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Title: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: The Unstable on May 10, 2025, 07:33:04 PM
Either the timer is off or track is short.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: hoosierboy on May 10, 2025, 08:23:40 PM
They have a new paddock
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: John Moody on May 10, 2025, 08:25:26 PM
The track is short , I know 2 guys that measured it , it's true
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Jctoronto on May 11, 2025, 08:42:14 AM
The track may be SHORTER but I sure wish their prices were LONGER

if you aint in the 'backstretch know' youve got no profit chance
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: rainman2 on May 11, 2025, 11:04:32 AM
The ‘new’ Northfield south???
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Pacer 2 on May 11, 2025, 12:26:37 PM
The track may be SHORTER but I sure wish their prices were LONGER

if you aint in the 'backstretch know' youve got no profit chance

   Most of the "backstretch know" loses their shirts!
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 13, 2025, 07:09:08 PM
$7500 claimer 1:49.4 today 4th. Seems to support the claim. 11YR old new lifetime mark.
Three seconds faster than he was going at Miami.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Hay 4 sail on May 13, 2025, 07:11:07 PM
    That's bullshit 149.4
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: The Unstable on May 13, 2025, 07:55:00 PM
$7500 claimer 1:49.4 today 4th. Seems to support the claim. 11YR old new lifetime mark.
Three seconds faster than he was going at Miami.

They are all fake. The first half’s in particular are dubious, this one was 54.3. They need to measure the track and where the pylons are. 
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on May 13, 2025, 09:12:34 PM
Race 3 tonight - FM NW 1 Trot - winner from the Annette Lorentzon barn.  Mile in 55 with a back half in 56 home in 28.4.  Interesting because 7 days ago at Oak Grove beaten favorite in the same class, timed in 200.1.  Drop 5 seconds in a week going from a 7/8 to a 5/8 track.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: JT on May 13, 2025, 09:13:31 PM
$7500 claimer 1:49.4 today 4th. Seems to support the claim. 11YR old new lifetime mark.
Three seconds faster than he was going at Miami.
Scioto is faster than Miami Valley, but not by that much.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 13, 2025, 09:27:00 PM
Oak Grove is a 5/8 Merlin.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on May 13, 2025, 09:29:22 PM
My mistake - rest of it stands
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: rainman2 on May 13, 2025, 09:31:42 PM
Wind the clock back over the years-which 5/8 track was the fastest?

The Meadows
Pocono
Pompano

If I missed a 5/8 track or 2, please let me know.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 13, 2025, 09:43:11 PM
Scioto, Raceway Park, Hazel, Windsor, Rideau Carlton, Greenwood
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on May 13, 2025, 10:56:17 PM
Harrahs Philly and Dover.

Think Philly, Dover, Pocono and Scioto are the fastest currently.  Raceway and Hazel always felt 2-3 seconds slower than Scioto.  Meadows can be hit or miss but they don’t ever seem to go the fractions of the first 4
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 13, 2025, 10:59:16 PM
Forgot Rosecroft and they have to be in discussion for fastest.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: rainman2 on May 13, 2025, 11:27:13 PM
Scioto, Raceway Park, Hazel, Windsor, Rideau Carlton, Greenwood

Did raceway park ever have fast horses race there?

When the hazel park horses got to pompano, they got at least 1 second faster
FYI, they shipped in in October/November.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Call Sign Merlin on May 14, 2025, 10:05:35 AM
Did raceway park ever have fast horses race there?

When the hazel park horses got to pompano, they got at least 1 second faster
FYI, they shipped in in October/November.

Lots of good Ohio Sire Stakes horses graced the Toledo oval including the immortal Buck I St Pat.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: SIX SHOOTER on May 14, 2025, 10:25:39 AM
149/4  ngc3 ngc3 A 7500 CLAIMER THE SPORT IS A FUCKING JOKE.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Harness racer on May 14, 2025, 10:36:30 AM
Lots of good Ohio Sire Stakes horses graced the Toledo oval including the immortal Buck I St Pat.

Loved watching her race!  tmbz1
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 14, 2025, 12:34:13 PM
Just to test my memory, was it Dan Burks that raced that horse?
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Harness racer on May 14, 2025, 02:11:54 PM
I think it was Ron Burke and I think Timmy drove her most of the time.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 14, 2025, 03:25:34 PM
Thx. That was 2011 .Yes Tetrick. The horse I was thinking about was like 30 yrs ago. The name sounded like that.
Pacer. I guess my memory isn't good enough. ;D
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: JT on May 14, 2025, 03:59:52 PM
Thx. That was 2011 .Yes Tetrick. The horse I was thinking about was like 30 yrs ago. The name sounded like that.
Pacer. I guess my memory isn't good enough. ;D
My guess is you are thinking of KF St. Patrick driven by Russell Swartz.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 14, 2025, 04:08:19 PM
Thx. I was even thinking of KF Pro Sam.. Can't get away from Dan Burns being involved.
Kind of a one hit wonder for him, if indeed his name is right. Thx for trying.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Scooteroo on May 14, 2025, 04:18:49 PM
KF Pro Sam finished 5th in the final of the Little Brown Jug in 2000.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on May 14, 2025, 04:40:38 PM
I think you can't simply compare the times, at least not in absolute terms. Too many other variables. Weather being one. Even in a constant, summer, look at Pompano. They didn't get that track really souped up very often. People weren't looking for TR's, except in the BC, maybe the Matron. Greenwood closed in 1993. Pre-a lot! LOL. Scioto today is much, much faster than it's ever been. Ask someone who has raced over all of them, or at least the ones that are currently racing.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: rainman2 on May 14, 2025, 04:43:59 PM
I think you can't simply compare the times, at least not in absolute terms. Too many other variables. Weather being one. Even in a constant, summer, look at Pompano. They didn't get that track really souped up very often. People weren't looking for TR's, except in the BC, maybe the Matron. Greenwood closed in 1993. Pre-a lot! LOL. Scioto today is much, much faster than it's ever been. Ask someone who has raced over all of them, or at least the ones that are currently racing.

More often than not, there were always fast miles at pompano because of the warm weather. Could have had faster miles if Bruce and Wally weren’t going 28/58 or 27/57 to the quarter and half every race!
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: JT on May 14, 2025, 06:49:01 PM
I know they redid the track at Scioto a couple years ago, but the times there this year do seem a little to fast. It's definitely  one of the fastest 5/8 in the country at the proper distance, with the fastest being Pocono. On US trotting looking at the fastest 5/8 track records, the majority are at Pocono, although that track seemed faster when they raced at night. Now I think it's just one night a week there.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: rainman2 on May 15, 2025, 12:51:49 AM
Forgot Rosecroft and they have to be in discussion for fastest.

FYI, from what the locals say at Rosecroft, it's the configuration of the track that leads to super-fast opening quarters and fast miles!
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: Dingus on May 15, 2025, 04:59:05 PM
Wacko times this week for 15-20 claimers:
Pocono Tuesday- 2 divisions go in 153:1
Meadows today goes in 153:0

Oh, I left out that these were trotters.
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: The Unstable on May 15, 2025, 06:53:53 PM
The fake times roll on.
Race 1 Scioto Seaside Escape in NW6 CDCL 49.2 and 52.4 to the half.  The first half’s are beyond fake. 
Title: Re: The times are fake at Scioto
Post by: PineHurstPacer on May 16, 2025, 08:37:07 PM
the 7 ran off the screen in the 9th race tonight.....feet never hit the ground

good thing H Taylor's horses aren't full of EPO any more
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