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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: yonkersjeff on June 06, 2025, 11:01:27 PM
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As of last Tuesday evening the starting car is now opening a 100 feet later and closer to the finish line. Since Tuesday the 6 7 8 have been basically dead. If they try to leave they hit the turn right away and are dead. Yonkers has not released this info to the betting public. This was confirmed to me by 2 judges tonite. They said the racing secretary made the decision..I was told by 1 judge if I didn't like it I should not bet. Yonkers management is definitely looking to destroy racing at Yonkers.
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As of last Tuesday evening the starting car is now opening a 100 feet later and closer to the finish line. Since Tuesday the 6 7 8 have been basically dead. If they try to leave they hit the turn right away and are dead. Yonkers has not released this info to the betting public. This was confirmed to me by 2 judges tonite. They said the racing secretary made the decision..I was told by 1 judge if I didn't like it I should not bet. Yonkers management is definitely looking to destroy racing at Yonkers.
This is wrong on multple levels.
I'm sure that the NYSRWB would be interested in knowing that the playing field has been changed shrouded in secrecy.
The Feds should be notified, because the last time I looked altering the outcome of a racing event is a federal crime, no?
Defrauding the betting public?
If someone raised enough of a stink and Albany got wind of this, MGM could kiss their casino goodbye.
This is not "business as usual"
This is a big deal!
Just sayin...
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I remember back in the 1990's when Yonkers moved the finish line closer to the turn and then they tried those wacky distances like 9/16, 1 1/8 etc.
Up until then they had a decent crowd but after those changes and legalization of Lasix in NYS poof went the bettors.
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I remember back in the 1990's when Yonkers moved the finish line closer to the turn and then they tried those wacky distances like 9/16, 1 1/8 etc.
Up until then they had a decent crowd but after those changes and legalization of Lasix in NYS poof went the bettors.
but those changes were made public.
Not these.
Big difference IMHO
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An unfortunate development for the ten trainers that can race there...
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Yonkers Jeff one of the 3 gamblers left at prestigious YR. Race secretary will do anything he wants and favors for his trainers. Business as usual.
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Yonkers Jeff one of the 3 gamblers left at prestigious YR. Race secretary will do anything he wants and favors for his trainers. Business as usual.
And i thought that this was a pretty big deal---clearly i am tone deaf as to how irrelevant YR has become.....
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And i thought that this was a pretty big deal---clearly i am tone deaf as to how irrelevant YR has become.....
just waiting for the Feds to shut it down
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Are you absolutely sure this has happened
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Are you absolutely sure this has happened
I know an owner that called the SBOA tonight. They confirmed the move, said the racing officer did it and offered no logic why it was done.
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Why would anyone waste a dime wagering there is beyond me. I know Monday nights are slow for racing but damn, just seeing Engblom listed as a trainer in almost every race should be a turnoff, let alone the other corruption, rampant drug use and boring racing product in general.
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They should be coming for the race secretary first, gay guy who thinks he's above the law
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If this is true the Yonkers race secretary & director of racing need to be fired. I wonder if bettors could sue...because no announcement was made.
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Amazing nothing was mentioned about the change...inexcusa ble.
Also amazing they managed to make the racing WORSE.
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Are there any harness tracks that actually want you to wager on their product? I guess hoosier. That's it? That's the entire list?
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Are there any harness tracks that actually want you to wager on their product? I guess hoosier. That's it? That's the entire list?
When there is no accountability for the free money, why would they? Whether they handle 10 million or 10 dollars, the welfare is the same.
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Are there any harness tracks that actually want you to wager on their product? I guess hoosier. That's it? That's the entire list?
now that Cal Expo is gone--i cannot think of any
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Yonkers could try so much harder but they choose not to
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Have to be nuts to play Yonkers. I watch for shits and giggles. Watching the follow the leader shit . That's so NOT racing in any way shape or form. It's all corrupt bullshit with same drivers and trainers cheating. Watch Bartlett and Gingras stiffing races regularly. I don't know how these guys haven't been banned from racing. Hopefully at some point they close that dump and put them all out of business!
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Yonkers could try so much harder but they choose not to
Considering that every race card is like an intimate book club meeting - what can be expected?
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Have to be nuts to play Yonkers. I watch for shits and giggles. Watching the follow the leader shit . That's so NOT racing in any way shape or form. It's all corrupt bullshit with same drivers and trainers cheating. Watch Bartlett and Gingras stiffing races regularly. I don't know how these guys haven't been banned from racing. Hopefully at some point they close that dump and put them all out of business!
how do you you 'stiff races regularly' and win 406 of 1,528 ? That's 26% win rate
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how do you you 'stiff races regularly' and win 406 of 1,528 ? That's 26% win rate
Stiff 74%
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/6-11-25/yonkers-raceway-adjusts-starting-point-races.html
As the finish line has moved positions over the years at MGM Yonkers Raceway, so has the starting point of each race.
