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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Elvis Yellowfeet on July 04, 2025, 04:27:28 AM
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Absolute masterclass in integrity with Louprint at the Meadowlands.
Ron Burke, trainer of the top ranked contender, Louprint, has opted to qualify the North America Cup champion on Friday morning rather than race in the Saturday night Pace prep.
“Why not?" said Burke. "I don’t race horses to finish fourth. I don’t think it’s fair to the fans. I’m not going to go [1]:47 for $30,000, and if I’m not going to go for money, I’m going to do what I want to do. For me, not having a race is better.”
He could have entered him and took the horse back off the gate and kept hm covered up and let him pace home in the stretch as many other trainers would “to give him a tightener “
Fuck tighteners and fuck any driver who gives a horse a tightener in a parimutuel race. Shouldn’t even call them tighteners. Call it what it is. Cheating. Stiffing a horse. Why are there never any “lack of effort” fines when it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes.
You want a tightener. Put them in a qualifier.
Tip of the cap to you Ron Burke. Respect!!!🫡
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100% agree! Kudos Ronnie! tmbz1
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What the fuckety fuck!
He made a now allowable tactical decision!
Now we're giving out awards for not trying to not try to put an effort in a pari-mutual race and saying it out loud!
Oh, you're not going rape me, us ron, awww thank you big guy! ngc3
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Absolute masterclass in integrity with Louprint at the Meadowlands.
Ron Burke, trainer of the top ranked contender, Louprint, has opted to qualify the North America Cup champion on Friday morning rather than race in the Saturday night Pace prep.
“Why not?" said Burke. "I don’t race horses to finish fourth. I don’t think it’s fair to the fans. I’m not going to go [1]:47 for $30,000, and if I’m not going to go for money, I’m going to do what I want to do. For me, not having a race is better.”
He could have entered him and took the horse back off the gate and kept hm covered up and let him pace home in the stretch as many other trainers would “to give him a tightener “
Fuck tighteners and fuck any driver who gives a horse a tightener in a parimutuel race. Shouldn’t even call them tighteners. Call it what it is. Cheating. Stiffing a horse. Why are there never any “lack of effort” fines when it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes.
You want a tightener. Put them in a qualifier.
Tip of the cap to you Ron Burke. Respect!!!🫡
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Well, when you take down $23,000,000 a year out of the sport, it makes a fuck ton of sense to buy yourself a little cheap goodwill for the next time a test comes up hot.
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Miss me with this - the week before the NA Cup he dropped Sippinonsearoc in the b level Ohio Sire Stakes and went for $20k. Why not put him in a qualifier - because he knew he could steal $10k, overwhelm the field and give the horse a tightener. This field wasn’t going to give him the ability to do that
Burke and his owners have done more to damage harness racing than probably anyone else in the last 15 years
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Absolute masterclass in integrity with Louprint at the Meadowlands.
Ron Burke, trainer of the top ranked contender, Louprint, has opted to qualify the North America Cup champion on Friday morning rather than race in the Saturday night Pace prep.
“Why not?" said Burke. "I don’t race horses to finish fourth. I don’t think it’s fair to the fans. I’m not going to go [1]:47 for $30,000, and if I’m not going to go for money, I’m going to do what I want to do. For me, not having a race is better.”
He could have entered him and took the horse back off the gate and kept hm covered up and let him pace home in the stretch as many other trainers would “to give him a tightener “
Fuck tighteners and fuck any driver who gives a horse a tightener in a parimutuel race. Shouldn’t even call them tighteners. Call it what it is. Cheating. Stiffing a horse. Why are there never any “lack of effort” fines when it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes.
You want a tightener. Put them in a qualifier.
Tip of the cap to you Ron Burke. Respect!!!🫡
What he really meant to say is I don’t want my future stallion Lou Print getting beat in an 30k race and hurting his potential value.
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Very impressive. His accomplishments in horse racing will never be matched.
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I am sure that entered into the equation. Bottom line, he is managing the value of his asset. Horses have only so many 1:47 miles in them.
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What he really meant to say is I don’t want my future stallion Lou Print getting beat in an 30k race and hurting his potential value.
Burke races his top horses longer than any other trainer.
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Burke just said what most of us know.
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I like this
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Sippinonsearoc was in a $20,000 open pace at Scioto on 6/28/25, not an Ohio Sires Stakes, which goes for much more.
