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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Chips N Salsa on May 10, 2025, 09:55:48 PM
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Let’s talk about the elephant in the broadcast booth: Jessica Otten and Dave Little are driving people away from the Meadowlands product.
These two spend every broadcast talking 100mph about absolutely nothing anyone actually cares about. It's a constant stream of personal opinions, inside jokes, and commentary so detached from the average bettor's experience that it’s borderline unwatchable. They sound more like they’re doing a live podcast for their friends than hosting a national racing broadcast.
Here’s a suggestion: watch TVG. Those broadcasters know how to actually serve the audience — they educate, inform, and most importantly, focus on the horses, trainers, and wagering strategy, not their own gambling habits.
No one watching cares how much you are betting, what you played in the pick 5, or how tilted you are tonight. This isn’t your diary. Your job is to help the betting public — not pretend you're giving some masterclass on how to be a degenerate gambler.
Meadowlands, if you want to be taken seriously again as a top-tier betting product, clean up the booth. The constant babble, lack of clear wagering advice, and self-indulgent nonsense is turning your broadcasts into background noise — and not the kind anyone wants to hear.
You have world-class racing. Now act like it.
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Remember the saying "You get what you paid for"
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Jessica otten has to be the most annoying person in horse racing today. Cackling voice. Not attractive and voice omg I put tv on mute every time they come on
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Let’s talk about the elephant in the broadcast booth: Jessica Otten and Dave Little are driving people away from the Meadowlands product.
These two spend every broadcast talking 100mph about absolutely nothing anyone actually cares about. It's a constant stream of personal opinions, inside jokes, and commentary so detached from the average bettor's experience that it’s borderline unwatchable. They sound more like they’re doing a live podcast for their friends than hosting a national racing broadcast.
Here’s a suggestion: watch TVG. Those broadcasters know how to actually serve the audience — they educate, inform, and most importantly, focus on the horses, trainers, and wagering strategy, not their own gambling habits.
No one watching cares how much you are betting, what you played in the pick 5, or how tilted you are tonight. This isn’t your diary. Your job is to help the betting public — not pretend you're giving some masterclass on how to be a degenerate gambler.
Meadowlands, if you want to be taken seriously again as a top-tier betting product, clean up the booth. The constant babble, lack of clear wagering advice, and self-indulgent nonsense is turning your broadcasts into background noise — and not the kind anyone wants to hear.
You have world-class racing. Now act like it.
TVG/FanDuel does a good job covering T-bred racing, but almost all their commentators except Dave Weaver have little or no knowledge when it comes to harness racing and it shows when they're on the air.
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Remember the saying "You get what you paid for"
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My god I hope they didn’t buy Dave Little by the pound! ngc3
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Regarding an approach to gambling, every single thing they say and every single strategy they teach is 100% wrong. Gural and settlemoir have no idea how much these 2 have hurt their business. People actually listen and learn from them. Then they never come back again
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Do you honestly believe the average viewer tunes into the broadcast to hear their picks, I don't. In recent years track commentators are always coming up with Pick 4 and Pick 5 tickets including the people on TVG/FanDuel. Whether they're required to do it I'm not sure, but half of them have trouble picking 1 winner, let alone 4 or 5.
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Jessica otten has to be the most annoying person in horse racing today. Cackling voice. Not attractive and voice omg I put tv on mute every time they come on
So glad I'm not the only one! Ortem is the main reason I stopped playing Meadowlands. I can't stand her. If ibdpnwatch I have to mute it. Her voice is so friggin annoying. I think those 2 clowns are part of the problem. They talk shit and nothing else
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Dave is good on post-race interviews but nothing else, Jessica is only there because she's a woman, and for some reason racetracks think it attracts more male viewers, but it really doesn't.
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Do you honestly believe the average viewer tunes into the broadcast to hear their picks, I don't. In recent years track commentators are always coming up with Pick 4 and Pick 5 tickets including the people on TVG/FanDuel. Whether they're required to do it I'm not sure, but half of them have trouble picking 1 winner, let alone 4 or 5.
I don't think it. I know it. Those horrible tvg bets they put out have been destroying their audience for decades. Far worse, it's the customers who are newer to racing that listen and tail the bets. Nobody is tuning in strictly for picks but when you walk i to the M1 of TVG, you are hit over the head with garbage wagering advice. New people believe those bets are the right way to approach it. They have no clue just how bad it is.
