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Title: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 28, 2025, 05:11:51 PM
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Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: thesilentone on April 28, 2025, 06:07:08 PM
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wish i was smart enough to post the video here 🤣
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: thesilentone on April 28, 2025, 06:12:31 PM
(http://file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/ab/11/EF4E0748-C884-4203-9476-80A18D4BB5F9/50EF5EAD-BBD2-4F30-AFD3-56F8DE13F798.MOV)
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Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 28, 2025, 09:15:52 PM
wish i was smart enough to post the video here 🤣

Which race and is there video that shows it, I know how to snag it.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 28, 2025, 09:22:49 PM
Only race I saw them in together was race 7
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 28, 2025, 09:24:59 PM
Only race I saw them in together was race 7

The replays on YouTube don't show after the wire. Only other race they were in together was on Saturday. Bradens horse almost went on his head in that 7th race, maybe that's what set the other clown off.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 12:14:31 AM
Which race and is there video that shows it, I know how to snag it.

I have the actual video  11.wp ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 12:15:29 AM
I’d post the video to this thread if I could figure out how to post it from an iphone
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Hay 4 sail on April 29, 2025, 04:43:40 AM
   Cole Olsen should be charged with assault
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 29, 2025, 06:36:35 AM
   Cole Olsen should be charged with assault

Agree…and a lengthy suspension!
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Yonkers1A on April 29, 2025, 07:31:00 AM
Need video, can anyone post ?
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 07:57:28 AM
Audio only so far...this is from on the ground after the race.  tmbz1
https://youtu.be/C9CUfFI1ono
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 08:17:31 AM

  Boys will be boys
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 08:18:55 AM

  Probably was the most exciting thing of the night

  More exciting than. 13 races there
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 08:36:58 AM
Word is they both got 60 days.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 29, 2025, 08:55:23 AM
Corey Braden's always been a stupid jerk.   ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: old guy on April 29, 2025, 09:09:14 AM
Absolutely
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 10:46:01 AM
   Cole Olsen should be charged with assault

Corey Braden put his hands on Cole Olsen first. He initiated the physical assault etc.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 10:47:03 AM
Corey Braden's always been a stupid jerk.   ngc3

Corey Braden has always been a jerk off … drives like a cunt etc.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: old guy on April 29, 2025, 11:04:33 AM
Corey Braden has always been a jerk off … drives like a cunt etc.

Agree. Braden has always been an ass.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: HarnessFan1981 on April 29, 2025, 11:16:02 AM
04/27/2025    Y   04/28/2025   IR   Fighting

Additional Details:
Driver Cole Olsen engaged in a physical altercation with another driver coming off the Shenandoah Downs racetrack after the conclusion of the 7th race on April 27th, 2025. His actions are detrimental to the best interests of harness racing. As a result, Olsen is issued a 60-day full suspension from April 28th, 2025 through June 26th, 2025. During this suspension, he and all horses trained and/or owned by him are barred from the grounds under the jurisdiction of the Virginia Racing Commission. Aggravating factors were considered in the determination of this penalty. 11VAC10-60-10.Y.   
Full suspension - 60 days:
04/28/2025 - 06/26/2025

04/27/2025    Y   04/28/2025   IR   Fighting

Additional Details:
Driver Corey Braden engaged in a physical altercation with another driver coming off the Shenandoah Downs racetrack after the conclusion of the 7th race on April 27th, 2025. His actions are detrimental to the best interests of harness racing. As a result, Braden is issued a 60-day full suspension from April 28th, 2025 through June 26th, 2025. During this suspension, he and all horses trained and/or owned by him are barred from the grounds under the jurisdiction of the Virginia Racing Commission. Aggravating factors were considered in the determination of this penalty. 11VAC10-60-10.Y.   
Full suspension - 60 days:
04/28/2025 - 06/26/2025
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Kirbys Ace on April 29, 2025, 12:01:55 PM
Now that was fasstttt!.

Now let's see something about the Wagner transfer!
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: old guy on April 29, 2025, 12:18:42 PM
Now that was fasstttt!.

Now let's see something about the Wagner transfer!

