim and it wont be a coincidence
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unless Super Chapter gets beat in his Hambo elim-he wont draw a bad post-and he will probably be 1/5 in his elim since they "seed" the horses in the elims
most likely Maryland will be seeded in the other elim and it wont be a coincidence
Maryland has been pushed to the brink in her last two races, should be interesting if she either busts out of it or is a bust out.
She can't beat horses that can't seemingly beat Super Chapter.
Let's call the last 2 races vigorous exercise.
It's still early. tmbz1
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Strong winds tonight, horse is extremely handy
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why would you want Ahle "grabbing him"?--curious as to why you think that is a good idea
he is not runaway speed--just about 20 lengths better than the MDSS horses right now
just because he opens up double digit leads doesn't necessarily suggest he is "out of control" or "unrate-able"
His last quarters are starting to show you why it's a bad idea and how much is in the "tank". Maybe ok against this bunch but what about when he meets real horses that can keep up with him. After he figures out, he's only got one way to race he will most likely sore up and start to regress. No competition will bore him, and he'll start to wait on them. Like I said there's a reason they are racing him this way and was wondering why? Thats all. I wish them the best with him!
But what do I know. Only been in the business since 1967 as Groom, Owner, Trainer Driver and Judge.
I'll listen to you professional trainers post your opinions just like I posted mine.
tmbz1
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His last quarters are starting to show you why it's a bad idea and how much is in the "tank". Maybe ok against this bunch but what about when he meets real horses that can keep up with him. After he figures out, he's only got one way to race he will most likely sore up and start to regress. No competition will bore him, and he'll start to wait on them. Like I said there's a reason they are racing him this way and was wondering why? Thats all. I wish them the best with him!
But what do I know. Only been in the business since 1967 as Groom, Owner, Trainer Driver and Judge.
I'll listen to you professional trainers post your opinions just like I posted mine.
tmbz1
when a trotter has a 15-20 length lead and the driver is sitting motionless and never asking for any speed--why would anyone stare at the final quarter and obsess over it? To me, the final quarter in these situations is completely meaningless and has NO indication about "how much is left in the tank"
we can have a difference of opinion--thats perfectly fine and why horse racing is great
we can disagree--no?
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His starts at chester tell you all you need to know. Not a runaway. Sat in a hole perfectly, moved first over, and passed good horses. Including daiquiri hanover (breeders crown elim winner who recently sold for 90 something thousand). Why are they rolling him at ocean? I dont know but I also dont think he is a runaway who can only beat slow rats.
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His starts at chester tell you all you need to know. Not a runaway. Sat in a hole perfectly, moved first over, and passed good horses. Including daiquiri hanover (breeders crown elim winner who recently sold for 90 something thousand). Why are they rolling him at ocean? I dont know but I also dont think he is a runaway who can only beat slow rats.
for easy MDSS money
last nights purse was $95k and later in the fall there will be another final for about the same purse where he will be 1/9 again
Hans would have to supplement to face the top 3yos
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I didnt watch the replay but did Ahle take him wide entering the far turn? There may have been geese or birds on the track? Or I may be totally imagining it as I was 1/2 asleep.
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I didnt watch the replay but did Ahle take him wide entering the far turn? There may have been geese or birds on the track? Or I may be totally imagining it as I was 1/2 asleep.
it appears to me Ahle is intentionally playing the turns safely and going wide on all four of them
he raced him similarly last week
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Why would he take the turns tightly? Think we all know tight turns are hard on a horse.
Have you seen the drivers at ocean downs?? Play it safe and stay clear!
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Too bad he is not in the Hambo eliminations.