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It's definitely getting old, they should've just let Gabe take over
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I don't think it. I know it. Those horrible tvg bets they put out have been destroying their audience for decades. Far worse, it's the customers who are newer to racing that listen and tail the bets. Nobody is tuning in strictly for picks but when you walk i to the M1 of TVG, you are hit over the head with garbage wagering advice. New people believe those bets are the right way to approach it. They have no clue just how bad it is.
They throw so many stats at you to make themselves look smart and some people actually do believe they're experts and know what they're talking about. TVG/FanDuel is mainly a T-bred network, and they don't have anyone with enough knowledge about harness racing other than Dave Weaver to make selections and give out Pick 4 and Pick 5 tickets, but they do anyway. Their commentary about harness racing is basically worthless.
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There is a downward trend in the handle. I mean, IT'S terrible. The 2 used to rave about how they are hitting the 3 million dollar mark each night. Last night, they missed that total by a MILLION DOLLARS. Dont be surprised if changes are made.
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I heard they tried raising the host fees on many of the ADW's and alot of them balked at it, and they're no longer taking their signal.
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My god I hope they didn’t buy Dave Little by the pound! ngc3
Buffett vouchers
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They need more racing, they should handicap and broadcast Tioga and the Meadowlands. like NYRA and Oaklawn
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They need more racing, they should handicap and broadcast Tioga and the Meadowlands. like NYRA and Oaklawn
Can you imagine that freak Shades announcing races on a national broadcast, it would be torture.
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They need more racing, they should handicap and broadcast Tioga and the Meadowlands. like NYRA and Oaklawn
the ratings would be 0.0--nobody would pay to put any commercials on that channel
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Can you imagine that freak Shades announcing races on a national broadcast, it would be torture.
Speaking of Shades. He told a concerned trainer this past week in a phone call that the reason he allowed the Bourgault girlfriend horse to race at Tioga is he was cleared by Meadowlands channels, Brice Cote AND that "hardly anyone knows Bourgault is connected to her". Nice.
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Let’s talk about the elephant in the broadcast booth: Jessica Otten and Dave Little are driving people away from the Meadowlands product.
These two spend every broadcast talking 100mph about absolutely nothing anyone actually cares about. It's a constant stream of personal opinions, inside jokes, and commentary so detached from the average bettor's experience that it’s borderline unwatchable. They sound more like they’re doing a live podcast for their friends than hosting a national racing broadcast.
Here’s a suggestion: watch TVG. Those broadcasters know how to actually serve the audience — they educate, inform, and most importantly, focus on the horses, trainers, and wagering strategy, not their own gambling habits.
No one watching cares how much you are betting, what you played in the pick 5, or how tilted you are tonight. This isn’t your diary. Your job is to help the betting public — not pretend you're giving some masterclass on how to be a degenerate gambler.
Meadowlands, if you want to be taken seriously again as a top-tier betting product, clean up the booth. The constant babble, lack of clear wagering advice, and self-indulgent nonsense is turning your broadcasts into background noise — and not the kind anyone wants to hear.
You have world-class racing. Now act like it.
They are fine. The Meadowlans broadcast is fine. This place is so petty.
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Speaking of Shades. He told a concerned trainer this past week in a phone call that the reason he allowed the Bourgault girlfriend horse to race at Tioga is he was cleared by Meadowlands channels, Brice Cote AND that "hardly anyone knows Bourgault is connected to her". Nice.
When you work for Gural you have to do what you're told and be a puppet if you want to keep your low paying job.
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They are fine. The Meadowlans broadcast is fine. This place is so petty.
When Dave Brower was still alive the broadcast was much better because he was a good handicapper and he and Little got along well.
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A good way to get Dave Little out of the booth is a donut attached to the end of a fishing line, reel him in.
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You would need a crane to reel him in.
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You would need a crane to reel him in.
And the fishing line would have to be 2 ton test.
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Her sister Jenna who does that for Scioto Downs is much better.
