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Title: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: batavia24 on June 26, 2025, 10:45:47 AM
You know who you are Do anything to win a race Watch the piece on WKBW of the gentleman with MS who has a horse rescue in Clarence I know most of you need that 5th place check to survive Why don't you help him out? Im sure it would be a first to do anything charitable Also horse abuse is at at all time high up here Too bad nobody gives a fuck about it
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Yonkers1A on June 26, 2025, 12:04:47 PM
Who are the abusers
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: batavia24 on June 26, 2025, 12:33:47 PM
Ask raigin pace inside the track Swank and Drawbar they will help you out Please BUFFALO Raceway DONT BAR ME HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Trigger on June 26, 2025, 12:34:52 PM
Who are the abusers

Everyone involved in any aspect of racing not doing anything about it to stop it and continually contributing to its running. 

If all the honest horseman just didn't show up, if the gamblers joined them, you'd see some action to end the abuse.

Unfortunately the crooks have an advantage because they could $ustain the event, they need to be physically removed.

The government, not effective.

We have to arm Sir Petrelli and Co. with more money, access and resources. 
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Post by: Yonkers1A on June 26, 2025, 01:07:18 PM
Everyone involved in any aspect of racing not doing anything about it to stop it and continually contributing to its running. 

If all the honest horseman just didn't show up, if the gamblers joined them, you'd see some action to end the abuse.

Unfortunately the crooks have an advantage because they could $ustain the event, they need to be physically removed.

The government, not effective.

We have to arm Sir Petrelli and Co. with more money, access and resources.

Congressman, it’s sad that the government agencies have turned a blind eye, thank the Lord MP has stepped up


Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Pacer 2 on June 26, 2025, 01:08:26 PM
You know who you are Do anything to win a race Watch the piece on WKBW of the gentleman with MS who has a horse rescue in Clarence I know most of you need that 5th place check to survive Why don't you help him out? Im sure it would be a first to do anything charitable Also horse abuse is at at all time high up here Too bad nobody gives a fuck about it

  Who's an abuser and how are they abusing?
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: SwankToliverA on June 26, 2025, 01:08:47 PM
You know who you are Do anything to win a race Watch the piece on WKBW of the gentleman with MS who has a horse rescue in Clarence I know most of you need that 5th place check to survive Why don't you help him out? Im sure it would be a first to do anything charitable Also horse abuse is at at all time high up here Too bad nobody gives a fuck about it


Thank You Batavia for bringing thos to my attention, I missed the story on the News. I am following them, will order some shirts/tanks and help promote their efforts
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: SwankToliverA on June 26, 2025, 01:10:26 PM
  Who's an abuser and how are they abusing?


Batavia24 do not respond to Pacer, he will only ridicule you for shedding light on the topic, protect the abusers and cheaters, then say who hurt you. Waste of your time.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Trigger on June 26, 2025, 01:24:52 PM
Congressman, it’s sad that the government agencies have turned a blind eye, thank the Lord MP has stepped up

It should be a North American movement for obvious and to be effective reasons.

In the interim, no better time to keep the cheating scumbags on their side of the border i.e. ICE, DHS, Canada National Security, CBSA, killing more than one type cheater with a stone.

Start a non-profit or take over a defunct one and amend its purposes, then get the key people, press, point optics to multiple controversies, and the cash should roll in from a number of sources including but not limited to crowd funding, private, regulatory and membership, tracks / casinos / other related businesses, charitable, self creating income, grants... 

To save harness racing, punish the abusers and end the abuse!



Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: batavia24 on June 26, 2025, 01:29:35 PM
maybe the new crew at Batavia will take notice
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Post by: SwankToliverA on June 26, 2025, 03:50:15 PM
maybe the new crew at Batavia will take notice

I hope so.
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Post by: Raging pace on June 26, 2025, 05:26:44 PM
Nothing will change, torcello will be in management back pocket, 450 lb trainer Sam smith will get a couple positives, then a slap on his pee pee, clouser, Dave Russo, petrelli,kiblin, bratt , brandstatter / hall , both McNeights now juicers and even Ryan swift get nailed. Very few honest trainers / drivers . Tough to compete if you don’t cheat. Too bad because Batavia downs is a nice place but full of crooks and horse drugging cheats. Then at end of meet trainer smith will finally show his face in the winners circle to accept trainer of the meet with all his positives, nothing changes !
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Post by: Dingus on June 26, 2025, 06:06:46 PM
maybe the new crew at Batavia will take notice

Jim and Don need to clean the place up.
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Post by: SwankToliverA on June 26, 2025, 08:57:02 PM
Nothing will change, torcello will be in management back pocket, 450 lb trainer Sam smith will get a couple positives, then a slap on his pee pee, clouser, Dave Russo, petrelli,kiblin, bratt , brandstatter / hall , both McNeights now juicers and even Ryan swift get nailed. Very few honest trainers / drivers . Tough to compete if you don’t cheat. Too bad because Batavia downs is a nice place but full of crooks and horse drugging cheats. Then at end of meet trainer smith will finally show his face in the winners circle to accept trainer of the meet with all his positives, nothing changes !

You very well may be right, but Nicolle may want it cleaned up. I know I will be having a talk with her about it.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 26, 2025, 09:21:48 PM
Nothing will change, torcello will be in management back pocket, 450 lb trainer Sam smith will get a couple positives, then a slap on his pee pee, clouser, Dave Russo, petrelli,kiblin, bratt , brandstatter / hall , both McNeights now juicers and even Ryan swift get nailed. Very few honest trainers / drivers . Tough to compete if you don’t cheat. Too bad because Batavia downs is a nice place but full of crooks and horse drugging cheats. Then at end of meet trainer smith will finally show his face in the winners circle to accept trainer of the meet with all his positives, nothing changes !

   Dave McNeight is a juicer who is the other?
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Parked on June 26, 2025, 09:30:42 PM
Everyone involved in any aspect of racing not doing anything about it to stop it and continually contributing to its running. 

If all the honest horseman just didn't show up, if the gamblers joined them, you'd see some action to end the abuse.

Unfortunately the crooks have an advantage because they could $ustain the event, they need to be physically removed.

The government, not effective.

We have to arm Sir Petrelli and Co. with more money, access and resources.

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Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: SwankToliverA on June 27, 2025, 12:08:53 PM
   Dave McNeight is a juicer who is the other?


Jimmy

Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 27, 2025, 12:41:44 PM

Jimmy

    Anyone who thinks Jimmy McNeight is a juicer definitely doesn't know him!
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Raging pace on June 27, 2025, 01:33:03 PM
Really, cause Jim McNeight , the trainer got nailed about 2 months ago in a stall, at Buffalo raceway with the needle shoved in the horses neck ! Has been barred , taken off as trainer until further notice , and thats if he ever gets his training license back. Been M.I.A ! Sold his house and everything. Guess you really don’t know him. They have had Jeff Martin down as trainer since he got busted !
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: SwankToliverA on June 27, 2025, 02:32:26 PM
    Anyone who thinks Jimmy McNeight is a juicer definitely doesn't know him!


Raging Pace's comment is true and correct.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Dingus on June 27, 2025, 03:24:48 PM
Really, cause Jim McNeight , the trainer got nailed about 2 months ago in a stall, at Buffalo raceway with the needle shoved in the horses neck ! Has been barred , taken off as trainer until further notice , and thats if he ever gets his training license back. Been M.I.A ! Sold his house and everything. Guess you really don’t know him. They have had Jeff Martin down as trainer since he got busted !