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Great move Ron
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I have learned over the years never believe a word Ron Burke says. Like all the other cheats he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Ron Burke does not give a crap about the fans. That is some lol shit.
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I have learned over the years never believe a word Ron Burke says. Like all the other cheats he talks out of both sides of his mouth. Ron Burke does not give a crap about the fans. That is some lol shit.
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Sippinonsearoc was in a $20,000 open pace at Scioto on 6/28/25, not an Ohio Sires Stakes, which goes for much more.
It was May 24th and a Buckeye Stallion Series race which go for $20k and is intended for horses that are not good enough for the Ohio Sire Stakes. It is the equivalent of the NY Excelsior, Ontario Grassroots or PA Stallion Series. In fact Burke won 2 other Stallion Series races that day with Swingtown and Harrisburg Heist. Just a guy doing all he can for the sport.
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It was May 24th and a Buckeye Stallion Series race which go for $20k and is intended for horses that are not good enough for the Ohio Sire Stakes. It is the equivalent of the NY Excelsior, Ontario Grassroots or PA Stallion Series. In fact Burke won 2 other Stallion Series races that day with Swingtown and Harrisburg Heist. Just a guy doing all he can for the sport.
Yup. Running every small-time trainer into the ground.
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I knew Burke has a 100 loyal employees, most of them are members here?
Dat cool ngc3
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When be raced Sippininsearoc in the BSS he entered him with the intention to win the race. My issue is with trainers who enter their horses in a race where winning is not the no 1 priority.
A few years ago for example when Test of Faith was a monster they raced her in an open mates race one day at Pocono. Miller sat 5th or 6th. Moved her on the final turn , paced a final quarter in 25 flat and finished 4th and burned the public’s wallets at 1/9. The next week she won the Graduate final by open lenghts.
Miller should have got the rest of the year off. So should the trainer and the horse.
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When be raced Sippininsearoc in the BSS he entered him with the intention to win the race. My issue is with trainers who enter their horses in a race where winning is not the no 1 priority.
A few years ago for example when Test of Faith was a monster they raced her in an open mates race one day at Pocono. Miller sat 5th or 6th. Moved her on the final turn , paved a final quarter in 25 flat and finished 4th and burned the public’s wallets at 1/9. The next week she won the Graduate final by open lenghts.
Miller should have got the rest of the year off. So should the trainer and the horse.
Nigga pleeeeaaaaase!
That's what Gingras does exactly for him.
Get the easy win, placing once you commit, but this Gingras commit, when he's way up when he's feeling it and it's working out!
He's a fucking scumbag with a well oiled plan worked out with Burke i.e. hey it's not working but you can grab 2nd, 3rd, 4th from 5th with some urging to get a another 2/5 second even if you can do it, don't bother. Hidalgo at Vagina last night was a perfect example. Ran the same time as the BigM previous win which took little to no urging, yesterday no effort to get a better placing which the horse surely had.
Orders from Burke / Gingras is his assassin, strong ride to abort even if you have some horse for a better placing, don't push too hard!
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You watch that 9th at Vagina last night, the abort was decided when Emoticon pulled from behind him to go uncovered, Gingras tipped out and went in and aborted, then closed with fastest closing time of any horse.
Hey if you're not going to ride every race life you're life depends on it, like there is no tomorrow, $300,000 purse, guess what, the Burke mob can afford to do whatever, he ain't going to be on the poverty line.
Why is harness racing on welfare, and who is its biggest recipient, bar none-
Ron Burke!
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I hope Gural mans the fuck up and tells any drivers who don’t give ther horses the same effort Saturday as they do next week they are no longer welcome at his tracks. Lord knows the judges won’t do shit
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I hope Gural mans the fuck up and tells any drivers who don’t give ther horses the same effort Saturday as they do next week they are no longer welcome at his tracks. Lord knows the judges won’t do shit
A very nice thought, but he's a caver. He caved to the drug clown trainer list in the federal criminal investigation, he'll stand up initially but then whatever brings in the biggest handle, and CAW! ;D
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Burke races his top horses longer than any other trainer.
You ever wonder why so many crippled horses go on for years?
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What he really meant to say is I don’t want my future stallion Lou Print getting beat in an 30k race and hurting his potential value.
YES, Louprint, if managed properly, can become worth $20-$25mm. That is what Walner was worth about 2 years ago based on legit open market sales of his shares.