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I don’t mind them. The TVG people are much more annoying. Sending crews of 6,7 people to tracks. I listen to their picks and throw them out. I’m know I’m stuck in the past but watched the RR/YR show on WOR-9 with Stan Bernstein was the best. Spencer Ross was the announcer and Stan was the commentator much like the way a sports telecast works. I always found Stan informative.
I remember him explaining to newer viewers about handicapping and always saying the second quarter was the key quarter in a race when most thought 1st and last quarter, and how Watching replays and forming your own opinion was best.
That’s why I to this day don’t look at ML and go by what I see.
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I don’t mind them. The TVG people are much more annoying. Sending crews of 6,7 people to tracks. I listen to their picks and throw them out. I’m know I’m stuck in the past but watched the RR/YR show on WOR-9 with Stan Bernstein was the best. Spencer Ross was the announcer and Stan was the commentator much like the way a sports telecast works. I always found Stan informative.
I remember him explaining to newer viewers about handicapping and always saying the second quarter was the key quarter in a race when most thought 1st and last quarter, and how Watching replays and forming your own opinion was best.
That’s why I to this day don’t look at ML and go by what I see.
That was a great show. The theme song for RR was here comes the express.
The theme song for YR was I believe in Yonkers.
In later years I happened to hear Spencer Ross calling a college basketball game as I was channeling my tv around.
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what's with all the jessica hate? btw i find her look sexy as hell
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Forget about her looks, she adds very little insight to the broadcast.
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A good way to get Dave Little out of the booth is a donut attached to the end of a fishing line, reel him in.
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or a Quarter Pounder with Cheese tmbz1
Think he would break the line though 73cv.2 ngc3
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Her sister Jenna who does that for Scioto Downs is much better.
100%! HUGE difference.
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They don't watch qualifiers. They don't watch races from other tracks so they don't offer any insight into shippers and how they stack up against the competition.
Gabe does all that and gave his opinion based on a gambler's perspectives. Yes he does bet other combos other than what he gives out on tv more as cover bets. Gabe can also map out a race scenario, does it always work out. No
All I hear is verbal diarrhea from Dave and Jessica, they can't read a program and imagine how a race is going to setup.
I could tell you who Little is going to gravitate to bc it will be the program favourite, not the hidden horse taking money.
Hell I've watched close to 150 000 + races in my lifetime and could offer a lot better takes on races than these two. One thing public cappers have a disadvantage in is reading will pays,odds cycle changes, watching scoredowns and such that others have more time to absorb.
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Dave does good work , a nice guy also , you folks don't know talent
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The Otten's on the other hand got thrown out here in MI long ago , when weed head Peter Otten got caught with drugs
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They don't watch qualifiers. They don't watch races from other tracks so they don't offer any insight into shippers and how they stack up against the competition.
Gabe does all that and gave his opinion based on a gambler's perspectives. Yes he does bet other combos other than what he gives out on tv more as cover bets. Gabe can also map out a race scenario, does it always work out. No
All I hear is verbal diarrhea from Dave and Jessica, they can't read a program and imagine how a race is going to setup.
I could tell you who Little is going to gravitate to bc it will be the program favourite, not the hidden horse taking money.
Hell I've watched close to 150 000 + races in my lifetime and could offer a lot better takes on races than these two. One thing public cappers have a disadvantage in is reading will pays,odds cycle changes, watching scoredowns and such that others have more time to absorb.
You are very accurate. If your strategy is to bet all the favorites, you have no chance. On top of that, he isn't sharp enough to identify favorites in advance of the race.
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Now this might sound crazy. But if you are truly trying to attract a younger demographic. First, how many people Jess' age watch the Meadowlands show? Not in the industry either. The idea is to relate and engage a new audience right? Jess is young and she's not stupid. But she is so far from relatable anyone her age first tuning in will tune right back out. The high pitch stuff with scrambled info that anyone outside the industry doesn't understand is useless. Why pitch to the crowd who's already in the game? That's all they're doing, and maybe the older degenerates who watch and wager. But you know who did the job correctly? Spoke in a simplistic and relatable way to newbies? Almost like the Starbucks barista of harness racing? Jenn Bongiorno. And she even did that show from Trotters which had she not had to split the duty with whats his face would have been a helluva content for TikTok. And why doesn't The Meadowlands use TikTok btw??? You want to build a younger fan base??? Well instead of chicken races..... ngc3
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I enjoy Dave's work
but it is impossible to listen to her
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I enjoy Dave's work
but it is impossible to listen to her
If they balanced Dave with someone a younger crowd would look forward to hearing it would work. Dave is a very non threatening kind of guy, kinda like an Uncle just jabbering away about the races, which is cool. Also, can they find someone with a fucking pulse to do the paddock interviews???
