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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: GOAT on June 10, 2025, 02:41:43 PM
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Rumor has it Walter Case will get his NY license back .
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Rumor has it Walter Case will get his NY license back .
Since Devita can still keep his, at this point why not.
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Rumor has it Walter Case will get his NY license back .
It's about 25 years too late, he's washed up.
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He's still winning races at Plainridge, why not Yonkers?
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11 wins in 113 starts isn't exactly setting the world on fire against a so so driving colony. There would be few if any live drives for him in NY.
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Caseyyy 11.wp
Hope he does tmbz1
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What good is it if you're driving nothing but big longshots?
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CLICKBAIT
Do better..
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Piece of shit.
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Glad for him if it is actually true.
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Great news, if true. The man can roll out of bed and outdrive most of these guys right now.
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I'm not impressed with his driving at Plainridge. Maybe he will fare better in NY, if this is true.
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I'm not impressed with his driving at Plainridge. Maybe he will fare better in NY, if this is true.
Well, NY is much tougher than Plainridge unless we're talking Vernon....
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Another convicted felon with cheerleaders. Sick.
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Well, NY is much tougher than Plainridge unless we're talking Vernon....
Then its safe to say he wont do well in NY.
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Another convicted felon with cheerleaders. Sick.
He is mentoring some of the young drivers,and I heard him tell one you are doing great don't mess up like I did.
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Great news, if true. The man can roll out of bed and outdrive most of these guys right now.
Case was great in his time…. He won’t compete with the current drivers at Yonkers.
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Just in time for closing night at Yonkers.
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He’s basically toast Hard to feel bad for him, he did it to himself
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He could still do well at one of the B tracks like Monticello.
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He could still do well at one of the B tracks like Monticello.
I dont think he could compete with Mike or Greg Merton. That puts him down to third best. Look at Mcgwire Sowers for example. Mcgwire was average at best 5th or 6th at Monticello when he was there. He moved to Maine and he's crushing Case. My point being you guys need to stop drinking the foolish cool aid of Case. He was at one time the best in the game at the time. That time has looooooooooooong past. He spent his best years high as a kite and or behind bars. He's still nothing but a piece of shit just like when he was younger. Only difference between Case now and case of the 90s is he's added atleast 50 pounds and he's lost the "golden hands" he's still a drunk waste of space. Trust me in the 90s id kill to have Case drive my horses. Call me old school whether he was high or whatever excuse you want to give him he tried to kill another human being who was his wife and he was supposed to love and protect her. Case is 100 percent an example of what you DON'T want your son to grow up to be. You people that praise him like he's something special make me sick. Even when he was "special" he was a drug addict drunk piece of shit. Take Case out of harness racing he is a piece of shit nobody.. oh wait thats all he is in harness racing. I remember when he first came back Scarborough downs i think it was correct me if I'm wrong they made a big deal of it. The outside people looking in saw a racetrack promoting a drug abusing woman abusing attempted murderer. And we all wonder why harness racing is declining. Guys like Case.. Allard.. Surick.. Banca.. many others give racing a black eye. Yes I get it he went to jail and served his time I get it. He does deserve to work and make a living in my opinion that should be McDonald's or Burger King not a race bike. Harness racing is a privilege not a right.
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I dont think he could compete with Mike or Greg Merton. That puts him down to third best. Look at Mcgwire Sowers for example. Mcgwire was average at best 5th or 6th at Monticello when he was there. He moved to Maine and he's crushing Case. My point being you guys need to stop drinking the foolish cool aid of Case. He was at one time the best in the game at the time. That time has looooooooooooong past. He spent his best years high as a kite and or behind bars. He's still nothing but a piece of shit just like when he was younger. Only difference between Case now and case of the 90s is he's added atleast 50 pounds and he's lost the "golden hands" he's still a drunk waste of space. Trust me in the 90s id kill to have Case drive my horses. Call me old school whether he was high or whatever excuse you want to give him he tried to kill another human being who was his wife and he was supposed to love and protect her. Case is 100 percent an example of what you DON'T want your son to grow up to be. You people that praise him like he's something special make me sick. Even when he was "special" he was a drug addict drunk piece of shit. Take Case out of harness racing he is a piece of shit nobody.. oh wait thats all he is in harness racing. I remember when he first came back Scarborough downs i think it was correct me if I'm wrong they made a big deal of it. The outside people looking in saw a racetrack promoting a drug abusing woman abusing attempted murderer. And we all wonder why harness racing is declining. Guys like Case.. Allard.. Surick.. Banca.. many others give racing a black eye. Yes I get it he went to jail and served his time I get it. He does deserve to work and make a living in my opinion that should be McDonald's or Burger King not a race bike. Harness racing is a privilege not a right.