You mean the ones Braden trains for Wagner lol?
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Brown jug on April 29, 2025, 12:47:48 PM
cmon
we MUST see the video
 hillbilly wrasslin
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 29, 2025, 12:52:01 PM
Corey Braden has always been a jerk off … drives like a cunt etc.
    tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 01:22:08 PM
Full Video:
https://youtube.com/shorts/JzTkwzUMNfE?feature=share
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Riding the rail on April 29, 2025, 01:41:58 PM
Corey Braden is a mean self centered scumbag he threatened me once a long time ago I walked away . He gets what he deserves it took the right person and commissioners to stop him ! It’s about time
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 01:43:35 PM
Corey Braden is a mean self centered scumbag he threatened me once a long time ago I walked away . He gets what he deserves it took the right person and commissioners to stop him ! It’s about time

Know how easily Russell Williams tosses around Section 1 Article 4 "detrimental to harness racing"? This could have gone all kinds of ways VERY bad. This is pure assault.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 01:54:12 PM

  Who’s the big girl that broke it up??
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: makesbreaks on April 29, 2025, 02:08:38 PM
Corey's girlfriend Stacey mclenaghan
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: xfl33 on April 29, 2025, 02:40:58 PM
I don’t see anything that happened in the replay. Horse broke stride and Olsen was able to get out of way?
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 02:42:03 PM
Better Version:
https://youtube.com/shorts/YN8n5pOwtBA?si=e1_4UKihb48tzz8D
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: IkeSilver on April 29, 2025, 02:49:33 PM
For those who are bashing Corey B., let's  be fair, if you haven't watched the video from start to finish, shut the hell up til you have. The pig farmer's son, Cole Olson, started the assault with a Zorro swipe twice to the face. A push does not qualify as an assault but the Zorro shit does. Where I come from Cole better have many eyes behind his head and be very leary if a wood chipper pulls up at the pig farm unannounced.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Dingus on April 29, 2025, 03:07:33 PM
For those who are bashing Corey B., let's  be fair, if you haven't watched the video from start to finish, shut the hell up til you have. The pig farmer's son, Cole Olson, started the assault with a Zorro swipe twice to the face. A push does not qualify as an assault but the Zorro shit does. Where I come from Cole better have many eyes behind his head and be very leary if a wood chipper pulls up at the pig farm unannounced.

Cole must be still pissed off that his Dad got caught twice with Dex overages on Black Hope.  2- 1st place purse monies rescinded, although 1 is on appeal, and a 38k ongait sale negated.  Horse still hasn’t raced in a month since then.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 03:27:23 PM
For those who are bashing Corey B., let's  be fair, if you haven't watched the video from start to finish, shut the hell up til you have. The pig farmer's son, Cole Olson, started the assault with a Zorro swipe twice to the face. A push does not qualify as an assault but the Zorro shit does. Where I come from Cole better have many eyes behind his head and be very leary if a wood chipper pulls up at the pig farm unannounced.

Corey Iniated the physical contact , pretty evident by the video…  ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 03:28:36 PM
Corey Braden is a mean self centered scumbag he threatened me once a long time ago I walked away . He gets what he deserves it took the right person and commissioners to stop him ! It’s about time

Corey has always been a scumbag. Like I stated previously drives like an absolute cunt.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 03:32:57 PM
Corey's girlfriend Stacey mclenaghan

  Good thing she was there to save her boyfriend because it didn’t look like anyone else was going to
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 29, 2025, 04:49:27 PM
  Who’s the big girl that broke it up??

That was a girl? 
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 05:08:33 PM

 She was the toughest one there
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 29, 2025, 05:08:51 PM
  Good thing she was there to save her boyfriend because it didn’t look like anyone else was going to
 
    Looks like Corey was getting beaten up by a smaller guy!
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 29, 2025, 05:11:41 PM

  I like the 250 pound black guy with Mr T chain

    he looked like a bouncer
   But it took the wife to save the day  73cv.2
       
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 05:13:39 PM
  I like the 250 pound black guy with Mr T chain

    he looked like a bouncer
   But it took the wife to save the day  73cv.2
     

When he went for the throat I thought for sure it was gonna be an Undertaker Last Ride. Reversed.  ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 29, 2025, 05:14:21 PM
She was the toughest one there

Definitely the manliest one of the three. 
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 29, 2025, 05:18:12 PM
When he went for the throat I thought for sure it was gonna be an Undertaker Last Ride. Reversed.  ngc3

It was very undertaker-like.  Definitely can’t finish like the undertaker.  The real undertaker wouldn’t get bested by a guy smaller than Ray mysterio!  ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: IkeSilver on April 29, 2025, 05:23:45 PM
They should lock Cole, Pig Farmer, Corey and Stacey in the same room for 5 minutes. Bet money Stacey comes out without a scratch.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 05:30:12 PM
It was very undertaker-like.  Definitely can’t finish like the undertaker.  The real undertaker wouldn’t get bested by a guy smaller than Ray mysterio!  ngc3

IMO the penalties are wrong. Corey should have been 5 for fighting. Cole double minor for roughing and instigating, 5 for fighting and game misconduct. Not to mention the missing assault charge. I don't think the old dude wanted to fight, but he had no choice.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Riding the rail on April 29, 2025, 07:49:27 PM
Are you a judge to decide who gets what toss the asshole out !!! The hell with Corey
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 29, 2025, 08:04:19 PM
Are you a judge to decide who gets what toss the asshole out !!! The hell with Corey

Whipping someone across the face is fucking stupid. Walk up to him and clock him if you have an issue. That's the kind of shit that lands you in jail or worse.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Hambletonian46 on April 29, 2025, 08:21:55 PM
This is one of those incidents where everyone comes out looking like a cunt except the chick lol.