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that the valid receipt of James P. McNeight, Sr (“Respondent”) that permits Respondent to participate in pari-mutuel racing as a Trainer is hereby SUSPENDED IMMEDIATELY pending the disposition by the New York State Gaming Commission (“Commission”) of the scheduled hearing before the Commission, or if Respondent refuses such hearing or defaults in appearing, then such valid receipt and all rights to participate in harness racing in New York are SUSPENDED until such time as the Commission in its discretion takes further action, including, but not limited to, denial of Respondent’s license application and withdrawal of such valid receipt. A hearing on this matter will be held at 9:00 a.m. on Friday, May 9, 2025. PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that this action is taken pursuant to Racing, Pari-Mutuel Wagering and Breeding Law ("Racing Law") §§ 309, 310 and 321, 9 NYCRR §§ 4119.7(a)(5); 4119.7(b), 4119.8, 4119.9(a), and 4120.6(a)(1), and State Administrative Procedure Act § 401, upon a finding of the Commission that the public health, safety, and welfare imperatively requires this emergency action because Respondent’s conduct related to the possession and use of a hypodermic needle and syringe to inject a substance into an equine athlete at Buffalo Raceway was so egregious that (1) such conduct calls into question Respondent’s ability to properly care for horses for which Respondent is responsible pursuant to the valid receipt held with the Commission, (2) Respondent’s actions and continued participation in racing are potential dangers to the public health, safety, and welfare, including that of equine athletes, (3) Respondent’s actions are inconsistent with the experience, character, or general fitness required for participation by Respondent in harness racing or related activities; and (4) Respondent’s continued participation in pari-mutuel racing is presently inconsistent with the publi
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 27, 2025, 06:25:22 PM
 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 My god you guys are IDIOTS! He got caught giving a 2yr old Adequan back in fucking May, he was already selling his house before that because it's too big for him and Ann!  Just because NYSGC wants to make a example of him doesn't make him a "JUICER". EVERY fucking trainer who ever lived has given therapy medications to horses. Every trainer has used a needle! THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A JUICER! 
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Raging pace on June 27, 2025, 10:01:03 PM
That’s not the 1st or 2nd or 3rd time he’s been nailed for juicing, so yes , he’s a juicer , pretty cut and dry. And he was stupid enough to do it in the barn ,on track grounds with racing inspectors walking around.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Onthefront11 on June 27, 2025, 11:40:43 PM
They all fight for the same dollar, post win pics after horses win and credit themselves for the work.  How about winning without using drugs?  That fat piece of garbage Smith how.many has he killed?  Chris P and company same could be said
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: batavia24 on June 28, 2025, 07:17:00 AM
As usual up here they don't go after the bad ones that everyone knows is a POS and kick them out for goodIt will never change In fact it only gets worse
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: jupiter on June 28, 2025, 09:38:52 AM
Really sad what happened to the WNY circuit, lots of great horseman came through there. Sure don't see any HOF there.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 28, 2025, 04:42:25 PM
That’s not the 1st or 2nd or 3rd time he’s been nailed for juicing, so yes , he’s a juicer , pretty cut and dry. And he was stupid enough to do it in the barn ,on track grounds with racing inspectors walking around.

   Ok smart guy, lets all hear the long list of juicing charges!
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Post by: White Rabbit on June 28, 2025, 05:09:00 PM
   Ok smart guy, lets all hear the long list of juicing charges!

Does it get any worse then being caught giving a shot ?
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 28, 2025, 07:24:58 PM
Does it get any worse then being caught giving a shot ?


   Yes doping racehorses! Everyone's clamoring about juicing horses, he was caught giving a 2yr old who couldn't even race for 2 months a shot of Adequan. Adequan is strictly a therapeutic medication. Every trainer has given shots, ALL of them! Most give performance enhancing drugs. I get it he was dumb for sure, but the guy is no juicer.     
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: White Rabbit on June 28, 2025, 07:33:12 PM


   Yes doping racehorses! Everyone's clamoring about juicing horses, he was caught giving a 2yr old who couldn't even race for 2 months a shot of Adequan. Adequan is strictly a therapeutic medication. Every trainer has given shots, ALL of them! Most give performance enhancing drugs. I get it he was dumb for sure, but the guy is no juicer.   
Or are you ok with just horse people breaking some rules.