Spot on tmbz1 tmbz1
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He could still do well at one of the B tracks like Monticello.
Over there he could reunite with Andy and get envelopes and when he stiffs everyone would just say he stinks now.
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His drives would mainly be big longshots so there wouldn't be any need for an envelope. He has enough trouble just trying to compete in Maine and only gets 4 or 5 drives a day at Pllainridge, at Yonkers he'd be on the bench most of the time.
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His drives would mainly be big longshots so there wouldn't be any need for an envelope. He has enough trouble just trying to compete in Maine and only gets 4 or 5 drives a day at Pllainridge, at Yonkers he'd be on the bench most of the time.
Monticello. Not Jonkers.
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I love Casey, but, said to say, his time has come and gone. He is a mere shell of himself..Father Time gets all tmbz1
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Missing so much time tends to erode your skills along with father time and gaining weight.
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1000% correct tmbz1
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You have to understand, case was also driving gassed up horses during that time, he had the “power” and with that comes along the ability to dictate other races when you might necessarily not have power so you could leave and get hiked here and there or get the top and Casey could and would return the favors….these drivers aren’t running , the horses are so like any track around the country, show me the top 3 drivers and it corresponds to the top 3 trainers, or beards for that matter…do you think Banca or engblom didn’t help Bartlett? Burke or Takter helped gingras?
On another note—I still can’t understand how engblom has any horses racing in canada with his legal PEDs troubles here in the states….
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As someone who lives in Maine and has chatted with Casey at the now defunct Scarborough Downs, i'd like to offer a different perspective. I believe no one knows more than Casey how he ruined his life and career due to that horrible crime he committed. I was there on his return to "the Downs". That track had the biggest crowd i'd ever seen there in the last 10 years. Lots of "hugs and kisses" and "Good Luck Walter" peppered the crowd. I have learned a lot on HORSEPLOP. I have heard many of you tell me about the drunks, wife beaters, race fixers. drug addicts, horse abusers, beards, crooks, etc. While i'm not 100% sure everything that's mentioned is true, it would seem that almost all of these folks never had their day in court. From what you tell me, it just goes on and on. With very few, if any. receiving any justice. Yet Casey has. He was convicted and served his time. As for his driving skills, he is now just a average driver. Maybe enough to make a living. If I were advising him, I'd tell him to stay close to home and avoid the zoo at Yonkers Raceway. He'd drive all longshots. He's better off doing what he's doing now.
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Monticello. Not Jonkers.
No money to be made at Monticello.
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IF YOU PUT WALTER ON THE GASSED UP NY HORSES HE WILL DO VERY WELL.
LET HIM DRIVE FOR SOME REAL DOPERS. SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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WHEN A HORSE WIMNS A RACE WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK THE DRIVER PLAYS?
WHAT PERCENT IS THE HORSE/CARE/DRUGS?
BELCHER USE TO WIN RACES WITH DARREN BINSKIN.
STOCK AND DOPE MATTERS. WHEN HORSES ARE DOPED ANYONE CAN DRIVE THEM. POINT AND STEER.
I MEAN LOOK AT BECKWITH AND HIS DADDYS HORSES. POINT AND STEER.
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WHEN A HORSE WIMNS A RACE WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK THE DRIVER PLAYS?
WHAT PERCENT IS THE HORSE/CARE/DRUGS?
BELCHER USE TO WIN RACES WITH DARREN BINSKIN.
STOCK AND DOPE MATTERS. WHEN HORSES ARE DOPED ANYONE CAN DRIVE THEM. POINT AND STEER.
I MEAN LOOK AT BECKWITH AND HIS DADDYS HORSES. POINT AND STEER.
1000% spot-on
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Case is a human being. So, I would treat him with that much respect. I can't understand how all these people go by the premise, "he did his time" let him earn a living.
Walter was a functioning alcoholic and drug addict all the time he was racing at Yonkers and Northfield. High as a kite most nights. He made big bucks and was flat out broke.
So, the man was driving like he was the second coming. Picking some horses up 3 seconds the first time he drove. Making a horse with a long history of not trying into a front running monster. Given all that to be true, how in the world did this all happen and continue to happen for 15 years or so?
