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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PineHurstPacer on February 24, 2025, 10:36:24 AM
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https://x.com/EldoradoScioto/status/1893840994660921766
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Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise, I will be there. tmbz1
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so they have just under two years to convert it to a mile track
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Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise, I will be there. tmbz1
You and me both bitter.. it's about a 45 minute drive from my house in Delaware.
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so they have just under two years to convert it to a mile track
I seriously doubt that will happen
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Are they changing race dates at Scioto? Or are they going to try to squeeze the BC In the middle of the busiest part of stake season?
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What they'll probably do is just run that weekend.
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It makes no sense unless you do a deeper dive. I've read on Facebook that the host track loses anywhere from 500K to a million dollars. All the races the H. Society own drain the host tracks. Imagine hosting the Breeders Cup & losing money? The Hambletonian Society contributes little to nothing for the sport. It has become part of the welfare chain. The suck the life out of the hosts to pay their salaries.
John Campbell does what on a day to day basis...anyone? He has the authority to change anything? Nope....
Whoever is willing to pay the Hambletonian Societies fees get the Breeders Crown. It doesn't matter if they have a handle, are equipped for it, or have proper testing. It's a cash grab for the H. Society & nothing more.
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Are they changing race dates at Scioto? Or are they going to try to squeeze the BC In the middle of the busiest part of stake season?
Usually their meet ends the Saturday before jug week. Then after jug week Dayton starts their meet. I'm guessing they will just have dates for 2 breeders crown weekends elims and finals tin October or November
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I don't think it will happen, money looser for the host track. They've had the BC on smaller tracks Mohawk 5/8, Meadows, Pocono Pompano etc. even Batavia.
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Why convert to a mile track?
Everyone says it's a money loser for the host track. If it truly is----then why do tracks line up and compete to host the BC? I think it's BS, or at least posturing. It may be a loss leader, but one would think there is a profitable element, cash cow, etc. OTOH, I've long said the people who run racetracks don't know anything about the business of running a racetrack. The host track does give up specific revenue(s) streams, but I am not so sure that makes it a money loser. Personally, I am glad to see Scioto get it. I think the BC should focus on tracks that are going to actually survive under what the business model of the future will be for tracks.
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why convert to a mile track?
because that is where all the best and most fair racing is done for both gamblers and owners
you want to have a decent horse in the crown and draw post eight , good luck, you might qualify for the final and draw out there again because you had no shot to win the elim and get to pick a post
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it would be costly to convert any current 5/8th to a two turn mile
I do not see any entity investing in harness racing in the near future
Harrah's went cheap and had the chance when they built the track in Chester, PA back in 06-07
Tioga could have been converted also when it was constructed
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it would be costly to convert any current 5/8th to a two turn mile
I do not see any entity investing in harness racing in the near future
Harrah's went cheap and had the chance when they built the track in Chester, PA back in 06-07
Tioga could have been converted also when it was constructed
Even if they wanted to, Chester really doesn't have the room for a 1-mile track. In fact, the race starts on the backstretch on a bridge with water underneath. A track and casino never should have been built in such a poor neighborhood with alot of crime.
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Scioto has a very nice and probably the fastest 5/8 track in the country. Additionally they recently demolished the old Grandstand and built a new one that's very nice. Why screw up a good thing? I'm glad they get a shot at it, not only because it's close to my house, but the BC is always on a mile or 7/8.. it's good to change things up
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why convert to a mile track?
because that is where all the best and most fair racing is done for both gamblers and owners
you want to have a decent horse in the crown and draw post eight , good luck, you might qualify for the final and draw out there again because you had no shot to win the elim and get to pick a post
If those are the reasons, then they ain't gonna do it. Listen, I could make an argument that it would be a great investment for the BC, AND FOR THE FUTURE. But that doesn't mean it's a good argument, LOL. Small sampling, laws of large #'s, and all----for the BC, which by default will have competitive fields, nobody is passing on the race because of the fear of the 8 hole. Overnight racing, sure, I would suspect 4 and 5 would have almost double the win % than 8, but we are not talking overnight racing here. Apples and bowling balls. Regardless, even if a case could be made for it, I don't see it happening. I'd be shocked.
