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Title: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Horseradish on June 03, 2025, 09:23:33 PM
It'll be interesting to see the driver changes.


Here is the field for the first North America Cup elimination, with listed driver and trainer.

1. Captain Hurley - Travis Cullen - Jodie Cullen
​2. Bourbon County - Trevor Henry - Paul Reid
​3. Joel And The Jets - Doug McNair - Dr. Ian Moore
​4. Fast Choice - Doug McNair - Jared Bako
​5. Avanti - Yannick Gingras - Melissa Essig
​6. Knockout Round - Andrew McCarthy - Tony Alagna
​7. Captain Optimistic - Dexter Dunn - Nancy Takter
​8. Swingtown - Yannick Gingras - Ron Burke


The field for the second North America Cup elimination is listed below, with listed driver and trainer.

1. Mad River - Yannick Gingras - Per Engblom
​2. Sterling Choice - Billy Davis - Blake MacIntosh
​3. Papis Pistol - Andy Miller - Sam De Pinto
​4. Lite Up The World - James MacDonald - Anthony Beaton
​5. Crack Shot - Doug McNair - Gregg McNair
​6. Sippinonsearoc - Yannick Gingras - Ron Burke
​7. Fallout - Tim Tetrick - Tony Alagna
​8. Madden Oaks - Braxten Boyd - Cameron Capone


The field for the third North America Cup elimination is listed below, with listed driver and trainer.

1. Prince Hal Hanover - David Miller - Dr. Ian Moore
​2. Making History - Brett Beckwith - Tony Alagna
​3. Dandy Ideal - Jason Bartlett - Hunter Oakes
​4. Th Kay C Crunch - Jody Jamieson - Carl Jamieson
​5. Courts On Fire - Doug McNair - Blake MacIntosh
​6. Louprint - Ronnie Wrenn Jr. - Ron Burke
​7. Pants On Fire - Ronnie Wrenn Jr. - Brian Brown
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: LUCPARK on June 03, 2025, 09:28:23 PM
🙏🙏🙏.

I知 hoping my colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Harness racer on June 03, 2025, 09:37:06 PM
🙏🙏🙏.

My colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏

Good Luck!   tmbz1
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on June 03, 2025, 10:21:52 PM
What an odd group of drivers - no drives for T McCarthy/Zeron/Louis and Beckwith was put down as many times as Dex, Tetrick, David Miller and Andy McCarthy.

Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Chips N Salsa on June 03, 2025, 11:10:44 PM
🙏🙏🙏.

I知 hoping my colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏

You have no driver
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Harness racer on June 03, 2025, 11:16:58 PM
Dave Miller or Roy would be my guess but who knows.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: hoosierboy on June 04, 2025, 08:56:17 AM
🙏🙏🙏.

I知 hoping my colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏

Good luck
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: pylon on June 04, 2025, 09:23:22 AM
im assuming Engblom.s suspension is either stayed or under appeal...it would be sad if he makes the final and actually wins....and Jodie Cullen, Hunter Oakes and jared Bako all have questionable pasts,...but i will still watch but with cynicism
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Yonkers1A on June 04, 2025, 09:26:31 AM
🙏🙏🙏.

I知 hoping my colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏

Good luck

Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: LUCPARK on June 04, 2025, 09:53:13 AM
Dave Miller or Roy would be my guess but who knows.

prob j mac or todd mc
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: SeattleSlew on June 04, 2025, 10:07:30 AM
Dave Miller or Roy would be my guess but who knows.

Don't think Dave Miller is crossing the boarder??
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Pacer 2 on June 04, 2025, 10:43:36 AM
Don't think Dave Miller is crossing the boarder??

     Can he thank Trump for that?
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Scooteroo on June 04, 2025, 11:58:11 AM
Don't think Dave Miller is crossing the boarder??

I have the past performances for Friday night and Miller is listed on 2 horses.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: HarnessFan1981 on June 04, 2025, 12:15:07 PM
Final Changes

1. Captain Hurley - Travis Cullen - Jodie Cullen
​2. Bourbon County - Trevor Henry - Paul Reid
​3. Joel And The Jets - Doug McNair - Dr. Ian Moore
​4. Fast Choice - Jason Bartlett - Jared Bako
​5. Avanti - James Macdonald - Melissa Essig
​6. Knockout Round - Scott Zeron - Tony Alagna
​7. Captain Optimistic - Dexter Dunn - Nancy Takter
​8. Swingtown - Yannick Gingras - Ron Burke

1. Mad River - Louis Philippe Roy - Per Engblom
​2. Sterling Choice - Billy Davis Jr. - Blake MacIntosh
​3. Papis Pistol - Andy Miller - Sam De Pinto
​4. Lite Up The World - James MacDonald - Anthony Beaton
​5. Crack Shot - Doug McNair - Gregg McNair
​6. Sippinonsearoc - Yannick Gingras - Ron Burke
​7. Fallout - Tim Tetrick - Tony Alagna
​8. Madden Oaks - Braxten Boyd - Cameron Capone

1. Prince Hal Hanover - David Miller - Dr. Ian Moore
​2. Making History - Brett Beckwith - Tony Alagna
​3. Dandy Ideal - Jason Bartlett - Hunter Oakes
​4. Th Kay C Crunch - Jody Jamieson - Carl Jamieson
​5. Courts On Fire - Doug McNair - Blake MacIntosh
​6. Louprint - Ronnie Wrenn Jr. - Ron Burke
​7. Pants On Fire - Dexter Dunn - Brian Brown

Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on June 04, 2025, 02:20:03 PM
Good luck Lucpark. You can't win it if you're not in it. LOL. Any given Sunday baby. That's why they run the races.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Papillon on June 04, 2025, 02:43:08 PM
Unfortunately with 3 eliminations only the top 3 finishers are guaranteed to advance along with a randomly drawn 4th place finisher which makes it more difficult for longshots who need to trip out to have a chance.

whether its 3 divisions or 2, nobody will be all out and try to win-the idea is to qualify for the Final

they should be non betting races

4 divisions would be ideal where only the top 2 qualify--make them 5 horse fields

also--since posts #1 and #2 are considered poor--do the elim winners get to choose the posts?
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Scooteroo on June 04, 2025, 03:09:32 PM
It would be idea if you had (3) ten horse fields, then you need to be aggressive. I still think they will be trying to win with only the top 3 finishers advancing. I'm almost sure the winners get to choose their posts and usually take anywhere from pp3 to pp6. I still think you want to win because if you're too conservative you may end up watching the race next week.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: pylon on June 04, 2025, 03:54:36 PM
It would be idea if you had (3) ten horse fields, then you need to be aggressive. I still think they will be trying to win with only the top 3 finishers advancing. I'm almost sure the winners get to choose their posts and usually take anywhere from pp3 to pp6. I still think you want to win because if you're too conservative you may end up watching the race next week.

or finish 2nd  or 3rd then draw the 10 hole in the final
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Papillon on June 04, 2025, 04:23:30 PM
I believe last year they "assigned" winners of elims from posts #2 through #6

so you could win and get stuck with a horrible #2 spot if that is the case

winners should get 4-5-6 and choose-not be assigned
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on June 04, 2025, 04:27:21 PM
According to the race conditions, the top three finishers from each elimination advance to the final, plus one fourth-place finisher which will be drawn by lot. The winners of each elimination will draw for posts two through six.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Papillon on June 04, 2025, 06:26:24 PM
According to the race conditions, the top three finishers from each elimination advance to the final, plus one fourth-place finisher which will be drawn by lot. The winners of each elimination will draw for posts two through six.

for some reason, WEG seems to think posts 2 to 6 are basically equivalent--and that shows ignorance, post #6 obviously is best but post #5 is clearly the 2nd best post

I would rather have post #7 or post #8 over post #2

they should be allowed to choose--not a blind draw from 2-6
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Brown jug on June 04, 2025, 06:39:39 PM
agreed, pappilon
not sure why they make it so difficult
put the 3 winners in a draw and they get picked out and they each pick their post
then do the same with second place finishers
then the third place finishers

Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Harness racer on June 04, 2025, 06:59:03 PM
Agree there has to be a better way.  Something like this might liven up elimination races.  As they are mostly unbettable now.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on June 04, 2025, 10:16:37 PM
The more I look at this race, the more I like it...the final that is. LOL.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Sweet Louis 6 on June 05, 2025, 12:43:59 AM
Lucpark good luck this weekend...hopeful ly make the final and see what happens.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on June 05, 2025, 09:38:01 AM
Someone at the track said that if there were only 3 eliminations, then the winners draw for 3 through 5, and then PP's 2 and 6 are only added if need be. I didn't read anything like that in the race conditions, nor did I hear anything like that. While I don't think it's true, it might be a good idea.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: RR70s on June 05, 2025, 09:51:13 AM
🙏🙏🙏.

I知 hoping my colt in first division does well   
We just took a shot   Try n have a little fun

🙏🙏

Good Luck  tmbz1
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Papillon on June 05, 2025, 09:52:56 AM
Someone at the track said that if there were only 3 eliminations, then the winners draw for 3 through 5, and then PP's 2 and 6 are only added if need be. I didn't read anything like that in the race conditions, nor did I hear anything like that. While I don't think it's true, it might be a good idea.


why would you penalize an elim winner by not having them have post #6?

do you realize how big the advantage is for that post?

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Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: darnoldrocks on June 05, 2025, 10:13:49 AM
Lucpark, what is your horses name?
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: LUCPARK on June 05, 2025, 10:26:23 AM
Lucpark, what is your horses name?

Avanti
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Scooteroo on June 06, 2025, 11:09:36 AM
Hard to believe neither Todd or Andrew McCarthy has any drives on NA Cup Night.
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Papillon on June 06, 2025, 11:15:23 AM
Avanti

good luck Mr. Park

maybe Jmac works his magic and creates a golden trip and you make it to next week. tmbz1

the race looks wide open on paper
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on June 06, 2025, 01:23:32 PM
Hard to believe neither Todd or Andrew McCarthy has any drives on NA Cup Night.

Outside of Burke the list of trainers is a bit non-traditional - no Pelling, Ryder, Takter only with 1.  Race definitely also has a Canadian flavor as most of the stakes up there do.  This has lead to Andy Miller and Braxton Boyd types being listed.  McCarthy did have a drive on Duration in the Roses are Red - curious how Scotty ended up with that and the drive on Knockout Round

Does anyone know what actually happened with Dunn and Miller.  Both are back down this week and I assume things have been cleared up
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Muggsy Mitty on June 06, 2025, 06:24:41 PM
I will be playing Making History in the 3rd division, with the Kid driving 1st time ever in Canada
Title: Re: Eliminations Drawn For 2025 Pepsi North America Cup
Post by: Bllack Bridle on June 06, 2025, 10:28:10 PM
Absolutely stacked fields

 tmbz1 tmbz1
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