Well, the track management and the State Racing Commissions supported Walter. The trainers and owners supported Walter and the gamblers supported Walter, too.
Now every component of racing turned a blind eye and never gave Walter what he really needed. Not as long as he was making them money. Here is one other thing that amuses me. I hear many people say , "well at least you know Walter is sending everything he is always a go." How many junkies, alcoholics and gamblers do you know that would never take a package? Walter took a package all the time at Northfield.
So, knowing the man was a drunk a junkie and a gambler for decades. He would stiff one when needed and bet when he wanted. Kick a horse when ever he pleased. Pop a hand full of pills. Get drunk and stupid every night and still come up with , "he served his time". I say bull shit . I say getting busted for stabbing his wife in the back shoulder area, getting convicted and sentenced to prison, saved his life. Walter was such a success he need a public offender to represent him. He was dead broke when he went down yet so many people believe he never stiffed a horse. The winningest driver in the sport stabs his wife outside there $800 a month apartment and needs a public defender!! Walter was refused a license by every state until a couple years ago, why? It was because he refused to enter an alcohol out patient program to monitor and report back to the commission. I don't know if he is still sucking on his Bottle of Bud but, I would not be surprised.
So much for he did his time and deserves a chance.
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Even with the few chances he's getting now, the talent is no longer there and will be lucky to earn between $25,000 and $30,000 driving this year,
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Case is a human being. So, I would treat him with that much respect. I can't understand how all these people go by the premise, "he did his time" let him earn a living.
Walter was a functioning alcoholic and drug addict all the time he was racing at Yonkers and Northfield. High as a kite most nights. He made big bucks and was flat out broke.
So, the man was driving like he was the second coming. Picking some horses up 3 seconds the first time he drove. Making a horse with a long history of not trying into a front running monster. Given all that to be true, how in the world did this all happen and continue to happen for 15 years or so?
Well, the track management and the State Racing Commissions supported Walter. The trainers and owners supported Walter and the gamblers supported Walter, too.
Now every component of racing turned a blind eye and never gave Walter what he really needed. Not as long as he was making them money. Here is one other thing that amuses me. I hear many people say , "well at least you know Walter is sending everything he is always a go." How many junkies, alcoholics and gamblers do you know that would never take a package? Walter took a package all the time at Northfield.
So, knowing the man was a drunk a junkie and a gambler for decades. He would stiff one when needed and bet when he wanted. Kick a horse when ever he pleased. Pop a hand full of pills. Get drunk and stupid every night and still come up with , "he served his time". I say bull shit . I say getting busted for stabbing his wife in the back shoulder area, getting convicted and sentenced to prison, saved his life. Walter was such a success he need a public offender to represent him. He was dead broke when he went down yet so many people believe he never stiffed a horse. The winningest driver in the sport stabs his wife outside there $800 a month apartment and needs a public defender!! Walter was refused a license by every state until a couple years ago, why? It was because he refused to enter an alcohol out patient program to monitor and report back to the commission. I don't know if he is still sucking on his Bottle of Bud but, I would not be surprised.
So much for he did his time and deserves a chance.
Gotta agree, everything Exporter states is true, nice perspective tmbz1 Maybe its the society we live in..how many times do you find yourself rooting for "the bad guy" in a movie or a TV series..everybody loves rooting for the ruthless Mob Guy, whether fictional or real...never heard anyone say they didn't love the Tony Soprano character etc etc
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Gas or no gas, a top driver wins more often than a bad driver. What happens when several horses have gas, who wins, the one with the better gas or the one with the better driver? I'm sure you'll say the one with the better gas.
horses can trip out. and certain drivers may give horses better trips more often then not. how many horses go to the front and straight to the winners circle? a lot in harness racing i would say.
more often times then not HORSES WHO ARE DOPED DONT NEED TRIPS. go to the front or dont get locked in for life.
yes certain driver may get along better with certain horses.
let walter drive for curke or cleary or engblom or takter or name any top traineer you want.
do you think he would win races or do you think these guys would fall in the standings using walter?
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horses can trip out. and certain drivers may give horses better trips more often then not. how many horses go to the front and straight to the winners circle? a lot in harness racing i would say.
more often times then not HORSES WHO ARE DOPED DONT NEED TRIPS. go to the front or dont get locked in for life.
yes certain driver may get along better with certain horses.
let walter drive for curke or cleary or engblom or takter or name any top traineer you want.
do you think he would win races or do you think these guys would fall in the standings using walter?
I just think you and some others are living in the past when it comes to Walter.
