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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness Racing Revolution on May 25, 2025, 07:40:02 PM
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Here's why Howard acted so impulsively last night before I got the call from his "very good friend".
He never thought the records he turned over to the government that can bury ALL his partners would ever be released. Or heard outside the courtroom. Two videos, my livestream laying it out and then the actual ten years of records by Equestology. The commissions can't ignore this. It's BAD.
https://youtube.com/live/MSxdxx7NV3w?feature=share
https://youtu.be/i65aJUFEbGg?si=mLFR5QzrU3IF7Q6D
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It looks like Taylor purchased a whole lot of BB3. The check payments show the partners did to.Wow!!! There is an honor amongst those thieves.
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Unfortunately I don't think it's going to play out like Mike and many would like it to. In every case, there's always the Jeff Gillis, the proverbial fall guy that just didn't think it through and falls victim to a wire tap. But Howard Taylor isn't stupid and operates on another level, as seen by his defamation suit against Gural. So unless you can produce a wiretap, similar to that of Jeff Gillis', it will become very difficult to prove he knew that charges from a vet were for some banned substances. trainer responsibility and owner's responsibility are two very different things in the harness world. I think the likely outcome is he will have to answer to the Dowse testimony that he was purposely and knowingly using Josh Marks, s suspended trainer at the time, to train his horses as a beard. What will be very interesting to see though is what line the commissions take with Taylor. Will it be firm as with Gillis, that is, you're done and if you want to appeal so be it but for now you can't participate. Or will they consult their legal teams and respect due process. Running over guys like Gillis, Allard and Surick is one thing, taking on a seasoned and well funded attorney is quite another. I just can't see them taking a risk of losing a multi-million dollar lawsuit which is sure to come.
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Unfortunately I don't think it's going to play out like Mike and many would like it to. In every case, there's always the Jeff Gillis, the proverbial fall guy that just didn't think it through and falls victim to a wire tap. But Howard Taylor isn't stupid and operates on another level, as seen by his defamation suit against Gural. So unless you can produce a wiretap, similar to that of Jeff Gillis', it will become very difficult to prove he knew that charges from a vet were for some banned substances. trainer responsibility and owner's responsibility are two very different things in the harness world. I think the likely outcome is he will have to answer to the Dowse testimony that he was purposely and knowingly using Josh Marks, s suspended trainer at the time, to train his horses as a beard. What will be very interesting to see though is what line the commissions take with Taylor. Will it be firm as with Gillis, that is, you're done and if you want to appeal so be it but for now you can't participate. Or will they consult their legal teams and respect due process. Running over guys like Gillis, Allard and Surick is one thing, taking on a seasoned and well funded attorney is quite another. I just can't see them taking a risk of losing a multi-million dollar lawsuit which is sure to come.
I'd rather die trying as opposed to lying down in submission.
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The big question should be how does the small guy ever have a chance in racing? Knowing that not only do you start off with cheaper less bred animals, but you also have to compete with high power octane in those better animals??? Kinda makes you want to just say screw it why bother even trying to race.
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The big question should be how does the small guy ever have a chance in racing? Knowing that not only do you start off with cheaper less bred animals, but you also have to compete with high power octane in those better animals??? Kinda makes you want to just say screw it why bother even trying to race.
If what's happening right now doesn't have the traction to take down at least a few of these serial cheaters, NOPE. You see what Jeff Gural posted to HRU? This doesn't seem like someone who is concerned about you guys. He's more concerned with who takes credit for what his team didn't do. I emailed him and asked would have preferred it never been done? Or is he just angry a loser like me had the balls to walk right into the fire. Sad.
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I truly admire you Mike but I think you're going down the wrong road taking shots at Gural. Is he my favourite person in racing, no but he has tried to get rid of the cheats and everyone should at minimum acknowledge the effort. I think you highlighting who did the real work is a tad petty and just serves to give ammunition to those that are trying to discredit you. I respect what you're trying to do and sincerely wish you the best, both in terms of outcome and your personal health. Moving forward, it's cool to acknowledge the agents who brought the charges to light but stay focus on spitting facts and let the audience judge those accordingly.