You know this how, cause he said that’s what it was. What if was growth hormones mimiciking peptides, or blood builders. Someone who gets caught is most likely going to lie about what they are giving. If he wants to play vet the move to a farm not at the track where it’s a violation of the rules.
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Post by: getreal on June 28, 2025, 08:23:02 PM
Jim and Ann are good people!! Some of you folks on here throw plenty of stones when you live in glass houses. You bitch and complain and go on rants about certain trainers and then leave "your" trainers out of the mix. Do you really think "your" trainer hasnt given a 2 year old a shot of ad. Look at the guy that caught him, try out his record. Couldnt make it as a trainer so hes allowed to judge. Thats a complete joke. And Jimmy Jr. is a nice young man. I wish him and Jeff Martin luck, and to Jim and Ann, dont let these losers bother you. Come out come out wherever you are and Tell Jim to his face.
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Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 28, 2025, 08:49:24 PM
Jim and Ann are good people!! Some of you folks on here throw plenty of stones when you live in glass houses. You bitch and complain and go on rants about certain trainers and then leave "your" trainers out of the mix. Do you really think "your" trainer hasnt given a 2 year old a shot of ad. Look at the guy that caught him, try out his record. Couldnt make it as a trainer so hes allowed to judge. Thats a complete joke. And Jimmy Jr. is a nice young man. I wish him and Jeff Martin luck, and to Jim and Ann, dont let these losers bother you. Come out come out wherever you are and Tell Jim to his face.

   tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: White Rabbit on June 29, 2025, 06:25:46 AM
So let’s keep it Real , get real, isn’t J Mcnight the same one who got caught did time for fixing races back in the late 80’s with M.Gerico, T Swift and that bunch, or do o have the wrong fine up standing horsemen.
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Yonkers1A on June 29, 2025, 06:36:04 AM
No 2yo should get Adequan, they should get turn out
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Post by: drawbar on June 29, 2025, 06:59:02 AM
Between jim , clouser , and smith it's hard to get any vet work done as  they both have the vet at their barns for 5-6 hours every week
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: White Rabbit on June 29, 2025, 10:26:25 AM
Jim and Ann are good people!! Some of you folks on here throw plenty of stones when you live in glass houses. You bitch and complain and go on rants about certain trainers and then leave "your" trainers out of the mix. Do you really think "your" trainer hasnt given a 2 year old a shot of ad. Look at the guy that caught him, try out his record. Couldnt make it as a trainer so hes allowed to judge. Thats a complete joke. And Jimmy Jr. is a nice young man. I wish him and Jeff Martin luck, and to Jim and Ann, dont let these losers bother you. Come out come out wherever you are and Tell Jim to his face.


Be careful calling someone out, had that happen over with a Driver, and a Mowod  friend, driver went to the hospital
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Hey bartender on June 30, 2025, 06:44:42 PM
No 2yo should get Adequan, they should get turn out
You obviously have never owned or trained a baby before. What a stupid statement
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Post by: Harness racer on June 30, 2025, 06:53:00 PM
Between jim , clouser , and smith it's hard to get any vet work done as  they both have the vet at their barns for 5-6 hours every week

Your vets only work 10-12 hours a week?   ngc3
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Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 30, 2025, 08:15:53 PM
You obviously have never owned or trained a baby before. What a stupid statement
 

Very stupid statement! But is anyone surprised, NO, this is horseplop.
 
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Foalin at 4 on June 30, 2025, 08:19:08 PM
No 2yo should get Adequan, they should get turn out
   

 Yonkers is bonkers, the additional protection Adequan provides 2yr olds is enormous!
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: Hey bartender on June 30, 2025, 09:12:11 PM
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
Title: Re: ATTN WNY HORSE ABUSERS!!!!
Post by: longshotlobell on June 30, 2025, 09:48:06 PM
anyone who was a regular  patron  buffalo raceway            late 80's thru      2013 ish  knew  d  vance      ran the place                jimmy m.     louie russo           ,mego,  johnny cunmmings  ,  t  agosti, ronnie w                et al              just listened....did what was told .............lear ned  how to cheat  as youngsters....... ................. .get real you apologists out there............ ...blatant....... ....     fans got hosed nitely      ................. ................. ........                                                 
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Post by: drawbar on July 01, 2025, 05:23:12 AM
1 vet only on the grounds 2 days a week
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Post by: Checked Up on July 01, 2025, 12:20:16 PM
Between jim , clouser , and smith it's hard to get any vet work done as  they both have the vet at their barns for 5-6 hours every week
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