Big guiy attacking the little guy then getting his ass kicked is a bad look he will never live it down and his lady had to rescue him lol. They should check him to see if his testicles re-ascended and his voice went up an octave afterward.

And nothing says I am a touigh guy like whipping a dude across the face a couple of times, but he didn't start it and the big dude went for the neck next so who knows what he should have done. But props to the little fella for getting the two points for the takedown and at least having the restraint not to pop the other guys chick in the mouth when she got involved.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Birdfantammy on April 29, 2025, 08:29:14 PM
Better Version:
https://youtube.com/shorts/YN8n5pOwtBA?si=e1_4UKihb48tzz8D

 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Late to the Paddock on April 29, 2025, 08:40:31 PM
I love how some guy walks in front of the camera and doesn't even bat an eyelash at the fracas taking place.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 29, 2025, 10:38:07 PM
Cole whipped in self defense when Braden came after him.    Cole looked like Zorro!
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Onthefront11 on April 29, 2025, 10:44:53 PM
He hit that old man with a whip, used a weapon like a coward,  old man had no idea how to fight. 
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 11:00:36 PM
Maybe Cole Tattooed Corey  11.wp Nice Reminder to keep your hands to yourself  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Onthefront11 on April 29, 2025, 11:03:47 PM
What exactly happened before the camera started rolling?  Everyone knows Cole's a punk kid and anyone he rolls with is the same.  Where I come from you don't strike old men with whips, then again not much of a man there.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 11:33:26 PM
What exactly happened before the camera started rolling?  Everyone knows Cole's a punk kid and anyone he rolls with is the same.  Where I come from you don't strike old men with whips, then again not much of a man there.

Where I come from you don’t put your hands on someone unless you’re ready for a fight which clearly Corey was not 🤣🤣. Cole should’ve striped a few more times.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 29, 2025, 11:36:24 PM
What exactly happened before the camera started rolling?  Everyone knows Cole's a punk kid and anyone he rolls with is the same.  Where I come from you don't strike old men with whips, then again not much of a man there.


Corey scattered the field and didn’t say a single word when his horse made a break. When Olsen said something to him about yelling next time his horse makes a break , Corey started up like the cunt he is.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Jctoronto on April 30, 2025, 04:58:02 AM
Yah, i didnt see race, but the USTA results chart showed Braden's horse break and a couple, including Olsen's being interefered with (the letter 'i') compromising all chance.

But yes, isnt a driver supposed to yell when they break?  Orbis that old wives tale.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: kantseeback on April 30, 2025, 05:55:47 AM
A helmet is an excellent weapon. If I was the guy getting whipped in the face I would have taken off my helmet and did some damage on the whipper.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: railbird steve on April 30, 2025, 09:16:09 AM
that was cool any more clips of drivers fighting?
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 30, 2025, 09:19:54 AM
A helmet is an excellent weapon. If I was the guy getting whipped in the face I would have taken off my helmet and did some damage on the whipper.

 Great idea but he didn’t have to he just had to call his wife
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 30, 2025, 09:28:39 AM


  Wonder if when Corey Brandon heres a a whip noise if he flinchs now
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 30, 2025, 09:48:58 AM
Braden sets a great example for his kids.....     ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 30, 2025, 11:12:36 AM
Braden sets a great example for his kids.....     ngc3 ngc3


 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Riding the rail on April 30, 2025, 01:10:46 PM
He’s a loser idiot with  tmbz1 tmbz1a bad awful attitude  tmbz1
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 30, 2025, 01:23:33 PM
He's a great guy. He's a scumbag. Right. Wrong. Up. Down. 5 pages of BS, LOL.