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Guys always been trash
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If what's happening right now doesn't have the traction to take down at least a few of these serial cheaters, NOPE. You see what Jeff Gural posted to HRU? This doesn't seem like someone who is concerned about you guys. He's more concerned with who takes credit for what his team didn't do. I emailed him and asked would have preferred it never been done? Or is he just angry a loser like me had the balls to walk right into the fire. Sad.
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A list of names and he has excluded like 4 people. Good job Jeffie you lying fuck. You have let back cheat after cheat and still allow a fat Swede to continue to race at your tracks despite a 2 year old positive. Good job Jeffie!
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who has he allowed from the list of 32?
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32? A lot more names than that on there. How about the Bongiornos being banned and let back in?
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who has he allowed from the list of 32?
Jen Bo? Scottie D? Bobby Bo back as a groom?
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Gural said that two of the people had their counsel reach out to him to inquire about the suspensions. Maybe those where the two and after discussions were permitted back by Jeff. According to Jeff, there was a path but only after some context as to the relationship with Fishman was established.I also think those two mentioned didn't purchase BB3 off of Fishman which seem to be the breaking point with Jeff. Again, not disputing irregularities in Jeff's position of who was barred and who got a pass, just trying to have an educated discussion as to why. I think it's important that we stay laser-focused on the various commissions that did nothing with this damaging info.
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The big question should be how does the small guy ever have a chance in racing? Knowing that not only do you start off with cheaper less bred animals, but you also have to compete with high power octane in those better animals??? Kinda makes you want to just say screw it why bother even trying to race.
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It’s owners like Prevost that we compete against. There are many others like him and we all know one at least by name. When he sells one on ongait i value them as un buyable as who could trust anything these people sell.
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Well said and couldn't agree more. Most owners have a job or business and get into the game with others to enjoy some free time. Most just want to break even and treat the barn staff well. Then you have the others who rarely own with others, are on top of everything and will not accept poor results. Those are well known and we should strive to get rid of them at all costs and any trainer associated with them for some period of time. They, along with the select vets who are always associated with the high percentage outfits, are the scourge of the sport. I just have no time for the lazy and indifferent commissions that haven't protected the other 90% of the industry. Pathetic and good for Petrelli for sticking his neck out to hopefully get things going in the right direction.
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Gural said that two of the people had their counsel reach out to him to inquire about the suspensions. Maybe those where the two and after discussions were permitted back by Jeff. According to Jeff, there was a path but only after some context as to the relationship with Fishman was established.I also think those two mentioned didn't purchase BB3 off of Fishman which seem to be the breaking point with Jeff. Again, not disputing irregularities in Jeff's position of who was barred and who got a pass, just trying to have an educated discussion as to why. I think it's important that we stay laser-focused on the various commissions that did nothing with this damaging info.
Beyond this particular event how many times were the bongiornos suspended/banned/caught? How many passes do they get from gural?
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Wouldn't it be nice to someday see honest people competing again. Honest people getting a shot to win some of the money that has been unattainable due to all the cheats.
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Wouldn't it be nice to someday see honest people competing again. Honest people getting a shot to win some of the money that has been unattainable due to all the cheats.
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Wouldn't it be nice to someday see honest people competing again. Honest people getting a shot to win some of the money that has been unattainable due to all the cheats.
Never happen it's the nature of the beast to fuk over your fellow man. It's not just horse racing. Its every sport where there's money involved.
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Never happen it's the nature of the beast to fuk over your fellow man. It's not just horse racing. Its every sport where there's money involved.
And this I do agree. But harness racing is special that for the most part the same people who govern it also compete for the money. And the other night I believe I pretty much verified what most of us agree on. Even the commissions are owned. What did Zubkoff say? Very good friend Howard AND he used to train for him. So he has a monetary interest with him.
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What are the names of the horses on the list?