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If they balanced Dave with someone a younger crowd would look forward to hearing it would work. Dave is a very non threatening kind of guy, kinda like an Uncle just jabbering away about the races, which is cool. Also, can they find someone with a fucking pulse to do the paddock interviews???
The guy doing the paddock interviews knows nothing about harness racing and you can see most drivers are laughing at him under their breath because his questions are stupid. John Rallis was good at the job because he understands harness racing and the drivers respected him. Guess he decided to stay at Mohawk full time instead of working for Jeff Gurals' peanuts.
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Now this might sound crazy. But if you are truly trying to attract a younger demographic. First, how many people Jess' age watch the Meadowlands show? Not in the industry either. The idea is to relate and engage a new audience right? Jess is young and she's not stupid. But she is so far from relatable anyone her age first tuning in will tune right back out. The high pitch stuff with scrambled info that anyone outside the industry doesn't understand is useless. Why pitch to the crowd who's already in the game? That's all they're doing, and maybe the older degenerates who watch and wager. But you know who did the job correctly? Spoke in a simplistic and relatable way to newbies? Almost like the Starbucks barista of harness racing? Jenn Bongiorno. And she even did that show from Trotters which had she not had to split the duty with whats his face would have been a helluva content for TikTok. And why doesn't The Meadowlands use TikTok btw??? You want to build a younger fan base??? Well instead of chicken races..... ngc3
So true, Jen knows racandshes beautiful. The family is a mess, however she has it together.
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There is nothing wrong with Dave & Jess. The Meadowlands & the sport lost Brower & Mckee. No one could replace them.
I'll agree the paddock interviewer needs to step it up. He's new so give him a chance to improve.
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They would be better off with zero talking than what they have now. They bitch about money but you have paddock idiot, otten & Little plus gary dileo. 4 salaries of wasted space. I'd can them all....
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There is nothing wrong with Dave & Jess. The Meadowlands & the sport lost Brower & Mckee. No one could replace them.
I'll agree the paddock interviewer needs to step it up. He's new so give him a chance to improve.
There is nothing wrong with teaching people to bet the favorites in every race? How about never singling a horse in any multi race bet, no matter how much you like the horse? Im curious, what do you think right about those strategies?
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There is nothing wrong with teaching people to bet the favorites in every race? How about never singling a horse in any multi race bet, no matter how much you like the horse? Im curious, what do you think right about those strategies?
I'm in favor of reducing horizontal wagering to a bare minimum like it used to be. Get rid of that survivor nonsense for one thing. Give them one pik 4 6th-9th) Get rid of the pik 5, pik 6. One double race 1 & 2. .10 supers on every race. . 50 tri's on every race. The vertical pools will fill up more. How many pik 5's do you hit a year. You might get a couple of pik 4's but not many more. These horizontal plays force you to bet races you may not like is at the root of that.
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I'm in favor of reducing horizontal wagering to a bare minimum like it used to be. Get rid of that survivor nonsense for one thing. Give them one pik 4 6th-9th) Get rid of the pik 5, pik 6. One double race 1 & 2. .10 supers on every race. . 50 tri's on every race. The vertical pools will fill up more. How many pik 5's do you hit a year. You might get a couple of pik 4's but not many more. These horizontal plays force you to bet races you may not like is at the root of that.
I am on the opposite side here--dime supers and 50 cent trifectas are for bingo players who just box any number that may be a part of their life
larger minimums produce larger payouts...so catering to bingo players just reduces the payoffs for those who actually study past performances and make picks based on logic not their license plate or address numbers
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I rarely play Pick 4's or Pick 5's but have no problem with a 50-cent minimum trifecta or 20 cent superfecta because it gives you more coverage. Sure the payoffs aren't as big, but if superfectas are a $1 minimum I won't play them because it gets into too much money. As for bingo, I've never played it and have no interest in learning how to.