Somewhere along the line, it was decided to “quick start” the races well before the actual starting point to allow horses on the outside of the gate a better opportunity to leave for position. That practice was officially halted on June 5.
This was done in order to comply with United States Trotting Association's rule 16.05, and in the interest of consistency from track to track, races are now starting much closer to the finish line, which at Yonkers is just before the first turn. The USTA rule states: “The starting point will be appropriately marked a distance of not less than two hundred feet from the first turn. The starter shall give the word 'go' at the starting point.”
“Horses were racing at distances well over a mile for way too long, and it wasn’t fair to the public to list the races as one mile,” said Yonkers Raceway's Racing Secretary Joe Frasure, who was part of the conversation to make the change, along with the presiding judge and starter. “It is important for us to be consistent with the other tracks in the state and the country.”
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https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/6-11-25/yonkers-raceway-adjusts-starting-point-races.html
As the finish line has moved positions over the years at MGM Yonkers Raceway, so has the starting point of each race.
Somewhere along the line, it was decided to “quick start” the races well before the actual starting point to allow horses on the outside of the gate a better opportunity to leave for position. That practice was officially halted on June 5.
This was done in order to comply with United States Trotting Association's rule 16.05, and in the interest of consistency from track to track, races are now starting much closer to the finish line, which at Yonkers is just before the first turn. The USTA rule states: “The starting point will be appropriately marked a distance of not less than two hundred feet from the first turn. The starter shall give the word 'go' at the starting point.”
“Horses were racing at distances well over a mile for way too long, and it wasn’t fair to the public to list the races as one mile,” said Yonkers Raceway's Racing Secretary Joe Frasure, who was part of the conversation to make the change, along with the presiding judge and starter. “It is important for us to be consistent with the other tracks in the state and the country.”
Well there goes 2 pages of degenerate gamblers complaining because they lost $2
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As of last Tuesday evening the starting car is now opening a 100 feet later and closer to the finish line. Since Tuesday the 6 7 8 have been basically dead. If they try to leave they hit the turn right away and are dead. Yonkers has not released this info to the betting public. This was confirmed to me by 2 judges tonite. They said the racing secretary made the decision..I was told by 1 judge if I didn't like it I should not bet. Yonkers management is definitely looking to destroy racing at Yonkers.
I really don’t understand all this crying about I was told “if you don’t like it don’t bet”. Go to McDonald’s and tell them there burgers suck (they do) see if they cater to you. No business is going to change their “recipe “ over one uninformed deadbeat
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I really don’t understand all this crying about I was told “if you don’t like it don’t bet”. Go to McDonald’s and tell them there burgers suck (they do) see if they cater to you. No business is going to change their “recipe “ over one uninformed deadbeat
Why did it take Yonkers a week to get the news out?
And why the shitty attitude towards patrons who called?
Why is that OK with you?
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Why did it take Yonkers a week to get the news out?
And why the shitty attitude towards patrons who called?
Why is that OK with you?
I struggled with the same questions for a long time. It makes no sense on the surface. Eventually I came to what I believe to be the certain answer. There is so much awful horrible shit going on behind the scenes thats needs to be covered up along with complete management incompetence that they would much rather tell you to just get the hell away from your business than address any questions or concerns
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I struggled with the same questions for a long time. It makes no sense on the surface. Eventually I came to what I believe to be the certain answer. There is so much awful horrible shit going on behind the scenes thats needs to be covered up along with complete management incompetence that they would much rather tell you to just get the hell away from your business than address any questions or concerns
I fear they've been treating Yonkers as their own private club in which the do as they wish....
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I fear they've been treating Yonkers as their own private club in which the do as they wish....
A good reason why they would flat out tell you to bet somewhere else and to stop asking questions about what they do and why they do it!
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Why did it take Yonkers a week to get the news out?
And why the shitty attitude towards patrons who called?
Why is that OK with you?
He's on plop like the rest of us. SD acts like he's better. That is some ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 shit!
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Why did it take Yonkers a week to get the news out?
And why the shitty attitude towards patrons who called?
Why is that OK with you?
If it took you more than 2 races to figure out you are a gambler not a handicapper. Obviously you were ok that they lied and said the horses were racing a mile. Instead of a mile and an 1/8.
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Stiff 74%
good answer!