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its sad its all about the breeding industry now
I wistfully remember the 80s and 90s when you had On the Road Again and Guts battling it out and all the top NJSS action, Nihilator racing in 3 yo opens. Jate Lobell/Run the Table/Frugal Gourmet/Laag dancing all the big dances and going heats in the Oliver Wendell Holmes
Now the grand circuit is lame. Cant get more than 10 horses for Big M pace because Burke didnt bother to make most of his horses eligible..no Sippin, no Railroad Station...how about on the filly side...Looksgoodi nlulu go 48 and change last year and absolutely nothing from her this year. Rose is a bust. Burke grinding the poor 2 year olds for all the money in the world. Its funny the 2 years old last year were going just as fast as the 3 yos this year. You think there is a problem..all the money seems focused on winning as much at 2 and then your horse is racing for scraps at 3
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its sad its all about the breeding industry now
I wistfully remember the 80s and 90s when you had On the Road Again and Guts battling it out and all the top NJSS action, Nihilator racing in 3 yo opens. Jate Lobell/Run the Table/Frugal Gourmet/Laag dancing all the big dances and going heats in the Oliver Wendell Holmes
Now the grand circuit is lame. Cant get more than 10 horses for Big M pace because Burke didnt bother to make most of his horses eligible..no Sippin, no Railroad Station...how about on the filly side...Looksgoodi nlulu go 48 and change last year and absolutely nothing from her this year. Rose is a bust. Burke grinding the poor 2 year olds for all the money in the world. Its funny the 2 years old last year were going just as fast as the 3 yos this year. You think there is a problem..all the money seems focused on winning as much at 2 and then your horse is racing for scraps at 3
The HANDOUTS caused this.
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I hope Gural mans the fuck up and tells any drivers who don’t give ther horses the same effort Saturday as they do next week they are no longer welcome at his tracks. Lord knows the judges won’t do shit
I cannot believe people who know so much about racing just don't get it. If you own a horse your goal is to make the most money over the long-term. That means you do not go all out to win every race. How many time have you heard a driver or trainer say the hope to "get a piece of it" meaning the purse. If you want to see everyone go all out to win every race then make all racing winner take all and only have win betting and bets that only pay off for horses that win (daily double, pick 4, pick 5, etc.)
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I cannot believe people who know so much about racing just don't get it. If you own a horse your goal is to make the most money over the long-term. That means you do not go all out to win every race. How many time have you heard a driver or trainer say the hope to "get a piece of it" meaning the purse. If you want to see everyone go all out to win every race then make all racing winner take all and only have win betting and bets that only pay off for horses that win (daily double, pick 4, pick 5, etc.)
This!!! This is the fucking problem. Fuck you. You and people like you are the biggest problem our great sport has.
If you are racing in a parimutuel race you should be going all out to win every race. If you want to give your horse an easy mile put him in a fucking qualifier.
That is what Ron Burke did here and what trainers should do.
If you aren’t trying your best to win you are cheating and nothing kills the sport more than cheating.
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When be raced Sippininsearoc in the BSS he entered him with the intention to win the race. My issue is with trainers who enter their horses in a race where winning is not the no 1 priority.
A few years ago for example when Test of Faith was a monster they raced her in an open mates race one day at Pocono. Miller sat 5th or 6th. Moved her on the final turn , paced a final quarter in 25 flat and finished 4th and burned the public’s wallets at 1/9. The next week she won the Graduate final by open lenghts.
Miller should have got the rest of the year off. So should the trainer and the horse.
no one is twisting the public's collective arm to bet races or horses that have a high chance of being out for a tightener.
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no one is twisting the public's collective arm to bet races or horses that have a high chance of being out for a tightener.
62za.clp
Very smart, sit out and watch and let the handle do the talking!
I read another comment suggestion a while back regarding this situation, don't call or post the times during the race, and do so after the race. That would be interesting.
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It was May 24th and a Buckeye Stallion Series race which go for $20k and is intended for horses that are not good enough for the Ohio Sire Stakes. It is the equivalent of the NY Excelsior, Ontario Grassroots or PA Stallion Series. In fact Burke won 2 other Stallion Series races that day with Swingtown and Harrisburg Heist. Just a guy doing all he can for the sport.
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It was May 24th and a Buckeye Stallion Series race which go for $20k and is intended for horses that are not good enough for the Ohio Sire Stakes. It is the equivalent of the NY Excelsior, Ontario Grassroots or PA Stallion Series. In fact Burke won 2 other Stallion Series races that day with Swingtown and Harrisburg Heist. Just a guy doing all he can for the sport.