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If you put the bankroll part of the discussion out of it, if you bet favorites you want the small minimums. If you are playing non favorites you absolutely want the larger minimum bet tracks
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I am on the opposite side here--dime supers and 50 cent trifectas are for bingo players who just box any number that may be a part of their life
larger minimums produce larger payouts...so catering to bingo players just reduces the payoffs for those who actually study past performances and make picks based on logic not their license plate or address numbers
Totally agree, i hate 10 cent super's and 50 cent trifecta's, It should be dollar minimum for each. I play alot of superfecta keys and because of the dime superfecta the payouts aren't nearly as good. Furthermore, pick 3's and pick 4's should be dollar minimum and pick 5 can be 50 cents, Those bets are harder to hit so you should be rewarded for doing so. Mohawk and other tracks having a 20 cent pick 3 is ridiculous.
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95% of my wagers are pick 4 and pick 5. I hit enough to keep my head above water. In general, I'm not interested in verticals because I'm no good at them. I can pick winners but have no idea who will fill the remaining slots. Week before last at Mohawk I did hit a $206 exacta because I loved Dirty Lil Piglet in the last race (no more horizontals to bet LOL) and used him on top of 5 others. 3 days later hit a $188 P-4 for a $4.80 investment. Different strokes for different folks.
I'm in favor of reducing horizontal wagering to a bare minimum like it used to be. Get rid of that survivor nonsense for one thing. Give them one pik 4 6th-9th) Get rid of the pik 5, pik 6. One double race 1 & 2. .10 supers on every race. . 50 tri's on every race. The vertical pools will fill up more. How many pik 5's do you hit a year. You might get a couple of pik 4's but not many more. These horizontal plays force you to bet races you may not like is at the root of that.
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To me making minimums a $1 on tris pic3's and 4's is just turning away bettors. If you want to bet
it for $1 or more no one is stopping you, though making it a $1 removes it as an option for others.
Looking at these handles all around, I don't see how you turn away anyone wanting to wager.
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Mohawk tonight 6:39 . 'POST TIME' 6:35 and horses just leaving paddock. These guarantees play
into a lot of this crap. Hoosier has guaranteed Hi-5 every night last race. It's quite excessive and
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There is nothing wrong with teaching people to bet the favorites in every race? How about never singling a horse in any multi race bet, no matter how much you like the horse? Im curious, what do you think right about those strategies?
Dave Little has singled big favorites in pick fours & spread in other legs. The strategy worked as he caught a longshot & had few nice payoffs.
There is a crazy thing abut favorites. Many rather cash plenty of tickets & lose a little.
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To me making minimums a $1 on tris pic3's and 4's is just turning away bettors. If you want to bet
it for $1 or more no one is stopping you, though making it a $1 removes it as an option for others.
Looking at these handles all around, I don't see how you turn away anyone wanting to wager.
See to me the higher minimum should not turn away other players, they just can't spread out as much. Yes there are times with a 50 cent pick 4 I'll bump it to a dollar , but with the lower minimums more people spread more which hurts the payouts... but to each his own. tmbz1
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95% of my wagers are pick 4 and pick 5. I hit enough to keep my head above water. In general, I'm not interested in verticals because I'm no good at them. I can pick winners but have no idea who will fill the remaining slots. Week before last at Mohawk I did hit a $206 exacta because I loved Dirty Lil Piglet in the last race (no more horizontals to bet LOL) and used him on top of 5 others. 3 days later hit a $188 P-4 for a $4.80 investment. Different strokes for different folks.
Most of my wagers are pick 4's and 5's as well, not as high as percentage as you Mac, but pretty high and I do fairly well on them. I then use those wagers as a springboard for my verticals.. usually a $1 superfecta key or a $5 trifecta key. I had a pick 5 at Gulfstream last month where I had a $32,000 will pay and just missed by a neck.. I still hit it for $1600 for a 40 dollar bet, but damn that was my most heartbreaking "win" ever, but Im sure we all have stories like that or something similar.
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"They just don't spread out as much." Exactly, they are forced to alter their wager due to the higher
minimum. It is been my experience, you start cutting off horse to lower your wager, those are the
ones that invariably get there.