I love the way people say he should have done this, he should have done that. It's a fight, not a debate with Robert's Rules.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Mr.Turnpike on April 30, 2025, 01:26:08 PM


 Really wasn’t much of a fight
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on April 30, 2025, 01:38:28 PM
The hottie in the brown shorts and the dude strutting around  in the black and white costume were the most entertaining of the whole thing
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 30, 2025, 02:25:59 PM
Clearly, Braden desperately needs anger management classes.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Onthefront11 on April 30, 2025, 03:27:38 PM
I think the woman would've tore Cole apart, she obviously wears the pants
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Scooteroo on April 30, 2025, 03:29:12 PM
Clearly, Braden desperately needs anger management classes.

If someone hit you in the face with the whip you'd be pissed off too.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 30, 2025, 04:02:06 PM
If someone hit you in the face with the whip you'd be pissed off too.


Corey Braden decided to put his hands on Cole Olsen , did he think nothing was going to happen  ngc3 ngc3 11.wp 11.wp
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Tree Trunk on April 30, 2025, 04:10:18 PM
Corey Braden put his hands NOT ONCE but MULTIPLE times before Cole Olsen ever touched him. FACT. Cole Olsen continued to walk away from him after he put his hands on him the FIRST time , ALSO FACT.

Recap: Corey Braden’s horse made a break , he never even tried to pull the right or left line to get out of the way AND never yelled or made any noise.

Cole Olsen said to him “ Yell next time and get out of the way !!! “

Corey didn’t like that  ngc3

THEN Corey started running his mouth  73cv.2

Cole Olsen then said ,  They should fucking breathalyze him ( Corey ).

That’s when Corey lost it and put his hands on Cole.

Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 30, 2025, 05:09:07 PM
If someone hit you in the face with the whip you'd be pissed off too.
    Not sure you understand. Read the posts. Braden started it and came after Cole. The whip was in self defense against a much bigger guy charging him.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Pacer 2 on April 30, 2025, 05:10:12 PM
Corey Braden put his hands NOT ONCE but MULTIPLE times before Cole Olsen ever touched him. FACT. Cole Olsen continued to walk away from him after he put his hands on him the FIRST time , ALSO FACT.

Recap: Corey Braden’s horse made a break , he never even tried to pull the right or left line to get out of the way AND never yelled or made any noise.

Cole Olsen said to him “ Yell next time and get out of the way !!! “

Corey didn’t like that  ngc3

THEN Corey started running his mouth  73cv.2

Cole Olsen then said ,  They should fucking breathalyze him ( Corey ).

That’s when Corey lost it and put his hands on Cole.
 
 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Harness racer on April 30, 2025, 06:14:20 PM
Corey Braden put his hands NOT ONCE but MULTIPLE times before Cole Olsen ever touched him. FACT. Cole Olsen continued to walk away from him after he put his hands on him the FIRST time , ALSO FACT.

Recap: Corey Braden’s horse made a break , he never even tried to pull the right or left line to get out of the way AND never yelled or made any noise.

Cole Olsen said to him “ Yell next time and get out of the way !!! “

Corey didn’t like that  ngc3

THEN Corey started running his mouth  73cv.2

Cole Olsen then said ,  They should fucking breathalyze him ( Corey ).

That’s when Corey lost it and put his hands on Cole.

That was some hillbilly shit.  And don’t say Corey doesn’t have any balls!  That’s not nice.  He has balls!  They are in his lady’s purse if he needs them!   ngc3   ngc3   ngc3
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: bello on April 30, 2025, 07:02:25 PM
Corey off all mounts tonight at rCR
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Scooteroo on April 30, 2025, 07:03:32 PM
Probably suffering from whiplash.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: titans1127 on April 30, 2025, 07:07:23 PM
Corey off all mounts tonight at rCR
Suspension started on Monday
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: bello on April 30, 2025, 07:20:10 PM
Bad timing for CB with MDSS starting tonight. Losing all Wagner beard mounts
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: All trot on April 30, 2025, 09:13:14 PM
Corey gets 60 days looses all his sire stake drivers and his best friend Wagner screwing his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: Birdfantammy on April 30, 2025, 09:25:58 PM
Does Stacey Mclenaghan have Wagner horses? 

Braden really screwed himself.  60 days is gonna hurt.  Cole Olsen sucks and doesn't get much to drive at Rosecroft anyways.  He drives more at Shenandoah.  two idiots.   I'm sure some other drivers are quite happy picking up Braden's drives...lots of them
Title: Re: Cole Olsen Vs Corey Braden
Post by: bello on April 30, 2025, 09:50:48 PM
I dont know either of these guys. I imagine something happened on the track. To tell you the truth, I dont mind these skirmishes. Shows the drivers have a competetive spirit. I was alwayes fighting when I played ball, even into my 50s. And there was no money involved.

Jockeys fight more often than you think.
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