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Well said and couldn't agree more. Most owners have a job or business and get into the game with others to enjoy some free time. Most just want to break even and treat the barn staff well. Then you have the others who rarely own with others, are on top of everything and will not accept poor results. Those are well known and we should strive to get rid of them at all costs and any trainer associated with them for some period of time. They, along with the select vets who are always associated with the high percentage outfits, are the scourge of the sport. I just have no time for the lazy and indifferent commissions that haven't protected the other 90% of the industry. Pathetic and good for Petrelli for sticking his neck out to hopefully get things going in the right direction.
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When are you going to give it a rest and start thinking about your family? Nobody really cares about these people
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You know what amazes me? is the time and dedication you put forth try to impress people that could care less about you when you have a family that you've neglected.. That's simply amazing to me.
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You know what amazes me? is the time and dedication you put forth try to impress people that could care less about you when you have a family that you've neglected.. That's simply amazing to me.
What is amazing to me is how people like you try to deflect from the cheaters. What is your interest in keeping the cheating?
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What is amazing to me is how people like you try to deflect from the cheaters. What is your interest in keeping the cheating?
how many usernames do you have Mike?
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https://youtu.be/qwTLtqmMxd4
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And this I do agree. But harness racing is special that for the most part the same people who govern it also compete for the money. And the other night I believe I pretty much verified what most of us agree on. Even the commissions are owned. What did Zubkoff say? Very good friend Howard AND he used to train for him. So he has a monetary interest with him.
Who hurt you? ngc3 ngc3
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When are you going to give it a rest and start thinking about your family? Nobody really cares about these people
It sure is creepy how you are so worried about someone else's family.
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i hope mike gets all of them
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What is amazing to me is how people like you try to deflect from the cheaters. What is your interest in keeping the cheating?
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What is amazing to me is how people like you try to deflect from the cheaters. What is your interest in keeping the cheating?
tmbz1
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It’s owners like Prevost that we compete against. There are many others like him and we all know one at least by name. When he sells one on ongait i value them as un buyable as who could trust anything these people sell.
Prevost and Devita win the FM Open at Yonkers tonight! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Taylor has a lot of horses racing up north with various trainers, does he send them with their own special care kits?
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Taylor has a lot of horses racing up north with various trainers, does he send them with their own special care kits?
The way to stop all this is quite simple...Trainer gets a positive then Owner of said horse who employees the trainer gets days as well! Show me a cheating trainer and I'll show you a corrupt owner.
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The way to stop all this is quite simple...Trainer gets a positive then Owner of said horse who employees the trainer gets days as well! Show me a cheating trainer and I'll show you a corrupt owner.
Suspend the horse. Done.
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Suspend the horse. Done.
I’ve been saying that for years. It’s the only thing the makes sense, yet it will never be done.
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Here's why Howard acted so impulsively last night before I got the call from his "very good friend".
He never thought the records he turned over to the government that can bury ALL his partners would ever be released. Or heard outside the courtroom. Two videos, my livestream laying it out and then the actual ten years of records by Equestology. The commissions can't ignore this. It's BAD.
https://youtube.com/live/MSxdxx7NV3w?feature=share
https://youtu.be/i65aJUFEbGg?si=mLFR5QzrU3IF7Q6D
I forgot the amount of time you spent on YouTube that makes it even worse......... All this wasted time for nothing when you have a family..... Do you actually think these people really care about what you say or about you?..... very sad and you're not even making any money at this
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Congrats all around to Howard Taylor and Dylan Davis for winning the 2nd race at Harrington. And congrats to the Delaware racing commission for allowing them to take another $5k out of the purse fund when they knew all along their names were on the Fishman list and what they bought. tmbz1
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I forgot the amount of time you spent on YouTube that makes it even worse......... All this wasted time for nothing when you have a family..... Do you actually think these people really care about what you say or about you?..... very sad and you're not even making any money at this
Keep telling yourself things and you will start believing it even though you are outnumbered 4200 to1. 4200 the number of views.
Most of those people don’t care about SCM s family or personal life.