I know you love Walter and you love gas, but he no longer has the talent he once had, plus those guys would never use him anyway because he's not a top driver anymore.
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here is the point im trying to make.
he doesnt need the talent he use to have when you have BB3 running through their veins.
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I agree he would do better, but how much better, no one knows. We'll agree to disagree on the talent part.
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here is the point im trying to make.
he doesnt need the talent he use to have when you have BB3 running through their veins.
According to most here everyone uses gas. So how does that benefit a particular driver? I remember days when Casey was listed on 90% of the horses on a Northfield card. He had his choice to pick the best. For those that claim every time he got beat he was betting, then why was he broke. He should have been a millionaire
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Walter could wake up from a coma and outdrive anybody at Monti.
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Walter could wake up from a coma and outdrive anybody at Monti.
I think he might outdrive those guys up there if he was still in a coma.
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Case is human I’m sure he is aware the decisions he made ruined his career. To think he would be competive on NY circuit is ludicrous. He’s not killing it on the circuit. Bruce Ranger Drive circles around him. Some of the other people do as well. Is he making money yes but father time has caught up with Walter plus he’s overweight.
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who thinks john cummings jr is or was ever a good driver.
this guy found some dope years ago and couldnt be beat. he also drove his own and he was and always will be a fucking terrible driver.
he got some people to invest and went out east and came back with his tail bewteen his legs.
proof that driver doesnt matter as much as everyone thinks.
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Enough of the Walter Case nonsense. He's like 100 and he used to be good. He blew it and now time has passed him by. Let it go! tmbz1
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who thinks john cummings jr is or was ever a good driver.
this guy found some dope years ago and couldnt be beat. he also drove his own and he was and always will be a fucking terrible driver.
he got some people to invest and went out east and came back with his tail bewteen his legs.
proof that driver doesnt matter as much as everyone thinks.
If driver doesn't matter that much then why do the top stables use the best drivers instead of lesser ones?
All I'll say is, equal horse, equal amount of gas, I'll take the better driver, because he'll put his horse in a better position to win alot more often than an inferior driver, and is more likely to win a close photo. Time to move on.
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If driver doesn't matter that much then why do the top stables use the best drivers instead of lesser ones?
All I'll say is, equal horse, equal amount of gas, I'll take the better driver, because he'll put his horse in a better position to win alot more often than an inferior driver, and is more likely to win a close photo. Time to move on.
MAN YOU HAVE REALLY GOOD DRIVERS IF THEY CAN RIG A PHOTO. ID BE USING THEM TOO.
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You have an over-active imagination.
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case would only need to be 33% of his old self to be competitive.
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He's short by about 23%
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man you are really down on him and his talent. thats a huge drop. maybe thats true but i dont agree. for people like that a lot of times its like riding a bike. its still there if he wants it. he had no fear back then for one reason or another. maybe he is scared to get hurt at his older age. all i know is walter and brett drove fearless. maybe it was substance induced but it was a great thing to watch on the track.
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I'm just being realistic and what my eyes tell me. The magic is gone, he's not getting that many live drives and is winning at around 10%. You may want to dismiss it, but not driving for so long, being in his 60's and gaining at least 40 pounds is not a recipe for success. Like it or not, his ship has sailed or sunk!
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While some people don't give a $hit, one, I doubt he will be competitive with the top drivers, even if you think the top drivers suck. Two, I don't think he'll last very long. It's not a good move for him. Bad physical space equals bad head space. Tough place for him to stay clean and sober. He drinks now, but that's very thin ice if he comes down to NY.
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Even if he came which I doubt will happen, he'd be sitting on the bench more often than not and drive mainly longshots with almost no chance.
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I'm just being realistic and what my eyes tell me. The magic is gone, he's not getting that many live drives and is winning at around 10%. You may want to dismiss it, but not driving for so long, being in his 60's and gaining at least 40 pounds is not a recipe for success. Like it or not, his ship has sailed or sunk!
He is three years older than Purple Jesus...
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Tony Morgan is 66 years old and still doing well but has been driving all along and is still in decent shape.
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The mid 90s ENHANCED Walter is gone, unless they stop piss testing him. At this point he's suffered plenty from his self inflicted wounds. He does have an incredible set of hands, and still has his racing awareness. Driving with no fear half blown out of his fucking mind on coke is probably over. But if he goes back to abusing horses with the nails in his boot again they should just end him. Hopefully he's learned to appreciate the privilege again. Nobody owes him shit.