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For the sport? Come on. He's doing all he can for himself. I am not saying I blame him, but call a spade a spade.
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no one is twisting the public's collective arm to bet races or horses that have a high chance of being out for a tightener.
ther should be zero chance he’s out for a tightener. If he wants a tightener he should be in a qualifier.
If he wants a tightener in a parimutuel race the driver should be fined and suspended for lack of effort
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ther should be zero chance he’s out for a tightener. If he wants a tightener he should be in a qualifier.
If he wants a tightener in a parimutuel race the driver should be fined and suspended for lack of effort
Are you new to the sport?
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For the sport? Come on. He's doing all he can for himself. I am not saying I blame him, but call a spade a spade.
Sarcasm my guy - I think jamming grand circuit level horses into ‘n’ races meant for lesser horses is one of the worst things for the sport and Ohio is probably one of the worst offenders.
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ther should be zero chance he’s out for a tightener. If he wants a tightener he should be in a qualifier.
If he wants a tightener in a parimutuel race the driver should be fined and suspended for lack of effort
You must really hate the NBA or other professional sports.
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TYLER GEORGE PUT A HORSE IN AT HOOSIER PARK THAT WAS FOR HORSES ON THE FAIR CIRCUT WINS BY 20 AND 1 WEEK LATER PUT IN FOR THE SIRE STAKES AND WENT IN 148 ngc3
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The Burke operation is unparalleled. You simply can't argue that. Whether they are doing something illegal or not is no different than the same discussion about anyone else. Simply put, if you are racing on hay, oats, and water only, you are at a competitive disadvantage, because virtually everyone is doing something. Everyone looks for an edge. It sucks, but it's reality.
I am not going to give Burke the Nobel prize for saying something everyone knows is true. He chose option b instead of option a. Prep races, elimination races, whatever, and trying to be 100% for a final, is simply part of the sport. Other sports have similar situations. Whether it's tanking a match/game for an easier opponent, sitting starters, whatever, it happens. Either factor it in to your handicapping or don't. You have to do one or the other.
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Ron burke is a crybaby as an owner I'm glad Capone raced him in a race it helps pay the bills. Tioga has a race to fill and it worked out Burke races horse anywhere a lot of times its just a training mile so shut the fuck up about a young kid trying to have a barn that is being successful. Your not the most loved trainer in the sport just ask your help
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Sarcasm my guy - I think jamming grand circuit level horses into ‘n’ races meant for lesser horses is one of the worst things for the sport and Ohio is probably one of the worst offenders.
Like Confederate in KYSS...
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Sarcasm my guy - I think jamming grand circuit level horses into ‘n’ races meant for lesser horses is one of the worst things for the sport and Ohio is probably one of the worst offenders.
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Call it what it is. Cheating.
Now that's funny!!! Ron Burke talking about cheating.
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You must really hate the NBA or other professional sports.
Well those sports exist for purposes other than gambling and if gambling was their sole supply of income the NBA would be out of business by noon tomorrow
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Chantilly last night was a prime example…..
If you want to give your horse an easy mile tightener and winning the race isn’t priority number 1 put her in a fucking qualifier
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Very impressive. His accomplishments in horse racing will never be matched.
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Absolute masterclass in integrity with Louprint at the Meadowlands.
Ron Burke, trainer of the top ranked contender, Louprint, has opted to qualify the North America Cup champion on Friday morning rather than race in the Saturday night Pace prep.
“Why not?" said Burke. "I don’t race horses to finish fourth. I don’t think it’s fair to the fans. I’m not going to go [1]:47 for $30,000, and if I’m not going to go for money, I’m going to do what I want to do. For me, not having a race is better.”
He could have entered him and took the horse back off the gate and kept hm covered up and let him pace home in the stretch as many other trainers would “to give him a tightener “
Fuck tighteners and fuck any driver who gives a horse a tightener in a parimutuel race. Shouldn’t even call them tighteners. Call it what it is. Cheating. Stiffing a horse. Why are there never any “lack of effort” fines when it’s clear as day to anyone with eyes.
You want a tightener. Put them in a qualifier.
Tip of the cap to you Ron Burke. Respect!!!🫡
The uneducated ignorant gambler doesn’t understand the difference between the gambling side and the business side. It is a dilemma, however, from the business side, Burke is 1000% correct.