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Actually Scioto goes out to the 9 hole and 10 is the trailer.
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Actually Scioto goes out to the 9 hole and 10 is the trailer.
Yep, they do. I only mentioned 8 because that's the post position/reference mentioned and I was replying to that. If I had to guess, I would say the 9 might be closer to a third of the 4 and 5 slots. Just a guess based upon my watching Scioto and about 40 plus years of this sport and industry. LOL.
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Yep, they do. I only mentioned 8 because that's the post position/reference mentioned and I was replying to that. If I had to guess, I would say the 9 might be closer to a third of the 4 and 5 slots. Just a guess based upon my watching Scioto and about 40 plus years of this sport and industry. LOL.
8 and 9 are pretty rough.. but if you've got a great horse the post can be overcome.. There are bad posts on a 7/8 and mile tracks to. I know not as big as disadvantage.
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Gallo Blue Chip set a then track record 1:50 in 2000 from the nine hole in Jug Preview.
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valid points
guess they should have just built a bigger track to begin with
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Yep, they do. I only mentioned 8 because that's the post position/reference mentioned and I was replying to that. If I had to guess, I would say the 9 might be closer to a third of the 4 and 5 slots. Just a guess based upon my watching Scioto and about 40 plus years of this sport and industry. LOL.
If you want to be called the best you gotta win on any size track from any spot. Ray S. Said it best with Dewey from the 10 Mohawk. It is only a starting point
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Breeders crown should be on a 7/8 or 1 mile track only. Cal Ex would be better site than Scioto.
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Cal Ex ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Breeders crown should be on a 7/8 or 1 mile track only.
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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WHO GETS AFFECTED THE MOST WHEN A TRACK HLDS THE BREEDERS CROWN.
ARE THE HORSEMEN FROM THAT PARTICULARF TRACK
ASK HOOSIER HORSES GUYS HOW MUCH THE TRACK TOOK FORM THEIR PURSE ACCOUNTS..
ITS NOT A WELCOME ,,ITS A LOSS FOR THE HORSEMEN
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WHO GETS AFFECTED THE MOST WHEN A TRACK HLDS THE BREEDERS CROWN.
ARE THE HORSEMEN FROM THAT PARTICULARF TRACK
ASK HOOSIER HORSES GUYS HOW MUCH THE TRACK TOOK FORM THEIR PURSE ACCOUNTS..
ITS NOT A WELCOME ,,ITS A LOSS FOR THE HORSEMEN
It’s a great opportunity for Ohio to showcase the Breeders Crown. The overnight purse account will be fine. They will be able to offset some of the cost with sponsorships and support for the Ohio Horsemen’s Association. I believe this will be an overwhelming success.
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Wow! A breath of positivity and vision. Something new in harness racing.
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Expect an even lower handle.
Ly was $300,000 PER RACE. Pitiful.
Breeders Cup was 15 MILLION per race---50x more.
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as we all know something is wrong with the system and rotten in denmark
if you signature event loses money that's an issue... you think anyone loses money on the super bowl !!!
agree that Hambletonian society needs to do better
it should be a boon to the host rack not a money loser
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Do I remember a track years ago that ran a straight one-mile race?
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Do I remember a track years ago that ran a straight one-mile race?
Racing on the ice on Lake Geneva WI. a hundred years ago or so.
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Do I remember a track years ago that ran a straight one-mile race?
The closest thing I can remember to this was when they had BC at Colonial. I think it was 2 yr old pacers. They went some crazy miles on that 1 turn track
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It 'WAS' Colonial in Virginia..One turn mile. Muscles Yankee won his Breeder's Crown there. tmbz1
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I am somewhat surprised harness racing wasn't continued at Colonial
considering how concerned most owners/breeders are about the clock.... obsessed with staring at final times and final quarters, one would think the harness breeders/owners would have pursued racing there every year