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Keep telling yourself things and you will start believing it even though you are outnumbered 4200 to1. 4200 the number of views.
Most of those people don’t care about SCM s family or personal life.
That’s how you can tell they have nothing else to dispute the facts. Try to sway the attention elsewhere. Same idiots spouting the same old stuff!
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Taylor has a lot of horses racing up north with various trainers, does he send them with their own special care kits?
when a dumb fuck decides to list his wife as an owner on horses so she has photo with her name listed as owner…..what could go wrong? She ended up in an fbi investigation into drugging horses. Home life gotta be a nightmare
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I forgot the amount of time you spent on YouTube that makes it even worse......... All this wasted time for nothing when you have a family..... Do you actually think these people really care about what you say or about you?..... very sad and you're not even making any money at this
How about all the wasted time you, Pacer 2, and Gaagoots spend on Horseplop?. 3-fuckin Jerk-offs..and I will bet that the odds of ALL THREE of you are 1-9 that you..... "Lick Men's Assholes"
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THIS FUCKIN HORSEPLOPS IS GETTING better
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No shit sherlock. They jammed EPO into a 3yr old last year and snatched a nice prize or two before selling for a million. If by a chance out of competition test for EPO, that would have been just another example. All horses need to be checked for blood counts every week while racing, regardless of the cost to the industry. And those that are found guilty must be brought before charges swiftly and shown the door for life. Only way to clean up the game now that horses are no longer stabled on the backstretch. Send someone to Hong Kong and copy their comprehensive policies on testing. Training facilities were the game changer that permitted blood builders and next level pain killers to propagate horse racing. In retrospect, thinking local racing commissions could police these unscrupulous win at all costs characters was terribly naive. Just look now after what Mike has painstakingly laid out, people are still actively racing and winning races. How are you still licensed if your name was on Fishman's list for buying any of the non-therapeutic drugs? It's insane!
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No shit sherlock. They jammed EPO into a 3yr old last year and snatched a nice prize or two before selling for a million. If by a chance out of competition test for EPO, that would have been just another example. All horses need to be checked for blood counts every week while racing, regardless of the cost to the industry. And those that are found guilty must be brought before charges swiftly and shown the door for life. Only way to clean up the game now that horses are no longer stabled on the backstretch. Send someone to Hong Kong and copy their comprehensive policies on testing. Training facilities were the game changer that permitted blood builders and next level pain killers to propagate horse racing. In retrospect, thinking local racing commissions could police these unscrupulous win at all costs characters was terribly naive. Just look now after what Mike has painstakingly laid out, people are still actively racing and winning races. How are you still licensed if your name was on Fishman's list for buying any of the non-therapeutic drugs? It's insane!
See your last two sentences. EVERYONE should be calling the USTA and every commission asking the same thing. REMEMBER, people went to PRISON for the same thing. Others lost their right to compete after a single executive meeting. START SCREAMING!!!!
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How about all the wasted time you, Pacer 2, and Gaagoots spend on Horseplop?. 3-fuckin Jerk-offs..and I will bet that the odds of ALL THREE of you are 1-9 that you..... "Lick Men's Assholes"
ngc3 ngc3 I laugh everytime you say that ngc3 ngc3
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See your last two sentences. EVERYONE should be calling the USTA and every commission asking the same thing. REMEMBER, people went to PRISON for the same thing. Others lost their right to compete after a single executive meeting. START SCREAMING!!!!
The day to day horsemen and women are akin to the thin blue line. In other words, no matter how bad one of their members acts, they still belong on their team. And just like the Police Association, the horsemens' associations are all to ready to defend the indefensible. You'd hope that would change but my little straw poll indicates that it's much the same. Always disappointing, always predictable.
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The day to day horsemen and women are akin to the thin blue line. In other words, no matter how bad one of their members acts, they still belong on their team. And just like the Police Association, the horsemens' associations are all to ready to defend the indefensible. You'd hope that would change but my little straw poll indicates that it's much the same. Always disappointing, always predictable.
And that will lead to the demise of what is left.