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I get a kick out of watching Gary and he seems to do a good job getting some kids and non racing people out for photos and up close with the horses. It does look a little silly when pointing the drivers into the winners circle like they wouldn't find it without his guidance. 73cv.2
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"They just don't spread out as much." Exactly, they are forced to alter their wager due to the higher
minimum. It is been my experience, you start cutting off horse to lower your wager, those are the
ones that invariably get there.
Prime example look at the pick 3 will pays at Mohawk race 3 right now.. 3 or 4 bucks on a 20 cent minimum. Bumping that bet to a dollar would still only pay 15 or 20 bucks so it's not worth playing it. So one could argue that a lower minimum could make a lower handle. Just my 2 cents.. or in this case 20 cents lol.
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I sincerely hope the Meadowlands stays afloat.
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Dave is a good guy , loves the sport , give him a break
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I enjoy Dave's work
but it is impossible to listen to her
You mean Dave actually works to find those 3-5 shots?
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You mean Dave actually works to find those 3-5 shots?
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You mean Dave actually works to find those 3-5 shots?
Back in the old days when a horse was 3-5, he was close to a lock. Today those same 3-5 shots go off at 1-9 and not all of them win.
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Back in the old days when a horse was 3-5, he was close to a lock. Today those same 3-5 shots go off at 1-9 and not all of them win.
rebates are the reason for this
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Even with the rebates, you'd be better off if your horse paid $3.20 and not $2.20. Place and show holes on heavy favorites are almost always crushed too. If there's a minus show pool, I doubt they're getting any rebates.
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rebates have slaughtered the regular player--but the overall handle masks this fact--and dumb bettors cannot see this
its been about 25 years now
agree--they are not rebating minus pools
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The guy doing the paddock interviews knows nothing about harness racing and you can see most drivers are laughing at him under their breath because his questions are stupid. John Rallis was good at the job because he understands harness racing and the drivers respected him. Guess he decided to stay at Mohawk full time instead of working for Jeff Gurals' peanuts.
This site is silly.
He's a young kid. We need more young people, who love the sport involved. He did a good job calling some races at Freehold and is now trying a new aspect in the paddock. John Rallis is very good and knowledgeable for sure. I applaud anyone in their 20s and early 30s with passion to be involved with the sport...otherwise it will die.
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I know he's a young kid but you're interviewing the top drivers at the top track so someone more experienced and knowledgeable should be doing the job, because you get nothing out of the interviews, just my opinion.
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I know he's a young kid but you're interviewing the top drivers at the top track so someone more experienced and knowledgeable should be doing the job, because you get nothing out of the interviews, just my opinion.
exactly - get Hollywood Hayden back....
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I think Hollywood works at Hoosier, plus Gural fired him when he worked at Meadowlands, not sure why.
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I think Hollywood works at Hoosier, plus Gural fired him when he worked at Meadowlands, not sure why.
Heydan wouldn't work for minimum wage that's why he left M1
he could remember who was 3rd over in race 5 on a wednesday in January 1979--but said too many dumb things on the air--way over rated and quite full of himself
he does work part time at Hoosier on big night(s)
his interviews were below average also
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Heydan wouldn't work for minimum wage that's why he left M1
he could remember who was 3rd over in race 5 on a wednesday in January 1979--but said too many dumb things on the air--way over rated and quite full of himself
he does work part time at Hoosier on big night(s)
his interviews were below average also
He’s a complete narcissist, always having to show off his 50 year old memorabilia that nobody gives a shit about.
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He’s a complete narcissist, always having to show off his 50 year old memorabilia that nobody gives a shit about.
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I like Bob. He was always friendly when I saw him. His interviews were good...in my opinion. The man is in the HOF& I believe the sport should have a spot for Holly.
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Holly is a historian and knows everybody. My only issue with him is always bringing up things from 40 years ago that most people know nothing about. If you're a newer fan and listen to Bob's interviews you have no idea what he's talking about because he's living in the past. John Rallis is back this weekend to do the paddock interviews.
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Bob is kind of like an acquired taste, LOL.....and not everyone has acquired the taste, LOL.
Yes, he's a historian, statistician, or whatever you want to call it. He can be friendly, witty, and nice, but he can also be opinionated and arrogant, and when you do that with "management" it never plays out well.